PLAME INDICTMENTS #18 -HIGH CRIMES & MISDEMEANORS-Tip of the Iceberg

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AMERICAN JUDAS -THE SELLING OF THE SECURITY OF AMERICAN & THE WORLD FOR 30 PIECES OF SILVER = Part 1

By Robert Paulsen & the DU Plame Think-Tank

Compiled From the Research by Posters on “The Plame Indictment Threads” At democraticunderground.com

A. Introduction

This paper is intended as a supplement to The Waterman Paper and an exploration into Goal #3: Why Cheney Exposed Plame.

It involves researching possible connections between businesses connected to Vice President Dick Cheney that may be associated with the sale of WMD components to countries in the Middle East and Asia.

In addition to reviewing known information regarding the “leaking” of CIA operative Valerie Plame’s identity and the nature of her work, there will be an overview of A.Q. Khan’s network of nuclear proliferation, a listing of compromising positions involving financial ties in Cheney’s past and finally an exploration into possible links connecting Cheney to nuclear proliferation markets for profit.


B. Valerie Plame’s “Sting Operation”

On July 14,2003, Robert Novak exposed Valerie Plame’s identity as a CIA agent in his syndicated column. He sourced his story to two senior White House officials. http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0602/p08s02-comv.html

It is important to understand that, as Plame’s husband, former Ambassador Joseph Wilson says,“Compromising the officer means compromising a career, a network, and every person with who the officer might have ever worked. Slips of the tongue cost people their lives.”(The Politics of Truth by Joseph Wilson, p.13.)

What was the nature of this career, this network that was compromised? Joe Klein hints at the broad outlines of this nature. “Furthermore, there is intense anger over the White House’s revealing the identity of Plame, who may have been active in a sting operation involving the trafficking of WMD components.”
(http://www.time.com/time/magazine/printout/0,8816,11010... )

According to Wayne Madsen, the cover company that Plame was connected with was a CIA firm called Brewster,Jennings & Associates. “Active since 1994, Brewster-Jennings was instrumental in tracking the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction (WMDs) and had agents or correspondents in a number of countries…Sensitive CIA operations that were compromised by the leak included companies, government officials, and individuals associated with the nuclear smuggling network of Pakistan’s chief nuclear scientist Abdul Qadeer
Khan.”(http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/062504_grand_... )
Yet in spite of, or perhaps as a result of, the compromises resulting from the leak, the CIA helped expose Khan’s network, according to Newsweek.. It involves a CIA investigation into a company in Malaysia called Scomi connected with an A.Q. Khan “middleman” named Bukhari Sayed Abu Tahir. Last August, the company's name was found stamped in bold letters on five crates of centrifuge parts seized en route to Libya. Since then Scomi has been at the center of an international detective story that has uncovered an astonishing global nuclearweapons "black market." All of it leads back to Pakistani scientist Abdul Qadeer Khan, who fathered the underground network. In pursuit of both profits and a kind of Islamic nuclear parity, Khan passed on equipment and know-how to Iran and Libya, and made offers to Iraq and most recently Syria, officials say. Khan also helped North Korea's covert program.(http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4270904 )

Is it possible that Plame’s “sting operation” directly tracked and helped expose the nuclear proliferation network of A.Q. Khan? If so, why was Plame’s operation exposed from the White House? Joe Klein says, “’Only a very high-ranking official could have had access to the knowledge that Plame was on the payroll’ of the CIA, an
intelligence source told me.” (http://www.time.com/time/magazine/printout/0,8816,11010... )
And Mohamed El Baradei says A.Q. Khan is just the tip of the nuclear iceberg. “Dr. Khan was not working alone,” International
Atomic Energy Association chief Mohamed El Baradei told reporters, adding he had help from people in many countries. (http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_7-2... )

Could Cheney have had a financial relationship with the Nuclear Walmart, which would have provided a motive for exposing Plame’s operation? We shall explore this in sections D and E of this paper.

First it is important to understand what is currently known about A.Q. Khan’s network before we uncover Cheney’s connection with it.
The purpose of this examination is not intended as a comprehensive index of the network, but as an exploration into some of the more sinister elements of the network that led to relationships not only among state sponsors of terrorism, but to relationships with terrorist organizations themselves.

C. A.Q. Khan’s Nuclear Walmart

Nuclear experts are aghast at the size of the network, which extends from Switzerland to Japan to Dubai. Over 30 years, Khan put together what Mohamed ElBaradei, head of the International Atomic Energy Agency, called "a veritable Wal-Mart" for nuclear-weapons buyers, a not-so-secret netherworld where proliferation meshed with globalization. Khan even held nuclear-related symposiums. "The horse is out of the barn. At this point, we can't stop the technology from spreading," says former Clinton official Gary Samore. One senior U.S. official told NEWSWEEK that Khan's role in destabilizing the 21st century will "loom up there" with Hitler's and Stalin's impact in the 20th. Even so, most of the A.Q. Khan network's key operatives will likely escape punishment, officials concede.(http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4270904 )

Who were some of the people and organizations connected with A.Q. Khan?

1. B.S.A. Tahir - The recent investigations into the clandestine nuclear proliferation activities of A.Q.Khan, the socalled
father of the Pakistan atom bomb, have revealed that Bukhary Seyed Abu Tahir, a Sri Lankan Tamil Muslim of Indian origin, married in Malysia and with business interests in Kuala Lumpur and Dubai, was one of the external kingpins of Pakistan's clandestine nuclear procurement network. In a speech at the National Defence University of Washington DC in February last, President Bush had described this Sri Lankan Tamilspeaking Muslim as the "chief financial officer and money-launderer" of A.Q.Khan's clandestine operations.(http://www.saag.org/papers11/paper1026.html )
As chief financial officer, B.S.A. Tahir played an important role in his connection with a Malaysian company called Scomi that will be explored in greater detail in section E of this paper.

2. Lashkar-e-Toiba - or LET is a terrorist group of Pakistan, consisting of Pakistani, Afghan and Arab cadres, headed by Pakistani office-bearers, with its headquarters at Muridke near Lahore. Its annual conventions at Muridke are attended, amongst others, by serving and retired officers of the Pakistani military and intelligence establishment, by serving and retired scientists of the Pakistani nuclear and missile establishment and by political leaders.
Amongst those, who regularly attend its annual conventions, are Lt. Gen. (retd) Hamid Gul and Lt.Gen.(retd) Javed Nasir, both former Directors-General of the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI),Dr. Abdul Qadir Khan, the selfstyled father of the Pakistani atom bomb, Dr.Sultan Bashiruddin Mahmood, the former scientist of the Pakistan
Atomic Energy Commission who was recently detained by the Pakistani authorities under US pressure for being in contact with bin Laden and Mohd.Rafique Tarar, former President of Pakistan.(http://www.saag.org/papers4/paper381.html )

To finance its day-to-day activities, the LeT leverages its contacts in Saudi Arabia as well as launches donation campaigns with overseas Pakistanis, especially middle class and wealthy Punjabis in Britain, Australia and the Middle East. According to Jane's Terrorism & Insurgency Centre, Osama bin Laden has also financed LeT activities until recently. The LeT, under its new name JuD, uses its outreach networks including schools, social service groups and religious publications to attract and brainwash recruits for jihad in Kashmir and other places.
(http://www.crikey.com.au/politics/2004/05/18-0003.html )

Lashkar-e-Toiba (LET) has been showing increasing interest in taking jihad to the Muslims of the Eastern Province of Sri Lanka. The LET is very close to the ISI and it would not have taken its initial moves to explore the possibility of using Sri Lanka as a clandestine base for its activties and for creating sleeper cells there without the knowledge and prior clearance of the ISI(http://www.saag.org/papers11/paper1026.html) Since
there is such a close relationship between ISI and this terrorist organization whose conventions ISI officials and A.Q. Khan attended, it is important to take a closer look at ISI, as well as another cited convention attendant, Dr. S.B. Mahmood, to uncover the relationship they share with al Qaeda and expose how their actions aided them.

a. Inter Services Intelligence Agency (ISI) The ISI plays a much more significant role in the Pakistani government than do its counterparts in other countries. Time Magazine has noted, "Even by the shadowy
standards of spy agencies, the ISI is notorious. It is commonly branded 'a state within the state,' or Pakistan's 'invisible government.'"

The ISI grew into its present form during the war between the Soviet Union and mujaheddin guerrillas in Afghanistan in the 1980s. The CIA thought the Afghan war could be Russia's own costly Vietnam War, and they funneled billions to the mujaheddin resistance to keep them a thorn in Russia's side. The strategy worked: Soviet soldiers withdrew from Afghanistan in 1989, and the Soviet Union collapsed two years later, partly due to the costs of the war. But the costs to keep the mujaheddin fighting were staggering, with estimates ranging between $6 billion and $40 billion. While a substantial portion of this amount came from the CIA and the Saudi Arabian government,
who were both funneling the money through the ISI, much of the cost was deferred by Afghanistan's opium trade. Although the Afghan war has ended, the ISI has continued to profit from opium. In 1999, the United Nations Drug Control Programme estimated that the ISI was making around $2.5 billion annually from the sale of illegal drugs. The drug trade helped unite the ISI and Osama bin Laden, who was said to have taken a 15% cut of the Afghan drug trade money in exchange for protecting smugglers and laundering their profits. By 1994,
the Taliban, a group of Muslim radicals studying in Pakistan, began conquering Afghanistan. The Taliban had been recruited by the ISI and molded into a fanatical force that conquered Afghanistan's capital by 1996. CNN reported, "The Taliban are widely alleged to be the creation of Pakistan's military intelligence . Experts say that
explains the Taliban's swift military successes." The ISI didn't create the Taliban simply for strategic reasons; they shared the Taliban's extreme radical vision. As the Wall Street Journal remarked in November 2001,"Despite their clean chins and pressed uniforms, the ISI men are as deeply fundamentalist as any bearded fanatic; the ISI created the Taliban as their own instrument and still supports it."
The relationship between the US and the ISI is hard to fathom. On September 4, 2001, ISI Director Mahmood Ahmed arrived in Washington, D.C. On September 10, a Pakistani newspaper reported on the visit, saying that it had "triggered speculation about the agenda of his mysterious meetings at the Pentagon and National Security Council" as well as meetings with CIA Director George Tenet, unspecified officials at the White House and the Pentagon, and his "most important meeting" with Mark Grossman, US Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs. In May 2001, both CIA Director George Tenet and Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage had visited South Asia. It's not known if they met with Mahmood or anyone else in the ISI, but according to credible news reports, Tenet had "unusually long" consultations with President Musharraf. It is also worth noting that Armitage is known for his "large circle of friends in the Pakistani military and ISI" as well as his connections to the Iran-Contra affair.

On the morning of September 11, Lt. Gen. Mahmood was at a breakfast meeting at the Capitol with the chairmen of the House and Senate Intelligence Committees, Senator Bob Graham (D) and Representative Porter Goss (R). The meeting was said to have lasted at least until the second plane hit the World Trade Center. Goss is a self-admitted 10-year veteran of the CIA's clandestine operations wing. Goss and
Graham were later the heads of the joint House-Senate investigation into the September 11 attacks, and Goss in particular made headlines for saying there was no "smoking gun" indicating that the government had sufficient foreknowledge to prevent the September 11 attacks.
(http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline/main/essays... )

1) Lt. Gen. Mahmood Ahmed - On October 7, 2001, Pakistani President Musharraf fired Lt. Gen. Mahmood Ahmed, the head of the ISI. The next day, some newspapers, mostly in India but also in Pakistan, shockingly said he was fired for his role in the 9/11 attacks. For instance, a Pakistani newspaper stated, "Lt. Gen. Mahmood Ahmed has been replaced after the FBI investigators established credible links between him and Umar Sheikh, one of the three militants released in exchange for passengers of the hijacked Indian Airlines plane in 1999... Informed sources said there were enough indications with the US intelligence agencies that it was at Gen. Mahmood's instruction that Sheikh had transferred 100,000 US dollars into the account of Mohammed Atta..."

In the US, surprisingly, the only mention was in a one short piece in the Wall Street Journal, mentioning that, "The US authorities ... confirm the fact that $100,000 wired to WTC hijacker Mohammed Atta from Pakistan by Ahmad Umar Sheikh at the insistence of General Mahmood."
(http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline/main/essays... )

2) Saeed Sheikh - He was born in Britain with the name Ahmed Omar Saeed Sheikh. In 1993 he emerged in Pakistan as a member of a militant group fighting for the liberation of Kashmir from India. Pakistan has been fighting India for years over control of Kashmir, and it appears Saeed was put on the ISI payroll around this
time, to help the Pakistani cause in Kashmir. In 1994, Saeed began training at a training camp in Afghanistan. He soon was teaching the classes. He developed close ties with al-Qaeda while training there. By the end of the year he was known as Osama bin Laden’s "favored son" or "my special son." Even more curiously, the Pittsburgh
Tribune-Review suggested in March 2002, "There are many in Musharraf's government who believe that Saeed Sheikh's power comes not from the ISI, but from his connections with our own CIA. The theory is that ... Saeed Sheikh was bought and paid for." (http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline/main/essays... )

While this exploration may seem like a diversion from finding the answer to why Valerie Plame had her cover blown as a CIA agent, it is intended to illustrate that the network was so vast that many relationships overlapped, and the CIA was no stranger to the network. Now, getting back to the focus of Plame’s operation, WMD trafficking, here is a seemingly altruistic organization created by a Lashkar-e-Toiba convention attendant whose actions are worth noting.

b.Ummah Tameer-e-Nau (UTN) - Reconstruction of the Muslim Ummah, a non-governmental organization whose stated mission was to conduct relief work and investment in Afghanistan. It was established by two wellrespected Pakistani nuclear scientists, Sultan Bashiruddin Mahmood and Chaudiri Abdul Majeed. Not much is known about Majeed. But Mahmood had a long career in Pakistan's nuclear program and held a variety of senior positions. The Associated Press reported on October 24, 2001 that officials in the Pakistan Atomic Energy
Commission (PAEC) said Mahmood had been a director for the nation's nuclear program and remained in key positions until his retirement. In publications, he is credited with playing a pioneering role in establishing the uranium enrichment project in Pakistan. Subsequently, Abdul Qadeer Khan took over and is known as the father
of Pakistan's uranium enrichment program. He ended his career as Director for Nuclear Power at the PAEC. For his outstanding contributions to Pakistan's nuclear program, he was awarded the prestigious Sitara-e-Imtiaz award by the President of Pakistan in March 1999. Mahmood is reported to have resigned from the PAEC in the spring of 1999 in protest of the government's willingness to sign the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty (CTBT) after Pakistan conducted a series of underground tests in May 1998. There was also pressure put on Mahmood to resign. The New York Times reported that the United States wanted Mahmood removed after it learned that he had sympathies for Islamic militant groups, including the Taliban. Mahmood was often publicly supportive of the Taliban in Pakistan and in speeches at
universities said that the Taliban was a model for Pakistan. Even after September 11th, Mahmood remained supportive of the Taliban, addressing a gathering of intellectuals in mid-October 2001 where he proposed a three-month cease-fire to resolve the situation in Afghanistan. Senior Pakistani officials reportedly were
concerned because Mahmood had been vocally advocating extensive production of weapon-grade plutonium and uranium to help equip other Islamic nations with these materials. According to the Washington Post, however, Mahmood and Majeed admitted that they had long discussions with al Qaeda officials in August 2001 about nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons. Pakistani intelligence officials
told the Washington Post that they believe that the scientists used UTN partially as a cover to conduct secret talks with bin Laden. During repeated UTN visits to Afghanistan, UTN directors and members met with bin Laden, al Qaeda leaders, and Mullah Omar and discussed the development of chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons; UTN has been linked to WAFA Humanitarian Organization and Al Rashid Trust, two other NGOs with ties to al Qaeda that have been designated as supporters of terrorism under Executive Order 13224.
During 2001, Mahmood met with Mullah Omar and bin Laden. During a follow-up meeting where bin Laden's associate indicated he had nuclear material and wanted to know how to use it to make a weapon, Mahmood provided information about the infrastructure needed for a nuclear weapon program and the effects of nuclear weapons; and after the fall of the Taliban regime, searches of UTN locations in Kabul yielded documents setting out a plan to kidnap a U.S. attaché and outlining basic nuclear physics related to nuclear weapons.
In the August 2001 meeting, Mahmood and his colleagues appear to have provided al Qaeda a road map to building nuclear weapons. This information is typically very helpful in understanding the steps that must be accomplished in making a nuclear weapon, identifying the necessary equipment and technology, and locating suppliers of key equipment. In addition, Mahmood and his colleagues appear to have recruited other scientists with more direct knowledge of making nuclear weapons. Transfer of sensitive nuclear weapons information could have happened in many ways. The scientists could have
provided direct assistance to al Qaeda's nuclear weapons program, including nuclear weapons and RDD information. They may have obtained secret documents during the course of their career that they passed to the Taliban or al Qaeda. They also could have been a "funnel" through which Pakistani nuclear weapons experts provided sensitive assistance, including documents or technical advice. The transfer of sensitive information by UTN officials or their colleagues may have occurred either in Pakistan or Afghanistan. UTN officials may have had another advantage. The success of Pakistan's nuclear weapons program depended on extensive illicit foreign procurement. Mahmood headed a large reactor project that also needed to import illicitly or secretly many items, including sensitive technology, materials, components, and manufacturing equipment. He and his colleagues must have had extensive information about procuring sensitive items for a
nuclear weapons program. Several UTN projects were aimed at reestablishing Afghanistan's manufacturing, scientific, and engineering capabilities in universities and industries. Projects focused on such reconstruction could have provided a convenient cover for importing sensitive items for WMD programs. Even if the procurement was illicit, a procurement effort is more likely to succeed if the exporting company believes it is sending items to a civil institution. Because many UTN projects were medical or humanitarian in nature, imports to these projects may have been exempt from the UN embargo on Afghanistan. Some nuclear dual-use equipment, such as vacuum furnaces, would have been hard to procure, especially for al Qaeda. The involvement of the Pakistani scientists may significantly eased the task of obtaining such equipment.

In late January 2002, Pakistan officials said that Pakistan decided not to press criminal charges against Mahmood and Majeed, despite concluding that the scientists violated a secrecy oath during trips to Afghanistan. The main reasons reported in the media were Pakistan's concern that a trial would cause further international
embarrassment and risk disclosure of nuclear secrets. (http://www.exportcontrols.org/pakscientists.html )

3. B.C.C.I. - BCCI was the largest criminal corporate enterprise ever, the biggest Ponzi scheme, the most pervasive money-laundering operation in history, the only bank - so far as anyone knows - that ran a brisk sideline business in both conventional and nuclear weapons, gold, drugs, turnkey mercenary armies, intelligence
and counterintelligence, shipping, and commodities from cement in the Middle East to Honduran coffee to Vietnamese beans.
Though it was fundamentally a financial fraud, BCCI itself was not a bank in any conventional sense. Or, more precisely, banking was only a part of the global organism, the ingeniously constructed platform from which its other lines of business were launched....
This "bank" possessed its very own diplomatic corps, intelligence network, and private army, its own shipping and commodities trading companies. And BCCI itself was so thoroughly enmeshed in the official affairs of Pakistan that it was often impossible to separate the two.
BCCI was bigger even than that: It was the unsettling next-stage evolution of the multinational corporation, the one the theorists had been predicting for years but which never seemed to be able to shed its sovereign boundaries. (General Motors and Mitsubishi are both good examples of this - huge companies with holdings and operations all over the world that nonetheless persist in being fundamentally American and Japanese entities.) In taking that step, BCCI became truly stateless and very nearly invisible to the authorities in each country where it did business.
{BCCI founder} Abedi had money to spare to underwrite the protocol department: In 1981 Ghulam Ishaq Khan granted BCCI a special tax-free status allowing Abedi to avoid tens of millions of dollars in taxes and to pour his huge Pakistan profits into one of his front companies and into Pakistan's atomic bomb project. Most of the millions that flowed through the foundation went to two uses: first, to investments - patently noncharitable - in a company called Attock Cement, owned by Abedi's associate and U.S. front man Ghaith Pharaon. The second beneficiary was something called the Ghulam Ishaq Khan Institute of Engineering Sciences and Technology. According to its brochures, the Ghulam Ishaq Khan Institute trains young scientists and engineers.

The reality is a little more ominous . . . The director of the institute is Dr. Abdul Qadeer Khan, the man most closely linked with Pakistan's efforts to develop nuclear weapons. Khan, a German-trained metallurgist, once worked as a classified enrichment plant in
the Netherlands, where he gained access to key plans. So important is he to the Pakistani national interest that even his whereabouts are considered a national secret.http://www.the-catbird seat.net/BCCI.htm

Right from its inception, the clandestine nuclear and missile project in Pakistan were treated as a top secret intel op of the ISI to ensure deniability. All payments to the foreign suppliers were made not from the accounts of the Govt of Pakistan, but from private accounts in the BCCI, which collapsed in 1991, and other Dubai and
Geneva based banks. These accounts were opened by the Gokul brothers of Geneva, one of whom was jailed for cheating in the UK after the collapse of the BCCI; Shaukat Aziz, Pakistan’s present Finance Minister, who was working in the Gulf for the Citibank in the 1990s; Dawood Ibrahim, the mafia leader who was designated by the US as an intl terrorist in Oct; Dubai-based Pakistani smugglers, and AQ Khan and other trusted Pakistani scientists.(http://www.kashmirherald.com/featuredarticle/nuclearjih... )

Given that A.Q. Khan began his network from such sinister and corrupt beginnings, this next relationship should come as no surprise.

4. Osama bin Laden –The following is an excerpt from an investigation by the Kashmir Herald into several of A.Q. Khan’s travels to Africa.
He had kept the Pakistani Foreign Office informed of his travels. The Foreign Office had instructed the Pakistani diplomatic missions in the countries visited by him to accord the due honours of protocol to him. In all the countries, he was received by officers of the Pakistani diplomatic missions and entertained by the heads of missions. In Sudan, he was accorded the honours of protocol generally given to a member of the Cabinet and called on the President of the country.

He was accompanied by senior serving scientists of Pakistan's nuclear establishment, who were among those responsible for Pakistan's military nuclear development. They could not have gone abroad and remained absent for days without the knowledge and clearance of the Government. At least one Lt.Gen. belonging to the Pakistan Army's Medical Corps, who had headed it, and two Brigadiers had accompanied him. They could not have gone and remained away from the country without the knowledge and clearance of the Military Headquarters.

The uranium enriched at KRL, Kahuta, used to come from Africa, mainly Niger. This partly explains the frequent travels of A.Q.Khan to Africa. From the accounts given by the Pakistani author, two intriguing questions arise:

Why did Khan consider it necessary to visit the site of a factory in Sudan, which became the target of US Cruise missile attacks after the explosions outside the US Embassies in Nairobi and Dar-es-Salaam by Al Qaeda in August 1998? The Americans had alleged at that time that this factory belonged to Osama bin Laden and was producing chemicals for weaponisation purposes. Denying this, the Sudanese authorities had claimed that it was producing anti-malaria drugs.

Why was he visiting frequently Timbuktu, which has apparently no importance from the nuclear point of view? Pakistani officials have alleged that he had illegally constructed a hotel there ( Hotel La Colombe?) in the name of his wife. If he was going there to supervise the construction of the hotel, he should have been accompanied by experts in building construction and the hotel industry. No such person accompanied him. He was always accompanied by scientists and Army officers associated with KRL and Tahir Mian, who was helping him in the procurement of centrifuges. It is reliably learnt from well-placed observers that it also came out during the recent interrogation of the associates of Khan in Pakistan's nuclear establishment that after Osama bin Laden shifted from Khartoum to
Afghanistan in 1996, Dr.Khan was also looking after bin Laden's extensive investments in the mining industry in
many African countries and that the money invested in the Timbuktu hotel had come from these investments of bin Laden. The Pakistani authorities have reportedly suppressed this information and not shared it with the US. (http://www.kashmirherald.com/featuredarticle/khanandbin... )

This investigation has yielded some amazing information. In addition to widespread government cooperation with the network that has not been reported to the US, A.Q. Khan obtained uranium from Africa, mainly from Niger, where Valerie Plame’s husband, Ambassador Joseph Wilson, discovered the evidence that Iraq was trying to obtain uranium there was a forgery. Most frightening is the extent of Khan’s relationship with bin Laden, apparently trusted enough to look after bin Laden’s investments in Africa. Only time will tell how much bin Laden profited, both in monetary terms and in expanding al Qaeda’s WMD potential, from the generosity of Khan’s nuclear Walmart.

5. Unnamed U.S. Firm - More than 20 firms - including at least one American company - have supplied rogue nations seeking nuclear arms, marking the first time a U.S. company has been linked to the black market network.
International Atomic Energy Agency Director GeneralMohamed ElBaradei, who is heading a probe into the illicit sales, avoided specifics on the locations of the companies in an interview with The Associated Press Friday. But a senior diplomat said at least one was in the United States - the first time in five months of investigations
by the U.N. nuclear agency that an American company has been implicated in the black market network headed by Pakistani scientist Abdul Qadeer Kahn.
(http://www.billingsgazette.com/index.php?id=1&display=r... )

What American company would possibly have had the means and the motive to risk potentially treasonous activity by profiting off black market nuclear proliferation to terrorist organizations and their state sponsors?

In the next two sections, an examination into the motives of why Dick Cheney, through his association with Halliburton, would have wanted a sting operation focused on A.Q. Khan’s nuclear Walmart terminated will be conducted, as well as an exploration into how the profits from such a treacherous enterprise could possibly have been laundered.

D. Compromising Positions in Cheney's Past

1. Cheney helped cover-up Pakistani nuclear proliferation in 1989 so US could sell country fighter jets. - When Pakistan's clandestine program involving its top nuclear scientist selling rogue nations, such as Iran and North Korea, blueprints for building an atomic bomb was uncovered last month, the world's leaders waited, with baited
breath to see what type of punishment George W. Bush would inflict upon Pakistan's President Pervez Musharaff. Bush has, after all, spent his entire term in office talking tough about countries and dictators that conceal weapons of mass destruction and even tougher on individuals who supply rogue nations and terrorists with the
means to build WMD. For all intents and purposes, Pakistan and Musharraf fit that description. Remember, Bush accused Iraq of harboring a cache of WMD, which was the primary reason he gave for the
United States launching a preemptive strike on that country a year ago, and also claimed that Iraq may have
given its WMD to al-Qaeda terrorists and/or Syria, weapons that, Bush said, could be used to attack the U.S.

