All Things Considered... Are You Proud To Be An American?

[arwalden]

[DBtv]

1. I'll be a lot prouder on 11/3

when America repudiates the politics of hate and megalomaniacle imperialism.

[Joylaughter]

8. Not taking the poll

I love my aprtment. I love my street. I love my neighbors. I love my neighborhood. I love my city. I love my state. I love my country and I love my planet. I am grateful to have lived a peaceful life. I am grateful to have had the opportunities to develope a life's philosophy and the freedom of time to explore it. I am grateful for abundance of healthy food and a great gym membership and the time to excercise. I am proud to belong to an organised fellowship and to practice my craft. I am grateful for technology and science that have improved my life.

I am sad that their is a vice grip over the many by the few who squeeze the labor out of people but do not share the wealth. I am sad that the people are exploited and brainwashed and manipulated by the greedy overlords. I am horrified that a few can murder so many and torture and enslave and sell sell sell it all with a fine chocolate candy shell. Consumerism kills. TV kills. The government is of the corporations and it shouldn't have to be this way.

Yes I am proud to be a citizen of America and I believe we are waking up and seeing the truth and when we reject the materialism and bling bling and come together and share in a spirit of harmony, cooperation, and peace and respect we will finally be free of the parasite that is feeding off our life force and our fear and our ignorance. Love and Light from one to all.

[Generic Other]

2. I'm proud to know some Americans

that's the extent of my pride.

[dave123williams]

3. AMERICA ROCKS...

Where else could we get away with calling a wannabe dictator a 'smirking chimp' and not get shot for it? We live in a super-cool country, sometime host to conservative mornons and religious fundamentalists. The beauty is, we've not had a civil war in some time, because the Constitution is a nice steam-valve.

Too bad the GOP spends so much of it's time trying to undermine it.

[Djinn]

44. where else??

"Where else could we get away with calling a wannabe dictator a 'smirking chimp' and not get shot for it"

Australia, New Zelanda, UK, Sweden, Norway, Canada, Japan, South Africa, Italy, France, Israel (although depending on your ethnicity you may be placed on a watch list but then again that's the saem as in US) just off the top of my head, there are many many many nations on earth that have as many or more "freedoms" than you have in the US.

Clearly as I'm NOT American I can't be proud of it, but I'm not "proud" of being Scottish or Australian either - I had nothing to do with it, even if I had migrated here as an adult and it had been purely my choice I don't think I could be "proud" - unless I have something to do with something I can't feel "pride" in it.

As for teh myth that "liberals hate america" since when has the absence of pride been synonomous with hate, I'm not "proud" of my neighbours kids but I don't hate them, I'm not "proud" of the guy who owns the milk bar but I don't hate him etc

[Flammable Materials]

4. Ask me again after the election.

I'm withholding comment until then.

[arwalden]

5. Good Idea.... I'll Ask Again After The Election

... but in the meantime, go ahead and answer now so that we can get a good "before-and-after" comparison.

-- Allen

[Flammable Materials]

30. In the mean time ...

"Enn-n-nh!"

[alittlelark]

6. I used to be soooo proud!!

I made my kids tie-dyed clothes in R,W, and blue for the 4th one year. My family has fought in EVERY war (except this one) since the revolutionary war.

I am not so proud anymore.

I will have renewed faith/pride when Kerry kicks *'s squatting butt out of the White House with a landslide election result!!!

[murielm99]

7. Not voting.

I am too ambivalent.

How can I feel proud and ashamed at the same time?

Members of my family who have travelled abroad lately, and foreigners I have talked to in the last few years are very quick to distinguish between the U.S. of A. and the ass running it.

Foreigners like us, but hate *. And I don't use the word 'hate' lightly.

Maybe I am proud. Otherwise, I would not be working so hard to get rid of * in November. I would not be working so hard to get people elected who will cooperate with Kerry.

[arwalden]

9. I Assume That You're "Not Voting" This Poll... But Voting On Election Day.

Correct?

There's always the middle "ennnh" option for the undecided folks with mixed feelings.

-- Allen

[murielm99]

16. Definitely voting on November 2!!!!

And finding/registering/driving as many other Democrats as I can find.

"ennnh" was a bit non-committal for my taste.

I am very committed.

[Bryan]

10. "Not really"

I've almost developed a certain shame about being an American over the past few years. When I talk with foreign citizens, no matter the subject, I become withdrawn and almost apologetic; there's no way I can justify the things that have been done in our collective name by this administration.

