It seems to me Hillary Clinton was dead to nuts right about a vast

[Veggie Meathead]

Right Wing Conspiracy trying to undermine President Clinton.The key players in this conspiracy we now know are the entire gang of PNAC,the Christian Fundamentalists, the Corporate Media Machine, The Rightwing Foundations and, of course, Bush, Rove and his immediate entourage.

They have essentially declared war on liberals and Democrats.Politics for them is now a bloodsport with no holds barred.Everyone and everything needs to be "gored" viciously.Note how they have coopted the insane Zell Miller.We must accept the idea that civilized discourse with them will be suicidal and must find aggressive spokesmen willing to call them with adjectives they use against us and interrupt them when they spout off on TV shows.People like Hannity must be exposed for the vicious partisans they are and not allowed to put on any pretense of being "Fair and Balanced".All our resources must be marshalled to defeat their candidates for the House and the Senate.This a War and we must win it at all levels.

[LTR]

1. Hillary's statement was before it's time

And it was spot-on.

Hillary has always been attacked because if her critics ever engaged in debate with her directly, she would tear them apart with her teeth.

She is perhaps the toughest SOB in the Democratic Party, and I mean that as a compliment. She don't take no shit.

[nadinbrzezinski]

2. What we are living through right now is

a cold civil war, which started probably in '92, but truly was obvious on December 12th, 2000. I fear we will see this cold war go hot

[trof]

13. It started in 1974 when Nixon resigned.

The repugs have never gotten over that.
Many discount the "high crimes" he committed.
They conveniently forget he left town one jump ahead of the impeachment posse.
They think he was "hounded" out of office.
This is:
1. PAYBACK, BIG TIME. Especially during Clinton's terms.
2. The way they plan to take over the country and make it a one party nation. Unhappily, they seem to be pretty damn good at it.

[greekspeak]

19. I think that you have really hit the nail on the head

The cold war is no longer between America and the USSR, but between American conservatives and liberals. But with recent high-profile acts of violence-kicking a protestor, pulling a protestor's hair, putting a protestor in a head lock-from both sides, I think the cold war may soon become a boiling war, ideology against ideology, brother against brother, mother against daughter. Things will probably get much uglier than it is now, and it would suprise me if there were not at least riots on 11/2/2004, no matter who wins.

[Nite Owl]

3. The interesting thing here is

they call people who say this conspiracy nuts. It was their 'conspiracy'. Isn't that the same tactic used against Kerry, slam his stong areas and make him look like the weak candidate when * is the one who did not even serve in the war he said he stood for? They have made use of that tactic all along.

[mypal]

4. She was

.

[Nordic]

5. yes, and its genesis and history is explained very well in the new Harper'

article by Lewis Lapham. He has seen it germinate and grow first hand and was offered really good money to join it.

A very illuminating article every American should read before voting and before EVER turning on a cable news network ever again

[harris8]

8. Got a link to Harper's article by Lewis Lapham?

... or is it only in the print edition?

[Professor_Moriarty]

14. I think it appeared only in the print edition.It is in the September 2004

edition of Harper's Mag and is titled TENTACLES OF RAGE.Great piece of writing by Lewis Lapham.

[Randypiper]

18. Here it is

http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2004/Republican-Propaganda1sep04.htm

[Cleita]

6. She made a mistake though.

Her statement was that the real story, if the press wanted to pursue it, was a vast right wing conspiracy that could be traced to Sciafe-Mellon (not sure of the name, going on memory here) and Jesse Helms.
Poor Hillary and poor us. We didn't know that the press was already in the hands of the people who would be defining our President and our policies in the future.

[pacalo]

7. She was absolutely correct about it.

It was during the time that Hillary made that statement on the Today show that I overcame my fear of the computer. I sat down & learned how to fire off letters to NBC & to Washington, in addition to making lots of phone calls.

Having said that, I find it amazing that the only thing the RWers can come up with about Kerry is his heroism in Vietnam, despite that their coWard is at the other end of the spectrum. Doesn't that tell you something about Kerry's character? The RWers have to weave lies about Kerry's impressive record to destroy him.

I blame the media for allowing this to happen. That's why I think restructuring the FCC should be a major priority for President Kerry in 2005.

[Lefty48197]

9. True then. True now.

.

[tom_paine]

10. She was absolutely dead on. I laughed back when she said it

Of course, I also believed the Old American Republic was still strong and healthy at the time and that It couldn't happen here when in reality it was dying and it IS happening here.

[leesa]

35. Me too. I sorta just rolled my eyes and thought "Poltics..sheesh!"

She was warning us flat out and we didn't have a clue.

[rniel]

11. woops

wrong post

[leetrisck]

12. bush & sleaze - anytime a bush is involved

in any kind of campaign, it is pure sleaze - they are all lowlife's - I'm sure that soon some white Democrat running will have a black baby. They have a thing about black babies

[ThomCat]

15. History will remember that she was the first to state

publically what later became obvious to everyone.

[jonnyblitz]

16. read david brock's last two books. n/t

[mark414]

17. read "the hunting of the president"

i'm in the middle of it right now...absolutely fantastic

[jonnyblitz]

20. yup, that book too (which is now a movie) n/t

[October]

21. Dems should've backed her on that

Instead, they let her take all the heat...