Bush,Vice President Dick Cheney and top members of the administration reacted with shock when they found out that Abdul Qadeer Khan, Pakistan's top nuclear scientist, spent the past 15 years selling outlaw nations nuclear technology and equipment. So it was sort of a surprise when Bush, upon finding out about Khan's proliferation of nuclear technology, let Pakistan off with a slap on the wrist. But it was all an act.

In fact, it was actually a coverup designed to shield Cheney because he knew about the proliferation for more than a decade and did nothing to stop it.

Like the terrorist attacks on 9-11, the Bush administration had mountains of evidence on Pakistan's sales of nuclear technology and equipment to nations vilified by the U.S. nations that are considered much more of a threat than Iraq but turned a blind eye to the threat and allowed it to happen. In 1989, the year Khan first started selling nuclear secrets on the black-market; Richard Barlow, a young intelligence analyst working for the Pentagon prepared a shocking report for Cheney, who was then secretary of defense under the Bush I
administration: Pakistan built an atomic bomb and was selling its nuclear equipment to countries the US. said was sponsoring terrorism. But Barlow's findings, as reported in a January 2002 story in Mother Jones magazine, were "politically inconvenient."

"A finding Pakistan possessed a nuclear bomb would have triggered a congressionally mandated cutoff of aid to the country, a key ally in the CIA's efforts to support Afghan rebels fighting a pro-Soviet government. It also would have killed a $1.4-billion sale of F-16 fighter jets to Islamabad," Mother Jones reported. Ironically,
Pakistan, critics say, was let off the hook last month so the U.S. could use its borders to hunt for al-Qaeda leader and alleged 9-11 mastermind Osama bin Laden. Cheney dismissed Barlow's report because he desperately wanted to sell Pakistan the F-16 fighter planes. Several months later, a Pentagon official was told by Cheney to downplay Pakistan's nuclear capabilities when he testified on the threat before Congress. Barlow complained to his bosses at the Pentagon and was fired.
(http://www.pakistanfacts.com/article.php/2004031621042... )

During the time that Barlow prepared his report on Pakistan, Bryan Siebert an Energy Department analyst, was looking into Saddam Hussein's nuclear program in Iraq. Siebert concluded that "Iraq has a major effort under way to produce nuclear weapons," and said that the National Security Council should investigate his findings. But the Bush administration—which had been supporting Iraq as a counterweight to the Ayatollah Khomeini's Iran—ignored the report, the magazine reported. "This was not a failure of intelligence," Barlow told Mother Jones. "The intelligence was in the system." (http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/031004Leop... )

Cheney went to great lengths to cover-up Pakistan's nuclear weaponry. In a New Yorker article published on March 29, 1993, investigative reporter Seymour Hersh quoted Barlow as saying that some high-ranking
members inside the CIA and the Pentagon lied to Congress about Pakistan's nuclear arsenal so as not to sacrifice the sale of the F-16 fighter planes to Islamabad, which was secretly equipped to deliver nuclear weapons. Pakistan's nuclear capabilities and had become so grave by the spring of 1990 that then CIA deputy director Richard Kerr said the Pakistani nuclear threat was worse than the
Cuban Missile crisis in the 1960s. "It was the most dangerous nuclear situation we have ever faced since I've been in the U.S. government," Kerr said in an interview with Hersh. "It may be as close as we've come to a nuclear exchange. It was far more frightening than the Cuban missile crisis."

Still, in 1989 Cheney and others in the Pentagon and the CIA continued to hide the reality of Pakistan's nuclear threat from members of Congress. Hersh explained in his lengthy New Yorker article that reasons behind the cover-up "revolves around the fact . . . that the Reagan Administration had dramatically aided Pakistan in its pursuit of the bomb."
(http://www.newyorker.com/archive/content/?040119fr_arch... )

In addition to these three sources that corroborate the fact that Cheney knew about A.Q. Khan’s network and rather than report it, chose to profit through sales to Pakistan of fighter jets that could deliver nuclear weapons, Cheney was caught on another case of nuclear proliferation.

2. Halliburton fined $1.2 million in 1995 for selling dual-use nuclear equipment to Libya. - Halliburton came under fire in the early '90s for supplying Libya and Iraq with oil drilling equipment which could be used to detonate nuclear weapons. Halliburton Logging Services, a former subsidiary, was charged with shipping six pulse neutron generators through Italy to Libya. In 1995, the company pled guilty to criminal charges that it violated the U.S. ban on exports to Libya. Halliburton was fined $1.2 million and will pay $2.61 million in civil penalties.

During his chairmanship of Halliburton, Cheney criticized U.S. sanctions against "rogue" nations such as Iran and Libya in a 1998 speech. According to a July 26, 2000, Washington Post story, Cheney complained the sanctions "are nearly always motivated by domestic political pressure, the need for Congress to appeal to some domestic
constituency."
(http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/onpolitics/article... )

3. Current criminal probe - - A grand jury issued a subpoena to oil field services company Halliburton Co. seeking information about its Cayman Islands unit's work in Iran, where it is illegal for U.S. companies to operate, Halliburton said on Monday.The company,formerly headed by Vice President Dick Cheney, said it understood the investigation of its subsidiary's work in Iran had been transferred to the U.S. Department of Justice from the Treasury Department,which first initiated an inquiry in 2001.(http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&s... )

4. Existing Halliburton ties to Vice President Dick Cheney – Rather than crack down on Halliburton, however, the Bush administration's Energy Task Force, which was headed by Cheney, presented a draft report in April 2001 saying the United States should reevaluate the sanctions against Iran, Iraq, and Libya that prohibited U.S. oil companies from “some of the most important existing and ‘prospective’ petroleum-producing countries in the
world.” Cheney asserted there was no conflict on his part because “Since I left Halliburton to become George Bush’s vice president, I’ve severed all my ties with the company, gotten rid of all my financial interest.” Cheney neglected to mention that he was still due approximately $500,000 in deferred compensation from Halliburton and could potentially profit from his 433,333 shares of unexercised Halliburton stock options. A Congressional Research Service report requested by Senate Democrats concluded that unexercised stock options in a private corporation, as well as deferred salary received from a private corporation, were “retained
ties” or “linkages” to a former employer and should be reported as “financial interests.”(House of Bush House of Saud by Craig Unger, p. 225.)

Since Halliburton continues to engage in business practices with state sponsors of terrorism and Cheney continues to profit from it, all that is left to do is, in the words of Deep Throat, “Follow the money.”

The proceeding section uses circumstantial evidence to show a relationship between several individuals and companies through which the unnamed US firm in Khan’s nuclear Walmart,presumably Halliburton, profited from nuclear proliferation.

E. Links in the Chain Connecting Cheney with Nuclear Proliferation]/b]

1. B.S.A. Tahir – Remember this man from Section C? This associate of A.Q. Khan who was identified by President Bush in a speech as the nuclear Walmart’s"chief financial officer and money launderer. "
(http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4270904 )
BSA TAHIR, a SRI LANKAN businessman based in DUBAI was a trusted and close confidante of A. Q. Khan and was actively involved in supplying centrifuge components for Libya's uranium-enrichment program. BSA TAHIR,who was involved in the business of SCOMI PRECISION ENGINEERING SDN BHD (SCOPE). He used the company to produce components for the centrifuge unit for the uranium enrichment program.

However, investigations have revealed that the components, on their own, cannot form a complete centrifuge unit. In this context, it has to be noted that SCOPE is a subsidiary of SCOMI GROUP BHD, i.e. a company involved in the petroleum services industry. As a subsidiary, SCOPE is also involved in precision engineering services, which involves the production of components for a variety of equipments
including parts for cars, petroleum and gas. This makes evident that SCOPE could not be labeled as a company directly involved in nuclear proliferation.
Furthermore, the supply of components by middlemen was carried out in a discreet manner and involved suppliers from other countries to blur the sources of the components. Some of the suppliers were believed to be aware that these components could be for uranium enrichment centrifuges. Generally these suppliers mostly from Europe were those who had dealings with the nuclear expert since the 1980s, at a time when PAKISTAN was developing its nuclear technology. There were a number of individuals and companies which supplied the components but were unaware of the implications because some of the components were similar to components used in oil drilling, water treatment and equipment for several other general use.(http://icssa.org/Nuclear_Malaysia.htm )

Which companies could possibly have been connected with the suppliers that helped blur the source of the components?
Amazingly, a connection between Scomi and Halliburton can be established with only one other company serving as a buffer between the two: Cognis.

a. Cognis – Service specialist Scomi Group Bhd, is offering multinational oil and gas companies a special fluid to
make offshore drilling friendlier to the sea and its inhabitants. Scomi, together with German chemicals specialist, Cognis Gmbh, offers ester-based drilling fluid derived from palm kernel oil. The agreement is between Scomi’s wholly-owned Kota Minerals & Chemicals Sdn Bhd (KMC) and Cognis’ 50%-owned unit, Cognis Oleochemicals (M) Sdn Bhd.
(http://www.mida.gov.my/beta/news/view_news.php?id=398 )

Sounds like a perfectly benign, perhaps even altruistic enterprise. How is this company connected with Halliburton? It’s through collaboration with one of Halliburton’s subsidiary companies,Baroid.

b. Baroid – The drilling fluids containing esters based on renewable natural resources are developed by Cognis in collaboration with Baroid, the drilling fluids service company within the Halliburton Energy Services Group.
(http://bbriefings.com/cdps/cditem.cfm?NID=252&CID=10&CF... )

To reiterate the serpentine link, A.Q. Khan's financial officer (money launderer) was B.S.A. Tahir. Tahir used Scomi to produce components for the centrifuge unit for the uranium enrichment program. Scomi, through its company KMC, worked with Cognis Oleochemicals. Cognis is connected with Baroid (part of the Halliburton Group). But the extent of Halliburton/Cheney profiting from nuclear proliferation does not stop there. And Cheney is not the only member of the Bush administration to profit from it.

2. Donald Rumsfeld - Rumsfeld was on ABB board during deal with North Korea. The Swiss-based ABB on Friday told swissinfo that Rumsfeld was involved with the company in early 2000, when it netted a $200 million (SFr270million) contract with Pyongyang. The ABB contract was to deliver equipment and services for two nuclear power stations at Kumho, on North Korea’s east coast. Rumsfeld – who is one of the Bush administration’s most strident “hardliners” on North Korea – was a member of ABB’s board between 1990 and February 2001, when he left to take up his current post. Wolfram Eberhardt, a spokesman for ABB, told swissinfo that Rumsfeld “was at nearly all the board meetings” during his decade-long involvement with the
company.
(http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=10... )

It's a well-known fact--oft detailed in this column--that the boys in the Bush Regime swing both ways. We speak, of course, of their proclivity--their apparently uncontrollable craving--for stuffing their trousers with loot from both sides of whatever war or military crisis is going at the moment. That's why it came as no surprise to read last week that just before he joined the Regime's crusade against
evildoers everywhere (especially rogue states that pursue the development of terrorist-ready weapons of mass destruction), Pentagon warlord Donald Rumsfeld was trousering the proceeds from a $200 million deal to send the latest nuclear technology--including plenty of terrorist-ready "dirty bomb" material--to the rogue state of
North Korea, Neue Zurcher Zeitung reports.

In 1998, Rumsfeld was citizen chairman of the Congressional Ballistic Missile Threat Commission, charged with reducing nuclear proliferation . Rumsfeld and the Republican-heavy commission came down hard on the deal Bill Clinton had brokered with North Korea to avert a war in 1994: Pyongyang would give up its nuclear weapons
program in exchange for normalized relations with the United States, plus the construction of two nonweaponized nuclear plants to generate electricity. The plants were to be built by an international consortium of government-backed business interests called KEDO.
Whatever happened to Bush's much-trumpeted "era of responsibility?"

These guys are not only chiselers, hustlers, hypocrites and war profiteers--they're a bunch of gutless wonders as well. So you'll pardon us if we are just the tiniest bit cynical about the "moral arguments for war" and other such buckets of warm spit this gang is
now forcing down the world's throat.(http://www.counterpunch.org/floyd03042003.html )

It’s bad enough for Rumsfeld to profit off selling nuclear equipment to North Korea. But it doesn’t end there, the organizations
involved in this transaction link back to Halliburton once again.

a. KEDO - ABB, which was already building eight nuclear reactors in South Korea, had an inside track on the $4 billion U.S.-sponsored North Korea project. The firm was told "our participation is essential, " recalls Frank Murray, project manager for the reactors. (He plays the same role now at Westinghouse, which was acquired by Britain's BNFL in 1999, a year before it also bought ABB's nuclear power business.) The North Korean reactors are being primarily funded by South Korean and Japanese export-import banks and supervised by KEDO, a consortium based in New York. "It was not a matter of favoritism," says Desaix Anderson, who ran KEDO from 1997 to 2001."It was just a practical matter. "(www.worldmessenger.20m.com/news4.html)

b. KNOC - The KEDO (Korean Peninsula Energy Development Organization) is the official Korean government energy corporation. By reading their 2001 energy development summary one can make out all the myriad
countries that contribute to KEDO. North Korea lacks necessary production facilities to drill and test for its oil. It is reaching out to many firms and countries to help them while the government attempts to develop some oil fields with as much capital as it can muster. A Singapore firm recently announced (August 29, 2002) significant oil and gas reserves in North Korea. Additionally, Halliburton has partnered with KNOC to develop offshore drilling platforms in South Korea.(www.rmfdevelopment.com/political/NorthKoreaOil.htm)

Yet another serpentine link through which money could be laundered into the willing hands of Halliburton.

Rumsfeld-ABB-KEDO-KNOC-Halliburton.
But were these links completely separate, or is it possible that there were any other companies besides Halliburton involved with both links of possible proliferation profits? One company not previously mentioned has relationships with companies on both links.

3. Goldman Sachs – a lucrative investment firm that is listed quite prominently as one of the main investors in Cognis on their website.(http://www.cognis.com/framescout.html?/company/company.... )

Also there is a link with Donald Rumsfeld to two organizations, Bilderberg and ABB through the chairman of Goldman Sachs,General Peter Sutherland from Ireland.

Some of the Western world's leading financiers and foreign policy strategists attend Bilderberg. Rumsfeld is an active Bilderberger. So is General Peter Sutherland from Ireland, a former European Union commissioner and chairman of Goldman Sachs and of BP. Rumsfeld and Sutherland served together in 2000 on the board of the Swedish/Swiss energy company ABB.
( http://www.factindex.com/b/bi/bilderberg_group.html )

These links are not in and of themselves direct proof of the laundering of nuclear proliferation profits. But they are proof of a relationship between these companies sharing common goals, through which individuals involved in nuclear proliferation, and there were many in these companies, could operate their network covertly.

F. Conclusions and Recommendations – To conclude, this paper asserts that Dick Cheney is directly responsible for the leaking of Valerie Plame’s name that resulted in sabotaging her CIA career and her cover company,Brewster, Jennings & Associates. CIA operations that were compromised by the leak were associated with A.Q.Khan’s network of nuclear smuggling. Khan’s network, vast enough to be dubbed by IAEA chief Mohamed El Baradei a “nuclear Walmart”, was examined here for the connections it has with terrorist organizations and state sponsors, as well as areas in which the CIA could have been following their activities.

It proves conclusively that Dick Cheney knew about A.Q. Khan’s nuclear Walmart as early as 1989, and chose not to expose the network but to profit from it, which gives him the strongest motive to blow Valerie Plame’s cover.

State sponsors of terror that were proven recipients of Cheney’s nuclear proliferation include Pakistan, Libya and possibly Iran. The links between Khan and Cheney involved suppliers from other countries designed to blur the source of the components, but research concludes individuals affiliated with collaborative companies such as Cognis and their investor Goldman Sachs would be the most obvious links in the chain.

Such links also exist in the case of Donald Rumsfeld profiting through ABB’s $200 million sale of nuclear equipment to North
Korea, which would prove that Halliburton profited from this example of nuclear proliferation as well.

The main recommendation to all who read this is to spread the word. Anyone who reads this who is in a positionto investigate this matter further, whether as an activist, investigative reporter or government official, should do so with care and thoroughness. The names and organizations listed in the paper should,with a proper investigation, lead to more damaging evidence that will help solve the crime and establish justice.

That is perhaps the most important aspect of this case to remember, that regardless of the prestige and power connected with the parties involved, this is a criminal investigation. It is hoped that no matter what your political persuasion is, that as a law abiding citizen, you stand with us in condemnation of the exposure of Valerie
Plame’s identity as a CIA agent as a highly criminal act, and join us in the pursuit of justice for the perpetrators.
______________________________________________________________________

[whistle]

1. A long post, but worth the read....

...I downloaded a copy in Word (14 pages:P ) I'll re-read more carefully later. Thanks for your efforts.

[Pallas180]

2. Toll Free Phone # To Congress 1 800 839 5276

use it and let them know you want judicial hearings and
criminal charges brought against these people who have
been committing treason against the US for more than 20
years while inside the government.

[Pallas180]

3. The Danger To The Constitutional Democracy by Waterman

THE DANGER TO THE CONSTITUTIONAL DEMOCRACY BY Waterman Jul-25-04


The Revolutionary Presidency vs The Bill of Rights


1) Introduction

This paper will examine the dangers to constitutional democracy posed by the Bush Administration. It will review the concepts of separation of federal powers, the practice of the balancing of those powers, and scrutinize several areas where Bush/Cheney have corrupted this constitutional system that our democracy is based upon.

This paper will focus primarily on how the growing menace of an Imperial Presidency of the Nixon era has become the threatening reality of the Revolutionary Presidency today.

2) The Balance of Powers

A- The theories behind the constitutional democracy of the United States are the "distinctive American contribution(s) to the art of government." (The Imperial Presidency; Schelsinger; pg vii)

The idea of the 13 Colonies forming a confederate federal state came directly from meetings between Founding Fathers, primarily Ben Franklin, and the Grand Council of the Haudenosaunee, or Six Nations Iroquois Confederacy. Jefferson was influenced by the Iroquois' concepts of the freedoms of individuals; these, along with the contributions of progressive European thought (found primarily in France), led to the Bill of Rights.

However, in European history, governments had assumed a unified authority that allowed them to control, and deny, basic human rights to citizens of the state. Jefferson and Madison and others created the more perfect union, which allowed citizens to control the government through a series of checks and balances implied in the separation of powers on the federal level.

B- The three branches of the federal government are the executive, legislative, and judiciary. These three are intended to form a balanced triangle. The separation of powers is not intended to make all three to be locked into an equal status; rather, it offers checks and balances that creates an inertia that keeps any one branch from assuming unlimited powers. The goal, according to Justice Brandis (Myers v US 1926) is "not to promote efficiency, but to preclude the exercise of arbitrary power."

The executive, or the office of the president, has the implied power to provide leadership in emergency situations. In our early history, from the Revolutionary to the Civil War, this power was used only to respond to threats to the safety of citizens ( re: pirate attacks, which generally came from Tripoli, and which share important parallels with today's situation) and wars with foreign nations.

In these cases, these emergency powers were onlyintended for a brief period, before congressional controls took over. The Senate is the seat of the actual war powers. Further, according to Supreme Court Justice James Wilson, "The House of Representatives ... forms the grand inquest of the state. They will dilegently inquire into grievences, arising both from men and things." (Grand Inquest; New York; 1961; pgs 22-30)

C- The history of democracy has been imperfect in the United States. The most basic rights have been denied to both groups and individuals, based upon their sex, age, race, and religion. Issues including gay marriage show that we still have a long way to go.

Yet, for all of its faults, our constitutional democracy has shown the greatest of promise. The efforts of each generation of Americans has brought us closer to providing the rights of free people to a larger, more inclusive population. This is a great nation.

From the Revolutionary to the Civil War was known as the "Golden Age" of the congress.Also, the sequence of presidents, and the series of federal courts moved the nation towards the promise of the Founding Fathers, found in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.

The reasons were found not only in those great documents, but in that separation and balance of powers at the federal level. These insured the Bill of Rights was a living entity. In fact, while many today note that President Lincoln suspended habeas corpus during the Civil war, there "was no effective censorship, no Sedition Act, no Espiionage Act." (Schlesinger; pg 335)

However, after the Civil War, changes in the economy which were a result of the change from an agrarian to industrial national base, led directly to unprecedented influence of business on the national politics. This new level of extreme corruption led Mark Twain to refer to the phenomenon as the "Gilded Age" of politics.

It is important to note that all of industry would be connected, either directly or indirectly, to the production of oil. By 1870, all of the economies of the industrialized nations were based on oil. The significance of this is explored in greater detail in the book, "Farewell America."

D- Business interest rapidly became central to the decision-making processes of (1) citizens electing officials to the legislative and executive branches; and (2) the domestic and foreign policies of those elected officials in both branches. While the federal courts are defined as the branch that is supposed to "do the least harm to democracy," the changes in the executive and legislative branches created changes in the judiciary, just as surely as the pulling of two sides of a triangular mobile suspende above the crib of democracy.

Thus: (1) the president begins to increasingly dominate the legislative process; (2) the congress increasingly delegates its authority to the president; and (3) the federal courts tend to become "activist" to offset congressional impotence. And despite the best of intentions, and while acknowledging the value of many progressive decisions, the federal courts should not be "activist," as the dangers posed by current federal courts demonstrate.

3) Threats to our Constitutional Democracy

The deteriorative influences of business interests on the separation of federal powers accelerated during WW2. If we examine the relationship of the competition of the world economy on American political life, we can note a progression in the executive branch (including FDR, Truman, Ike, JFK, & LBJ) moving towards the Imperial Presidency of the Nixon Era. The two areas where this threat to our constitutional democracy were concentrated were (a) the war powers, and (b) secrecy. (Schlesinger)

The history of the war powers in terms of the president responding to a threat to the nation's security evolved significantly after WW2. This was due to the influence of the military industrial complex. All American foreign policy, with the exception of some initial attempts by JFK which ended on 11-22-1963, equated the access to foreign resources with national security, and domestic security with bureaucratic secrecy.

This was in opposition to the 64th Federalist Paper, in which John Jay interpreted the Constitution to recognize but two needs for federal secrecy: (1) diplomatic negotiations, and (2) intelligence.

Democracy by its very nature demands the disclosure of information by all three branches of government. Even among the widely varying opinions of the Founding Fathers, there was complete agreement that the free diffusion of information was vital to insure a stable federal government.

Yet as the executive branch created an elastic definition of "national security," the presidents began a more undemocratic relationship with the bureaucracies of the military indistrial complex. And the instinct of bureaucracy is "to increase the superiority of the professionally informed by keeping their knowledge and intentions secret." (Max Weber: Essays in Sociology; Grath & Mills; New York; 1946)

4) External Threats to our Constitutional Democracy

The external threats to the USA from WW2 to the prsent tend to fit into three groups: the Nazi/ Axis powers; the communist menace; and the Islamic terrorist/"axis of evil" group of today. With the exceptions of Pearl Harbor and 9-11, all defined threats to our national interest tended to be defined as occuring in other countries, either to American business interests, or to trading partners. The cultural implications of Pearl Harbor and 9-11 are obvious.

Another external threat to our national security has become known to a large segment of our population through a cultural phenomenon, Michael Moore's movie "F 9-11." The threat is posed by foreign investments going beyond a few acres of land, or shares in a corporate stock. F 9-11 demonstrates clearly that a significant segment of our economy is controlled by foreign governments. One, for example, is Saudi Arabia. The Saudi royal family shows no appreciation for constitutional democracy.

Moore's movie demonstrates that the Saudi royal family is able to compromise the balance of powers in our federal government. Their influence with the Bush administration has stopped a serious investigation into what role they played in the 9-11 attack on the USA; allows them to manipulate what information becomes known to the American public; and interferes with the legal system, when James Baker represents the Saudis in a court action filed by the families of 9-11 victims.

5) The Revolutionary Presidency

The danger to our constitutional democracy could be measured in 2003 by the following: (a) the Bush administration was comprised almost exclusively by people with ties to business that define "conflicts of interest;" (b) both houses of congress, if not impotent, had at least agreed to a legislative abstinence of duty; the only elected representitives who attempted to stand up to the executive were from "minority" populations; and (c) the US Supreme Court had disgraced the judicial institution with its 2000 selection of Bush for president, based entirely upon political and economic interests.

The dangers of an imperial presidency pales in comparison to the current threat posed by the revolutionary presidency. Consider that: (a) George Bush has become the most absolute monarch of any world power in today's world. Add to that the fact that VP Cheney has more concentrated power than any dictator in world history, including Mao Tse-tung; (b)the congress is divided and weakened. The Senate has lost any control over the White House urge for increased war-making, and the House of Representatives no longer enquires into grievences, unless they concern issues such as oral sex rather than Enron, 9-11, the Plame exposure, or the disenfranchisement of tens of thousands of black citizens in Florida; and (c) the idea of 13 Colonies demanding freedom of speech is disgraced by 13 states having "libel" laws making it illegal to express concerns about food farms, or the safety of related "agro-business" food products. (Crimes Against Nature; Robery Kennedy, Jr)

6) You Reap What You Sow

The Bush administration rules through fear, the "threats" to national security that they define, through manipulating the 9-11 national emergency, and through secrecy. Their policies pose a threat to individual liberties in order to benefit business interests, and they are the greatest threat to constitutional democracy today. The extent of this threat is exposed by a series of books associated with John Dean, Richard Clarke, Paul O'Neill, Robery Kennedy, Jr., and many others. It is also exposed to grass-roots America by the movie "F 9-11."

The reaction of the administration is to attempt to discredit the individuals involved in exposing the political corruption of this administration. This is not a new tactic. Before the FBI focused on Martin Luther King's sex life, before the COINTELPRO operations of the 1960s and '70s, we remember the efforts of two congressional leaders in the mid-50s. Senator Thomas Hennings, Jr. and Rep. John Moss questioned the bureaucratic secrecy that threatened the democratic system, by discussing why the government labled a Pentagon study of the bow & arrow ("Silent Flashless Weapons") as "top secret."
They were accused of threatening national security.