I do, however, feel lucky to be an American, and I look forward to a time when I won't be ashamed to say that I'm American.

[sambird90]

11. I love my country

but I don't like the crap that's done in the name of it. No more than I like people using God's name in starting wars and taking away freedom in the name of safety. :cry:

[SheWhoMustBeObeyed]

12. Pride doesn't really enter into it

I've always been very grateful to have been born an American. But I didn't make any effort to become one. It just happened.

I'm very glad I'm American, and I would never change my nationality, no matter what.

[dumpster_baby]

13. Pride in Country/Patriotism is just manipulation by the elite institutions

I have moved beyond all that crap. I have no pride in my country, not really. I see myself as an owner of America, along with my fellow citizens. I think America should be run for the benefit of the majority of the people.

Just imagine a business owner who hires a manager, and when he asks where the profits are, the manager says, "Ask not what your business can do for you, but ask what you can do for your business."

Uh, fuck that shit...

[mitchum]

14. Why should I be?

Being born in a certain place is not really much of a personal accomplishment,is it? Kind of like being proud of being a human. Or having blue eyes.

[Cogito ergo doleo]

15. With these shining examples of leadership

how can anyone not be proud?



</sarcasm>

[shanti]

18. ewwww

the pic of sneer reminds me of the scene in "the addams family" when the kids were frightened by wednesday's smile. big dick's smile looks so fake.

[shanti]

17. how about

i used to be...

[Blayde Starrfyre]

19. This is not helpful . . .

Let's feed the "liberals hate America!" myth. x(

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

20. I got over patriotism some time in the early '60s.

Between being in the marines and enduring the brainwashing BS they put out and watching the civil rights marchers being attacked by dogs and redneck cops, I got the idea that the good old USofA wasn't all that it was cracked up to be. The war in Vietnam, which I was asked to extend my enlistment to participate in, (I refused), was the capper for me.

I don't consider getting born by happenstance in any particular place a matter of great achievement. My mother was a Brit born of an Irish immigrant to England. Hell, I could have born in any number of places the British Empire was exploiting if my grandmother hadn't decided to pull up stakes and make for England then Canada and then the USA.

"Patriotism is the most foolish of passions, and the passion of fools." Schopenhauer

[G_j]

21. Vietnam

look at the manner in which Rs, Ds and the media are revisiting Vietnam.
We haven't learned shit!
3+ million Vietnamese, 50,000+ American dead.
Gulf War I is casually referred to as some high and mighty undertaking.
'Ashamed' is a better description of my feelings.

----

I'm proud of jazz music and other wonderful artistic contributions .............

[UdoKier]

22. Being proud to be American makes no sense

I didn't have to do anything to achieve status as an American. I was born one.

I'm proud of some of the great things my country did in the period between the Civil War and Vietnam, but aside from that, no. As a nation we have made no real social progress for the last 25 years, and we're in the middle of another unjust war. The only area we have made progress in is probably gay rights, and we've got a long way to go there.

[Nordic]

23. Yes, being an American is not an accomplishment, so why be proud?

you can only say you're "proud" to be an American if you've achieved, or overcome something, in order to be an American.

That's always bugged me, along with "God Bless America". It infers "to hell with the rest of the world".

[manic expression]

55. You said...

"period between the Civil War and Vietnam"...Do the places: Sand Creek or Wounded Knee mean anything to you? That is the period which saw the most active genocide and destruction of a culture than anything else in U.S. History. That, to me, is enough to have disdain for what this country has done throughout its existence.
Only in the period immediately after the Civil War was there any semblance of racial progress. Instead, blacks are barred from just about everything in the south and many places in the north; and slavery is re-instituted under the name of share-cropping. And don't forget the suppression of the labor movement during this period.

[starroute]

24. I stopped being proud of being an American somewhere around 1959

When I realized most of the rest of the world didn't like us very much -- and for good reason.

Since then, it's been a matter of holding on tight and hoping that the country doesn't fall to the dark side entirely.

[Gemini Cat]

25. Eh, sometimes yes, sometimes no.

Depends on a lot of things.

Proud of our landing on moon and of course, NASA.
Proud of our music. (Blues, jazz and rock n roll)
Proud of our constitution!
Proud of our inventions.
Proud of our Baseball.

