The SHIT is hitting the fan on AWOL ... other stories to cloud COCAINE use

[cthrumatrix]

Iraq stories will now be important.


The CBS letter will drag...he said/they said.

While 58% of AMericans (CNN Poll) said if AWOL did cocaine they would NOT vote for him. This was on the Paula Zahn whore hour.


Share the book with your friends... Kitty is suppose to be on TWeety and Aaron Brown today.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

1. I did lots of that garbage in the past.

After all, I worked in the music business for years. Some have asked me if I would run for local office. I turned them down. Why? Because of my past. It would come out and hurt the party.

I have no defense. I was consumately and abundantly stupid.

Frankly, it is my personal opinion that Cocaine leaves some shit behind in people that ain't pretty.

But all this does not make me a bad person. ;-)

[cthrumatrix]

2. agree... it's the "lies/ommissions made" by chimpy when he is/was

asked this question.

Just like all his non-answer bullshit.

[Warpy]

3. I don't think it's the past coke use so much

as the fact that he's been so evasive about it. It's the hypocrisy, and always has been.

Shoot, most of us out here in workaday land have colorful drug experimentation histories, and we put away such childish things when they got in the way of our adulthood. That isn't the problem, although an unlucky few of us bear scars to this day.

I've often thought that if I ran for office, I'd just gleefully admit everything the right wing slime machine came up with, smile, and say it had been a lot of fun and I enjoyed it tremendously, whether or not it had been true. Right wingers, though, have to run on being paragons of Christian morality, which means we'll always catch them lying about things, and that is what makes them vulnerable.

That is why Bush's desertion of the TANG remains an issue, and why allegation of drug abuse is becoming an issue. It shows the failthful that the man is a liar, a fraud, a cheat, and a punk who never lived up to anything in his whole life.

[GiovanniC]

8. It's Not Even That He's So Evasive About It

But it IS about the hypocricy. Read on:

As has been well documented, Gov. Bush refuses to discuss his possible past drug use, but he is not shy in championing some of the harshest drug laws in the country against kids who come from neighborhoods like the Bottoms. Under the previous Texas governor, Ann Richards, first-time offenders received automatic probation with drug counseling; when he ran against her, candidate Bush ridiculed this approach, calling it 'Penal Code Lite.'

Once he was in office, Bush signed a law ending such foolishness. Now, recreational users, first time offenders and even those caught with less than a gram face jail time: six months to two years.

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/1999/09/14/drugs/

Bush has been notoriously iron-fisted about drug laws for those other people. But when it was him, he got off very light and wouldn't have had it any other way.

"Incarceration is rehabilitation."
-- George W. Bush

[Democracy Died 2004]

11. It's not the "Bad person"

thing that most people care about. It's the stinking lying that would really piss people off.

[Stephanie]

13. The difference would be that you do not LIE about your past

"It's the LYING, stupid."

THAT is bush's problem - not that he did it, but that he's spent all these years lying about it. And lying about his Guard service. And then of course we could go on and on. Lies to numerous to mention. Where to even begin.

I would not disqualify you from office based on your past. It didn't hurt Ahnold.

[indepat]

4. Sa a brain-dead, brainwashed 42% would vote for him, no matter what?

[msmcghee]

12. That's because they are emotionally . .

. . committed to doing that.

No amount of facts can change their minds. That's why Kerry has to stop with the facts and get emotional. That's the only way some of those can be reached. And he has to do it better than Bush - who does it very well.

[Hello_Kitty]

21. Get the allegations out there big time so that he ONLY gets 42%! n/t

[indepat]

22. Right on

[dansolo]

5. AWOL is worse than prior cocaine use

Much worse.

[Kazak]

6. I could swear the Bush* team tried to smear McCain by claiming...

his years in a POW camp had warped his mind?!?

Hello!!!

[MaryH]

17. Yes, they did do that. And said his wife was a drug addict.

That's why I have no respect for McCain anymore. How could he possible side with Bush?