This administration and its corporate sponsors, including the news media, are involved in a similar campaign to discredit critics. This campaign includes Ambassador Joseph Wilson. (see Plame Indictment Threads #1-12)

An unintended consequence of the high level of bureaucratic secrecy is that it leads to no respect for individual secrecy. This is evident from a reading of the Patriot Act: things like medical and library records, which should be protected by the US Constitution, are no longer private.

Further, the exposure of Valerie Plame as a CIA operative stands as the moststark example of the administration's contempt for the rights to privacy implied by the Constitution.

7) Conclusion

At the time of the American Revolution, the "founding fathers" met in secret. They were almost exclusively from the "upper class," and needed to keep their actions secret from King George. While they may have spoken more openly as individuals, their group efforts were not known to the upper class, including the newspapers of the day.

However, the middle class and the poor spread the word. They were aware of King George's spies, so they spread the word on a democratic underground. It took root -- and grass roots democracy has been the most important part of the foundation for this country ever since. The grass roots are more powerful than those three branches of the federal government.

We're in similar circumstances today. Our president is no more in favor of democracy than old King George was. We have two chances of kicking him out of power. The most obvious is the election in November. But there's also the Plame Indictments.

If there is any life breath in the balance of powers, the legislative and judiciary must do their jobs. This is a criminal outfit. There are now numerous "upper class" people organizing to hold this administration liable for their crimes. It's not just democrats hoping to reclaim the presidency in 2004. It's a wide range of citizens who know that Bush and Cheney intend to fully destroy the constitutional democracy we should enjoy.

You and I aren't meeting in their secret get-togethers. We're that grass-roots democratic power. Our primary job is to continue to educate the public, register voters, and increase participation in those treasures defined by the Bill of Rights. Please work to spread the message about the Plame Indictments. We've seen a preview of the administration's late summer counter-offensive.

Let's expose them as totally offensive.

Thank you,
H2O Man

[Pallas180]

4. The Waterman Paper as published on the front page of DU

The Waterman Paper (Plame Affair - High Crimes & Misdemeanors)

The Waterman Paper (as published on the Home Page of Democratic Underground)

The Waterman Paper
By H2O Man


This paper examines the possibility that Vice President Dick Cheney orchestrated the "leaking" of CIA operative Valerie Plame's identity to the news media in the summer of 2003, in order to accomplish three goals.

These include (1) to punish Joseph Wilson for challenging "16 words" in President Bush's 1-28-03 State of the Union address; and (2) to intimidate other sources from publicly challenging the White House's version of events involving the "war on terrorism" and the US invasion of Iraq. Both of these goals are well-known from numerous reports on this White House scandal.

The other, (3) is that VP Cheney was attempting to derail an investigation that Plame may have been involved in at the time that her identity was exposed. This third potential goal has not been the subject of any major media attention.
The author of this paper put it forward on an internet forum, the Democratic Underground, in early July, 2004. The resulting eleven DU "threads," which consist of over 3,000 posts from interested citizens across the country, is the only known forum debating this theory.

Besides the eleven DU "Plame Indictment" threads, the information in this paper comes from the following four sources: The Politics of Truth, by Joseph Wilson; Worse Than Watergate, by John Dean; Don't Tread on Joseph Wilson, NYT book review by John Dean on 5-23-04; and Plenty to Swear About, by Joe Klein, Time, 7-5-04.

Time Line

While the case involving Wilson's investigation in Niger, and the White House's efforts to expose Plame is long and complicated, this paper will focus on a "time line" established by Wilson in his book.

1. Jan '02: The first reports of a Niger-Iraq uranium connection surface in the White House.

2. Feb '02: Wilson is asked to investigate by the CIA.

3. March '02: Wilson returns from Niger and briefs the CIA on the investigation. His conclusion supports those of two others that there was no Niger-Iraq connection.

4. Jan '03: Bush includes the "16 words" in his State of the Union address.

5. On or about March 5, '03: the CIA gives VP Cheney an oral report, informing him of Wilson's conclusions.

6. March 7, '03: the IAEA announces the US's documents on Niger-Iraq are forgeries.

7. March 8, '03: (a) a State Department spokesperson admits, "We fell for it" in regard to the forged document; (b) Wilson tells CNN that the State Department has more information on the subject; and (c) a workshop meeting is held in VP Cheney's office. It is attended by top republican officials, possibly including Cheney, Scooter Libby, and Newt Gingrich. The group discusses ways to discredit Wilson.

8. June 8, '03: Condoleeza Rice denies knowledge of the weakness of the Niger uranium claim on Meet The Press. She states, "Maybe someone down in the bowels of the Agency knew about this, but nobody in my circles."

9. July 6, '03: Wilson's NYT op-ed is published. By the following day, two senior White House officials began contacting at least six reporters, informing them of Valerie Plame's identity as a CIA operative.

10. July 8, '03: Reporter Robert Novak tells a complete stranger on a Washington street: "Wilson's an asshole. The CIA sent him. His wife, Valerie, works for the CIA. She's a weapons of mass destruction specialist. She sent him." In the following days, Novak would ask the CIA for confirmation of Plame's identity. He was asked not to print her name or identity in any article regarding Wilson.

11. July 14, '03: Novak's article exposes Plame.

12. July 20, '03: NBC's Andrea Mitchell tells Wilson that senior White House officials told her that the "real story" was not the 16 words, but was Wilson and his wife.

13. July 21, '03: NBC's Chris Matthews tells Wilson that Karl Rove called him and said," Wilson's wife is fair game." Matthews said he would confirm that if asked.

This time line indicates that while the exposing of Plame's identity was a result of Wilson's op-ed, it was also part of a larger strategy that had been planned in VP Cheney's office since March 8. It clearly confirms goal #1: by exposing Plame, and putting her safety at risk, the White House had severely punished Joseph Wilson.
It also supports goal #2: the White House had a strategy to intimidate any other potential intelligence operatives from exposing the administration for distorting information regarding Iraq.

Likewise, the exposing of Plame supports goal #3: exposing Plame put an immediate end to any activities that Plame was participating in at the time. This is supported by Wilson (pg 345): "She immediately began to prepare a checklist of things she needed to do to minimize the fall-out to the projects she was working on."

Also, Wilson notes: "Compromising the officer means compromising a career, a network, and every person with who the officer might have ever worked. Slips of the tongue cost people their lives." (pg 13)

The Leakers' Identities

Robert Novak sourced his story to two senior White House officials. Other reporters, including Andrea Mitchell, made mention of the two unidentified senior White House officials. These two are among the at least six reporters contacted by these two officials.
Chris Matthew's call identifies Karl Rove as being involved in the efforts to make "Wilson's wife ... fair game." This call took place after the calls from the senior officials to the six reporters.
Wilson's book indicates a belief that the two senior officials were Lewis "Scooter" Libby and Eliot Abrams. Abrams is no stranger to White House disgrace, having been convicted on two charges during the Iran-Contra scandal.

There is evidence the three were operating with the knowledge of, and perhaps under the direction of VP Cheney. The March 8 "workshop" in VP Cheney's office indicates that this was a long-standing, well-organized effort to discredit Wilson. As Wilson notes (pg 387) : "... a plan to attack me had been formed before the moment. It was cocked and ready to fire .... an organized smear campaign directed from the highest reaches of the White House."

Cheney and Pre-War Intelligence

Those involved in the "workshop" to discredit Wilson were also active in efforts to influence pre-war intelligence reports. On page 6, Wilson discusses "leaks" that Cheney, Libby, and Newt Gingrich pressured the intelligence community "to skew intelligence analysists" to fit their own needs.

On page 338, Wilson notes that these three reportedly intimidated analysts by implying, "if you do a 'Wilson' on us, we will do worse to you."

Wilson notes (pg 434) that VP Cheney runs a "parallel national security office," which has no congressional oversight, and hence can "circumvent long-standing and accepted reporting structures and to skew decision-making practices."

As a result, as reported by Joe Klein in Time (7-5-04) "the intelligence community is at war with the White House." Klein notes that "multiple intelligence sources" indicated to him their belief that Cheny strong-armed out-going CIA Director George Tenet, to make him support Cheney and Rumsfeld's positions on Iraq.

Cheney, Niger, and Wilson's Trip

Wilson notes a report on a possible Niger-Iraq yellow cake uranium transaction had "aroused the interests of Vice President Dick Cheney." (pg 14) Cheney's office "had tasked the CIA to determine if there was any truth to the report." (pg 14)

It is clear that Cheney was aware of the Niger report, and had directed his office to have the CIA do an investigation of it. There is evidence that on March 5, the CIA gave VP Cheney an oral report on Wilson's findings. This was three days before the State Department spokesperson told the media, "We fell for it," and that Wilson told CNN that the State Department had more information on that subject. March 8 was also the day that the "workshop" to discredit Wilson was held in Cheney's office.

"What I Didn't Find" vs "16 Words"

The White House retracted President Bush's infamous 16 words immediately after Wilson's op-ed appeared in the New York Times.
On 7-13-03, Condi Rice told Fox News Sunday that, "It is ludicrous to suggest that the president of the United States went to war on the question of whether Saddam Hussein sought uranium from Africa."
On 7-14-03, Robert Novak exposed Valerie Plame's identity. It is important to recognize that Novak was aware that Plame was an operative who specialized in WMDs, and that he had been asked by the CIA not to reveal her identity, or even print her name, in an article on Wilson.

The White House continued to engage in efforts to discredit Wilson, including sending three identical e-mails of "talking points" to Keith Olbermann when Wilson was appearing on MSNBC's Countdown.
1982 Intelligence Identity Protection Act

Wilson notes that the administration had already acknowledged the Niger-Iraq link was unsubstantiated, and that logically, they should have focused attention on how the 16 words made their way into the president's State of the Union address. The effort to expose Plame's identity made little sense. (pg 7)

Later, he continues with, "The White House gained nothing by publicizing Valerie's name..." (pg 7)
"Then it struck me that the attack by Rove and the administration on my wife had little to do with her, but a lot to do with others who might be tempted to speak out." (pgs 5-6)
"The decision of the president's people to come after me .... arose from no concerns over the emergence of secrets from my mission -- there weren't any." (pg 339)
"However offensive, there was a certain logic to it. If you have something to hide, one way to keep it secret is to threaten anyone who might expose it. But it was too late to silence me." (pg 338)


Goal #3: Why Cheney Exposed Plame

Wilson notes that Sandy Berger, President Clinton's national security advisor, pointed out that since the Bush people had never backed down before, the fact that they had been "so quick to admit their error this time meant they must have something more important to protect." (pg 4)

In Worse Than Watergate, John Dean calls the exposing of Plame the "Dirtiest of Dirty Tricks." He writes that "revealing her identity damaged the national security and her career, and resulted in the loss of a valuable government asset." He called this action "literally life-threatening." (pgs 170-171)

What could have possibly been so important to VP Cheney that he oversaw the violating of the 1982 IIPA, and risked a White House scandal? The answer clearly can not be found in goals #1 or #2.
The answer, which supports goal #3, appears in Klein's article: "Furthermore, there is intense anger over the White House's revealing the identity of Plame, who may have been active in a sting operation involving the trafficking of WMD components. ..... 'Only a very high-ranking official could have had access to the knowledge that Plame was on the payroll' of the CIA, an intelligence source told me."

And that very high-ranking official may have known through his parallel national security office about the activities that Plame was involved with at that time. The answer to goal #3 likely is to be found in the checklist of things Valerie Plame did to mitigate the damage done by Novak's article immediately after she read it.

Conclusions

This paper presents direct evidence that the intelligence group that operates out of VP Cheney's office orchestrated the exposure of Valerie Plame as a CIA operative, in order to realize goal #1, the "punishing" of Joseph Wilson for publicly challenging President Bush.

It includes both direct and circumstantial evidence from sources including Wilson, Dean, Klein, and others, that indicates they also had goal #2 in mind: to intimidate any other potential sources that could challenge their reasons for invading Iraq, as well as other measures in their "war on terorism."

Yet these two goals alone do not explain why VP Cheney would (1) take part in a measure that would violate a federal law against exposing a CIA operative, or (2) risk a serious scandal for the Bush Administration.

The possibility that VP Cheney was hoping to derail a sting operation involving Valerie Plame, which is our identified goal #3, does explain why VP Cheney would condone the breaking of the federal law, and risk the most serious scandal that this administration faces.

Further research by an ad hoc DU "think tank" has identified possible connections between businesses connected to VP Cheney that may be associated with the sale of WMD components to countries in the Middle East. It is our belief that this theory and the evidence that supports it needs a more in-depth investigation.
At the time of publishing, the most recent message board thread on this subject can be found here:

PLAME INDICTMENTS - "HIGH CRIMES & MISDEMEANORS- THE TIP OF THE ICEBERG"




July 24, 2004

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6. " COVER- UP OF TREASON" COLOR FLYER FOR DISTRIBUTION

COVER UP OF TREASON -color flyer to distribute everywhere


. Just click on the URL below and print it out


http://s93118771.onlinehome.us/DU/letter.pd


About this flyer and why we have made it: We, you and I, are THE grass-roots democratic power.

It's your country. You and we have to help ourselves by this movement against non stop war on other countries, on our jobs,on
our standard of living, and most of all the war on our liberties and
the Constitution.

Our primary job is to continue to educate the public, pressure Congress through our letters, faxes and phone calls, register voters, and increase participation in those treasures defined by the Bill of Rights.

While thousands of us on the internet truly know the danger this country is on the verge of, millions who are not on the internet have no idea of the neo-con/PNAC One World Government and destruction
of our Freedoms through the Patriot Act.

Here's an easy way to work to spread the message about the Plame Indictments, Sibel Edmonds' and the High Crimes and Misdemeanors committed by elected officials and their appointees in this administraton:

Become ACTIVELY involved in educating the American public without drawing attention to yourself. You can spread the word of our Government's deception and betrayal from one citizen to another without any personal exposure.

Here's how: Make ten or more copies of these "letters" and leave them in a public place where someone else will find it and read it. Ideal locations for maximum exposure include book stores, copy shops, libraries and train stations. Buses, taxis, laundromats, and check-out lines at the grocery store. Hair salons, rest rooms, gas stations and convenience stores. Anywhere you happen to be will work just fine. Do this every week from now until November.

You can just happen to leave this flyer everywhere you
visit (just cut and paste into "Word" and print or print directly in color from URL above ) and you'll know you've done your part to help protect America from the most destructive force that has ever occupied our government.

GO FOR IT !

with thanks to DU'er Dist22Dem for this magnificent professionally
printed color flyer

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7. PREVIOUS 16 PLAME THREADS IN PDF WORD FORMAT

Plame PDFs 1-16 can be found here,
http://s93118771.onlinehome.us/DU/PlameIndictments.html

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8. MEDIA LIST SET TO GO FOR EMAIL

MEDIA LIST all set up for e mailing


list of other media contacts, here's some for you.

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other individual reporters or news outlets can be found at
Drudgereport.com

(sorry, it's the pits but the news contacts are nicely listed for
us. )



Individual Reporters & Newspaper List

forgive me, it's on the drudge rag site, but it's useful

http://www.drudgereport.com /

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9. HENRY KISSINGER ON HOW TO MANIPULATE AMERICANS' PANIC

"Today Americans would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los

Angeles to restore order; tomorrow they will be grateful. This is

especially true if they were told there was an outside threat from

beyond, whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very

existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will plead with

world leaders to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every

man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario,

individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee

of their well being granted to them by their world government."

Henry Kissinger, Speaking at Evian, France, May 21, 1992. Bilderberg

meeting.

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10. THE US MILITARY "NORTHWOODS" PLAN TO ATTACK US CITIZENS

JUST TO MAKE US MORE MALLEABLE AND WILLING TO GO TO WAR, A PLAN
ORIGINALLY HATCHED IN THE 1960'S - BUT APPARENTLY STILL AS ALIVE
TODAY AS HENRY KISSINGER:

NORTHWOODS -The original US MILITARY plan to attack US CITIZENS
to get Americans to support war.

JFK STOPPED THE PLAN AND FIRED GENERAL LEMNITZER.

126. Here ORIGINAL NORTHWOOD DOCUMENTS-our Military plan to attack US citizens to make American citizens angry enough to support war......

I THINK WE SHOULD MAIL/ FAX THIS TO EVERY CONGRESS PERSON AND SAY WE KNOW! WE KNOW! AND YOU'D BETTER REMOVE THIS ADMINISTRATION OR YOU WILL BE OBSTRUCTING JUSTICE AND DESERVE JAIL TERMS FOR TREASON ALONG WITH THE WHITE HOUSE.


http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/jointchiefs ...

picture of Lemnitzer


Operation Northwoods: The Pentagon’s Secret Plot to Murder US Citizens to Provoke a War September 13, 2002

General Lyman L. Lemnitzer. Credit: NATO.

On May 1, 2001, ABC News broadcast a chilling revelation: “In the early 1960s, America's top military leaders reportedly drafted plans to kill innocent people and commit acts of terrorism in US cities to create public support for a war against Cuba.”
http://more.abcnews.go.com/sections/us/dailynews/jointc ...

The Pentagon’s secret “Operation Northwoods” proposed that the US assassinate Cuban émigrés, hijack planes, sink ships, and stage an incident of violent terrorism in US cities. The Joint Chiefs at the time were headed by Army Gen. Lyman L. Lemnitzer.

The Pentagon’s top brass were even willing to murder US troops, if that’s what it took to stampede the country into a war. "We could blow up a US ship in Guantanamo Bay and blame Cuba," they wrote, noting with cold logic that, "casualty lists in US newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation."

The Joint Chiefs even saw the potential death of astronaut John Glenn as an opportunity to falsely provoke a war with Cuba. If Glenn’s rocket failed to make it safely into orbit, the Pentagon was prepared to falsely accuse Cuba of shooting down Glenn’s space capsule.

An analysis of Operation Northwood is contained in James Bamford’s new book, Body of Secrets (Doubleday) discloses that the plans were approved by the Joint Chiefs of Staff and presented to President Kennedy's Defense Secretary Robert McNamara on March 13, 1962. Lemnitzer argued that Operation Northwoods should be run by the military but McNamara apparently had second thoughts. The civilians in the White House overruled the soldiers in the Pentagon and the plan was rejected. All copies of the memorandum were ordered destroyed. The existence of the plot remained undisclosed for nearly 40 years.

"Although no one in Congress could have known at the time," Bamford writes, "Lemnitzer and the Joint Chiefs had quietly slipped over the edge." Bamford characterized the Joint Chiefs’ plot as, perhaps “the most corrupt plan ever created by the US government." But even after Lemnitzer retired, Bamford charges, the Joint Chiefs continued to plan similar "pretext" operations at least through 1963.

The documents only saw the light of day after the popular success of Oliver Stone’s 1992 blockbuster film JFK about the Kennedy assassination. Congress passed a law to increase public access to government records related to the assassination. In the process of combing through reams of declassified papers, a single surviving copy of the 15-page memo on Operation Northwoods was discovered.

Particularly disturbing — especially in the aftermath of the many unanswered questions surrounding the September 11 terrorist attack — is the Pentagon’s elaborate plan to falsely trigger a war by staging the fake destruction of a civilian commercial jetliner.

The document is reprinted below in its entirety. A PDF version of the actual 15-page document is available at the website of George Washington University’s National Security Archive project: <www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430 >



The first page of the 15-page Operation Northwoods terror plot. Credit: The National Security Archives/George Washington University <http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv />.
TOP SECRET SPECIAL HANDLING NOFORN (declassified 2000)
The Joint Chiefs of Staff Washington DC Memorandum for the Secretary of Defense

SUBJECT: Justification for U.S. Military Intervention in Cuba (TS)

JCS to Secretary of War Robert McNamara March 13, 1962

The Joint Chiefs of Staff have considered the attatched memorandum for the chief of Operations, Cuba Project, which responds to a request by that office for brief but precise description of pretexts which would provide justification for US military intervention in Cuba.


The Joint Chiefs of Staff recommend that the proposed memorandum be forwarded as a preliminary submission suitable for planning purproses. It is assumed that there will be similar submissions from other agencies and that these inputs will be used as a basis for developing a time-phased plan. Individual projects can then be considered on a case-by-case basis.


Further, it is assumed that a single agency will be given the primary responsibility for developing military and para-military aspects of the basic plan. It is recommended that this responsibility for both overt and covert military operations be assigned to the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
For the Joint Chiefs of Staff signed: L.L. Limnitzer Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff

Note by the Secretaries to the Joint Chiefs of Staff on Northwoods

Footnoted memorandums:
"Operation Mongoose"
"Instances to Provoke Military Actions in Cuba"
RECOMMENDATIONS:
This paper NOT be forwarded to commanders of specified or unified commands.

This paper NOT be forwarded to US officers assigned to NATO activities.

This paper NOT be forwarded to the Chairman, US Delegation, United Nations Military Staff Committee.

Such a plan would enable a logical buildup of incidents to be combined with other seemingly unrelated events to camoflage the ultimate objective and create the necessary impression of Cuban rashness and irresponsibility on a large scale, directed at other countries in addition to the United States. The desired resultant from the execution of this plan would be to place the United States in the apparent position of suffering defensible grievances.
1. A series of well-coordinated incidents will be planned to take place to give genuine appearance of being done by hostile Cuban forces.

2. Incidents to establish a credible attack:
1. Start rumors (many). Use clandestine radio. 2. Land friendly Cubans in uniform "over-the-fence" to stage attack on the base. 3. Capture Cuban (friendly) sabateurs inside the base. 4. Start riots near the entrance to the base (friendly Cubans). 5. Blow up ammunition inside the base; start fires. 6. Burn aircraft on airbase (sabatage) . 7. Lob morter shells from outsidethe base to inside the base. Some damage to installation. 8. Capture assault teams. 9. Capture militia group which storms the base. 10. Sabotage ship in harbor; large fires -- napthalene . 11. Sink ship near harbor entrance. Conduct funerals for mock-victims.

(b) United States would respond by executing offensive operations.
3. A "Remember the Maine" incident could be arranged in several forms:
We could blow up a US ship and blame Cuba.

We could blow up a drone (unmannded) vessel anywhere in the Cuban waters. The presense of Cuban planes or ships merely investigating the intent of the vessel could be fairly compelling evidence that the ship was taken under attack. The US could follow with an air/sea rescue operation covered by US fighters to "evacuate" remaining members of the non-existant crew. Casualty lists in US newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation.
4. We could develop a Communist Cuba terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Flordia cities and even in Washington. The terror campaign could be pointed at Cuban refugees seeking haven in the United States. We could sink a boatload of Cubans enroute to Florida (real or simulated). We could foster attempts on lives of Cubans in the United States even to the extent of wounding in instances to be widely publicized. Exploding a few bombs in carefully chosen spots. The arrest of Cuban agents and the release of prepared documents substantiating cuban involvement.

5. A "Cuban-based, Castro-supported" filibuster could be simulated against a neighboring Caribbean nation. These efforts can be magnified with additional ones contrived for exposure. "Cuban" B-26 or C-46 type aircraft could make cane-burning raids at night. Soviet Bloc incidiaries could be found. This could be coupled with "Cuban" messages to the Communist underground and "Cuban" shipments of arms which would be found, or intercepted, on the beach.

6. Use of MIG-type aircraft by US pilots could provide additional provocation. Harassment of civil air, attacks on surface shipping, and destruction of US military drone aircraft by MIG type palnes would be useful. An F-86 properly painted would convince air passengers that they saw a Cuban MIG, especially if the pilot of the transport were to announce that fact.

7. Hijacking attampts against US civil air and surface craft should be encouraged.

8. It is possible to create an incident which would demonstrate convincingly that a Cuban aircraft has attacked and shot down a chartered civilian airliner from the United States.
An aircraft at Eglin AFB would be painted and numbered as an exact duplicate for a civil registered aircraft belonging to a CIA proprietary organization in the Miami area. At a designated time the duplicate would be substituted for the actual civil aircraft and the passengers, all boarded under carefully prepared aliases. The actual registered aircraft would be converted to a drone.

Take off times of the drone aircraft and the actual aircraft will be scheduled to allow a rondevous. From the rondevous point the passenger-carrying aircraft will descend to minimum altitude and go directly to an auxiliary airfield at Eglin AFB where arrangements will have been made to evacuate the passengers and return the aircraft to its original status. Meanwhile the drone aircraft will continue to fly the filed flight plan. The drone will be transmitting on the international distress frequency "MAY DAY" message stating it is under attack by Cuban MIG aircraft. The transmission will be interrupted by the destruction of aircraft which will be triggered by radio signal. This will allow IACO radio stations to tell the US what has happened to the aircraft instead of the US trying to "sell" the incident.
9. It is possible to create an incident that will make it appear that Communist Cuban MIGs have destroyed a USAF aircraft over international waters in an unprovoked attack.
On one such flight, a pre-briefed pilot would fly Tail-end Charlie. While near the Cuban island this pilot would broadcast that he had been jumped by MIGs and was going down. This pilot would then fly at extremely low altitude and land at a secure base, an Eglin auxiliary. The aircraft would be met by the proper people, quickly stored and given a new tail number. The pilot who performed the mission under an alias would resume his proper identity. The pilot and aircraft would then have disappeared.

A submarine or small craft would distribute F-101 parts, parachute, etc. The pilots retuning to Homestead would have a true story as far as they knew. Search ships and aircraft could be dispatched and parts of aircraft found.

It is understood that the Department of State is also preparing suggested courses of action to develope justification for US military intervention in Cuba.

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11. A WORD ON FASCISM ALSO KNOWN AS CORPORATISM

WHICH HAS OVERTAKEN THE USA

finally a word from Mussolini:


"Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it

is a merger of State and corporate power."

Benito Mussolini, 1883-1945, Fascist dictator of Italy

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12. DIRECTORY TO CONTACT ANYONE IN CONGRESS

DIRECTORY TO CONTACT ANYONE IN CONGRESS


www.congress.org - for a directory to ANYBODY on the Hill, AND their

local/regional offices.

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14. WHAT THE NEO-CON-PNAC ADMINISTRATION IS UP TO:

http://truthout.org/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi?archiv ...

February 2003


Blood Money
By William Rivers Pitt
t r u t h o u t | Perspective

Thursday 27 February 2003

"In the counsels of Government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the Military Industrial Complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists, and will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes."
- President Dwight Eisenhower, January 1961.

