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FloridaPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 09:24 PM
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Mike Ruppert's new book - Crossing the Rubicon - absolutely great.
I strongly suggest everyone get a copy. It blames our government for 9-11. It's a grand plan to keep the civilians quiet while our government runs off and grabs all the oil companies. Also says illegal drugs are a big prop for the economy and the CIA budget. We're in big trouble with this Peak Oil business. Food is fertilized with oil products. People are starting to starve now. It will get a lot worse over the next few decades. And to think, the US government just revived the flu of 1918 that killed 40 million people world wide. Easy way to stop the starving masses.

Anyone scared yet?
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Jokinomx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 09:30 PM
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1. I am expecting a copy any day now.
I have followed Mike Ruppert for a couple of years now. He doesn't get everything right...but, does document his stories very well.

Thanks for the preview...

:kick:
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LizW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 09:57 PM
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2. Is the book in stores or do you have to order it online? (n/t)
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 10:25 PM
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3. Did it mention Mike Vreeland?
real curious about that.
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FloridaPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 11:16 PM
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4. Yes he did. I just finished part 1. Pretty much the same stuff you
knew before. There is a part two later in the book.
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slaveplanet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 12:33 AM
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5. That wouldn't be
the same Ruppert....

Ruppert receives funding from an international group run by people who major newspapers and U.S. attorneys call “financial criminals, crooks and swindlers.”

http://www.madcowprod.com/mc6612004.html


His peak oil BS might work better on all the fools if he were'nt tied to such smarmy characters...
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 12:51 AM
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6. Interesting, isn't it?
Interesting that just as Ruppert names the vice president of the United States as the prime suspect in the mass murder of 3,000 citizens, the credibility of his character is tainted by association with a few truly smarmy characters. I mean, isn't it interesting that we find out about this just now -- and isn't it interesting that no one looking to besmirch his character is actually addressing his considerably well documented alagations?

Given what he is revealing about the inner workings of the National Security State, DO YOU THINK I AM SO NAIVE AS TO FALL EASILY FOR A SET-UP CHARACTER ASSASINATION? OH, and I am quite sure that if this does not stick--and I'm fairly certain it won't--then the next step will be to leave the word "character" out it.

Smarmy, indeed.
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slaveplanet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 01:07 AM
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7. stick or not
...no matter how you try to spin it...

First blood was drawn on Hopsicker ...not the other way around ...as you are alluding...

I suppose you believe oil comes from dead dinosaurs and diamonds are precious and rare as well...
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 01:18 AM
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8. Make your case.
I am unaware of Ruppert having drawn "first blood" on Hopsicker -- and about that I would be most interested.

Diamonds I have no use for and I doubt much oil comes from "dead dinosaurs." But if you are alluding to abiotic hydrocarbons, then you have to give us two things: 1) some substantial evidence that it exists in ready abundance and 2) a paradigmatic explanation for the goings on since 9/11 that do not include "peak oil" as a motive for mass murder and war crimes.
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Jokinomx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 11:53 AM
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9. I support beam_ me_ up on this one....
I haven't received my book yet...but I would trust Mike Ruppert over a very long list of others that have spoken on these topics.


:kick:

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crissy71 Donating Member (311 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 12:01 PM
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10. i think slaveplanet and others
like him/her get paid to spread bullshit and innuendo on this and other sites - Sure sure, Oswald acted alone....
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NecessaryOnslaught Donating Member (691 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 01:25 PM
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13. Can't speak for slaveplanet
but there are, without question, agent provocateurs abound- especially in the 9/11 forum. You have people with thousands of posts, everyone one of which is dedicated to disrupting discussion of the events of 9/11. Pay them no mind, they are just doing their jobs.
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 12:06 PM
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11. i heard him speak once in NYC
after the speech I was SO depressed about the future, I almost jumped under a bus...

not sure I'll read that one right now.
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Petrodollar Warfare Donating Member (628 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 12:40 PM
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12. Passage from Ruppert's new book
Edited on Fri Oct-08-04 12:45 PM by GoreN4
Here's a passage from Ruppert's new book (pgs. 572-573):

The Why and the how

"It is my belief that sometime during the period of 1998 and early 2000, as certain elites became aware of the pending calamity of Peak Oil, they looked at the first highly confidential exploration and drilling results form the Caspian Basin and shuddered....The data could not be kept secret forever The data would surely come out, and what would happen to the markets then?..."