She nailed it!

[SarahB]

22. It seemed obvious at the time to many of us.

Millions spent on what essentially amounted to a man's sex life while we now have thousands of people being killed around the world (Americans included) for the agenda of furthering the wealth of the already wealthy. It's like bizarro world and people are so fucking blind they don't even see it. They didn't see it then and most won't see it now.

[barb162]

40. they don't see it because the media is owned by the right

it is like total thought control. I even see it here on these boards. There was a discussion about "frivilous lawsuits" and also the "need" for malpractice limits. Two standard pro-business GOP tricks that have worked their way into being "FACT" with almost everyone, including DUers. If DUers can't see it....

[AmandaRuth]

23. They will not stop until the Dem party is totally

destroyed, they want one party rule, which is why the media is so manipulated. Personally i believe the only hope we have is to take on the media directly and to selectively boycott, but i am constantly told here that boycotts don't work.

[LaPera]

24. A one party system: The Republican/Fascist Party of America.

(And they hope the world).

I knew Hillary Clinton was correct, knew it before she stated it.

A fascist corporate world is what they envision.

[teamster633]

36. I'm considering boycotting all Fox programming,

not just their news(which I've never watched anyway). Yeah, I'll miss "24" and "the Simpsons" but I'll feel better knowing that I'm lending zero support to Murdock and his fascist minions. I just canceled my local newspaper subscription for the same reason. I could no longer justify sending money to that RW mouthpiece that promotes everything I despise. I'll find some less objectionable way to get the local news. Those rich fucks always tell us to vote with our wallets. Maybe it's time we take them at their word.

[Eloriel]

25. If you're just now coming to this realization,

there's a book you should read: David Brock's "Blinded by the Right." He explains, from the vantage point only an insider could have, exactly HOW that vast rightwing conspiracy worked, and at whose behest (and funding). He's on our side now, thank heavens, and I think his rather righteous website is "Media Matters" -- don't have the link handy.

[Veggie Meathead]

26. Thank you, I will read it.BTW, I posted this because I am in love

with Hillary, the classiest woman bar none.

[Eric J in MN]

34. http://mediamatters.org/ nt

nt

[Carolinian]

27. Would it make any sense to form an organized resistance to Corporate

Media influence?

[Veggie Meathead]

28. I certainly believe that it can work.We could probably start with

newspapers such as NYT and washington Post and any of Murdoch's sleaze
rags.After this a targeted boycott of TV stations would be in order.

[Tactical Progressive]

29. 'Conspiracy' isn't quite the right word

Conspiracy implies control and communication. It's more like vast right-wing terrorism. Each individual right-wing nutcase in America does his venal best to be as disgustingly evil as his position in society allows. Exactly like a terrorist cell.

Corrupt prosecutors, judges, Congressmen and propaganda journalists were arrayed against Clinton without any central control. Gore faced their ongoing efforts. Ballot disruptors in Florida, and Supreme Court judges exercising blatant precedent-free rulings against Democracy, had no contact with one another. They are just all of a mind and willing to cross way over the line to do whatever they think is necessary to get their way.

These things don't strike me as conspiracy in the conventional sense. They are a corrupt culture of extreme ideology inciting individuals who are devoid of ethical boundaries. I'd call it 'ideological terrorism'. I guess combining the outside qualifiers, a 'vast conspiracy' provides a broader conception of 'conspiracy'. We know what it means, but the tin-foil tag that the word 'conspiracy' holds, plus the obvious lack of planning and control, keeps the charge from hitting home fully.

[misanthrope]

30. Not "conspiracy," but "movement"...

...It's not a coordinated campaign, but rather the end result of various efforts.

[Nordic]

32. No, it's definitely a deliberate conspiracy. Read the Harper's article

It's deliberate, it's organized, and it's extremely well-funded and it's been going on for 30 years now.

[blm]

31. By then she had heard plenty from David Brock about how vast it really was

.

[smirkymonkey]

33. I never doubted her for a second.

[detroit]

37. Pass it on

On Sept. 11, if you see EVEN ONE Bush campaign ad using 9-11 imagery, call the White House. Pass it on. It's bad enough when he politicizes the deaths of 3,000 Americans on other days. But if he does it on Sept. 11, it'll be an outrage.
Please e-mail EVERYONE YOU KNOW and ask them to do the same!

[barb162]

38. I agreed with her that day she said it

and I remember the press yucking it up like she was loonytunes. She was totally right; she was victimized by it as was Bill. As I say there is a vast right wing conspiracy to people, they look at me like I am nuts too. But I will not back down. It is a fact and it has been going on a LONG time. And these bastards basically own almost the entire media and spew their evil on many tv shows that masquerade as "news", they own newspapers, etc. The news is really skewed to their viewpoint. And their style really is no holds barred. The Dems have to come to terms with it and fight back the same way.

[OnionPatch]

39. I loved how she said

in a recent speech that she knows a little bit about the vast right wing conspiracy, then she laughed and said, "And there were doubters!" Not too many doubters now, I would guess.