George W. Bush gave a speech Wednesday night before the Godfather of conservative Washington think tanks, the American Enterprise Institute. In his speech, Bush quantified his coming war with Iraq as part of a larger struggle to bring pro-western governments into power in the Middle East. Couched in hopeful language describing peace and freedom for all, the speech was in fact the closest articulation of the actual plan for Iraq that has yet been heard from the administration.

In a previous truthout article from February 21, the ideological connections between an extremist right-wing Washington think tank and the foreign policy aspirations of the Bush administration were detailed.

The Project for a New American Century, or PNAC, is a group founded in 1997 that has been agitating since its inception for a war with Iraq. PNAC was the driving force behind the drafting and passage of the Iraqi Liberation Act, a bill that painted a veneer of legality over the ultimate designs behind such a conflict. The names of every prominent PNAC member were on a letter delivered to President Clinton in 1998 which castigated him for not implementing the Act by driving troops into Baghdad.

PNAC has funneled millions of taxpayer dollars to a Hussein opposition group called the Iraqi National Congress, and to Iraq's heir-apparent, Ahmed Chalabi, despite the fact that Chalabi was sentenced in absentia by a Jordanian court to 22 years in prison on 31 counts of bank fraud. Chalabi and the INC have, over the years, gathered support for their cause by promising oil contracts to anyone that would help to put them in power in Iraq.

Most recently, PNAC created a new group called The Committee for the Liberation of Iraq. Staffed entirely by PNAC members, The Committee has set out to "educate" Americans via cable news connections about the need for war in Iraq. This group met recently with National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice regarding the ways and means of this education.

Who is PNAC? Its members include:

* Vice President Dick Cheney, one of the PNAC founders, who served as Secretary of Defense for Bush Sr.;

* I. Lewis Libby, Cheney's top national security assistant;

* Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, also a founding member, along with four of his chief aides including;

* Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz, arguably the ideological father of the group;

* Eliot Abrams, prominent member of Bush's National Security Council, who was pardoned by Bush Sr. in the Iran/Contra scandal;

* John Bolton, who serves as Undersecretary for Arms Control and International Security in the Bush administration;

* Richard Perle, former Reagan administration official and present chairman of the powerful Defense Policy Board;

* Randy Scheunemann, President of the Committee for the Liberation of Iraq, who was Trent Lott's national security aide and who served as an advisor to Rumsfeld on Iraq in 2001;

* Bruce Jackson, Chairman of PNAC, a position he took after serving for years as vice president of weapons manufacturer Lockheed-Martin, and who also headed the Republican Party Platform subcommittee for National Security and Foreign Policy during the 2000 campaign. His section of the 2000 GOP Platform explicitly called for the removal of Saddam Hussein;

* William Kristol, noted conservative writer for the Weekly Standard, a magazine owned along with the Fox News Network by conservative media mogul Ruppert Murdoch.

The Project for the New American Century seeks to establish what they call 'Pax Americana' across the globe. Essentially, their goal is to transform America, the sole remaining superpower, into a planetary empire by force of arms. A report released by PNAC in September of 2000 entitled 'Rebuilding America's Defenses' codifies this plan, which requires a massive increase in defense spending and the fighting of several major theater wars in order to establish American dominance. The first has been achieved in Bush's new budget plan, which calls for the exact dollar amount to be spent on defense that was requested by PNAC in 2000. Arrangements are underway for the fighting of the wars.

The men from PNAC are in a perfect position to see their foreign policy schemes, hatched in 1997, brought into reality. They control the White House, the Pentagon and Defense Department, by way of this the armed forces and intelligence communities, and have at their feet a Republican-dominated Congress that will rubber-stamp virtually everything on their wish list.

The first step towards the establishment of this Pax Americana is, and has always been, the removal of Saddam Hussein and the establishment of an American protectorate in Iraq. The purpose of this is threefold: 1) To acquire control of the oilheads so as to fund the entire enterprise; 2) To fire a warning shot across the bows of every leader in the Middle East; 3) To establish in Iraq a military staging area for the eventual invasion and overthrow of several Middle Eastern regimes, including some that are allies of the United States.

Another PNAC signatory, author Norman Podhoretz, quantified this aspect of the grand plan in the September 2002 issue of his journal, 'Commentary'. In it, Podhoretz notes that the regimes, "that richly deserve to be overthrown and replaced, are not confined to the three singled-out members of the axis of evil. At a minimum, the axis should extend to Syria and Lebanon and Libya, as well as 'friends' of America like the Saudi royal family and Egypt's Hosni Mubarak, along with the Palestinian Authority, whether headed by Arafat or one of his henchmen." At bottom, for Podhoretz, this action is about "the long-overdue internal reform and modernization of Islam."

This casts Bush's speech to AEI on Wednesday in a completely different light.

Weapons of mass destruction are a smokescreen. Paeans to the idea of Iraqi liberation and democratization are cynical in their inception. At the end of the day, this is not even about oil. The drive behind this war is ideological in nature, a crusade to 'reform' the religion of Islam as it exists in both government and society within the Middle East. Once this is accomplished, the road to empire will be open, ten lanes wide and steppin' out over the line.

At the end of the day, however, ideology is only good for bull sessions in the board room and the bar. Something has to grease the skids, to make the whole thing worthwhile to those involved, and entice those outside the loop to get into the game.

Thus, the payout.

It is well known by now that Dick Cheney, before becoming Vice President, served as chairman and chief executive of the Dallas-based petroleum corporation Halliburton. During his tenure, according to oil industry executives and United Nations records, Halliburton did a brisk $73 million in business with Saddam Hussein's Iraq. While working face-to-face with Hussein, Cheney and Halliburton were also moving into position to capitalize upon Hussein's removal from power. In October of 1995, the same month Cheney was made CEO of Halliburton, that company announced a deal that would put it first in line should war break out in Iraq. Their job: To take control of burning oil wells, put out the fires, and prepare them for service.

Another corporation that stands to do well by a war in Iraq is Brown & Root, a subsidiary of Halliburton. Ostensibly, Brown & Root is in the construction business, and thus has won a share of the $900 million government contract for the rebuilding of post-war Iraqi bridges, roads and other basic infrastructure. This is but the tip of the financial iceberg, as the oil wells will also have to be repaired after parent-company Halliburton puts out the fires.

More ominously is Brown & Root's stock in trade: the building of permanent American military bases. There are twelve permanent U.S. bases in Kosovo today, all built and maintained by Brown & Root for a multi-billion dollar profit. If anyone should wonder why the administration has not offered an exit strategy to the Iraq war plans, the presence of Brown & Root should answer them succinctly. We do not plan on exiting. In all likelihood, Brown & Root is in Iraq to build permanent bases there, from which attacks upon other Middle Eastern nations can be staged and managed.

Again, this casts Bush's speech on Wednesday in a new light.

Being at the center of the action is nothing new for Halliburton and Brown & Root. The two companies have worked closely with governments in Algeria, Angola, Bosnia, Burma, Croatia, Haiti, Nigeria, Rwanda, and Somalia during the worst chapters in those nation's histories. Many environmental and human rights groups claim that Cheney, Halliburton and Brown & Root were, in fact, centrally involved in these fiascos. More recently, Brown & Root was contracted by the Defense Department to build cells for detainees in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. The bill for that one project came to $300 million.

Cheney became involved with PNAC officially in 1997, while still profiting from deals between Halliburton and Hussein. One year later, Cheney and PNAC began actively and publicly agitating for war on Iraq. They have not stopped to this very day.

Another company with a vested interest in both war on Iraq and massively increased defense spending is the Carlyle Group. Carlyle, a private global investment firm with more than $12.5 billion in capital under management, was formed in 1987. Its interests are spread across 164 companies, including telecommunications firms and defense contractors. It is staffed at the highest levels by former members of the Reagan and Bush Sr. administrations. Former President George H. W. Bush is himself employed by Carlyle as a senior advisor, as is long-time Bush family advisor and former Secretary of State James Baker III.

One company acquired by Carlyle is United Defense, a weapons manufacturer based in Arlington, VA. United Defense provides the Defense Department with combat vehicle systems, fire support, combat support vehicle systems, weapons delivery systems, amphibious assault vehicles, combat support services and naval armaments. Specifically, United Defense manufactures the Bradley Fighting Vehicle, the M113 armored personnel carrier, the M88A2 Recovery Vehicle, the Grizzly, the M9 ACE, the Composite Armored Vehicle, the M6 Linebacker, the M7 BFIST, the Armored Gun System, the M4 Command and Control Vehicle, the Battle Command Vehicle, the Paladin, the Crusader, and Electric Gun/Pulse Power weapons technology.

In other words, everything a growing Defense Department, a war in Iraq, and a burgeoning American military empire needs.

Ironically, one group that won't profit from Carlyle's involvement in American military buildup is the family of Osama bin Laden. The bin Laden family fortune was amassed by Mohammed bin Laden, father of Osama, who built a multi-billion dollar construction empire through contracts with the Saudi government. The Saudi BinLaden Group, as this company is called, was heavily invested in Carlyle for years. Specifically, they were invested in Carlyle's Partners II Fund, which includes in that portfolio United Defense and other weapons manufacturers.

This relationship was described in a September 27, 2001 article in the Wall Street Journal entitled 'Bin Laden Family Could Profit From Jump in Defense Spending Due to Ties to US Bank.' The 'bank' in question was the Carlyle Group. A follow-up article published by the Journal on September 28 entitled ' Bin Laden Family Has Intricate Ties With Washington - Saudi Clan Has Had Access To Influential Republicans ' further describes the relationship. In October of 2001, Saudi BinLaden and Carlyle severed their relationship by mutual agreement. The timing is auspicious.

There are a number of depths to be plumbed in all of this. The Bush administration has claimed all along that this war with Iraq is about Saddam Hussein's connections to terrorism and weapons of mass destruction, though through it all they have roundly failed to establish any basis for either accusation. On Wednesday, Bush went further to claim that the war is about liberating the Iraqi people and bringing democracy to the Middle East. This ignores cultural realities on the ground in Iraq and throughout the region that, salted with decades of deep mistrust for American motives, make such a democracy movement brought at the point of the sword utterly impossible to achieve.

This movement, cloaked in democracy, is in fact a PNAC-inspired push for an American global empire. It behooves Americans to understand that there is a great difference between being the citizen of a constitutional democracy and being a citizen of an empire. The establishment of an empire requires some significant sacrifices.

Essential social, medical, educational and retirement services will have to be gutted so that those funds can be directed towards a necessary military buildup. Actions taken abroad to establish the preeminence of American power, most specifically in the Middle East, will bring a torrent of terrorist attacks to the home front. Such attacks will bring about the final suspension of constitutional rights and the rule of habeas corpus, as we will find ourselves under martial law. In the end, however, this may be inevitable. An empire cannot function with the slow, cumbersome machine of a constitutional democracy on its back. Empires must be ruled with speed and ruthlessness, in a manner utterly antithetical to the way in which America has been governed for 227 years.

And yes, of course, a great many people will die.

It would be one thing if all of this was based purely on the ideology of our leaders. It is another thing altogether to consider the incredible profit motive behind it all. The President, his father, the Vice President, a whole host of powerful government officials, along with stockholders and executives from Halliburton and Carlyle, stand to make a mint off this war. Long-time corporate sponsors from the defense, construction and petroleum industries will likewise profit enormously.

Critics of the Bush administration like to bandy about the word "fascist" when speaking of George. The image that word conjures is of Nazi stormtroopers marching in unison towards Hitler's Final Solution. This does not at all fit. It is better, in this matter, to view the Bush administration through the eyes of Benito Mussolini. Mussolini, dubbed 'the father of Fascism,' defined the word in a far more pertinent fashion. "Fascism," said Mussolini, "should more properly be called corporatism, since it is the merger of state and corporate power."

Boycott the French, the Germans, and the other 114 nations who stand against this Iraq war all you wish. France and Germany do not oppose Bush because they are cowards, or because they enjoy the existence of Saddam Hussein. France and Germany stand against the Bush administration because they intend to stop this Pax Americana in its tracks if they can. They have seen militant fascism up close and personal before, and wish never to see it again.

Would that we Americans could be so wise.

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William Rivers Pitt is a New York Times bestselling author of two books - "War On Iraq" (with Scott Ritter) available now from Context Books, and "The Greatest Sedition is Silence," available in May 2003 from Pluto Press. He teaches high school in Boston, MA.

Scott Lowery contributed research to this report.

(In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. t r u t h o u t has no affiliation whatsoever with the originator of this article nor is t r u t h o u t endorsed or sponsored by the originator.)

© : t r u t h o u t 2004

[Pallas180]

15. JEB BUSH, CHENEY, RUMSFELD LETTERS OF UNPRINCIPLES

http://www.newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples...



June 3, 1997

American foreign and defense policy is adrift. Conservatives have criticized the incoherent policies of the Clinton Administration. They have also resisted isolationist impulses from within their own ranks. But conservatives have not confidently advanced a strategic vision of America's role in the world. They have not set forth guiding principles for American foreign policy. They have allowed differences over tactics to obscure potential agreement on strategic objectives. And they have not fought for a defense budget that would maintain American security and advance American interests in the new century.

We aim to change this. We aim to make the case and rally support for American global leadership.


As the 20th century draws to a close, the United States stands as the world's preeminent power. Having led the West to victory in the Cold War, America faces an opportunity and a challenge: Does the United States have the vision to build upon the achievements of past decades? Does the United States have the resolve to shape a new century favorable to American principles and interests?


We are in danger of squandering the opportunity and failing the challenge. We are living off the capital -- both the military investments and the foreign policy achievements -- built up by past administrations. Cuts in foreign affairs and defense spending, inattention to the tools of statecraft, and inconstant leadership are making it increasingly difficult to sustain American influence around the world. And the promise of short-term commercial benefits threatens to override strategic considerations. As a consequence, we are jeopardizing the nation's ability to meet present threats and to deal with potentially greater challenges that lie ahead.

We seem to have forgotten the essential elements of the Reagan Administration's success: a military that is strong and ready to meet both present and future challenges; a foreign policy that boldly and purposefully promotes American principles abroad; and national leadership that accepts the United States' global responsibilities.


Of course, the United States must be prudent in how it exercises its power. But we cannot safely avoid the responsibilities of global leadership or the costs that are associated with its exercise. America has a vital role in maintaining peace and security in Europe, Asia, and the Middle East. If we shirk our responsibilities, we invite challenges to our fundamental interests. The history of the 20th century should have taught us that it is important to shape circumstances before crises emerge, and to meet threats before they become dire. The history of this century should have taught us to embrace the cause of American leadership.

Our aim is to remind Americans of these lessons and to draw their consequences for today. Here are four consequences:

• we need to increase defense spending significantly if we are to carry out our global
responsibilities today and modernize our armed forces for the future;


• we need to strengthen our ties to democratic allies and to challenge regimes hostile to our interests and values;


• we need to promote the cause of political and economic freedom abroad;


• we need to accept responsibility for America's unique role in preserving and extending an international order friendly to our security, our prosperity, and our principles.

Such a Reaganite policy of military strength and moral clarity may not be fashionable today. But it is necessary if the United States is to build on the successes of this past century and to ensure our security and our greatness in the next.

Elliott Abrams Gary Bauer William J. Bennett Jeb Bush

Dick Cheney Eliot A. Cohen Midge Decter Paula Dobriansky Steve Forbes

Aaron Friedberg Francis Fukuyama Frank Gaffney Fred C. Ikle

Donald Kagan Zalmay Khalilzad I. Lewis Libby Norman Podhoretz

Dan Quayle Peter W. Rodman Stephen P. Rosen Henry S. Rowen

Donald Rumsfeld Vin Weber George Weigel Paul Wolfowitz



Some we now know are in the cabal government, some have been disgraced
and some like Schneider (poll reporter on CNN) are a surprise:
____________________________________________________________________

here's the letter where they tried to get Big Dawg to attack Iraq:


http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqclintonletter.htm



January 26, 1998



The Honorable William J. Clinton
President of the United States
Washington, DC


Dear Mr. President:

We are writing you because we are convinced that current American policy toward Iraq is not succeeding, and that we may soon face a threat in the Middle East more serious than any we have known since the end of the Cold War. In your upcoming State of the Union Address, you have an opportunity to chart a clear and determined course for meeting this threat. We urge you to seize that opportunity, and to enunciate a new strategy that would secure the interests of the U.S. and our friends and allies around the world. That strategy should aim, above all, at the removal of Saddam Hussein’s regime from power. We stand ready to offer our full support in this difficult but necessary endeavor.

The policy of “containment” of Saddam Hussein has been steadily eroding over the past several months. As recent events have demonstrated, we can no longer depend on our partners in the Gulf War coalition to continue to uphold the sanctions or to punish Saddam when he blocks or evades UN inspections. Our ability to ensure that Saddam Hussein is not producing weapons of mass destruction, therefore, has substantially diminished. Even if full inspections were eventually to resume, which now seems highly unlikely, experience has shown that it is difficult if not impossible to monitor Iraq’s chemical and biological weapons production. The lengthy period during which the inspectors will have been unable to enter many Iraqi facilities has made it even less likely that they will be able to uncover all of Saddam’s secrets. As a result, in the not-too-distant future we will be unable to determine with any reasonable level of confidence whether Iraq does or does not possess such weapons.


Such uncertainty will, by itself, have a seriously destabilizing effect on the entire Middle East. It hardly needs to be added that if Saddam does acquire the capability to deliver weapons of mass destruction, as he is almost certain to do if we continue along the present course, the safety of American troops in the region, of our friends and allies like Israel and the moderate Arab states, and a significant portion of the world’s supply of oil will all be put at hazard. As you have rightly declared, Mr. President, the security of the world in the first part of the 21st century will be determined largely by how we handle this threat.


Given the magnitude of the threat, the current policy, which depends for its success upon the steadfastness of our coalition partners and upon the cooperation of Saddam Hussein, is dangerously inadequate. The only acceptable strategy is one that eliminates the possibility that Iraq will be able to use or threaten to use weapons of mass destruction. In the near term, this means a willingness to undertake military action as diplomacy is clearly failing. In the long term, it means removing Saddam Hussein and his regime from power. That now needs to become the aim of American foreign policy.

We urge you to articulate this aim, and to turn your Administration's attention to implementing a strategy for removing Saddam's regime from power. This will require a full complement of diplomatic, political and military efforts. Although we are fully aware of the dangers and difficulties in implementing this policy, we believe the dangers of failing to do so are far greater. We believe the U.S. has the authority under existing UN resolutions to take the necessary steps, including military steps, to protect our vital interests in the Gulf. In any case, American policy cannot continue to be crippled by a misguided insistence on unanimity in the UN Security Council.

We urge you to act decisively. If you act now to end the threat of weapons of mass destruction against the U.S. or its allies, you will be acting in the most fundamental national security interests of the country. If we accept a course of weakness and drift, we put our interests and our future at risk.

Sincerely,

Elliott Abrams Richard L. Armitage William J. Bennett

Jeffrey Bergner John Bolton Paula Dobriansky

Francis Fukuyama Robert Kagan Zalmay Khalilzad

William Kristol Richard Perle Peter W. Rodman

Donald Rumsfeld William Schneider, Jr. Vin Weber

Paul Wolfowitz R. James Woolsey Robert B. Zoellick

[Pallas180]

16. Dear DU'ers & Think Tank - pls add previous posts you want on this thread

now...

thanks

and you're welcome.

[seemslikeadream]

17. Excellent Pallas180 - do you have this in your post?

I might have missed it


DoYouEverWonder (1000+ posts) Tue Aug-10-04 04:00 PM
Response to Reply #13

15. He was with Sen Bob Graham that morning


http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO206A.html

Eight months later on the 18th of May, two days after the "BUSH KNEW" headline hit the tabloids, the Washington Post published an article on Porter Goss, entitled: "A Cloak But No Dagger; An Ex-Spy Says He Seeks Solutions, Not Scapegoats for 9/11". Focussing on his career as a CIA agent, the article largely served to underscore the integrity and commitment of Porter Goss to waging a "war on terrorism". Yet in an isolated paragraph, the article acknowledged the mysterious 9-11 breakfast meeting with ISI Chief Mahmoud Ahmad, while also confirming that "Ahmad :ran a spy agency notoriously close to Osama bin Laden and the Taliban":

"Now the main question facing Goss, as he helps steer a joint House-Senate investigation into the Sept. 11 attacks, is why nobody in the far-flung intelligence bureaucracy -- 13 agencies spending billions of dollars -- paid attention to the enemy among us. Until it was too late.

Goss says he is looking for solutions, not scapegoats. "A lot of nonsense," he calls this week's uproar about a CIA briefing that alerted President Bush, five weeks before Sept. 11, that Osama bin Laden's associates might be planning airline hijackings.

"None of this is news, but it's all part of the finger-pointing," Goss declared yesterday in a rare display of pique. "It's foolishness."

(...) Goss has repeatedly refused to blame an "intelligence failure" for the terror attacks. As a 10-year veteran of the CIA's clandestine operations wing, Goss prefers to praise the agency's "fine work."

(...)

On the morning of Sept. 11, Goss and Graham were having breakfast with a Pakistani general named Mahmud Ahmed -- the soon-to-be-sacked head of Pakistan's intelligence service. Ahmed ran a spy agency notoriously close to Osama bin Laden and the Taliban. 17

[Pallas180]

18. THEORY OF THE WHY-PLAME>CHENEY>HALLIBURTON >ILLEGAL WMD TRADE !

"WHY" THEORY PLAME>CHENEY>HALLIBURTON>ILLEGAL WMD TRADE

A THEORY ON THE WHY - Plame -> Cheney->Halliburton

On my way home today, as I thought about the why the outing of Valerie Plame was necessary, I was so engrossed I drove 4 exits past my exit.

Here's what we know:

1) Valerie Plame was "active in a sting operation involving the trafficking of Weapons of Mass Destruction components"" when her identity was exposed by the White House. It also said" Only a high-ranking official could have had access to the knowledge" that Valerie Plame was a covert CIA agent.

2) Vice President Cheney since 1995 as CEO of Halliburton was fined 1.2 milion dollars for illegal sales of components to Libya which could be used for nuclear purposes. Shortly before becoming Vice President he bitterly assailed US policy against selling such components to Syrria and Iran, which apparently hurt Halliburton's bottom line.

3) There is an investigation of Vice President Cheney in other countries for illegal bribery and various other offenses connected to Halliburton as well as paying amounts to secret Swiss bank accounts

4)The Atomic Energy Commission has said a North American company is one of 20 being investigated for black market sales of WMD materials.

Here's the theory:

Valerie Plame was stopped in her tracks and the biggest treasonous taboo of revealing a CIA sting operation was done because she/it was coming close to discovering even more serious violations of the laws against trading nuclear materials with certain countries by our own Vice President and the Hallibuton company he has awarded billions of US taxpayer dollars to in non-bid contracts after he became VP.

Recently Libya was accused of having WMD components and the US threat
ened to invade unless Quaddaffi gave the WMD components to the US.
Bush 2 was seen on TV this week inspecting the cases of returned materials from Iraq triumphantly. The fact that Quaddafi received these illegal shipments of components from Cheney/Halliburton was not
mentioned in the victory video.

Dick Cheney, even after the Senate Intel Committee, The Atomic Commission and numerous other agencies have said no WMD exist in Iraq,
insists Iraq has WMD even in the last week.

Why? Because Dick Cheney knows he, through an offshore Halliburton company with a PO Box, at some time in the past sold Saddam Hussein WMD or components of WMD. In the same way "they" under Bush 1 adminstration sold Hussein lethal gas which he used, and then attacked him for using it saying he was a threat to the community.

Why do Cheney and Bush insist they must attack Syrria and Iran as the next step in making the world safe and that Syrria and Iran have
WMD? Cheney-Halliburton know that Syrria and Iran have WMD components because Cheney illegally sold the WMD components to Syrria and Iran.

Why did Bush Cheney know that North Korea had WMD and where did they gget the components?

Why were Pakistan and India able to test and develop nuclear weapons undetected by the CIA's "big eye in the sky" or any agency's seismic
discovery? And where did India and Pakistan purchase the components
for WMD which were illegal for any company to sell them?

What was Valerie Plame investigating?


good spooks vs the bad spooks in the FBI and CIA becomes very confusing to most, I think.



Not to add confusion to my "theory " above, but I also thought:

When Saudi Arabia asked Junior and Company to get out of Saudi Arabia
afer we had built a monstrous and expensive base armed with the newest weaponry - one might call it a home base -why would they do that, when they had wanted US to protect them and their oil fields for years???

The reason given for asking us to vacate was to calm the anti-American element. Hmmm. But if they needed our protection from that very element, WHY would they ask their protector to leave.
BECAUSE they "likely" also received WMD from certain parties.

So now, we can guess, the entire Middle East is armed with illegal components of WMD...supplied by whom?hmmm

And I agree with you ROBERTPAULSEN- it's a great racket. Supply them
with the components, collect payment. Shuttle back and forth between
private employment and government employment, selling WMD for your company's bottom line while a private CEO, earning large bonuses and
deferred "payment" plus increased stock option value, go back into government, create a war on those countries who have the WMD you have sold them, then you have created a situation where your company and the other companies you hold stock in, or which belong to your other associates, can supply the army with munitions, destroy the country you have sold WMD to, and then the very same companies who supplied the munitions for destruction, go in and rebuild the country.


So. Now how many times have you profiteered?
1) illegal selling of WMD
2) earn bonus, increase value of stock options
3) Supply Army Munitions on no bid contracts
4) Rebuild the country on no bid contracts

[Pallas180]

32. SEEMSLIKEADREAM - Porter Goss & Al Queda Paymaster

would you like to develop that a little more here?

Have any other connections with Goss and Pakistanis?

Goss and Halliburton

Goss and Cheney

Goss and Rumsfeld

Goss and any of the Neo-Cons

Goss & Pappy

How about organizations Goss belongs to?

One World Govt?

Bilderberg?

Trilateral?

Calrlyle?

You see how we develop info and then theory.
Just that one statement is not enough. Got anything else :)

[Pallas180]

36. Plame Indictments Thread # 17 here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=2178477&mesg_id=2178477

[H2O Man]

5. Regarding Goss nomination:

In an interview with his hometown newspaper, Mr. Goss spoke out strongly against the investigation into the White House's exposing CIA operative Valerie Plame. For more information, see:

http://slate.msn.com/id/2104981/

[Me.]