I think the thing I'm most proud of however, is our collective ability to (eventually) over come our occasional stupidity.
Not easy to do of course, but we do it. In spite of our occasional lapses back to stupidity, we always over come. (Thanks to the constitution.)
I don't know if that is pride in America so much as it is simply honouring our humanity. In ourselves and in others.

[grace0418]

26. Right now? I'm ashamed.

America is AWESOME, don't get me wrong. We have freedoms here that other countries can't even dream about. And so many have sacrificed for us to have these freedoms.

But that is exactly why I am ashamed. Because instead of celebrating these sacrifices and using our freedoms to make the world a better place, we've become selfish, greedy and complacent (and when I say "we" I mean America as a whole, not individual Americans). Sure there are those of us fighting the good fight, but the majority of Americans don't want to be bothered or WORSE, they actually *want* to dominate the rest of the world. We've allowed greedy, heartless dictators to take control of our government and invade countries at will IN OUR NAME. If we hadn't been so damn lazy in 2000 Gore would've won by a landslide and Bush wouldn't have been able to steal the election, even with brother Jeb's help.

Because of this, I think we should be ashamed of ourselves. We have the freedom, the power and wealth to be doing much better for our country and for our planet. But we're too busy watching TV or working or buying new shoes or whatever to pay attention.

I recently read an article about an Indian woman who was working to help women in her village care for themselves and their families. She was teaching them about health and birth control, she was showing them how to get an education and find ways to make money to support themselves. Here was this woman, poor and very undereducated by our standards, living in a village where women weren't educated at all because only boys were worth the expense. And SHE could take the time to make a difference in the world. What is our excuse when we have so much?

I am very grateful for all the privileges I have as an American, but I am also very ashamed that I don't balance out these privileges with responsibility to the extent that I should. I am ashamed that I know more about movies and music than I do about our government. And I am ashamed that my boredom and complacency, along with that of so many others, allowed the Bush Administration to take control without much of a fight. I voted for Gore but I didn't contribute my time, money and talent to get the message out to others. I am ashamed that a destitute Indian woman does more to help her fellow humans than I do.

I just don't think that 500 cable channels, all-you-can-eat buffets and, stretch limo-Hummers with plastic American flags suctioned to the window are what our forebearers were fighting for and dying for. There's so much more we can and should be doing, myself included. That's when I'll be proud to be an American again.

[DemBones DemBones]

27. You should have added a disclaimer,

something like "Although we all love our country, sometimes it's difficult to take pride in its actions," to make it a bit more difficult for FR and the WSJ to use this poll as "more proof that Democrats hate America."

Ever since I can remember, and my memory definitely goes back to the days of McCarthyism, those who criticized the actions of US government were stereotyped as "America-hating." You know what? I am sick and damn tired of THOSE Americans, who spread lies and try to trash the reputations of those of us who are able to see shades of grey in the world. Seeing every issue as a black and white issue is a sign of limited thinking. Jingoism is nothing to be proud of. (Look it up, freeps.)

[arwalden]

31. That's An Excellent Point!

-- Allen

[DeepModem Mom]

32. I agree, DB -- It's my love of this country that brings me here....

The Right thinks they're the only patriots. IMO, their love is for something else, not the country the Founders envisioned.

[arwalden]

36. As A Comparison Between Love And Pride...

I love my lazy, shiftless, scoundrel, slightly nutty uncle Bob... but I'm not at all proud to include him as a member of my family.

-- Allen

[morgan2]

28. im both proud and ashamed to be american

there are a lot of things that come along with being American. Many of them admirable, many of them not. I dont think you can fairly sum it up as any one thing though.

[bowens43]

29. No.

Why should I be ? It was an accident of birth. It's like being proud of being left handed or having brown eyes.

[laura888]

33. a few things "I'm proud of/not proud of

This is just a short list - there's probably more...

Proud of:
Martin Luther King
Yellowstone National Park
Rock and Roll
Land of opportunity (to a certain degree)
Excellent health care (for those with $)
Libraries


Not proud of:
Our foreign policy
Military Industrial Complex
Political system driven by $ due to the need for campaign $
Bush
Our stubborn insistence on oil as our means of energy
Slavery

[Dangerman]

34. I voted "Definitely not"

Bush invaded a defenseless country under false pretexts, our soldiers and innocent Iraqi are murdered over there everyday, the administration and Homeland Security scared us sh*tless with orange-level terror alerts, half the country have been brainwashed by FAUX NEWS, and or course the Patriot Act.

Can you blame me?

I just pray my opinion will change IF Kerry is elected.

