Did the CIA deliberatly give Bushco fools gold?

[Homer12]

Think about it:

To the neo-conservatives the best and most terrifying evidence, say thier ace in teh hole, to attack Iraq was if they were trying to obtain one of the most terrifying and destructive weapons on the planet. One that human beings have seen used. Talk about terror and public manipulation.


By letting this false information get into the SOTU address, the neo-conservatives took the bate. While the CIA can say that they objected to them using it while still letting them using is in the speach (makes perfect sense).

The media loves scandals and now they are runnig with it out of the barn.

Bush and his neo-conservatives have been caught deliberatly using false information none-the-less cleared by CIA or not (they have to take accountability in the end) to adavance their forgein policy agenda. Or their just incompatent? Either way it goes, it's hard to spin this.

[Jack The Tab]

1. The Neocons never needed, nor wanted for themselves..

any sort of "proof" or justification to invade Iraq. That was their plan from the beginning.

The CIA stuff was just to try to sell this to the American public.

[Homer12]

2. Well said

Of course it was all planned.

But, it just appears that with such bad information; Why? Why, would the neo-cons even consider using it for manipulation purposes?

Do you think that their view of reality, and their twisting of it, is so habitul that they can get away with anything?

No, all the neo-cons wanted to see was what they wanted too, hopefully they are going to pay the price for manipulation, betrayel, and lying, and the deaths of thousands on their heads.

[seemslikeadream]

3. I just posted close to the very same thing

on another thread, in not so many words. Tenent may have set bush up. He knew bush was fully aware of "planes as weapons" before 911 and went on vaction, doing nothing to stop it. How could Tenet bring this out unless a scandal about something else broke the dam. Now everyone's talking!

[ElementaryPenguin]

4. Excellent points!

eom

[seemslikeadream]

5. I just read Will thread!

and I see alot of people are coming to the same thought at the very same time. Hmmmmmmmmm Interesting

[Ignoramus]

6. Paranoid fantasy

The result of all this fiasco is a test on what type of propaganda is effective. One of my fantasies has been that there is a test going on to see how far they can go toward dictating what people should think.

To the people who are on to them, it is tremendously discouraging to see that, even though it's plain as day that they are fooling everyone, no one cares. If they can be sure that all they have to do is say things are true and everyone will believe it, then they can be more assured that they can be more brazen and aggressive in implementing their plans.

In other words, they are attempting to program people for doublethink. Even if that's not truely something being done intentionally, it's certainly effectively true.

[walkon]

7. I don't think so.

At this point I would not believe any statement that comes from the WH about what the CIA did or did not say or do. Tenet was stressed about not being heard before 9-11 and I believe he and his agency tried double hard to give the WH/Pentagon the real deal prior to Iraq and got pushed aside again. Same happened in Great Britain to intelligence services.

Neocons believe they can bully and intimidate or ignore any one or any thing with little consequence to them. The tell tale heart in all of this is that they lie to effect their policies so they must know they can get no legitimate support for them. Therefore they are fully aware of how illegitimate their "cause" is.

The arrogance and persistance that served them so well to get power will also be the key to their destruction. They lack flexibility and creativity and while they have resources to ward off damage, as well as inflict damage, they are not adept at repairing damage - and damage is on the way!

[Jackpine Radical]

8. I'm not sure that they see their cause as illegitimate--

just unpopular because the masses lack the U"bermensch strength of mind to 1) see the necessity for brutality and 2) the superior will to carry out the brutal actions. Remember, conventional morality is a form of weak-mindedness useful for keeping the sheep in line, but a defect in the ruling class.

[fshrink]

9. Is the Commander In Chief a sucker?

nt

[karlschneider]

10. Well, he's cock-sure about everything...

:evilgrin: