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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 08:28 PM
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Talking point: When was last time America made a foreign policy decision?
Chalabi moving the pile on behalf of Iran.

Mystery spy moving the pile on behalf of Israel.

When was the last time the Bush administration made a foreign policy decision based on the best interests of the United States?

This is a government out of control.
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smiley_glad_hands Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 08:31 PM
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1. Agreed
We need change from the top down.
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 08:31 PM
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2. They don't make decisions w/o taking hostages
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MikeG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 08:32 PM
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3. Aren't these supposed to be brilliant people? The GROWN-UPS?
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 08:34 PM
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4. i wouldn't balme it all on israel
Edited on Fri Aug-27-04 08:36 PM by bpilgrim
we have PLENTY of our OWN vital interest in the region.



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In 1956, M. King Hubbert predicted that US oil production would peak in the early 1970s. As a geophysicist, then working for Shell Oil, he was roundly criticized by the oil industry of the day. Nevertheless, US oil production did peak within one year of his prediction. US oil output has declined steadily and predictably ever since.

By observing the characteristics of individual oil fields, Hubbert developed a method that summed oil field production across all US oil fields. His method produces a Hubbert Peak that estimates when a country or geographic area will reach a peak in oil production.

What then is this peak oil? In simplest terms, peak oil is the point at which half the recoverable oil from any oil field has been pumped for distribution. It is the point in time when the field is half dry and the remaining half is yet to be extracted. It is also the point in time after which the field will typically produce less with each passing day.

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movonne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 08:37 PM
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5. Don't forget Saudi...remember I think it was Bandar that also saw
something that said "like no foreign eyes" I am beginning to believe that Saudi and Israel are running our foreign policy.
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salinen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 08:38 PM
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6. But Isreal is the 51st state
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 08:39 PM
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7. Who needs the UN when so many other countries run our foreign policy?
I guess Bush WAS acting multi-laterally after all -- whether he realized it or not.



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Raven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 08:40 PM
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8. NO WILL!!! It's not "a government out of control" it's
A GOVERNMENT OUT OF OUR CONTROL!!! OUR CONTROL...remember us Mr. Bush?
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 08:46 PM
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9. US govt making policy with AIPACs input isn't solely a feature of
bushco - their influence has been fucking up u.s. foriegn policy for decades.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 08:50 PM
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10. Wow. Interestingly phrased.
BushCo has never made a decision based on the best interests of the United States in our opinion. Which, in my opinion, is the opinion of the sane.

But the BushCo view of the USA is not ours. Theirs is a view, best I can describe it, of a Roman empire with cowboy boots instead of sandals, and country clubs with great golf courses instead of aqueducts. The villas, obedient slaves, and victorious army remain the same.

Chalabi and the Sharon government are merely useful puppets in pursuit of this great, if dangerously delusional, plan.

Portraying BushCo as the puppets of Chalabi and Sharon LETS THEM OFF THE HOOK. It says that they would have been good, except that evil people lied to them and betrayed them. IT GIVES THEM BACK THEIR INNOCENCE. It makes them tragic figures, instead of venal criminals.

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vetwife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 09:13 PM
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11. Hasn't done anything for domestic policy either..not for the US
Edited on Fri Aug-27-04 09:13 PM by vetwife
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Hornito Donating Member (460 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 09:15 PM
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12. Add, that the energy mafia, and the Saudis, and the control they
exert on Bush/Cheney, and you have policies NOT in the interests of 99.99% of Americans. The entire bunch are traitors, including Bush/Cheney, and they should all be impeached, tried, and given the most severe sentences allowed by law.
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TrustingDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 09:15 PM
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13. last one was...
when Bush said of Blair: ' he sure speaks good English for a foreigner'.
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coreystone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 10:10 PM
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14. Mr. Pitt, I do believe that Bush promised the American people...
Edited on Fri Aug-27-04 10:12 PM by coreystone
that we would not endeavor into "nation building". Whatever the real truth is behind the invasion of Iraq, there was certainly portrayed to the American people that "nation building" would be a fundamental aspect of replacing Saddam Hussein. Nation building is a foreign policy.

Is this a "flip-flop", or, was this an opportunity to change the proposed campaign promises of the 2000 election. I realize that after 9/11/2001 that circumstances of this country and the world changed considerably. However, since the validity of the purpose of our invasion of Iraq have been pretty much quelled, the current administration, has led the American people into a diversion of that purpose. There were no WMD's; there were no Al Queada connections to Saddam Hussein; there were no nuclear armament development programs that were realistically in place, and, there was a "bad guy" in country that Bush II deceivingly passed information to the media, to the politicians in Congress, and, ultimately to American people to "nation build" in Iraq was necessary. Not because Hussein and Iraq posed an immediate threat to this country, but, for reasons, which I hope, will become blatantly clear to the American citizenry and the world.

Keep up the good work....William Pitt of TruthOut, I always find your perspective upon the world to be quite informative and reliable.

coreystone
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