For now, it's more "ashamed" than "proud" to be an American.

[thomas_a]

35. Absolutely Yes!

I am proud to be a citizen of the United States of America as should every person on this forum. Yes, George W. Bush is our president and has done things that range from incompetent to outright evil. However, look at us compared to the British. Blair is madly working to earn the title of Il Duce II but all the citizens of his country can do is stage a feeble protest in the streets of London when Bush comes to visit. There is no strong movement to kick the little Mussolini wannabe out of office. Compare that to what people are doing here. Look at the strength of the movement aimed at kicking Bush out of the White House. Where would you rather live? For me there is no question.

[blindpig]

37. Not. Read this little book once....

"Bury My Heart At Wounded Knee". Ruined me for life.Shame.

[G_j]

53. everybody should read that book

about the original Americans
its a heart breaker alright

[trof]

38. vote kick

[Momma Mia]

40. I voted yes!

I am now, and always will be ... proud to be an American!

What difference who is in power in the White House?

It neither diminishes, nor adds, to what I am as a person.

A person, who loves her country and is thankful to be living in the one place where thousands of people year after year, whether legally or illegally do their best to come here.

Some even die in the trying ... but still they come to our shores.

Wow! Enough of this! (Blush!)

YES, YES, YES! I am proud to be an American! Election or no election ... (even though I fervently want Kerry to win, Please! Please!)

I will still love my country, no matter which way it goes!

[Piperay]

39. YES at this point

because the majority of Americans were intelligent enough to have given their votes to Gore but if chimp actually wins by a majority of votes I will feel very ashamed and sad. :-(

[porphyrian]

41. I am proud to be an American...

...and I am furious about what is being done to our country, and in the name of our country, by a group of money cultist fanatic self-righteous hypocritical traitors who have usurped the Republican party. I believe I can honestly say that I hate them for what they've done in our name.

[LiberalPersona]

42. Definitely not

I didn't choose to be here, and if I had a choice I wouldn't be here.

[Momma Mia]

43. Shiru ...

Explain please!

[LiberalPersona]

47. Not much to explain

I could have pride if I chose to live there and uprooted my life to move there, but I can't have pride as a permanent citizen that was simply born there. I haven't lived in other countries which means I have nothing to compare here to and make the claim that I'm proud of living here as opposed to living somewhere else.

[Momma Mia]

49. Thanks for getting back to me.

However ...

Just curious as to why you originally used the word "here" in your original post and are now using the word "there!"

"I didn't choose to be here, and if I had a choice I wouldn't be here."

As in your next post:

"I could have pride if I chose to live there and uprooted my life to move there, but I can't have pride as a permanent citizen that was simply born there."

[LiberalPersona]

60. I mistyped, I meant "here" in that sentence n/t

[HEIL PRESIDENT GOD]

45. Wrong question.

Identity politics are over. Whenever I am exhorted to be proud of what I AM, rather than what I DO, I am reminded of a macho chicano ex-marine throwing sieg heils in my kitchen at a party. He thought he was being respectful to me because I am "white". He thought it was important to be proud (like, Nazi proud) of what one is. He didn't know I was Jewish!

So I'm not answering this poll. It's fodder for the trolls. I am proud that I vote (for the RIGHT candidate every time), that I participate here and in other places and urge people to participate in our political discourse and process. That is the PART of America that I am proud of, because that part is mine.

All in all I think it would be more impressive to say one is Palestinian or Pakistani or Somali. People in other countries face challenges most Americans can't imagine. We have an easy life that doesn't force us to be particularly bright or courageous or competent, apparently! if you look at our leadership. I didn't make this country into a foam-rubber world of easy A's and umpteenth chances, so I can't be proud of that.

[Disturbed]

50. Blind patriotism and Nationalism/

These are the delusions that people in power use to exploit the common folk. It's a fraudulent cause for their wars of greed. It's bogus.

I cringe when I read or hear that Amerika is the best country in the world. It is not! Amerika isn't the worst country either and there are some cool things about it, such as The Bill of Rights, The Constitution, Rock and Roll, and the Arts, beautiful places etc. As a poster stated there are a lot of countries that have as many and some even more freedoms and advantages than Amerika. Hell, this country is rich and still after all these years there is no National Health Care, damn, even for children.

Am I proud to be an American? Not at this time. I would be ashamed to say that I am an American if I were in Palastine, Iraq, Afghanistan, Venezuala and many other countries because of the crimes these criminal Neo Fascists have been commiting in the name of "Freedom". It's shameful and they are shameless.

[HEIL PRESIDENT GOD]

46. And by the way

Never come at me with that love it or leave it shit!

Repugs seem to think there are countries out there just dying to have us.

Has anyone here tried to emigrate? It is not easy. I'm finishing my PhD just to have a "portable" degree.

[Deja Q]

48. I'm proud of what it can be and the ideals behind the Constitution.

n/t

[Momma Mia]

52. Thanks HypnoToad ...

For saying what I should have added to my post #40, or whatever the number was!

It truly is a great country, when we are back on track that is!!!

[Darranar]

51. How can I be proud of something not under my control?

Sure, I feel lucky that I was born in the United States instead of in, say, Iraq, but that is a different matter.

[Name removed]

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[sffreeways]

56. No

not proud at this point in our history. And at times I feel ashamed. Much like I'm sure some Germans felt ashamed when they realized or accepted that their beloved Germany had embraced fascism and committed crimes against humanity.

I was very proud following 9/11 I thought America was rising to the challenge but I felt ashamed and embarrased again when I heard about neighbors attacking the Arab shop owners down the street. It went downhill from there. I cringed when I heard "crusade" and when I heard the Geneva Convention being mocked and when I saw the cages at Gitmo. I hung my head when I saw the photos of Abu Ghraib.

I felt proud during the Clinton years but then I felt ashamed again when the Republicans began their embarrassing behavior against him. I never felt ashamed because of Bill Clinton. I was proud. And I felt pride when I believed Al Gore would be president. But then I was ashamed again when our democratic process looked less stable than some third world countries.

Bush and his supporters have hurt my pride and embarrassed me. I think that's what makes me dislike them most.

[Codeblue]

57. "Ennnnh"

I like being an American, but I hate being associated wiht pretty much everything America has ever done. Our history is one of oppression and mindless slaughter of the wonderful people who inhabited North America before us.

Our whole existence has been an existence of degradation and inequality. I will never be proud to be a part of a country like that.

[Christof]

58. In the last three years? No, I have NOT been proud to be an American.

I've been rather embarrassed and ashamed of the direction my country is going.

[NightTrain]

59. I voted "ehh," but I would've voted "no" had I seen this first....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2349100

[guitar man]

61. Yes

Hell yes I'm proud to be an American and I always will be. I feel like a man without a country since the anti-American animals have taken America over and turned it into a corporate police state. I hope we have our country back in November and never forget how we almost lost it.

[DjTj]

62. Very Proud.

And together, we will ensure that the image of America — the image all of us love — America this great shining light, this beacon of freedom, democracy, and human rights that the world looks up to - that that beacon is always lit.

The truth is every child, every family in America will be safer and more secure if you grow up in a world where America is once again looked up to and respected. That's the world we can create together.


Some in this thread have said they didn't do anything to become Americans, so they can't be proud of it...

Well I didn't do anything, but my parents left their home country - a place they had never been away from their entire lives - with no money in their pockets to come to America. They saw that shining light that was America's image around the world, and they followed it. They worked hard and sacrificed so I could have a better like, so I could grow up as an American.

...probably most of you didn't grow up quite like that, but your parents, or your grandparents, or your great-grandparents may have looked upon the United States as a land of opportunity.

That's the image of America that George Bush is damaging right now. Lucky for us, our country is stronger than that, but I don't think we can afford four more years.

Am I proud of our President? No. But am I proud to be an American? Always and Forever.

[Seabiscuit]

63. I've grown to hate the phrase

It reminds me of that stupid right-wing hillbilly song supporting Dubya and his dumbass war in Iraq.

I'm not "proud" of *that* America - I'm ashamed for those people. In the eyes of the rest of the world, they're despicable oink-oinks. I'm not personally ashamed to be an American, however, any more than I'd be ashamed to be Russian if I were a Russian citizen. After Bush invaded Iraq, I suspect I'd be prouder if I were French.

I will defend the Constitution and our laws and our liberties, not to the death, but to the end of my life, as I'm more valuable to America alive than dead.

I'm an internationalist, not an ethnocentric nationalist. I have no need to cheer "we're number one!", or "I'm proud to be an American" or "we're better than you" or "we're winners!". The rest of the world perceives us with a clearer vision than we perceive ourselves.

So, given the choices, I had to vote: "Ennnnhhh", or whatever.

