Aren't anarchists and libertarians the same thing?

[billbuckhead]

[Terran]

1. No

Anarchy = no government at all

Libertarianism = minimumal governmnt with no interference in people's lives. Libertarians do recognize a need for some sort of governmental structure (unless I'm mistaken).

[HysteryDiagnosis]

7. No

anarchy
1. Absence of any form of political authority.
2. Political disorder and confusion.
3. Absence of any cohesive principle, such as a common standard or purpose.


libertarianism
1. One who advocates maximizing individual rights and minimizing the role of the state.
2. One who believes in free will.

Ya know.... they say that all it takes for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing. I wish it said something about crashing other peoples' governments to suit your own economic agenda... and causing untold hardships for the poor peoples of those governments. There is nothing quite as unsettling as listening to someone try to justify the correctness of their foreign policy double standards.

In days gone by you were either with us (you let us pillage your natural resources at the expense of your indegenous population) or you were against us.

Now you have despots using the "waronterrah" to do away with legitimate political opposition. The war on terrah has given birth to a war of terrah against opposition parties in many nations throughout the world.

If this bonehead would have just taken on Al Qaida.... quitely if need be... and left nation states alone... things would be going a whole lot better for him and certainly for us.

As long as control is the ultimate goal... and as long as energy and the shortening supply of it is a major issue... there will be NO peace anywhere. Bring on the hydrogen economy... bring it on now.

It would seem that no matter how deep the condemnation of a group of people, nor their extreme behavior, can wipe out the conscience of even the most devout military personnel. There is division, division everywhere... it occurs in places where you would never expect to find it.... which shows just how similar we all may be, while maintaining our pronounced differences.

http://www.globalresearch.org/view_article.php?aid=776391488

>>Dr. Yigal Shohat, former combat pilot and Air Force Colonel
turned surgeon red a very personal and very thoughtful
'document humaine' with as the most sharp conclusion:

"I think F-16 pilots should refuse to bomb Palestinian cities.
When they get such an order they should imagine the city where
they live being bombed, and how they would react to the
destruction in its streets. You can't call the killing of
civilians during the bombing of a thickly populated urban area
'collateral damage'. When you bomb a city, civilians are going
to get hurt, you know it, and that makes it a war crime. (...)
I regret that I did not reach this political and moral maturity
while still being on active service."<<

[Warpy]

10. they think government sould control the military

and foreign policy. Beyond that, it has no function. They want courts controlled at the local level, no regulation of business and industry, no taxes on business and industry, and little tax on the rest of us. They see no role for the government in education, safety, public health, or protecting us against the tyranny of the rich and powerful.

They're dreamers.

[yella_dawg]

2. Libertarianism = Government Enforced Anarchy

Interesting concept, huh?

[IrateCitizen]

3. Originally, yes they were...

In reading Emma Goldman's autobiography, Living My Life, I was amazed at how often she used the word "libertarian" to describe her ideals.

Modern-day "libertarians" have "evolved", however, into a philosophy in which the only important concept seems to be property rights, and everything else is jettisoned.

[LoZoccolo]

4. No. (property rights)

Anarchists do not believe in government enforcement of private property rights, while libertarians favor very strong protections of private property rights. This is why libertarianism is a right-wing philosophy, because it establishes a hierarchy based on property ownership.

[necso]

5. Libertarians

believe in anarchy only in the "market".

Haven't met one yet who didn't believe in "social order".

[NashVegas]

6. Libertarians Seem More Pissed Off

Black bloc aside, the anarchists I've known were surprisingly positive individuals who were into constructive anarchy, trying to come up with ways to get things done in an unstructured atmosphere, how to deal with miscreants in a non-abusive fashion.

Libertarians seem to have a harsher idea of how to penalize those who won't play well with others. That is, the true libertarians, not the new-cons.

Both are idealists whose systems could never work on a large scale.

[necso]

9. "whose systems could never work on a large scale."

So true.

Sadly, libertarian "market theories" seem to rule the day here!

And considering the roots of Libertarianism, I have a hard time with the usage of the word "idealists". (No personal criticism intended.) By the same token couldn't Eugenists, etc, be considered "idealists"?

[On the Road]

8. They Have Different Beliefs on the Effect

of removing government. And on that basis I would have to disagree with both anarchists and Marxists.

Some anarchists are into substituting informal control by society for control by government -- sort of the libertarian end of Marxism.

[DBoon]

11. No

Anarchists believe in equality, direct democracy, pacifism, and small scale self-sufficient communities

Libertarians believe in profit.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

12. Not at all. At least in the the (modern) American sense.

Anarchism believes in a cooperative communitarian ideal. The community outweighs the individual. Socialism is part and parcel of Anarchism. Many Anarchists referred to themselves as "libertarians" before the word was perverted by the "me, me, and to hell with everyone else", so called Libertarians.

See the writings of Kropotkin, Bakunin, Tolstoy, Proudhon, Goldman, Gandhi, etc, for what Anarchism is all about.

BTW Anarchism and Anarchy are not interchangeable terms any more than Community and Communism are.