[G_j]

7. the image of Bush on coke is frightening

just imagine all his arrogant, selfish, sadistic qualities sped up and amplified! :scared:

[Ravenseye]

9. Yeah it's not the coke it's the lies.

If there is proof he did coke, enough to convince people, it will prove beyond a shadow that he's dishonest to a degree.

It's not about doing coke it's about lying about it and being hypocritical as people are saying.

Barrak Obama did coke, but he talks about his mistakes and how he overcame them. THAT is a leader.

[cthrumatrix]

10. it's that more people accept him being AWOL than cola use

according to the CNN poll... that's what was interesting

To me..it's that he lies/misleads america on everything!

[Selwynn]

14. I don't think we can talk about compassion and treatment for drug addicts

..and then berate bush for his past drug habit. I'll berate him for his lies, for his policies, for his ineptitude and warmongering, but lots of people have a drug habit in their past, and that alone doesn't make them unfit or unqualified at all.

We can't out of one side of our mouth complain about people who treat drug users as criminals rather than people who need help and treatment, and then use someone's past drug use as a weapon when we don't like them. The correct attitude toward drug abuse is help and support. Whether or not Bush used drugs in his past is not an issue to me and in no way affects my vote.

[Tsiyu]

15. I agree

But cocaine does strange things to the brain....

The issue for me is not his drug use; the issue is his support for "The War On Drugs." How many kids can't get financial aid, can't vote, waste away in jail and can never HOPE to become President? How is it that Bush and his cabal can do whatever the hell they want and get to reap more than their share of the American Dream, while they sentence others to lives of despair with their draconian drug laws? Is this what America is all about? A class system where the rich can snort away to their hearts' content and the poor wind up in prison? Thanks, Dubya! That's what Jesus would do, I betcha!

Justice weeps. Bush is a scumbag.

[Hello_Kitty]

19. Exactly!!

My sympathies are with anyone who struggles with an addiction, Rush Limbaugh included. But when someone abuses drugs himself with virtual legal impunity, and then supports draconian drug laws and harsh sentences for other drug abusers, that I have a problem with. Anyone who could be so blatantly and callously hypocritical is beneath contempt, IMO.

[jumpstart33]

16. I hope that Kitty is up for the interview sith Chris. He's deadly.

Send her e-mail of encourgement is you have her e-mail address.

[cthrumatrix]

18. after seing her handle Matt yelling at her...she will be just fine

[Hello_Kitty]

20. Yeah but Matt's a pussy, I could kick his ass. She'll be fine though. n/t

[chookie]

23. The fundamental hypocrisy of the Bush Crime Family

Bush HAS admitted to being an alcoholic. He HAS admitted to have been "young and irresponsible."

I think it's unlikely he will admit to the drug use, but the facts are out there, and yes, they are facts. This is not a smear campaign -- it is merely reporting the facts, which are in blatant contradiction to the Holy Family Hallmark card image the American Borgias has created.

For the sake of argument, let us assume His Chimperial Majesty is 100% clean of drugs and alcohol now. Let us ignore the probability that he is a "dry drunk."

So -- during the Viet Nam war, and later, young George was pretty much totally fried.

Yet, people defend his actions -- i.e. going AWOL, seeking favors to avoid the draft, etc -- and swear on a stack of Bibles that Glorious George is incapable of ever having acted this way. HUH? That somehow through the fog of AT LEAST heavy alcohol use (and probably drugs), that he still managed to *ACT* morally, to have made good judgements, and thus incapable of wrong doing -- and that ANYTHING that is not totally flattering about him is an absolute lie.

Hey -- ANY of us who have had the misfortune of dealing with an alcoholic or druggie friend or relative can tell you straight up how fucking awful they make your life, and the crazy shit they pull every day to indulge their addiction.

Yet, we are supposed to believe that during George's "young and irresponsible" days -- in spite of his heavy drinking, etc -- that he miraculously managed to still be a decent guy, and, as Pickles told us today, was so innately pure and 100% innocent of ANY character flaw that it is absolutely incomprehensible that the charges of favoritism and blurred service records could be true?

BULLSHIT. Anyone who believes the American Borgias is fucking nuts.