13. DoH!

Reply to #285 in thread # 17

H. - Of course you said that about Rove before. In previous threads and then on 17 you used the word"cooperated". Chalk it up to a brain fogged by a lack of sleep.

Since Rove isn't (?) going to be frogmarched and presumably made a deal, does that diminish his testimony and is the reason why they need the journalists? Also, how close are we, do you think to this really hotting up? And do you think the "lil darlins" in the WH are at each others throats, and couldn't this divide and conquering be good for us

By the way, good to have you back where you belong!

[H2O Man]

19. Rove paniced

when the article by Corn came out in The Nation last summer, in which it was pointed out that exposing Plame may have been a federal offense. He freaked out, and pointed his shakey finger at Libby and Cheney, and ranted about the trouble they caused the president. For the next several months, there was measurable tension between the offices of the president and vice president.

Remember that Att. Gen. Ashcroft thought he could "smother" the investigation. The Dept of Justice barely responded to the letters by CI requesting an investigation. In the fall of 2003, an administration official told a reporter that "we've put earth-movers on top of this." But then, in the late fall, information started seeping through. In part, this was because over-confident jackasses in the administration talked far too much. (Remember on thread #2 or 3, I spoke of how having more than two people involved in a crime tends to increase the chances of getting caught.)

It was also because they had contacted at least 6 media sources when peddling this story. I've said that I believe there were more: I think it is at least 7, and likely 9 reporters called within a two week period after Wilson's op-ed was in the NYT. Reporters are herd animals, and tend to talk a lot among themselves. It was a hot topic, which had the added thrill of being "secret," and not being reported in the news. Get a few reporters sitting down to drinks, laughing about what a dick dripping Robert Novak is, and word spread .... quickly, in fact.

The "investigation" then picked up some information that forced his Honesty the Att Gen to remove himself due to a conflict of interest. The investigation hit a higher gear. When a couple people talked, openly (hint: "Rove said it, and I'll go on the record!") it was only a matter of time until a soft-bellied weak-link had his attorney approach the investigator's office. There have been a couple people who have turned over.

The inner-conflict that you describe (!) is between Rove and Libby. Of course, Libby = Abrams, Gingrich, and a few others. But it's the president's staff vs the vice president's cabinet.

When you think of it like this, the judge's decision(s) to force certain gentlemen to testify makes a lot more sense, doesn't it?

[Me.]

20. Not Plame Related...

But this article by Joe Trippi speaks to the already established and growing power that grass roots internet groups are acquiring and using to change politics and subsequently the country.


The revolution will not be televised

Former Dean campaign manager Joe Trippi on how Internet democracy is transforming politics— and American life


"Is this a revolution? You bet. And like the Boston Tea Party that launched a democratic revolt more than two centuries ago, it started small— in this case it began sixteen months ago with 432 supporters of Howard Dean each pledging to find one more person to contribute whatever they could to his nascent campaign. Nine months later, the Dean campaign had 650,000 supporters and had raised more than $50 million, in average contributions of $77. More important, when the time came to decide whether Howard Dean should forego public financing— and the restrictive fundraising and spending limits that go with it— those same small donors voted overwhelmingly in an online referendum to opt-out of the system." snip

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5353944/

[H2O Man]

21. Good post!

And I think it is very closely related to the rest of the information on here. I'm always glad to see him on tv, and will be buying his book very soon. I think he was the reason Dean caught the attention of the young people and left-wing of the democratic confederacy. If it wasn't for his work with Dean, I do not believe Kerry would be in a position to beat bush in November.

[LiberalSam]

222. Yep...

<Insert Witty Comment Here>

[RebelYell]

22. RP - Thanks for the maps of Goss's district 14

on thread #17 :tinfoilhat:

I don't believe in coincidence

[shraby]

23. RP...which of the thread 17

should we bring forward? Why don't you check and bring them up to 18.

[H2O Man]

24. Goss's home-town newspaper

is the Herald-Tribune, if that helps. He gave an interview in which he spoke out against the Plame investigation. See:

http://slate.msn.com/id/2104981/

It's an article by Fred Kaplan, exposing Goss as perhaps the very last human being on the planet who should be in charge at CI.

[Pallas180]

34. Porter Goss & Cheney

http://www.antiwar.com/orig/mcgovern.php?articleid=2944

[RebelYell]

56. From your article

"There seems a better than even chance the Bush administration will nominate Goss, and use the nomination hearings as yet another forum at which to blame the Iraq debacle on faulty intelligence. And, as a bonus for Bush, if there is time before the election, it would seem a safe bet that Goss will be able to bring to heel recalcitrant analysts who are still "fighting the problem," still staring in disbelief at the given wisdom (given, apparently, only to the Pentagon and White House) that Iraq and al-Qaeda were in bed with each other. Nor should anyone rule out the possibility that Goss will see to it that "weapons of mass destruction" are found – perhaps as an October surprise."

[robertpaulsen]

28. Good idea!

I'll try to copy pertinent W88 and Musharref info on here if possible. I'll be around for another half hour, but I'll do my best.

[robertpaulsen]

26. I don't either.

It's hard to tell if Venice is in the district or just outside the border, but Goss might have the excuse of plausible deniability if MIHOP ever hit mainstream.

[robertpaulsen]

25. Is this abridged American Judas short enough for the home page?

AMERICAN JUDAS
Selling the Security of America and the World for 30 Pieces of Silver
By
Robert Paulsen
Compiled From the Research by Posters on “The Plame Indictment Threads”
At democraticunderground.com
1st Edition Abridged (Unabridged version available on General Discussion and Editorial Forums at DU)


A. Introduction

This paper is intended as a supplement to The Waterman Paper and an exploration into Goal #3: Why Cheney Exposed Plame. It involves researching possible connections between businesses connected to Vice President Dick Cheney that may be associated with the sale of WMD components to countries in the Middle East and Asia.

In addition to reviewing known information regarding the “leaking” of CIA operative Valerie Plame’s identity and the nature of her work, there will be an overview of A.Q. Khan’s network of nuclear proliferation, a listing of compromising positions involving financial ties in Cheney’s past and finally an exploration into possible links connecting Cheney to nuclear proliferation markets for profit.

B. Valerie Plame’s “Sting Operation”

On July 14,2003, Robert Novak exposed Valerie Plame’s identity as a CIA agent in his syndicated column. He sourced his story to two senior White House officials.(http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0602/p08s02-comv.html ) It is important to understand that, as Plame’s husband, former Ambassador Joseph Wilson says, “Compromising the officer means compromising a career, a network, and every person with who the officer might have ever worked. Slips of the tongue cost people their lives.”(The Politics of Truth by Joseph Wilson, p. 13.)

What was the nature of this career, this network that was compromised? Joe Klein hints at the broad outlines of this nature. “Furthermore, there is intense anger over the White House’s revealing the identity of Plame, who may have been active in a sting operation involving the trafficking of WMD components.”(http://www.time.com/time/magazine/printout/0,8816,11010... )

According to Wayne Madsen, the cover company that Plame was connected with was a CIA firm called Brewster, Jennings & Associates. “Active since 1994, Brewster-Jennings was instrumental in tracking the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction (WMDs) and had agents or correspondents in a number of countries…Sensitive CIA operations that were compromised by the leak included companies, government officials, and individuals associated with the nuclear smuggling network of Pakistan’s chief nuclear scientist Abdul Qadeer Khan.”(http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/062504_grand_... )
Yet in spite of, or perhaps as a result of, the compromises resulting from the leak, the CIA helped expose Khan’s network, according to Newsweek.. It involves a CIA investigation into a company in Malaysia called Scomi connected with an A.Q. Khan “middleman” named Bukhari Sayed Abu Tahir. Last August, the company's name was found stamped in bold letters on five crates of centrifuge parts seized en route to Libya. Since then Scomi has been at the center of an international detective story that has uncovered an astonishing global nuclear-weapons "black market." All of it leads back to Pakistani scientist Abdul Qadeer Khan, who fathered the underground network. In pursuit of both profits and a kind of Islamic nuclear parity, Khan passed on equipment and know-how to Iran and Libya, and made offers to Iraq and most recently Syria, officials say. Khan also helped North Korea's covert program.(http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4270904 )

Could Cheney have had a financial relationship with the Nuclear Walmart, which would have provided a motive for exposing Plame’s operation? We shall explore this in sections D and E of this paper. First it is important to understand what is currently known about A.Q. Khan’s network before we uncover Cheney’s connection with it. The purpose of this examination is not intended as a comprehensive index of the network, but as an exploration into some of the more sinister elements of the network that led to relationships not only among state sponsors of terrorism, but to relationships with terrorist organizations themselves.

C. A.Q. Khan’s Nuclear Walmart

Nuclear experts are aghast at the size of the network, which extends from Switzerland to Japan to Dubai. Over 30 years, Khan put together what Mohamed ElBaradei, head of the International Atomic Energy Agency, called "a veritable Wal-Mart" for nuclear-weapons buyers, a not-so-secret netherworld where proliferation meshed with globalization. Khan even held nuclear-related symposiums. "The horse is out of the barn. At this point, we can't stop the technology from spreading," says former Clinton official Gary Samore. One senior U.S. official told NEWSWEEK that Khan's role in destabilizing the 21st century will "loom up there" with Hitler's and Stalin's impact in the 20th. Even so, most of the A.Q. Khan network's key operatives will likely escape punishment, officials concede.(http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4270904 )

Who were some of the people and organizations connected with A.Q. Khan?

1. B.S.A. Tahir - The recent investigations into the clandestine nuclear proliferation activities of A.Q.Khan, the so-called father of the Pakistan atom bomb, have revealed that Bukhary Seyed Abu Tahir, a Sri Lankan Tamil Muslim of Indian origin, married in Malysia and with business interests in Kuala Lumpur and Dubai, was one of the external kingpins of Pakistan's clandestine nuclear procurement network. In a speech at the National Defence University of Washington DC in February last, President Bush had described this Sri Lankan Tamil-speaking Muslim as the "chief financial officer and money-launderer" of A.Q.Khan's clandestine operations.(http://www.saag.org/papers11/paper1026.html ) As chief financial officer, B.S.A. Tahir played an important role in his connection with a Malaysian company called Scomi that will be explored in greater detail in section E of this paper.

2. Lashkar-e-Toiba - or LET is a terrorist group of Pakistan, consisting of Pakistani, Afghan and Arab cadres, headed by Pakistani office-bearers, with its headquarters at Muridke near Lahore. Its annual conventions at Muridke are attended, amongst others, by serving and retired officers of the Pakistani military and intelligence establishment, by serving and retired scientists of the Pakistani nuclear and missile establishment and by political leaders.

Amongst those, who regularly attend its annual conventions, are Lt. Gen. (retd) Hamid Gul and Lt.Gen.(retd) Javed Nasir, both former Directors-General of the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI),Dr. Abdul Qadir Khan, the self-styled father of the Pakistani atom bomb, Dr.Sultan Bashiruddin Mahmood, the former scientist of the Pakistan Atomic Energy Commission who was recently detained by the Pakistani authorities under US pressure for being in contact with bin Laden and Mohd.Rafique Tarar, former President of Pakistan.(http://www.saag.org/papers4/paper381.html )

3. Osama bin Laden – The following is an excerpt from an investigation by the Kashmir Herald into several of A.Q. Khan’s travels to Africa.

The uranium enriched at KRL, Kahuta, used to come from Africa, mainly Niger. This partly explains the frequent travels of A.Q.Khan to Africa. From the accounts given by the Pakistani author, two intriguing questions arise:

Why did Khan consider it necessary to visit the site of a factory in Sudan, which became the target of US Cruise missile attacks after the explosions outside the US Embassies in Nairobi and Dar-es-Salaam by Al Qaeda in August 1998? The Americans had alleged at that time that this factory belonged to Osama bin Laden and was producing chemicals for weaponisation purposes. Denying this, the Sudanese authorities had claimed that it was producing anti-malaria drugs.
Why was he visiting frequently Timbuktu, which has apparently no importance from the nuclear point of view? Pakistani officials have alleged that he had illegally constructed a hotel there ( Hotel La Colombe?) in the name of his wife. If he was going there to supervise the construction of the hotel, he should have been accompanied by experts in building construction and the hotel industry. No such person accompanied him. He was always accompanied by scientists and Army officers associated with KRL and Tahir Mian, who was helping him in the procurement of centrifuges.

It is reliably learnt from well-placed observers that it also came out during the recent interrogation of the associates of Khan in Pakistan's nuclear establishment that after Osama bin Laden shifted from Khartoum to Afghanistan in 1996, Dr.Khan was also looking after bin Laden's extensive investments in the mining industry in many African countries and that the money invested in the Timbuktu hotel had come from these investments of bin Laden. The Pakistani authorities have reportedly suppressed this information and not shared it with the US.(http://www.kashmirherald.com/featuredarticle/khanandbin... )

This investigation has yielded some amazing information. In addition to widespread government cooperation with the network that has not been reported to the US, A.Q. Khan obtained uranium from Africa, mainly from Niger, where Valerie Plame’s husband, Ambassador Joseph Wilson, discovered the evidence that Iraq was trying to obtain uranium there was a forgery. Most frightening is the extent of Khan’s relationship with bin Laden, apparently trusted enough to look after bin Laden’s investments in Africa. Only time will tell how much bin Laden profited, both in monetary terms and in expanding al Qaeda’s WMD potential, from the generosity of Khan’s nuclear Walmart.

4. Unnamed U.S. Firm - More than 20 firms - including at least one American company - have supplied rogue nations seeking nuclear arms, marking the first time a U.S. company has been linked to the black market network. .(http://www.billingsgazette.com/index.php?id=1&display=r... )

What American company would possibly have had the means and the motive to risk potentially treasonous activity by profiting off black market nuclear proliferation to terrorist organizations and their state sponsors? In the next two sections, an examination into the motives of why Dick Cheney, through his association with Halliburton, would have wanted a sting operation focused on A.Q. Khan’s nuclear Walmart terminated will be conducted, as well as an exploration into how the profits from such a treacherous enterprise could possibly have been laundered.

D. Compromising Positions in Cheney's Past

1. Cheney helped cover-up Pakistani nuclear proliferation in 1989 so US could sell country fighter jets. - When Pakistan's clandestine program involving its top nuclear scientist selling rogue nations, such as Iran and North Korea, blueprints for building an atomic bomb was uncovered last month, the world's leaders waited, with baited breath to see what type of punishment George W. Bush would inflict upon Pakistan's President Pervez Musharaff. Bush has, after all, spent his entire term in office talking tough about countries and dictators that conceal weapons of mass destruction and even tougher on individuals who supply rogue nations and terrorists with the means to build WMD. For all intents and purposes, Pakistan and Musharraf fit that description.

Remember, Bush accused Iraq of harboring a cache of WMD, which was the primary reason he gave for the United States launching a preemptive strike on that country a year ago, and also claimed that Iraq may have given its WMD to al-Qaeda terrorists and/or Syria, weapons that, Bush said, could be used to attack the U.S. Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney and top members of the administration reacted with shock when they found out that Abdul Qadeer Khan, Pakistan's top nuclear scientist, spent the past 15 years selling outlaw nations nuclear technology and equipment. So it was sort of a surprise when Bush, upon finding out about Khan's proliferation of nuclear technology, let Pakistan off with a slap on the wrist. But it was all an act. In fact, it was actually a coverup designed to shield Cheney because he knew about the proliferation for more than a decade and did nothing to stop it.(emphasis added)

Like the terrorist attacks on 9-11, the Bush administration had mountains of evidence on Pakistan's sales of nuclear technology and equipment to nations vilified by the U.S. nations that are considered much more of a threat than Iraq but turned a blind eye to the threat and allowed it to happen. In 1989, the year Khan first started selling nuclear secrets on the black-market; Richard Barlow, a young intelligence analyst working for the Pentagon prepared a shocking report for Cheney, who was then secretary of defense under the Bush I administration: Pakistan built an atomic bomb and was selling its nuclear equipment to countries the U.S. said was sponsoring terrorism. But Barlow's findings, as reported in a January 2002 story in Mother Jones magazine, were "politically inconvenient."

"A finding that Pakistan possessed a nuclear bomb would have triggered a congressionally mandated cutoff of aid to the country, a key ally in the CIA's efforts to support Afghan rebels fighting a pro-Soviet government. It also would have killed a $1.4-billion sale of F-16 fighter jets to Islamabad," Mother Jones reported. Ironically, Pakistan, critics say, was let off the hook last month so the U.S. could use its borders to hunt for al-Qaeda leader and alleged 9-11 mastermind Osama bin Laden. Cheney dismissed Barlow's report because he desperately wanted to sell Pakistan the F-16 fighter planes. Several months later, a Pentagon official was told by Cheney to downplay Pakistan's nuclear capabilities when he testified on the threat before Congress. Barlow complained to his bosses at the Pentagon and was fired. (http://www.pakistan-facts.com/article.php/2004031621042... )
"This was not a failure of intelligence," Barlow told Mother Jones. "The intelligence was in the system."(http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/031004Leop... )

In a New Yorker article published on March 29, 1993, investigative reporter Seymour Hersh quoted Barlow as saying that some high-ranking members inside the CIA and the Pentagon lied to Congress about Pakistan's nuclear arsenal so as not to sacrifice the sale of the F-16 fighter planes to Islamabad, which was secretly equipped to deliver nuclear weapons. Pakistan's nuclear capabilities and had become so grave by the spring of 1990 that then CIA deputy director Richard Kerr said the Pakistani nuclear threat was worse than the Cuban Missile crisis in the 1960s.(http://www.newyorker.com/archive/content/?040119fr_arch... )

In addition to these three sources that corroborate the fact that Cheney knew about A.Q. Khan’s network and rather than report it, chose to profit through sales to Pakistan of fighter jets that could deliver nuclear weapons, Cheney was caught on another case of nuclear proliferation.

2. Halliburton fined $1.2 million in 1995 for selling dual-use nuclear equipment to Libya. - Halliburton came under fire in the early '90s for supplying Libya and Iraq with oil drilling equipment which could be used to detonate nuclear weapons. Halliburton Logging Services, a former subsidiary, was charged with shipping six pulse neutron generators through Italy to Libya. In 1995, the company pled guilty to criminal charges that it violated the U.S. ban on exports to Libya. Halliburton was fined $1.2 million and will pay $2.61 million in civil penalties.

During his chairmanship of Halliburton, Cheney criticized U.S. sanctions against "rogue" nations such as Iran and Libya in a 1998 speech. According to a July 26, 2000, Washington Post story, Cheney complained the sanctions "are nearly always motivated by domestic political pressure, the need for Congress to appeal to some domestic constituency." (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/onpolitics/article... )

3. Existing Halliburton ties to Vice President Dick Cheney – Cheney neglected to mention that he was still due approximately $500,000 in deferred compensation from Halliburton and could potentially profit from his 433,333 shares of unexercised Halliburton stock options.(House of Bush House of Saud by Craig Unger, p. 225.)

Since Halliburton continues to engage in business practices with state sponsors of terrorism and Cheney continues to profit from it, all that is left to do is, in the words of Deep Throat, “Follow the money.” The proceeding section uses circumstantial evidence to show a relationship between several individuals and companies through which the unnamed US firm in Khan’s nuclear Walmart, presumably Halliburton, profited from nuclear proliferation.

E. Links in the Chain Connecting Cheney with Nuclear Proliferation

1. B.S.A. Tahir – Remember this man from Section C? This associate of A.Q. Khan who was identified by President Bush in a speech as the nuclear Walmart’s "chief financial officer and money launderer."(http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4270904 ) BSA TAHIR, a SRI LANKAN businessman based in DUBAI was a trusted and close confidante of A. Q. Khan and was actively involved in supplying centrifuge components for Libya's uranium-enrichment program. BSA TAHIR, who was involved in the business of SCOMI PRECISION ENGINEERING SDN BHD (SCOPE). He used the company to produce components for the centrifuge unit for the uranium enrichment program. Furthermore, the supply of components by middlemen was carried out in a discreet manner and involved suppliers from other countries to blur the sources of the components. Some of the suppliers were believed to be aware that these components could be for uranium enrichment centrifuges. (http://icssa.org/Nuclear_Malaysia.htm )

Which companies could possibly have been connected with the suppliers that helped blur the source of the components? Amazingly, a connection between Scomi and Halliburton can be established with only one other company serving as a buffer between the two: Cognis.

a. Cognis – Service specialist Scomi Group Bhd, is offering multinational oil and gas companies a special fluid to make offshore drilling friendlier to the sea and its inhabitants. Scomi, together with German chemicals specialist, Cognis Gmbh, offers ester-based drilling fluid derived from palm kernel oil. The agreement is between Scomi’s wholly-owned Kota Minerals & Chemicals Sdn Bhd (KMC) and Cognis’ 50%-owned unit, Cognis Oleochemicals (M) Sdn Bhd.(http://www.mida.gov.my/beta/news/view_news.php?id=398 )

Sounds like a perfectly benign, perhaps even altruistic enterprise. How is this company connected with Halliburton? It’s through collaboration with one of Halliburton’s subsidiary companies.

b. Baroid – The drilling fluids containing esters based on renewable natural resources are developed by Cognis in collaboration with Baroid, the drilling fluids service company within the Halliburton Energy Services Group.(http://bbriefings.com/cdps/cditem.cfm?NID=252&CID=10&CF... )

To reiterate the serpentine link:
A.Q. Khan's financial officer (money launderer) was B.S.A. Tahir. (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4270904 )
Tahir used Scomi to produce components for the centrifuge unit for the uranium enrichment program. (http://icssa.org/Nuclear_Malaysia.htm )
Scomi, through its company KMC, worked with Cognis Oleochemicals. (http://www.mida.gov.my/beta/news/view_news.php?id=398 )
Cognis is connected with Baroid (part of the Halliburton Group). (http://bbriefings.com/cdps/cditem.cfm?NID=252&CID=10&CF... )

But the extent of Halliburton/Cheney profiting from nuclear proliferation does not stop there. And Cheney is not the only member of the Bush administration to profit from it.

2. Donald Rumsfeld - Rumsfeld was on ABB board during deal with North Korea.
The Swiss-based ABB on Friday told swissinfo that Rumsfeld was involved with the company in early 2000, when it netted a $200 million (SFr270million) contract with Pyongyang. The ABB contract was to deliver equipment and services for two nuclear power stations at Kumho, on North Korea’s east coast. Rumsfeld – who is one of the Bush administration’s most strident “hardliners” on North Korea – was a member of ABB’s board between 1990 and February 2001, when he left to take up his current post. Wolfram Eberhardt, a spokesman for ABB, told swissinfo that Rumsfeld “was at nearly all the board meetings” during his decade-long involvement with the company.(http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=10... ) It’s bad enough for Rumsfeld to profit off selling nuclear equipment to North Korea. But it doesn’t end there, the organizations involved in this transaction link back to Halliburton once again.

a. KEDO - ABB, which was already building eight nuclear reactors in South Korea, had an inside track on the $4 billion U.S.-sponsored North Korea project. The firm was told "our participation is essential," recalls Frank Murray, project manager for the reactors. (He plays the same role now at Westinghouse, which was acquired by Britain's BNFL in 1999, a year before it also bought ABB's nuclear power business.) The North Korean reactors are being primarily funded by South Korean and Japanese export-import banks and supervised by KEDO, a consortium based in New York. "It was not a matter of favoritism," says Desaix Anderson, who ran KEDO from 1997 to 2001. "It was just a practical matter."(www.worldmessenger.20m.com/news4.html )

b. KNOC - The KEDO (Korean Peninsula Energy Development Organization) is the official Korean government energy corporation. By reading their 2001 energy development summary one can make out all the myriad countries that contribute to KEDO. North Korea lacks necessary production facilities to drill and test for its oil. It is reaching out to many firms and countries to help them while the government attempts to develop some oil fields with as much capital as it can muster. A Singapore firm recently announced (August 29, 2002) significant oil and gas reserves in North Korea. Additionally, Halliburton has partnered with KNOC to develop offshore drilling platforms in South Korea.(www.rmfdevelopment.com/political/NorthKoreaOil.htm )

Yet another serpentine link through which money could be laundered into the willing hands of Halliburton.
Rumsfeld-ABB (http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=10... )
ABB-KEDO (www.worldmessenger.20m.com/news4.html )
KEDO-KNOC-Halliburton (www.rmfdevelopment.com/political/NorthKoreaOil.htm )

But were these links completely separate, or is it possible that there were any other companies besides Halliburton involved with both links of possible proliferation profits? One company not previously mentioned has relationships with companies on both links.

3. Goldman Sachs – a lucrative investment firm that is listed quite prominently as one of the main investors in Cognis on their website.(http://www.cognis.com/framescout.html?/company/company.... ) Also there is a link with Donald Rumsfeld to two organizations, Bilderberg and ABB through the chairman of Goldman Sachs, General Peter Sutherland from Ireland. Some of the Western world's leading financiers and foreign policy strategists attend Bilderberg. Rumsfeld is an active Bilderberger. So is General Peter Sutherland from Ireland, a former European Union commissioner and chairman of Goldman Sachs and of BP. Rumsfeld and Sutherland served together in 2000 on the board of the Swedish/Swiss energy company ABB. ( http://www.fact-index.com/b/bi/bilderberg_group.html )


These links are not in and of themselves direct proof of the laundering of nuclear proliferation profits. But they are proof of a relationship between these companies sharing common goals, through which individuals involved in nuclear proliferation, and there were many in these companies, could operate their network covertly.

F. Conclusions and Recommendations – To conclude, this paper asserts that Dick Cheney is directly responsible for the leaking of Valerie Plame’s name that resulted in sabotaging her CIA career and her cover company, Brewster, Jennings & Associates. CIA operations that were compromised by the leak were associated with A.Q. Khan’s network of nuclear smuggling. Khan’s network, vast enough to be dubbed by IAEA chief Mohamed El Baradei a “nuclear Walmart”, was examined here for the connections it has with terrorist organizations and state sponsors, as well as areas in which the CIA could have been following their activities.