[Selwynn]

64. I am ashamed of my country

I find very little to be proud of today, but it wasn't always that way.

[arwalden]

68. I Couldn't Even Get "Into" Our Olympic Athletes And Teams...

with the same sense of pride and excitement as I have in the past. Was I just saturated with the Olympics before they even got started? Or are my bad feelings for this country's current government so strong that they are being projected into the sports arena as well?

-- Allen

[Selwynn]

75. For me its that more than ever before, I reject nationalism..

..allen, I think for me at least, that has an effect even on how I view things like the Olympics.

[EnfantTerrible]

65. I don't mind admitting being an American here at home

But it would be tougher abroad to face the opinions of the rest of the world.

[FatSlob]

66. Still the greatest Nation on Earth.

I love the United States with a passion. I'll love it more in November.

[Tafiti]

67. Not really, because...

...like others have already said, nationalism puts artificial and unnecessary barriers between human beings. A song says, "...in times of trouble, everyone joins a team. No one waves a flag for all human beings..." I think that's the world's biggest problem. I think humanity as a whole will be better off when we can shed these labels that don't mean anything (like, as others have said, being proud of one's color of eyes - something one has no control over). Besides, after reading authors like Zinn, Chomsky, Blum et al., the shame will always overshadow any feelings of pride. As for Conservatives using this for "Liberals hate America" fodder, their refusal to acknowledge the atrocities we commit and have committed for our entire existence is both childish and dangerous. It isn't hate, so much as it's an overwhelming feeling that we hvae a lot of potential, but gets wasted by a corrupt, moneyed system, which creates a corrupt and greedy foreign policy.

[BiggJawn]

69. I'm so proud I gave up Ham Radio.

Really, after Chimpy started stepping on the World's toes with his "Yer Fer us or agin us" dick-shaking bullshit, I'm embarrassed as hell to get on the air and call "CQ". I figure I'm either gonna hook up with some retired swift boat type who has to lie down if he hears the name "Hillary" or a foreign station who's probably thinking "I'll give this arrogant American pig a signal report then maybe he'll go play with himself and leave us alone..."

I was on the air for about a week after 11 Sept. then I hung it up.

then the "Homeland Security" mentality started to infest the hobby, and I got sick of "Radio First Responder" this and Radio First Responder that...I don't even belong to the ARRL anymore.

Ham Radio has become shit. just a bunch of old farts playing at being shortwave "Art Bells" or a bunch of loser ex-CB geeks playing "Homeless Insecurity". I'm ashamed to have an American ham license.

[Beware the Beast Man]

70. Yes and no.

There are things about this nation, both currently and throughout history, that make me proud. On the flip side, there's quite a bit that I'm ashamed of. But that's what patriotism is all about: taking the bad with the good, and making a conscious effort to right your wrongs. I still think that we, as Americans, have a long haul in order to rectify all the mistakes we've made in our past. Not to mention all the wrongdoings being committed today. We have a long haul.

[Chelsea Patriot]

71. Very Proud to Be An American!!!

No piece of Shit like Bush will ever make me turn on my country!

[sweetheart]

72. Would Jesus Christ be proud of america?

I think not. Clearly him and real christians are in minority in
america, and it would make it no different than casears rome. Jesus
had no pride in ethnicity, rather spiritual qualities of stepping
beyond ones ego-self to be great-hearted.

I am not proud, in the least. It implies that i identify myself as
american, which i only do when i have to pull out the old passport.
It implies that i identify being american to other people, and whilst
many folks make the american accent, i have left america, and have
no goodwill towards the state at all, rather only towards the people
like at DU and the land.

The whole illusion of being a member of a nation state, just like
club membership in a white-racist society, a "citizen or rome" with
rights to walk the earth and meet no man eye to eye... no.

I am grateful to be alive, and to have this magical day, which
will never return. If i could have a citizenship of the earth
passport with the universal declaration of human rights as my law,
then i would gladly adopt it.

For a buddhist, this is strange to say, but i'd rather be a citizen
of a "christian nation" than ride with the barbarian hoard. That
said, i don't know of many christian nations.. holland, finland maybe, definitely not scotland/UK for the war machine is no
different than those who are "proud" to be war-killing yankees.

[skippysmom]

73. I love my country

but damn it does some stupid shit sometimes...like voting for Bush...

[MallRat]

74. In America, at least we have a fighting chance to dethrone tyrants.

In a lot of other countries, we wouldn't have a prayer.

-MallRat