"...The CIA is Wall Street. Even of the oil had been there, it could not be monetized, because there was no safe route or pipeline to get it out. Alarms starting going-off"..."Dick Cheney and the neo-cons stepped up with a plan. That was probably more than Al Gore and the neo-liberals had to offer in light of the emergency now building. Any plan was better than no plan..."

"...Obviously, the first objective for Dick Cheney and the neo-cons had been to secure control of the White House in the 2000 election so that the rest of the plan could be implemented if necessary..."

"From their perspective, the Republican neo-cons were faced with a choice of massive panic and collapse of the financial markets; a loss of public faith in the political system; and the loss of most of their power and wealth if the truth were known. To borrow a metaphor from Professor Peter Dale Scott, both the neo-libs and neo-cons were players at a very lucrative crap game. Through they often played viciously against each other, their prime objective was to keep playing the game at all costs. Whenever the game was threatened - as is the case with 9/11 - they quickly closed ranks to protect it while the turf over which they continued to fight among themselves grew smaller and smaller and the contests more heated and bloody."

"Within their own mindset and within the parameters of an economic and governmental system that functioned (and it continues to function) in the mode of organized crime - incapable of transparency, riddled with corruption and cooked books, based upon the destruction of life for the sake of net profits and supremacy - these men, led by Dick Cheney, chose what they thought was their only logical option. I believe it seemed to them the "right" thing to do; after all, it was only a few thousand lives. Other rulers have made similar choices in the past. But as all empires learn, once the river is crossed there is no turning back..."

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(Hence the title - Crossing the Rubicon)

Bottom Line: Millions of years ago Mother Earth endowed certain geographical areas under the Earth's crust with disparate levels of hydrocarbon molecules, and for the past 80+ years men have engaged in tremendous amounts of slaughter and political oppression to gain control over of this black gold - or hold onto the wealth of this black gold through various unsavory means (now including petrodollar warfare).

As we all know, the latest chapter in this contest has involved the tragic death of over 1000 U.S. soldiers, 16,000 wounded, and probably 55,000 dead and/or wounded Iraqis, most of whom were regular civilians. Ruppert argues with considerable research that approx. 3000 civilians were essentially "sacrificed" on 9/11 so the Bush/Cheney junta and their elite backers (the industrial-military-petroleum-banking Conglomerate) could begin a radical agenda to gain control over the world's energy supply and hopefully thwart a currency collapse. My opinion is this plan was doomed to fail, and has only exascerbated geopolitical tensions and macroeconomic forces that are making the situation worse. Will Kerry make a difference? I have no idea, but we certianly need real LEADERSHIP. Now.

Well, my naive hope is that humanity will somehow see the self-defeating outcome if this pattern continues into this new century, and begin to do things differently - and soon. Either we do it via multilateral negotiations and compromises, or time and Mother Nature will do it via physics - but neither physics nor time is negotiable. I still think history shows an irrefutable pattern of an ongoing resource curse. That's enough for now...

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Jokinomx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 02:09 PM
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14. Very Interesting GoreN4....
Thanks for the preview and your analysis... I should get my copy today or tomorrow.

:kick:
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 08:28 PM
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15. "...but we certainly need real LEADERSHIP. Now."
I want to weigh in on this statement. You are absolutely right, we need REAL leadership -- and, more than ever, we need to begin to articulate what that is. What we've had disguised as leadership is a set of very short-sighted, myopic and paranoid "oiligarchs" -- the Bush family being preeminent among them -- who live in an a morally degenerate elitist social prison. We can count on NOTHING from them and every bit of wealth and power they hold should be stripped from them forever and their progeny forever. I am speaking of Morgans and DuPonts and Rockefellers and many others with names perhaps less familiar.

But where will the REAL leadership come from? Clearly the days of ARM CHAIR DEMOCRACY are now over forever. For all of us.
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