It proves conclusively that Dick Cheney knew about A.Q. Khan’s nuclear Walmart as early as 1989, and chose not to expose the network but to profit from it, which gives him the strongest motive to blow Valerie Plame’s cover. State sponsors of terror that were proven recipients of Cheney’s nuclear proliferation include Pakistan, Libya and possibly Iran. The links between Khan and Cheney involved suppliers from other countries designed to blur the source of the components, but research concludes individuals affiliated with collaborative companies such as Cognis and their investor Goldman Sachs would be the most obvious links in the chain. Such links also exist in the case of Donald Rumsfeld profiting through ABB’s $200 million sale of nuclear equipment to North Korea, which would prove that Halliburton profited from this example of nuclear proliferation as well.

The main recommendation to all who read this is to spread the word. Anyone who reads this who is in a position to investigate this matter further, whether as an activist, investigative reporter or government official, should do so with care and thoroughness. The names and organizations listed in the paper should, with a proper investigation, lead to more damaging evidence that will help solve the crime and establish justice. That is perhaps the most important aspect of this case to remember, that regardless of the prestige and power connected with the parties involved, this is a criminal investigation. It is hoped that no matter what your political persuasion is, that as a law abiding citizen, you stand with us in condemnation of the exposure of Valerie Plame’s identity as a CIA agent as a highly criminal act, and join us in the pursuit of justice for the perpetrators.

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[H2O Man]

27. looks good to me!

very impressive!!!

[Pallas180]

33. ROBERTPAULSEN - still 6 pages long - too much for most

readers.

May I suggest that you start out with the "grabber" your conclusion,
but dont call it your conclusion...

then without too much detail, show Cheney's connections to illegal WMD
shell companies of Halliburton selling to Khan, Khan overseer for bin Laden, Rumsfeld joining in -both selling to North Korea which was illegal under United States sanction list...but which they though they could avoid by establishing off shore mailbox companies...etc.etc



Then as an ending repeat your conclusion, because you have shown how gyou got there.

Check front page for instructions from DU on what length of article should be...I suggest you try to make it no longer than 3 or 3 1/2 pages long.....leaving out itty bitty detail which most readers wont have patience for, such as Baroid, GCA,Suisse NBA..which owned agri bld which owned corgis SMA etc etc ..(for example made up)

and just call it Baroid Company,,,a subsidiary of Halliburton

keep it as simple as possible..too many details just confuse people.
they can always be referred to the full story.

Check out some of the front page stories and Waterman's and you will find that they are very very simple.

What you have written is a wonderful investigative report fit for the
Senate Intelligence Committee,and the Judiciary Committee and they absolutely should receive it in full paper form ! and probably special delivery before Goss gets confirmed.

[Sweet Freedom]

85. Perhaps this is a multi-part article?

Maybe the mods would consider posting this paper in its entirety, as a week-long series? Seems to me, you have five days' worth of articles.

Each day, you could tease the next topic:
Tomorrow, we examine A.Q. Khan’s "Nuclear Walmart": a not-so-secret netherworld where proliferation meshed with globalization.

Then, with each new article, you could link to the previous article.

(I agree with Pallas180 that your conclusion is your beginning. It's a nice summation, in layman's terms, with a call-to-action purpose. Maybe tighten up the last paragraph. Suggestion:

Regardless of the prestige and power of the parties involved in this case, this is a criminal investigation. No matter what your political persuasion, law-abiding citizens must stand together and condemn the criminal act of exposing CIA agent Valerie Plame.

We urge everyone—activists, investigative reporters, government officials—to help spread the word and join us in the pursuit of justice.)

[Pallas180]

96. DIST22DEM" I say, I think she's got it. she's got it "The rain in Spain...

22 DEM 5 part ..absolutely great idea

"tease the next topic"....what does Rove think he's the only one who
knows how to market?

and last para too....

It's a complicated story subject because of the convoluted ways they
worked to hide what they were doing and the many other crooks they
tied in with..

So my view is to start at A, tell em how you get to B, how B goes to
C.......but in the simplest terms...

How would any of us like to be the prosecutors working Enron and some
of these others and trying to figure these things out?

BTW -- Enron is established in INdia....be interesting to google
Halliburton or Brown Root and Enron wouldnt it?

[robertpaulsen]

98. Coming soon: AMERICAN JUDAS - THE MUSICAL

Thanks Pallas, and good morning. Both you and Dist22Dem have some great ideas there. I'll get to work on giving this baby some suspense and intrigue!

I'm glad this is making some blogs in its present form. But I do want this info to reach as many people as possible. So we'll see how it goes!

[shraby]

99. Anyone have any idea on

exactly which direction we want to go with our googling now? I'm lost. :7

[Pallas180]

103. Hi Shraby, I'm catching up - reconnoitering brain matter :)

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[robertpaulsen]

105. I was thinking on exploring more into the ISI-Saudi connection

We've got some good stuff recently on Atta and the whole Sheikh/Mahmood/ISI affair. I'm a little lost myself but I'm gonna go back to thread 17 and see what direction we were going.

I think I want to look into Lt. Gen. Mohammed Aziz and see if he has any connections with the Saudis. Especially the Saudis that died mysteriously - the Prince Ahmed bin Salman connection.

[robertpaulsen]

125. This article has lots of good info on Abu Zubaydah, Mohammed Aziz,al Qaeda

Pakistan's dubious al-Qaeda suspect
Thursday, September 18 2003 @ 05:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time
B Raman
Time magazine of the United States (August 31) carried a commentary on a book written by Gerald Posner, titled Why America Slept. The commentary says, "Most of his new book is a lean, lucid retelling of how the CIA, FBI and US leaders missed a decade's worth of clues and opportunities that, if heeded, Posner argues, might have forestalled the 9/11 terrorist attacks. Posner is an old hand at revisiting conspiracy theories. He wrote controversial assessments dismissing those surrounding the JFK and Martin Luther King Jr assassinations. And the Berkeley-educated lawyer is adept at marshaling an unwieldy mass of information - most of his sources are other books and news stories - into a pattern made tidy and linear by hindsight.

"His indictment of US intelligence and law-enforcement agencies covers well-trodden ground, though sometimes the might-have-beens and could-have-beens are stretched thin. The stuff that is going to spark hot debate is Chapter 19, an account - based on Zubaydah's claims as told to Posner by 'two government sources' who are unnamed but 'in a position to know' - of what two countries allied to the US did to build up al-Qaeda and what they knew before that September day." The reference is to Abu Zubaydah, then projected by the US intelligence agencies as the No 3 to Osama bin Laden in the al-Qaeda. He was arrested by Pakistani authorities at the insistance of the US intelligence, from the house of an office-bearer of the Lashkar-e-Toiba (LET), a member of bin Laden's International Islamic Front (IIF), at Faislabad in Pakistani Punjab on March 28 last year and flown by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) to the US naval base on the Indian Ocean island of Diego Garcia for interrogation. It is not known where he is kept presently.

The book, according to the commentary, refers to a 1996 meeting in Pakistan between bin Laden and Mushaf Ali Mir, a high-ranking officer of the Pakistan Air Force (PAF), who subsequently became the chief of the air staff in November 2000 and died in a mysterious plane crash in February this year. The book, according to Time, cites Abu Zubaydah as having claimed that he was present at the meeting during which "bin Laden struck a deal with Mir, then in the military but tied closely to Islamists in Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI), to get protection, arms and supplies for al-Qaeda. Zubaydah told interrogators bin Laden said the arrangement was blessed by the Saudis." The mention of Mushaf Ali Mir by Abu Zubaydah as the ISI's contact man with bin Laden is surprising for the following reasons. First, the Pakistani army, which has always controlled the ISI, never associates officers of the air force and the navy with its sensitive covert operations. Second, it generally does not allow officers of the air force and the navy to head the ISI or to occupy sensitive positions in it.

Since 1988, when the Pakistan army used bin Laden and his tribal hordes to brutally suppress a Shi'ite revolt in Gilgit in Pakistan, contacts with bin Laden have always been handled by senior officers of the army. Among those who had handled bin Laden (in order of importance) are General Mohammad Aziz, a Kashmiri from Pakistan-occupied Kashmir (POK) belonging to the Sudan tribe, who is now chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Committee, General Pervez Musharraf (now president), General Mehmood Ahmed, director general of the ISI from October 1999 to October 2001, when he was reportedly removed under US pressure because of his links with al-Qaeda, and Lieutenant-General Ehsanul Haq, the present director general of the ISI since October 2001, who was before that the Corps Commander at Peshawar, the capital of the North-West Frontier Province (NWFP).

General Aziz was deputy director general of the ISI as a major-general until November, 1998, when Musharraf appointed him as his Chief of the General Staff (CGS) after his promotion as a Lieutenant-General. Since Musharraf did not trust Lieutenant-General Ziauddin, whom Nawaz Sharif, the then prime minister, had appointed as the director general of the ISI, he ordered the transfer of all files relating to the Taliban, al-Qaeda and terrorist operations in India from the ISI to the office of the CGS. Aziz continued handling these operations. There were four phases in the ISI's relations with bin Laden. In the first phase before 1990, the ISI did not feel the need to keep the relations secret from the US's Central Intelligence Agency (CIA).The two were operating him jointly. In fact, it was the CIA which brought him from Saudi Arabia initially, to make use of his civil engineering skills for the construction of tunnels in difficult terrain in Afghanistan. He subsequently became the head and mentor of the Arab mercenaries who had been brought by the Western intelligence agencies to Afghanistan for helping the Afghan mujahideen in their jihad against the Soviet troops.

In the second phase between 1990 and 1996, there were no reports of any contacts between the ISI and bin Laden. He was initially in Saudi Arabia and then the Sudan. During this period, Pakistani jihadi leaders such as Maulana Masood Azhar, then of the Harkat-ul-Ansar (HUA) and now of the Jaish-e-Mohammad (JEM), Fazlur Rahman Khalil, then of the HUA and now of the Harkat-ul-Mujahideen (HUM), and Professor Hafeez Mohammad Sayeed, the head of the Markaz Dawa al-Irshad, the political wing of the LET, used to visit bin Laden, initially in Saudi Arabia and then in Sudan. Since all these jihadi leaders had close contacts with the ISI, it was very likely that they had kept the ISI informed of their discussions with bin Laden and of the activities of al-Qaeda in Somalia and Saudi Arabia. The third phase was between 1996 and October 7, 2001. In the beginning of 1996, the Sudanese government asked him to leave Khartoum. Through the Pakistani jihadi leaders, he sought the permission of the Burhanuddin Rabbani government, then in power in Kabul, to shift to Jalalabad in Afghanistan. After consulting the Benazir Bhutto government, then in office in Islamabad, Rabbani allowed him and his entourage to shift to Jalalabad. Shortly thereafter, the Taliban captured Jalalabad and Kabul in September, 1996. Mullah Mohammad Omar, the head of the Taliban, ordered the shifting of bin Laden and his entourage to Kandahar, where the Taliban had set up its religious headquarters.

A number of serving and retired officers of the Pakistan army and the ISI, such as Mohammad Aziz, Lieutenant-General (retd) Hamid Gul, former director general of the ISI, and Lieutenant-General (retd) Javed Nasir, another former director general of the ISI, called on bin Laden at Jalalabad and then Kandahar and used to remain in touch with him. Aziz used to organize his periodic medical check-ups at a Pakistani military hospital at Peshawar. None of the reports received during this period mentioned the presence of either Mushaf Ali Mir or Abu Zubaydah at any of these meetings. The US was aware of the shifting of bin Laden and his entourage to Afghanistan. Though al-Qaeda had been suspected in the attack on US troops in Somalia in 1993, and in the explosions in Saudi Arabia in 1996 targeting US troops, the US did not exercise pressure on the Taliban to hand over bin Laden. During this period, Unocal, a US oil company, was very hopeful of getting the approval of the Taliban government for its oil and gas pipeline project, and US officials such as Robin Raphael, then assistant secretary of state, used to interact with the Taliban on this subject. There were no reports of their ever having raised the issue of bin Laden with the Taliban.

It was only after bin Laden formed his International Islamic Front (IIF) in February 1998 and called for a jihad against the US and Israel that the US started pressuring the Nawaz Sharif government to make the Taliban hand over bin Laden to the US for trial. The pressure increased after the explosions organized by al-Qaeda outside the US embassies in Nairobi and Dar-es-Salaam in August 1998. By then, Unocal had also abandoned its pipeline project in collaboration with the Taliban following an outcry among women's groups in the West over the Taliban's anti-women policies. In the midst of all these happenings, Mohammad Aziz and Hamid Gul kept in regular touch with bin Laden and the Taliban leader. The Taliban had allowed the HUM to set up training camps in its territory with Arab and Chechen instructors from al-Qaeda. These were among the camps destroyed by the US cruise missile strikes in retaliation for the explosions in Kenya and Tanzaniya.

As the US pressure increased, Musharraf and Mohammad Aziz presented to Nawaz in the beginning of 1999 a plan for shifting all the terrorists belonging to al-Qaeda and its allied organizations from Afghanistan to the Kargil heights in Jammu and Kashmir (J&K), and let them loose against the Indian army. They argued that by doing so they would be able to escape US pressure and, at the same time, add to the difficulties of the Indian army. It was this plan which Nawaz approved. After the fighting in Kargil broke out, Nawaz was totally surprised to learn that Musharraf and Aziz had used regular Pakistani army troops and not the terrorists for occupying the Kargil heights. Why Musharraf changed the plan is not clear. Some say that he and Aziz did shift some of the terrorists from Afghanistan to Skardu in Gilgit, and sent them to occupy the Kargil heights. They were surprised by the ease with each they moved into the heights, and by the reports received from the terrorists that there was no Indian army presence on the other side. They then decided to send the army in to replace the terrorists and occupy the area.

Others say that Musharraf and Aziz had from the beginning planned to send the troops and not the terrorists, but had told Nawaz that they would be using the terrorists since they felt that Nawaz would never approve the plan if they told him that they intended to use regular troops. After the withdrawal of the Pakistani troops from the Kargil area under US pressure, the US again took up with Nawaz the question of Pakistani help to get hold of bin Laden. This matter came up during a visit of Ziauddin to Washington. The US wanted Pakistan's help for organizing a commando operation into Kandahar to catch bin Laden and his entourage. Nawaz asked the US to be patient, and sent Ziauddin to Kandahar to persuade Mullah Omar to hand over bin Laden to the US. He refused.

Nawaz and Ziauddin had not kept Musharraf and Aziz in the picture. On coming to know of Ziauddin's secret visit to Kandahar, Musharraf sent Aziz to Mullah Omar to tell him that he should not obey any instructions of Ziauddin. Nawaz came to know of this, and this was one of the factors that contributed to his decision to sack Musharraf on October 12, 1999, which in turn led to his overthrow and Musharraf assuming power in a bloodless coup. After Musharraf took over power, Aziz, who continued to be his CGS, and Lieutenant-General Mahmood Ahmed, who had replaced Ziauddin as the director general of the ISI, continued to remain in touch with bin Laden, who kept coming to Peshawar for his medical check-ups at the local military hospital. In the middle of 2001, a function was held in Kabul at which the first group of Taliban officers trained by the Pakistan army passed out. Among those who attended this function were bin Laden, Hamid Gul and Ehsanul Haq, then Corps Commander, Peshawar.

After September, under US pressure, Musharraf sent a team of Pakistani mullahs headed by Mufti Nizamuddin Shamzai, the chief of the Binori madrassa (religious school) of Karachi, to Kandahar, ostensibly to persuade the Taliban to hand over bin Laden to the US. Mahmood Ahmed accompanied them. Surprisingly, instead of asking him to hand over bin Laden, the mullahs, in the presence of Mahmood Ahmed, complimented him for resisting US pressure. It was reported that the US somehow came to know of this and it was under its pressure that Musharraf had to remove Aziz and Mahmood Ahmed from their posts when the US operations began in Afghanistan on October 7, 2001.

http://www.pakistan-facts.com/article.php/20030918213417566

Wow. Musharraf, Aziz, and Mahmood Ahmed used to "handle" bin Laden.

Hope I highlighted all the good stuff. If I missed anything important, please repost it.

[robertpaulsen]

130. Here's the story again, but with a good question.

Here are the new bits, the rest is at the link.

25. Since August last year, bin Laden has disappeared from the Binori madrasa. One is no longer certain whether he is alive or dead and, if he is alive, where he is . Since a number of messages purported to be of his have been circulating, he is presumed to be alive unless proved to be dead. After August last year, there has not been a single reliable report of his being sighted anywhere in Pakistan or Afghanistan or elsewhere in the world. Like the proverbial ghosts, he is only heard, but not seen.

26.Why did Abu Zubaidah mention to his FBI and CIA interrogators that it was Mushaf Ali Mir who was in touch with bin Laden? One can only speculate. It was probably to draw suspicion away from Mohammad Aziz, Musharraf and Ehsanul Haq.

27. There is, however, one intriguing aspect about Mushaf Ali Mir. He did not enjoy a great reputation in the PAF. He was heading the military equipment manufacturing complex at Kamra. In November,2000, Musharraf, who liked Mushaf Ali Mir tremendously, superseded five highly distinguished officers of the PAF and appointed Mir as the Chief of the Air Staff. The supersession of so many officers came in for strong criticism from a number of retired officers of the Pakistani Armed Forces. Why did Musharraf feel obliged to promote this mediocre officer even at the risk of causing widespread unhappiness in the PAF? A question to which there has been no answer.

http://www.saag.org/papers8/paper786.html

Perhaps Zubaydah threw Mushaf Ali Mir out as a red herring. But why did Mir die in a plane crash?

[Pallas180]

101. RP bwaahaha laughing.. can you see chicanery cheney doing pirouette? n/t

:bounce:

[robertpaulsen]

29. Thread 17 spotlight on W88, Atta and Pakistan

shraby (1000+ posts) Tue Aug-10-04 07:22 PM
Response to Reply #91

299. This may help with yer link on W 88


By Robert Parry September 18, 2000

(snip)

Yet, ignored amid the dark suspicions about the Clinton-Gore administration and the embarrassing collapse of the Lee case was another startling set of facts pointing in a very different direction: to illegal U.S.-Chinese intelligence collaboration implicating the Reagan-Bush administration.

Little-noticed evidence from the Iran-contra files reveals that it was the Reagan-Bush administration that opened the door to sharing sensitive national security secrets with communist China in the 1980s.

This clandestine relationship evolved from China's agreement to supply sophisticated weapons to the Nicaraguan contras beginning in 1984, a deal with the White House that entrusted China with one of the government's most sensitive intelligence secrets, the existence of Oliver North's contra supply network.

In the years after that secretly brokered deal, the Republican administration permitted trips in which U.S. nuclear scientists, including physicist Wen Ho Lee, visited China in scientific exchange programs. Those visits corresponded with China's rapid development of sophisticated nuclear weapons, culminating in the apparent compromise of sensitive U.S. nuclear secrets by 1988.

(much more)

<http://liberaleagle.tripod.com/eagle62.html >


shraby (1000+ posts) Tue Aug-10-04 08:09 PM
Response to Reply #303

304. There is a lot of Wen Ho Lee stuff


on Findlaw. I didn't dig into it though.

<http://news.findlaw.com/legalnews/lit/lee />


Pallas180 (1000+ posts) Mon Aug-09-04 04:41 PM
Response to Reply #172

174. Pakistan $ 100,000 to 2 Atta BANKS IN FLORIDA - FLORIDA

Edited on Mon Aug-09-04 04:46 PM by Pallas180
home of Jebby, and sometimes pappy...

okay. why is there no more information on the money and the banks
that went to Atta in Florida.

What banks? names?

where did the money go after that?

He took down two WTC buildings, hijacked three planes, and killed 3000 people for $100,000 ?

nahh, someone who wears a rolex knows the value of money...

_____________________________________

http://us.rediff.com/news/2003/sep/25us.htm
http://www.prisonplanet.com/092603isi.html

'US ignored its own agency's reports on ISI backing Al Qaeda'
September 25, 2003 17:08 IST

America's Defence Intelligence Agency was aware that Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) was sponsoring the Taliban and Al Qaeda, but the Bush Administration chose to ignore its findings, a former top Indian intelligence officer has said.

B Raman, former additional secretary in the Cabinet Secretariat, analysed three recently de-classified DIA documents of 2001 relating to the Taliban and Al Qaeda and said, "From these documents, it is clear that the DIA knew of the ISI's role in sponsoring not only the Taliban, but also the Al Qaeda."

"Yet the Bush Administration has for over two years chosen to close its eyes to the complicity of Pakistan and to project President General Pervez Musharraf to its own public as well as to the international community as a frontline ally in the war against terrorism. Why? A question to which there has been no convincing answer," he said in an article in Hong Kong-based weekly Asia Times.

shraby (1000+ posts) Mon Aug-09-04 05:42 AM
Response to Reply #142

144. There is a sentence in here that


puzzles me. Wasn't stuff pretty much destroyed in all the planes?

Because the flight from Portland to Boston had been delayed, his bags did not make it onto Flight 11. When later found by US authorities, they contained airline uniforms, flight manuals and a four-page document in Arabic, copies of which were also found with the terrorists of the other three planes. It contains a list of instructions, such as "make an oath to die and renew your intentions", "you should feel complete tranquility, because the time between you and your marriage in heaven is very short", "check your weapon before you leave and long before you leave. You must make your knife sharp and you must not discomfort your animal during the slaughter". The writer of this document is now believed to have been Abdulaziz al-Omari.

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Atta >


shraby (1000+ posts) Mon Aug-09-04 09:45 PM
Response to Reply #201

214. Maybe General Musharraf of Pakistan

Edited on Mon Aug-09-04 10:17 PM by shraby
should be googled. I've been working on it. Here is an interesting line from an article:

"The pivotal moment in General Musharraf's presidency was 11 September, 2001."

<http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/1742997.stm >

More on Musharraf:

(snip)
1979-1985: Musharraf catches the eye of General Zia-ul-Haq (who is also a Mohajir) and Lt. General Mirza Aslam Beg (also a Mohajir with family ties to Central Asia and Afghanistan). It is said that General Zia-ul-Haq chose Musharraf for advancement as he was a devout Deobandi and was strongly recommended by other religious parties like the Jamaat-e-Islami.

General Zia set up a series of martial law administration offices in the various sub-units of Pakistan. Musharraf served in a District Martial Law Administration HQ.

Musharraf became closely involved in the job of preparing the `Mujaheddin' for the Anti-Soviet Jihad in Afghanistan. In this effort he worked closely with Mahmud Ali Durrani, Mohammed Aziz Khan, and officers of the CIA. At the Pakistani end the process involved identifying madrassahs for indoctrination, military training, and planning the logistics of the covert war. It is in this period that the Binori Madrassa (Karachi), the Darul Uloom Haqqania (Akora Khattak), and the Jamiya Ashrafiya (Lahore) began their meteoric rise. It is during this time that Musharraf came into contact with the Harakat ul Mujaheedin (HuM). The HuM developed as nodal body in the Afghan Jihad. There are also reports of contact with narcotics smugglers.

It is also suggested that Musharraf secretly attended at least one course at the Green Berets training school at Fort Bragg. Accounts indicate Musharraf's performance in these courses was above average. Some regarded him as a `natural' in the field of Psywar techniques.

(snip)

During these operations in the Siachen area and in the Northern Areas (Gilgit and Baltistan), Musharraf developed a close personal friendship with Lt.General Javed Nasir, who was then Director-General of Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI). He currently serves as Musharraf's Advisor on intelligence matters. Musharraf also befriended Major General Zaheer-ul-Islam Abbasi (then a Brigadier). Major General Abbasi was later arrested and jailed during Benazir Bhutto's time for conspiring to overthrow her and establish an Islamic state. Musharraf also build strong ties to Lt.General Mohammed Aziz Khan and Mohammed Rafique Tarar. It is interesting to note that eventually Lt. General Mohammed Aziz and President Tarar helped Musharraf conduct and `legalize? his coup against the Nawaz Sharif government. President Tarar however was later `retired' from post of the President of Pakistan .

(snip)

(year 2000)
Musharraf set up a secret task force in the ISI headed by Lt.GeneralMahmood Ahmed, the DG, and consisting of Lt.General (r) Moinuddin Haider, Interior Minister, and Lt.General Muzaffar Usmani, Deputy Chief of the Army Staff, to break the PPP, the MQM and the Sindhi nationalists.

June 20, 2001: He appointed himself President of Pakistan.

<http://www.pakistan-facts.com/staticpages/index.php/200... >

this is a comprehensive history of him. Question I have..is he a CIA agent?
The coup was in 1999..from another source.




Sorry, I gotta leave. See y'all tomorrow

[Me.]

30. From The Vanity Fair Article

snippets

“ Wilson was caught off guard when around July 9 he received a phone call from Robert Novak, who, according to Wilson, said he'd been told by a C.I.A. source that Wilson's wife worked for the agency. "Can you confirm or deny?" Wilson recalls Novak as saying. "I need another source."

When the Novak story ran, identifying not the C.I.A. as the source of the leak but "two senior administration officials," Wilson says, he called Novak and said, "When you asked for the confirmation you said a 'C.I.A. source.'" "I misspoke," Wilson says Novak replied. (Novak declined to comment.)

In the days after the Novak column ran, a producer from ABC-Wilson will not say who-phoned him at home and said, "They're saying things about you at the White House so off-the-wall we can't even put them up." NBC's Andrea Mitchell called him that weekend, he says, and told him that sources at the White House were telling her, "The real story here is not the 16 words-the real story is Wilson and his wife." Next, Wilson got a call from a journalist whom he won't name-but who is widely thought to be Chris Matthews-who, according to Wilson, gushed, "I just got off the phone with Karl Rove. He says your wife is fair game. I gotta go." Click.

Timothy M. Phelps and Knut Royce's July 22 Newsday story quotes Novak as saying he had not had to dig out Plame's name; rather, it had been given to him. "They (the leakers) thought it was significant, they gave me the name and I used it."

Phelps and Royce also cited a "senior intelligence official" who said that Plame did not recommend her husband for the Niger job, adding, "There are people elsewhere in the government who are trying to make her look like she was the one who was cooking this up, for some reason. I can't figure out what it could be. We paid his (Wilson's) airfare. But to go to Niger is not exactly a benefit. Most people you'd have to pay big bucks to go there." Wilson said he was reimbursed only for expenses.

http://www.jimgilliam.com/2004/01/vanity_fairs_profile_on_joseph_wilson_and_valerie_plame.php

[Pallas180]

31. So much was made of Wen Ho Lee - I suspect it was cover-up for the true

trader of nuclear secrets at the time in the 80's.

Misinformation and disinformation.

None other than veep, CIA's and eventually prez pappy.

Why is it that it is called the "administration" and nowhere does
Pappy's position as head of CIA or veep or prez appear?

And wasn't Baker III Secretary of State for pappy.

Was he Secretary of State for Reagan or in govt at the time of Reagan?
He's always around when an arbusto is around, so was he?

WHY?

[shraby]

35. THE TIMELINE TELLS THE STORY

OF HOW THE CIA-DRUG CONTROVERSY WAS CLINTON'S HOLE CARD IN THE IMPEACHMENT!

(snip)

March 1998 - About a week after the surprise hearing on Vol. I on March 16, Maxine gets the smoking letter implicating Starr in the mail She's surprised that she got it. But it came from another Clinton appointee either George Tenet or Fred Hitz - I'm not clear which. At the same time she does a walking tour of South Central LA with the Federal Reserve Chairman, Alan Greenspan. Shortly thereafter her district receives several hundred million dollars in investment credits.

The declassified version of Volume II is released to the public on Oct. 8th by George Tenet, one hour after Henry Hyde's committee votes to begin an impeachment inquiry. (No doubt at the President's direction here). I know this because I was talking to Mike Schmitz in Maxine's office less than an hour after it happened.

(snip)

Bill Clinton basically said that if he was going anyway it wouldn't have mattered what came out about Mena. So he was going to take everyone else down with him.

(snip)

ALERT! 1-1-99
CIA-Drug Report Now A Part of the Impeachment Battle

Michael Ruppert Receiving Death Threats

© Copyright 1999, From The Wilderness and Michael C. Ruppert at www.copvcia.com.
All rights reserved.

This document may be re-posted or reprinted without restriction
only if the above copyright information appears.

There is now no doubt that Volume II of the CIA Inspector General's investigation of Contra Drug trafficking is a part of the impeachment calculus. Various sources are reporting on the net that Bill Clinton is threatening to bring down the entire government with Volume II hearings which are supposed to occur within the next three weeks. As described in the October and November issues of my newsletter From The Wilderness, Volume II, released October 8th is a virtual confession by the CIA that it criminally conspired, with premeditation, to traffic in cocaine during the Contra war.

Long time Clinton critic, Larry Nichols, released a newsletter yesterday in which he acknowledged this scenario and attempted to cut the issue off from reaching former president George Bush. In that newsletter he stated that although Oliver North and John Poindexter (both implicated by Vol. II) were guilty of dealing drugs, they were, "rogue elements who were not a part of the 'racquet club'." This is a patently false and absurd statement intended to separate George Bush (hence his sons) from guilt in CIA's fifty years of drug dealing. Nichols is reportedly aligned politically with Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell who are both supporting George W. Bush for president in the year 2000.

Evidence linking George Bush, the National Security Council and the White House directly to Contra era drug trafficking is abundant and irrefutable. It includes (just to list a few items):

I. Executive Order 12333 and National Security Decision Directives 2&3 which placed Bush directly in control of all national security operations including drug interdiction and the contra war.

II. The fact that Special Forces personnel including Bill Tyree were ordered to participate in CIA drug mission during the 1970s when George Bush was Director of Central Intelligence. Direct evidence of this is contained in a 1998 $63 million federal lawsuit filed in Boston, Tyree v. CIA, Bush et al. This suit can be referenced at "Tyree".

III. The fact that George Bush was Director of Central Intelligence when I was first exposed to CIA drug trafficking and CIA attempted to recruit me through my (then) fiancee who was a CIA agent.

IV. Direct links to George Bush's staff arising from investigations into Barry Seal.

V. The investigation by former Federal Public defender John Mattes which located the phone number of Bush aide Col. Menarchik in the possession of an alleged gun runner, Jesus Garcia, connected to drugs.

VI. Gary Webb's magnificent book, Dark Alliance.

VII. Terry Reed's book Compromised and his witness statements to the effect that Bill Casey (i.e. George Bush) had anointed Clinton to become president if he behaved himself.

VIII. The written testimony of Celerino Castillo (DEA retired) in which Cele was told by U.S. Ambassador Edwin Corr that CIA drug dealing out of Ilopango airfield in El Salvador was a "White House operation."

IX. The written testimony of Michael C. Ruppert in which I was told by a former NSC staffer that decisions to deal drugs were made at the NSC (White House) level.

X. The investigation of Col. Albert Vincent Carone which shows that Oliver North's and George Bush's chief bagman had direct links to both Geo. Bush and Bill Casey.

XI. The written record of Senator John Kerrey's investigation into CIA drug trafficking of eleven years ago which produced mountains of evidence linking directly to Donald P. Gregg, Geo, Bush's national security adviser.

Even the CIA report itself describes special briefings for then Vice President Bush which indicate his culpability.

CIA drug dealing is not an isolated or rogue event. In the U.S. v. Roy Reagan, Tucson (1998) former CIA pilot and special independent counsel Gary Eitel testified that CIA was flying drugs into Mena, AK as far back as 1972-5.

In my opinion Bill Clinton is threatening to scorch the earth and to bring down the entire government. This becomes even more likely as Rep Chris Cox's House Committee looking into technology transfers to China raises the specter of treason in connection to the Clinton administration. It should be remembered that many of these transfers began under Geo. Bush and that the Bush family has extensive business investments in China.

Note that Volume II of the CIA's Inspector general report In reviewing the events of the past four years, since Gary Webb's magnificent stories in The San Jose Mercury News, I notice a pattern which indicates that the Webb stories may well have been planted, without his knowledge, in preparation for just the scenario we see being played out now. Ken Starr, who authored a memorandum between Reagan Attorney General William French-Smith and Bill Casey showing premeditation on the part of CIA and the administration to deal drugs, was appointed Independent Counsel in late 1994. In the summer of 1995 source Coral Baca showed up at Gary Webb's doorstep with documents which started his whole CIA investigation. Coral Baca is now married to the infamous drug dealer Carlos Lehder who was at one time the number three man in the Medellin cartel and who was imprisoned by Geo. Bush and later used as the chief witness against Manuel Noriega.

George Bush overthrew the Medellin cartel in favor of the Cali cartel at the end of the Contra war. That is a motive for revenge against Bush.

For the record, I will restate my belief that William Jefferson Clinton is guilty of a great many crimes including drug smuggling at Mena, illegal fundraising and the illegal and treasonous transfer of technology to China. But Bill Clinton did not begin this treason and his removal will not end it. Bill Clinton is a side of the same coin as George Bush and although they may be feuding with each other they must both go down, in measure for their crimes, if the truth is to win out and the American people are to be served.

For the record, if I had my choice as to which one of the two represented the greater evil, I would say George Bush - without the blink of an eye. I'll give you just two reasons for that: George W. and Jeb.

DEATH THREATS

I have made a number of radio appearances in which I have discussed parts of the above and my support for Maxine Waters who has been the single most significant Congressional voice on the issue of CIA drug dealing. It is possible for me to support her without saying that I endorse Bill Clinton. On Dec. 30, I was a guest for three hours on the Sightings radio program of host Jeff Rense in 35 cities nationwide. Several of my writings have been posted at various places on the web. As a result I have received a number of death threats and other intimidating messages calling me a "nigger lover", "traitor to my race" etc. and stating, "We have ways of dealing with your kind".

For the record I am proud to have received the endorsement of a number of African-American groups including the Baptist Ministerial Conference of Southern California, The National Alliance Against Racist and Political Repression, Kwanzaa, The Mount Zigurat Baptist Church, Maddads, 1800 Unite-Us, yes, and even the Panther Vanguard Movement. I will be proud to die, if necessary, claiming them as advocates of the truth. We have been pitted against each other by race, sex, political affiliation, geographic location for too long. Just as evil knows no color, neither does virtue.

When someone shows me a more outspoken leader in Congress on the issue of CIA and drugs than Maxine Waters then I will support them.

What I need now is money and support: money to get to Washington for hearings and cover the thousands I am spending on mailings and the web page, and support to distribute this message.

In a subsequent message I will tell you of a meeting on January 12 at 46th and Main which will begin the process of organizing a protest March at the intersection of Florence and Normandie on April 29, 1999, solely on the issue of CIA and drugs. We expect 10,000. This March will include all races, sexes and political viewpoints and it will demonstrate that the American public does have a voice and is capable of using it.

Mike Ruppert
1-1-99

(more on vol. II in a link on the page/I'll post that next)

<http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/politics/alert_Jan.1.html>

[shraby]

102. Collected Articles About Barry Seal

There is a bunch of info here. Barry Seal was in on the drug running at Mena

<http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/MENA/SEAL/seal.html>

[RebelYell]

104. The picture on the cover

of "Barry & The Boys" was taken in January, 1963....sitting at a table in a restaurant in Mexico City were Frank Sturgis (of Watergate fame), Barry Seal and none other than Lee Harvey Oswald.

If anyone wants a crash course on our shadow gov't, that book will get you off to a good start.

[shraby]

106. Here is a bank used by the Iran/Contra

Popular Bank is one of several Florida banks identified as holding Contra accounts

POPULAR BK OF FL Coral Gables
Popular Bank of Florida A full service Bank with 12 different locations throughout Central and Souith America. Specializng in both Foreign and Domestic markets, affiliated with Credomatic, GBM and BAC International Bank.

Where was Mohammed Atta?????

[RebelYell]

108. Amazing,

simply amazing.

The powers that be don't care if people like us connect all the dots. They think we're powerless to stop them.

I, for one, won't stop enlightening anyone who will listen, until the murdering theives have no credibility left at all.

[Pallas180]

113. Shraby, a lot of South Americans, Brazilians, Venezuelans

make buying trips to Florida and also smuggling money out trips to
Florida and then eventually buy in Southern Florida, beautiful
expensive houses...many are trying to escape the kidnappings and
crime in their own countries.

I was talking to a lady and her husband in a store and she was saying
they had moved to the United States, Florida for safety...and now she
knows there is no longer any safe place in the world.

Sad commentary. True.

[Pallas180]

40. Shraby repost on WEn Ho Lee for info on W88

This may help with yer link on W 88


By Robert Parry September 18, 2000

(snip)

Yet, ignored amid the dark suspicions about the Clinton-Gore administration and the embarrassing collapse of the Lee case was another startling set of facts pointing in a very different direction: to illegal U.S.-Chinese intelligence collaboration implicating the Reagan-Bush administration.

Little-noticed evidence from the Iran-contra files reveals that it was the Reagan-Bush administration that opened the door to sharing sensitive national security secrets with communist China in the 1980s.

This clandestine relationship evolved from China's agreement to supply sophisticated weapons to the Nicaraguan contras beginning in 1984, a deal with the White House that entrusted China with one of the government's most sensitive intelligence secrets, the existence of Oliver North's contra supply network.

In the years after that secretly brokered deal, the Republican administration permitted trips in which U.S. nuclear scientists, including physicist Wen Ho Lee, visited China in scientific exchange programs. Those visits corresponded with China's rapid development of sophisticated nuclear weapons, culminating in the apparent compromise of sensitive U.S. nuclear secrets by 1988.

(much more)

<http://liberaleagle.tripod.com/eagle62.html >

___________
shraby (1000+ posts) Tue Aug-10-04 03:28 PM
Response to Reply #299

300. A little more on the W 88

Edited on Tue Aug-10-04 03:29 PM by shraby
Seven years later, in 1995, a purported Chinese defector walked into the U.S. Embassy in Taiwan and turned over a document. Dated 1988, the document contained detailed information about U.S.-designed nuclear warheads.

The document showed that Chinese intelligence possessed the secrets of the W-88 miniaturized nuclear bomb by the last year of Ronald Reagan's presidency. China's first test of a light warhead similar to the W-88 was conducted in 1992, the last year of George H.W. Bush's presidency.

In other words, the secrets of the W-88 the central concern about Chinese nuclear espionage had been compromised before the Clinton-Gore administration began. Logic would dictate then that any serious investigation into how Chinese intelligence maneuvered into a position to glean U.S. nuclear secrets should focus on the Reagan-Bush years when the secrets were lost, not the Clinton-Gore years.

China's Missile Shipment

An examination of the Reagan-Bush time frame and particularly the Iran-contra files reveal how Chinese military intelligence ingratiated itself with the U.S. government. In 1984, the Reagan-Bush administration was desperately seeking a source of anti-aircraft missiles that could be smuggled to the Nicaraguan contras, a CIA-backed operation that was seeking to overthrow the leftist Sandinista government of Nicaragua.

(more)

<http://liberaleagle.tripod.com/eagle62.html >

_______________
shraby (1000+ posts) Tue Aug-10-04 03:46 PM
Response to Reply #300

302. Indictment of WEN HO LEE


This doesn't even cover back as far as the 1980s. Only 1993-1994.


<http://www.fas.org/irp/ops/ci/docs/lee_indict.html >


__________________________

shraby (1000+ posts) Tue Aug-10-04 04:12 PM
Response to Reply #304

305. There is an interesting paragraph


on this site. The rest of it isn't much good.

"Of course, there are also the apparent comparisons between Dr. Lee's offenses and the national security breaches committed by former Central Intelligence Agency director, Dr. John Deutsch. As in Lee's case, Deutsch deleted classified information from his computer upon learning that he was under investigation. However, in the Deutsch case, investigators found only 17,000 pages of top-secret files related to government's most sensitive covert operations in his unsecured computer, as opposed to the undefined 'massive' amount of nuclear secrets which Lee downloaded (although admittedly, it wasn't actually classified as secret until after Lee had downloaded it)."

<http://unquietmind.com/wenholee.html >

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[RebelYell]

48. Here's Hopsicker's August article on Atta/Edmonds

Hopsicker knows more about Atta than anyone.

http://www.madcowprod.com/

“There are certain points... where you have your drug related activities combined with money laundering and information laundering, converging with your terrorist activities.” Sibel Edmonds, former FBI translator

Aug 10 2004-Venice,FL.
by Daniel Hopsicker


FIFTEEN MONTHS before the 9/11 attack a 26-year old Moroccan man whose name and multiple aliases appear on numerous terrorist watch lists started a company in Florida a man who is today the Chief Military Attaché for the Moroccan Embassy in Washington, DC.
On June 30, 2000, as Atta and Al-Shehhi began flight training at Huffman Aviation, terror list suspect Mohammed Arara joined Colonel Ahmed Arara, the Military Attaché of the Embassy of the Kingdom of Morocco, and a third man, “Joseph El Sheik,” to incorporate Titim Holdings, Inc. with the Florida Department of Corporations, at an address just a stone’s throw from an apartment in Coral Springs used by Atta and Marwan.

“Titim” is a verb in Gaelic, we discovered. It means “to fall down.”

The Moroccan military attaché and his two Arab companions had just launched “Falling Down Inc.”

The “Mohammed Arara” on the Finnish Banking Authorities Terrorist Watch list—so called because after being distributed worldwide by the FBI it was inadvertently made public by Finland in Oct of 2001—has the same vital statistics as the man of the same name who went into business with the Moroccan Kingdom’s Defense Attaché in Washington.

To cite just one example: both the ‘Mohammed Arara’ on the watch list and the ‘Mohammed Arara’ in business with Col Arara listed the same home address: 117 Westwood Ct., in Lake Worth, FL. This same address is also used by the Moroccan Embassy’s Col. Arara.

Six weeks after the attack, on October 25, 2001, the Palm Beach Daily Business Review reported Titim's Holdings Inc. paid $2.9 million for a 22,735-square-foot office building in nearby Coral Springs, FL.

Col. Arara has not returned calls to the Moroccan Embassy in Washington D.C. for comment.

"Just don't use my name in Haiti"

In addition to being business partners, Colonel Ahmed Arara and Mohammed Arara (whose family relationship if any remains unknown at this time) share the same home address, according to documents filed with the state of Florida, where both men used the same address in Atlantis, FL, just outside the Palm Beach County Park Airport.

During the final month of preparation before the attack, terrorist ringleader Mohamed Atta flew out of this airport on numerous unexplained flights with still-unidentified companions. Mohammed Arara may have been one of these companions.

"Colonel, this is Guido. Guido, meet the Colonel"
But Mohammed Arara has other unexplained ties that are equally startling.

Three of the addresses on the Terrorist Watch List for suspected terrorist pilot Mohammed Arara also lead back to a mysterious German national, who we have until now identified as Pascal Schreier, 32, and his wife, Sandra Hamouda, a French-Tunisian woman who took over a flight school at Charlotte County Airport when it went bankrupt in February 2001, stranding dozens of foreign flight students, most of them, curiously, Moroccan or Tunisian.

Terror suspect Arara’s listed addresses include 514 El Vernona Ave in Sarasota FL; 1670 Via Bianca in Punta Gorda FL; and 117 Mooney Ave., also in Punta Gorda FL.

All three properties belong to Hamouda and Schreier. Called "Guido Pascal Schreier" in court documents, he was responsible for spearheading the European recruiting efforts of the Dutch-owned flight schools in Venice, FL..

The newly-disclosed ties of the couple, neither of whom returned phone calls for comment, also throws a spotlight on their little-known home port of call, Punta Gorda.

"Singing de 'Whiffenpoof Song' all de day long"

"The 9/11 terror plot intersected with the activities of a drug trafficking network of international scope, in ways that form a "crystal clear" picture of what was going on.” --Sibel Edmonds.

So... what's up with Punta Gorda? Located half-way between Naples and Venice, and home to Charlotte County Airport, where the smell of hay from nearby ranches mixes into an atmosphere of intrigue, the town’s pedigree explains a lot…

“The town of Punta Gorda, once a fishing village that drew the likes of a Theodore Roosevelt and Henry Ford in search of tarpon, has survived many a boom and bust period since its beginnings in the 1880s…” reported the Washington Post on September 10, 1977.

“The development was the brainchild of two retired Central Intelligence Agency men who met while on duty in the Far East, Wilbur (Bud) Cole and Al Johns, now president and chairman of the board, respectively.”

Nothing much seems to have changed.

From the June 4, 2004 Charlotte Sun-Herald: "Punta Gorda City Councilman Tom Poole, who served with U.S. Army Special Forces during the Vietnam War and spent more than 20 years as a CIA clandestine services officer, said he finds no fault in Goss' record of public service or policies."

23 helicopters have been stolen from there in the last several years, which seems an unprecedented wave of aviation crime. Even more amazing is that all of the helicopters were stolen from just one owner…

The Sheriff’s Department of Charlotte County.

Wags at the Airport insisted to us, however, that the missing helicopters weren’t really missing… They’d just been released on their own recognizance.

Mohamed Atta and Marwan Al-Shehhi must have felt right at home at the Charlotte County Airport when they moved down the road from Huffman Aviation in Venice in January of 2001, spending most of the next two months in a luxury pad in nearby Deep Creek which seems to somehow have escaped the FBI's attention.

The first thing the two young Arab pilots saw, every time they drove into the Charlotte County Airport after exiting Interstate 75 onto a rural county road running alongside it, no doubt reminded them that they were treading on the periphery of the Spook Hall of Fame...

They saw an Ark. A Flying Ark.

Atta & Marwan' s Deep Creek residence. Charlotte County Airport is bottom right.

"Being Connected Means Never Having to Say You're Sorry"
Tied down at the front corner of the Charlotte County Airport (it has since been moved--we'd like to think as a result of its recent notoriety) was a vintage silver DC 3 resembling nothing so much as an airborne Noah’s Ark, replete with painted hippos, giraffes and elephants climbing up the fuselage toward the cockpit
The parked plane was a conspicuous sight at the small rural airport for at least two years, after being seized by law enforcement officials from notorious pilot Frank Moss.

Moss, who still flies out of the Charlotte County Airport, gained infamy during the Iran Contra Hearings which revealed him to be a drug smuggling pilot and fly-by-night airline owner.

For a drug smuggler, Moss had some strange connections. With Col. Oliver North, for example. The Flying Ark at the Charlotte County Airport, it turns out, isn't the first airplane Mr. Moss has "donated" to the U.S. Government. That honor belongs to a DC-4 spotted off the west coast of Florida by U.S. Customs agents, whereupon the plane began dumping into the Gulf below, law enforcement authorities wryly noted, what “appeared to be a load of drugs.”

In the unpleasantness which ensued, it was learned Oliver North had known Frank Moss' Contra supply planes were being used to bring back drugs into the U.S. An address book found aboard contained the Virginia phone number of North's "courier," Robert Owen, and that in a memo to Owen North had written: "Moss’s “DC-6 which is being used for runs out of New Orleans is probably used for drug runs into the US.”

We understand he was shocked

"Good old Ollie. Always on top of things. "

Alas, as we learned in "Barry & "the boys,'" being connected means never having to say you're sorry. And Frank Moss--much like Rudi Dekkers--appears to have led a charmed life, somehow always evading major unpleasantness with federal authorities.

Au contraire...

Even though he was under investigation for narcotics offenses by a total of ten different law enforcement agencies, the State Department thought so highly of Moss that they signed him on to fly "humanitarian aid" missions to the Contras.

Maybe there's just something in the air at the Charlotte County Airport. Frank Moss isn't even the only one based there who became famous in the scandal over contra cocaine. Another pirate and buccaneer calling Charlotte County Airport home was Dietrich Reinhardt, linked with Barry Seal's Mena, Arkansas cocaine operation in the Iran Contra Hearings. Like Pascal Schreier, Reinhardt is German.

Probably just a coincidence.

In another even-more-amazing coincidence, Reinhardt's business partner at Charlotte County Airport, Jamie Hill, is the very man suspected by law enforcement in the criminal mischief that was making their helicopters disappear.

Pascal Schreier's wife, Sandra Hamouda, owns the hanger next door.

"Keeping the shades pulled down since the dawn of the millennium"

"You have a network of people who obtain certain information and they take it out and sell it to … whomever would be the highest bidder. Then you have people who would be bringing into the country narcotics from the East, and their connections. It is only then that you really see the big picture. The post-9/11 ntelligence 'failures' included the willful quashing by the government, of investigations tracing these criminal networks.-- Sibel Edmonds, former FBI translator

Operating out of Charlotte County Airport, Dietrich Reinhardt’s Caribe Air, was called a CIA proprietary airline in a Senate Intelligence Committee report which investigated the company for delivering Hawk and TOW missiles to Iran in the arms-for-hostages deal between the U.S. and Iran.

It was a blemish. But things would get even worse.

In the early 90’s When Federal prosecutors seized the company’s aircraft in the early 90's, they had been parked at the infamous Mena Ark. Airport, and Reinhardt was accused of allowing his planes to be used to ship drugs worth billions of dollars into this country.

In sum, Dietrich Reinhardt is not the sort of person you'd exactly like to see rubbing elbows with the terrorist element out at Charlotte County Airport.

How odd then to discover that Rudi Dekker's Huffman Aviation had been doing business with Caribe Air.

The disturbing fact slipped out during a controversy in Lynchburg, VA. over an aviation contract that had been awarded to a phantom company, which maintained a phantom presence inside--where else?-- Huffman Aviation in Venice. About the phantom presence that had previously been even-more invisible while housed under Rudi Dekker's flying circus maintop, a source in Lynchburg noted, “They stay strictly to themselves, and keep their shades pulled down.”

The Lynchburg City Council hearings revealed that Huffman Aviation had a "maintenance contract" with Caribe Air. It makes a certain sense.

You wouldn't want just anyone vacuuming the planes.

"High Plains Drifters with prayer rugs"

“The real activities taking place behind the scenes are criminal… Everything from drugs to money laundering to arms sales. And yes, there are certain convergences (between) these activities and international terrorism." -Sibel Edmonds

In a Sept 21, 2001 story County Sheriff William Clement told the Charlotte Sun-Herald that Atta had lived in the area and attended a flight school at Charlotte County Airport, under an alias.

The alias Atta used, we have learned, was “Mohamed Arajaki,” the same one he used with Amanda Keller while living in the Sandpiper Apartments in Venice. FBI agents told Amanda Keller that already knew this to be one of Atta's aliases, when they showed up to retrieve a check he'd written to bail her out of jail.

Yet on the terror watch list the FBI Mohamed Arajaki as if this were some another individual entirely. Nothing could be further from the truth. But maybe that’s the way the FBI likes it.

Sheriff Clement told reporters Atta had been in flight training at the Charlotte County Airport, at David Byers’ Professional Aviation. Byers denied it. “He may have had friends here,” Byers said. “Perhaps he was visiting, but he was not at our school as a student.”

His words "may have" just been meant for public consumption. Byers and the FBI knew better. Two days after the attack his school received a visit. Apparently it wasn't pretty.

"David Byers' pupils have been a focal point for the FBI in Charlotte County,” read a news account in the Charlotte Sun. “At least eight of them have been interviewed several times each.”

"Agents seized records from a financially troubled flight school at the Charlotte County Airport, Professional Aviation, that recruited students from Tunisia and went out of business in the spring of 2001, the paper reported, "after tipsters said they saw Atta there late last year or early this year."

Sandra Hamouda, Pascal Schreier's wife, is half-Tunisian. She has an extended family in Florida, we learned, and is listed as an officer of a number of family-led firms in Punta Gorda with non-specific sounding names like Universal Technologies and Airex Enterprises. A relative, Ibrahim Hamouda, founded something called Globex Enterprises.

We remember being in a trendy Los Angeles eatery one night a long time ago, chatting with a well-dressed and colorful fellow habitué named Pepe, who in a fit of bonhomie gave us his business card. Everyone said Pepe was with the CIA.

But his business card gave the name of Pepe's company as "Los Angeles Private Enterprise."

Both Pascal Schreier and his wife Sandra Hamouda are executives in another Florida flight school, Pelican Flight Training Center. In another amazing coincidence, when the New York Times did a story about struggling flight schools in Florida on the two-year anniversary of the 9/11 attack, the two schools profiled both received some badly-needed free publicity.

Out of the 220 flight schools in Florida, the Times had picked Arne Kruithof’s Florida Flight Training. And Pelican Flight Training Center.

This is probably just a coincidence.

"It was called 'Operation Money Flowing Out The Ass'"

“After almost three years the American people still do not know that thousands of lives can be jeopardized under the unspoken policy of ‘ protecting certain foreign business relations.” —Sibel Edmonds

Are connections between terror suspect Mohammed Arara, Morocco’s Chief Military Attaché Colonel Ahmed Arara, and German “recruiter” Guido Pascal Schreier

Atta and his doomed cadre played out their journey to oblivion against a backdrop which contains clear and convincing evidence of an unseen presence.

Visible out of the corner of the eye are the scurryings back-and-forth that seem to be the routine operations of a global network.

Is this the same ‘semi-official’ network which FBI whistleblower Sibel Edmonds has forcefully alleged is--even now!-- being protected from exposure by the FBI and State Department?

"These guys had money flowing out their ass," Atta’s sometime American girlfriend Amanda Keller stated. "They never seemed to run out of money. They had massive supplies of cocaine. Whenever they’d run out, they’d go over to the flight school. I followed them one day with Sabrina to see where they were going, and saw them go into Florida Flight Training."

It has become painfully obvious that questions about

Mohamed Atta's terrorist conspiracy operated, as we've seen, in close proximity to some celebrated ‘players’ from previous American scandals.

But the official story denies that the terrorists received any outside help while in the U.S.

No mention of Atta hanging out with a seedy group of Americans with multiple “priors.” Nobody Atta knew here had colorful criminal histories, certainly no one engaged in what social scientists primly call “state sponsored crime.”

Life at Charlotte County Airport while Atta's crew moved in and out exhibited beaucoup strange activity. But if the air overhead was crowded with missing helicopters, it was all just a coincidence.

Mohamed Atta & co. were the Lone Cadre. They were the Lost Planet Airmen. Strangers in a Strange Land. Things like the puzzle of Charlotte County’s 23 missing helicopters have absolutely no relevance at all to an understanding of the 9/11 attack.

So here's the deal: One of us cannot be wrong.

You Make the Call.

One final irony from the Charlotte County Airport story, just a little something we noticed out of the corner of our eye while we struggled to put wild conspiracy theories and baseless rumors to rest.

When Pascal Schreirer’s wife Sandra created Aeronautical Services, Inc. back in the 90's, her partner in the venture was a man named Rickey Hilton.

Back when Atta was hanging with “the boys” out at the Charlotte County Airport, Sandra Hamouda's partner Rickey had also been running a little venture called "Defense Trading."

Thanks to the Wayback Machine we found a page of their now-defunct website. You can take a look at it here.

Not to suggest Charlotte County’s 23 missing helicopters had anything to do with it. But it looks like the kind of place where, if you needed a helicopter cheap and with no questions asked, they 'might could' be able to help.

[RebelYell]

50. Note:

"23 helicopters have been stolen from there in the last several years, which seems an unprecedented wave of aviation crime. Even more amazing is that all of the helicopters were stolen from just one owner…"

Didn't we have a terror alert yesterday about helicopters?

[H2O Man]

55. Good call!

Very good, RebelYell! Keep up the good work!

[RebelYell]

59. I can't take credit

my friend Midwayer caught it

[H2O Man]

52. Interesting.

I enjoyed the whole article. Being rigid on words, I feel compelled to say that "titum" means "to fall" as opposed to "to fall down." It is what is referred to as a "defective verb" in the Irish branch of the language ... and thus is usually associated with one of the "down" words (sios, thios, and anios). Obviously, in my spare time I enjoy reading from some of the 18th century manuscripts that a relative of mine (a hedge master from Limerick) authored, which are now housed in the Royal Irish Academy. You never know when this stuff will come in handy! (grin)

[Pallas180]

60. REB-This is Porter Goss' territory - Venice-Punta Gorda, and

Charlotte. As Ex Cia and on the Intel committee there is no way
he would not know of the "connections" and activity continuing.

No wonder dimson wants him as Uber Overseer of the Spies -
according to that, they LIHOP or MIHOP and Goss would have had
to be in on it.

Hopsicker's article should be sent to every newspaper, every media outlet, and Rockefeller. Cheezus. Jeb has made Florida a safe house
for terra-ists and drug dealers connected to pappy's old works.

Wasn't it Pakistan who wanted helicopters?

And the Sherriff and the FBI don't think it odd that 24 helicopters
one after another, are stolen?

Tell me how you don;t see a helicopter taking off and track it?
Or you don't see a helicopter being taken apart and the pieces put
on another plane?

Can you take a helicopter apart in one evening? Without fork lifts
and things of that nature?

My gawd. there is no law enforcement.

[RebelYell]

82. Yes, it's Goss's territory

See this:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2192440

[Pallas180]

107. REB-SHRABY* Porter Goss apparently wears blinders at all times:

* Shraby - you were asking about googling? most of the work is done here, but there are some names we're not familiar with..this BENS group - Peterson - why do we know that name.

Anyway...this is pretty nasty - makes you wonder how busy Oliver North is kept.

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Posted by admin on 2004/8/10 19:08:51 (3988 reads)


Update (08/10) - More "Goss-Files":
Wayne Madsen on the Goss-John Millis connection
Ewing2001 on the Linda Millis-BENS-CIA-911-Homeland Security Connection (see below)

Update (08/10): Times of India reports again about the Goss-ISI 9/11 breakfast meeting

Update (08/10) : "This is the worst appointment that's ever been made to the office of director of central intelligence because that's an office that needs to be kept above partisan politics." -- Retired Adm., Stansfield Turner, director of the CIA in the Carter administration. (More Criticism)

Update (08/10) : Bush Set to Nominate Porter Goss as CIA Chief
See also Cheney Cat's Paw -By Ray McGovern (03 July 2004 )

Update (07/03): White House Nominee to Head the CIA
has Dubious Links to the Terror Network (GlobalResearch)

During the Sep11th week, it was Porter Goss, together with Bob Graham, who met with the head of Pakistan Secret Service, ISI, who was already in the U.S. before the attacks. The reason for this meeting was never disclosed.
The story never became political issue in U.S. Media

Bush to Name Florida's Porter Goss as CIA Chief

Bloomberg -June 24

June 24 (Bloomberg) -- President George W. Bush intends to name U.S. Representative Porter Goss, a former intelligence officer, as the new head of the Central Intelligence Agency, a Bush administration official said.

Goss, 65, will take over the intelligence agency from George Tenet, who announced his resignation on June 3, the official, who spoke on the condition he not be identified, said...



The Florida Republican was a clandestine CIA officer for a decade before he entering politics in 1974 by running for local office in Sanibel Florida. He was elected to the House in 1988 and is chairman of the House Select Committee on Intelligence. Calls to Goss's office weren't immediately returned.

The Breakfast meeting with the ISI
from GlobalResearch.ca

On the morning of September 11, Pakistan's Chief Spy General Mahmoud Ahmad, the alleged "money-man" behind the 9-11 hijackers, was at a breakfast meeting on Capitol Hill hosted by Senator Bob Graham and Rep. Porter Goss, the chairmen of the Senate and House Intelligence committees.

"When the news came, the two Florida lawmakers who lead the House and Senate intelligence committees were having breakfast with the head of the Pakistani intelligence service. Rep. Porter Goss, R-Sanibel, Sen. Bob Graham and other members of the House Intelligence Committee were talking about terrorism issues with the Pakistani official when a member of Goss' staff handed a note to Goss, who handed it to Graham. "We were talking about terrorism, specifically terrorism generated from Afghanistan," Graham said.

...The FBI confirmed in late September, in an interview with ABC News (which went virtually unnoticed) that the 9-11 ring leader, Mohammed Atta, had been financed from unnamed sources in Pakistan:

"As to September 11th, federal authorities have told ABC News they have now tracked more than $100,000 from banks in Pakistan, to two banks in Florida, to accounts held by suspected hijack ring leader, Mohammed Atta. As well . . . "Time Magazine" is reporting that some of that money came in the days just before the attack and can be traced directly to people connected to Osama bin Laden. It's all part of what has been a successful FBI effort so far to close in on the hijacker's high commander, the money men, the planners and the mastermind."

...Now, it just so happens that General Mahmoud Ahmad, the alleged "money man" behind 9-11, was in the U.S. when the attacks occurred. He arrived on the 4th of September, one week before 9-11, on what was described as a routine visit of consultations with his U.S. counterparts. According to Pakistani journalist, Amir Mateen (in a prophetic article published on September 10):

"ISI Chief Lt-Gen. Mahmoud's week-long presence in Washington has triggered speculation about the agenda of his mysterious meetings at the Pentagon and National Security Council. Officially, he is on a routine visit in return to CIA Director George Tenet's earlier visit to Islamabad. Official sources confirm that he met Tenet this week. He also held long parleys with unspecified officials at the White House and the Pentagon. But the most important meeting was with Marc Grossman, U.S. Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs. One can safely guess that the discussions must have centred around Afghanistan . . . and Osama bin Laden. What added interest to his visit is the history of such visits. Last time Ziauddin Butt, Mahmoud's predecessor, was here, during Nawaz Sharif's government, the domestic politics turned topsy-turvy within days." 12

Nawaz Sharif was overthrown by General Pervez Musharaf. General Mahmoud Ahmad, who became the head of the ISI, played a key role in the military coup.


Schedule of Pakistan's Chief of Military Intelligence Lt. General Mahmoud Ahmad, Washington, 4-13 September 2001




Summer 2001: ISI Chief Lt. General Mahmoud Ahmad transfers $100,000 to 9-11 Ringleader Mohamed Atta.

4 September: Ahmad arrives in the US on an official visit.

4-9 September: He meets his US counterparts including CIA Head George Tenet.

9 September: Assassination of General Massood, leader of the Northern Alliance. Official statement by Northern Alliance points to involvement of the ISI-Osama-Taliban axis.

11 September: Terrorist Attacks on the WTC and the Pentagon. At the time of the attacks, Lt General Ahmad was at a breakfast meeting at the Capitol with the chairmen of the House and Senate Intelligence Committees Sen Bob Graham and Rep Porter Goss. Also present at the meeting were Sen. John Kyl and the Pakistani ambassador to the U.S., Maleeha Lodhi.

12-13 September: Meetings between Lt. General Ahmad and Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage. Agreement on Pakistan's collaboration negotiated between Ahmad and Armitage. Meeting between General Ahmad and Secretary of State Colin Powell

13 September: Ahmad meets Senator Joseph Biden, Chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.
Condoleezza Rice's Press Conference

In the course of Condoleezza Rice's May 16 press conference (which took place barely a few hours after the publication of the "Bush Knew" headlines in The New York Post), an accredited Indian journalist asked a question on the role of General Mahmoud Ahmad:

(...)

Q: Dr. Rice?

Ms RICE: Yes?

Q: Are you aware of the reports at the time that the ISI chief was in Washington on September 11th, and on September 10th $100,000 was wired from Pakistan to these groups here in this area? And why was he here? Was he meeting with you or anybody in the Administration?

Ms RICE: I have not seen that report, and he was certainly not meeting with me.13

(...)

Although there is no official confirmation, in all likelihood General Mahmoud Ahmad met Dr. Rice during the course of his official visit. Moreover, she must have been fully aware of the $100,000 transfer to Mohammed Atta, which had been confirmed by the FBI...



Porter Goss and the ISI Breakfast meeting

Times of India -AUGUST 10, 2004

... Most controversially, Goss was having a breakfast meeting in Washington with the then ISI chief Mahmoud Ahmad at the exact instant the 9/11 hijackers flew their planes into the World Trade Center. Ahmad was a Taliban supporter who was subsequently removed from his job when he continued to bat for the outlaw regime post 9/11.

Some reports have suggested that Ahmad and the ISI had links to -- or foreknowledge about -- 9/11. A money transfer from Karachi to the hijackers in Florida has never been fully explored or explained. Ahmad was never called to account for this or his support to the Taliban post 9/11 even as General Musharraf moved him into the shadows.

Goss himself visited Pakistan just a few days before 9/11 for talks with the then pariah military establishment of Gen. Musharraf. By Goss's own account, the visit was more Kashmir-centered.

The John Millis-Porter Goss connection

from forthcoming book "Jaded Tasks" , by Wayne Madsen

"...John Millis, the late Executive Director of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence (HPSCI) who allegedly committed suicide on June 4, 2000, died a day after he forced the CIA to release a controversial report dealing with cocaine trafficking. Police in Fairfax, Virginia still refuse to reveal the contents of a suicide note allegedly written by Millis. The magazine Insight, owned by the right-wing Washington Times, reported in August 2000 that its CIA sources reported Millis killed himself after his wife, Linda, discovered he was involved in a homosexual relationship. Other CIA sources reported to the Washington Times that Millis committed suicide after he was accused of improperly disclosing classified information. Washington Times correspondent Bill Gertz, who enjoys a very close relationship with senior U.S. intelligence officials, first proffered this theory.<1>

The disinformation campaign against Millis held no water with the Association of Former Intelligence Officers (AFIO), which posted the following on its web site: JOHN MILLIS CHILDREN'S EDUCATION FUND--Dr. John Millis was a strong supporter of the Intelligence Community and of AFIO. His death was a tragedy. A contribution to this Education Fund established by the HPSCI staff honors a good man, a good friend and a patriot.<2>

The alleged disclosures of classified information surrounded Millis very public condemnation of former CIA Director John Deutch. CIA officials contend that by talking publicly about Deutch use of classified CIA computers at home to surf the Internet, Millis in some way compromised the investigation of the affair by the CIA Inspector General. Millis said that Deutch activities severely harmed the agency clandestine operations.


According to well-placed congressional sources, Millis and his boss, HPSCI Chairman Porter Goss of Florida (who like Millis is a former CIA officer), disagreed on many fundamental intelligence issues.

On May 11, a few weeks prior to his death, Millis authored a report on the CIA alleged links to cocaine smuggling by Nicaraguan drug rings to gangs in Los Angeles. Although the HPSCI report, like previous reports by the CIA and Justice Department, cleared the CIA of any wrongdoing, some informed observers believe that Millis may have actually written a different version of the report that was more critical of the CIA involvement in drug trafficking and that he may have been silenced because he knew too much. Millis was considered by some CIA officials to be constantly wishing to re-invent the wheel on CIA intelligence activities.

Former White House counsel and Clinton confidant Charles Ruff was reportedly briefed on HPSCI findings by Millis. Ruff died on November 20, 2000. His body was found outside a shower in his home by his wife. Police ruled the death as resulting from natural causes and not foul play. It was later determined that Ruff suffered an apparent heart attack. HPSCI ranking member Representative Julian Dixon, who was also briefed on the HPSCI cocaine report, died suddenly from a heart attack on December 8, 2000, a few weeks after Ruff death.

There is also some reason to believe that Millis was unhappy with Goss reluctance to investigate the CIA handling or mishandling of alleged Mossad penetration of the White House communications system and its failure to investigate the identity of Israel alleged high-level U.S. government mole, the so-called Mega. Goss reportedly said he was concerned that Israel had penetrated White House communications but he did not want to pursue any investigation of the matter. Goss once remarked to a congressional colleague that if anyone took a look at his Florida district, his reluctance to criticize Israel would be totally understandable.



Goss was reported to be a top contender for CIA Director to replace George Tenet in George W. Bush administration. Sources claimed he did not want any problems associated with the Millis case to derail his chances. But there are clearly many unanswered questions involving Goss and the HPSCI. For example, Goss press secretary Jennifer Millerwise abruptly resigned her position a few weeks after Millis death and was not available for interviews. Fairfax police refused to release the contents of Millis suicide note and the Fairfax County coroner autopsy report. The Director of Emergency Services for Fairfax County said he was never informed that Millis body had been transported into his jurisdiction, a violation of his agency procedures. Interestingly, Millerwise would later surface as Vice President Cheney press spokesperson.

Fairfax city detectives told residents of the city rather seedy Breezeway Motel, where Millis allegedly took his life, not to talk to anyone about the suicide, including the media. When asked, a female teen resident of the motel (which rents rooms for either a few hours or in periods of several months to welfare families) said that after Millis death, she saw a few unmarked vans in the parking lot around Millis room, one with District of Columbia license tags. The teen also told me, Detective Boone told us not to talk to anyone about what happened to that man. Congressional sources revealed that the CIA wanted to secure any copies of the drug report Millis may have had in his possession.

Senior GOP congressional and CIA officials hoped the Millis matter would simply disappear as a news item. They got their wish..."


Former Director Of Central Intelligence George J. Tenet On The Death Of John Millis - 5 June 2000

"I was informed by Chairman Goss this morning of the death of John Millis, the Staff Director of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence. We in the Intelligence Community are shocked and saddened by this tragic loss. We have worked closely with John for many years. He was a tenacious advocate for a strong national intelligence capability.

Nominee to Run CIA Was Once One of Its Officers


AP -Aug 10, 2004

...Goss, who speaks Spanish and French, started with the CIA in Miami about the time of the Cuban missile crisis. The CIA recruited him during his junior year at Yale, where he completed his bachelor's degree in ancient Greek in 1960.

During a 2002 interview with The Washington Post, Goss joked that he performed photo interpretation and "small-boat handling," which led to "some very interesting moments in the Florida Straits." He acknowledged he had recruited and run foreign agents and said he would be uncomfortable traveling to Cuba but wouldn't say more.

During a 1970 trip to Washington from his home in London, Goss collapsed in his hotel room, suffering from a mysterious blood infection that affected his heart and kidneys. Goss cannot explain the sudden illness but is convinced he wasn't poisoned. He survived but was so weak during his recovery that the CIA refused to send him back into the field, so he retired.


(Photo: BENS Tail to Tooth Commissioners, BENS members and spouses at a reception at the U.S. Embassy in London hosted by Ambassador Philip Lader, former BENS President)

Linda Millis: The BENS-CIA-911-Homeland Security Connection

(i just received the confirmation, that this Linda Millis is indeed the widow of John Millis.
John Millis was CIA clandestine services during the 80s when he was supporting the Afghan mujaheddin (and Osama bin Laden) and who must've known about Goss's deals with ISI. Linda Millis' BENS office is now next door to that of Joe Wilson)

The BENS-CIA-911-Homeland Security Connection
From '911Skeptics Unite - The Encyclopedia' , originally released in March 2003 at http://www.globalfreepress.org, (Mirror)

by ewing2001

BENS

Business Executives for National Security (BENS) is a nationwide, non-partisan organization and primary channel through which senior business executives can affect national security policy.

BENS is located in front of the White House (1717 Pennsylvania Ave NW, Washington, DC 20570)

Chairman Stanley A. Weiss is a member of the Advisory Board of RAND's (->) Center for Middle East Public Policy, a member of the CFR (->) and writes for Journal sentinel.

In 1996 he attended the Bilderberg Conference, among other participants, PNAC supporter and Iraq-Hawk Paul Wolfowitz. http://www.tlio.demon.co.uk/bildlist.htm

In November 2002 Weiss released his pro-war article "Axis of Hope: Iraq, Turkey, Israel". http://www.bens.org/sw_ar110702.html

President General Charles G. Boyd, formerly US Air Force, served before at the CFR, as a commander of Air University at Maxwell Air Force Base (-> , Mohammad Atta), as strategy consultant to then Speaker of the House, Newt Gingrich.

In July 1998 he became executive director of the Hart-Rudman National Security Commission (->), "which already foresaw the growing terrorist threat to the United States well before the September 11, 2001 attacks." http://www.bens.org/who_CharlesBoyd.html http://www.bens.org/who_board.html

Larry K Smith, Chief Operating Officer is with BENS since 1992. He was Counselor to Secretaries of Defense Les Aspin and William Perry in 1993 and 1994 and served as Chief-of-Staff for Senator Gary Hart (->) from 1978 to 1982, who received an early warning (->) on an attack in September 2001 and informed Condoleeza Rice (->) on this info, who ignored it. (-> early warnings)

Members of BENS are Norman R. Augustine (Director Lockheed Martin ->), David S. Browning (Vice President of Schlumberger ->), Daniel H. Case, III (Chase), Rudy de Leon (Senior VP, Boeing), Victor Ganzi (The Hearst Corporation), Richard Grasso (New York Stock Exchange), Frank W. Jenkins (SAIC ->), Paul V. Lombardi (President and CEO of DynCorp ->), Stephen T. McClellan (Merryl Lynch), Philip A. Odeen (->, TRW ->), Peter G. Peterson (->) and Stephen A. Schwarzman (->Blackstone Group), Stanley A. Weiss (Chairman and Founder Business Executives for National Security, Washington DC) and Laurence F. Whittemore (Brown Brothers Harriman & Co., which was Prescott Bush -> first company, established with the help the Dulles Brothers, Nazi company IG Farben and the Hamburg-Amerika-Line). http://www.bens.org/members.html

On February 28th, 2002 Josh S. Weston, Honorary Chairman of BENS, testified, that in early 2001, Warren Rudman and he delivered and discussed their "Tail-Tooth Call to Action with each of the incoming new service secretaries and their deputies. Starting with Donald Rumsfeld and Pete Aldridge, each of them enthusiastically endorsed our blueprints for action. Secretary Rumsfeld indicated so as recently as last September 10th." The Tail-Tooth Call to Action was a blueprint "to redirect unnecessary and wasteful overhead resources", which had been already used before Sep11th. http://www.bens.org/highlights_testimony_weston.ht ml

Assistant President of the Tail-to-Tooth Commission Commission is Paul E. Taibl, a retired Air Force officer and former command pilot, airlift planner and senior fellow in the Institute for National Strategic Studies at the National Defense University. Vice President of the TTT commission, which tried to "change Pentagon business practices" before Sep11th is Kenneth D. Beeks, another retired Navy test pilot who joined the BENS staff in June 2000.

2 months earlier, BENS was joined by Michael W. Doubleday Vice President for Communications, former deputy spokesman for the Pentagon from 1995 to July 1999 and part of the military public affairs operation in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia (->) during the Gulf War.

Eric Fanning from CBS National News joined in March 2001 as Vice President for Strategic Development. BENS currently partners with New Jersey Homeland Security (->).

Linda Millis from the NSA and CIA joined one month earlier, in February 2001 as Vice President for "New Threats". http://www.bens.org/who_staff.html

From 1994-96, Millis was the Assistant Director on the President's Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board. Her expertise at the NSA was in intelligence programs management, arms control and Russian military and political affairs.

During early 2001 Millis was working as the Deputy Chief of Cryptologic Services Group of the CIA, where she briefed the Deputy Director of Intelligence daily and contributed to the Presidents Bush Daily Brief.

Millis hold a Master in Public Policy from the Johns Hopkins School of Advanced International Studies (->).

Millis resides in Vienna, Virginia, the same city, where reportedly also official hijackers Saled Alghamdi and Waleed M. Alshehri lived. http://www.ksg.harvard.edu/terrorism/experts/bios/ millis_linda.html

Vienna is also home of CIA officers CIA agents Noel E. Firth and James H. Noren and FinCen (Financial Crimes Enforcement Network) (-> James Fl. Sloan ->)

In May 2002, FinCen started "vehemently" to deny a U.N. report that "Mohamed Atta, one of the terrorists involved in the Sept. 11 attack on the World Trade Center, received a transfer of funds into his U.S. account which was flagged by his bank", while it was already reported different in the official indictment against Zacarias Moussaoui.

http://abcnews.go.com/wire/Politics/ap20020523_2026.html

http://www.bens.org/ http://www.bens.org/about.html

(Intellibridge)

Compare: http://www.burningbush.netfirms.com

ADDENDUM:

-On Maxwell Air Force Base (General Charles G. Boyd, BENS):

On September 17th, 2001 the Air Force confirmed, that Mohammed Atta trained at a US Air Base. Or was that "another" Mohammad Atta No.2?:

"...Air Force spokesman Col. Ken McClellan said a man named Mohamed Atta -- which the FBI has identified as one of the five hijackers of American Airlines Flight 11 -- had once attended the International Officer's School at Maxwell/Gunter Air Force Base in Montgomery, Ala."

http://www.pressconnects.com/archive/attack/stories/091701N1.html

NOTE: McClellan later denied his own report and claimed, it was another Atta, who worked there.

- Pete Aldridge, who was briefed by BENS' "Tail-Tooth Call"-commission, was also the same guy, who confirmed the development and use of thermobarics, a microwave weapon systems, which was used in ToraBora and also confirmed having been tested in the desert of Nevada.

At that time, thermobarics violated the ABM Treaty. When reports on new mini nuclear systems became more popular during Summer and late 2001 (Global Outlook- M. Chussodovsky, Nuclear watch of New Mexico, Albuquerque News etc...), President Bush decided to end the ABM Treaty.

Thermobarics (or vacuum bombs) are able to pulverise buildings and human mankind and had been developed by Jay C Davis (ANSER, DTHRA etc...) to destroy buried chemical- bioweapon stocks.

December 21nd 2001, 10 AM , DoD press conference, Pete Aldridge:

"...we skipped a laser-guided bomb into a tunnel and exploded it with a delay fuse.."

http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Dec2001/t12212001_ t1221atl.html

BENS organised another BioTerror Scenario in February 2001

http://www.bens.org/what%5Fthreats%5Fbio%2Dny.html

Business Executives for National Security and Center for Disease Control and Prevention

Bioterrorist Attack Scenario February 15, 2001

BACKGROUND

"...As part of BENS' "Bioterrorism Preparedness and Response Initiative," CDC and BENS in association with the New York Academy of Science hosted an interactive panel presentation on a biological attack scenario in New York City on February 15, 2001. This event represented the second in a series of planned scenario presentations.

Over forty participants attended the meeting. The panel included the Associate Director for Policy, Planning, and Evaluation for the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), the Program Advocate and Government Affairs Liaison for the CDC Bioterrorism Preparedness and Response Program, as well as representatives from the New York City Department of Health, and the Mayor's Office of Emergency Management....""

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109. AND this "PRIME SUSPECT"

This was written for the general public, and may be reposted or printed by anyone, as I hope the basic information, becomes common knowledge and breaks through the Media Gatekeepers into the public realm.


Prime Suspect of the Largest Mass Murder in U.S. Nominated to Head C.I.A. by Carol Brouillet, Fourth of July, 2004


If there were honest, investigative newspapers in the U.S., this would be the appropriate headline, however in our Orwellian world, there is scant critical information published regarding the dubious history, associations, behavior of someone who should be under criminal investigation, rather than nominated to head the largest covert operations center in the world.
We are indebted to Michel Chossudovsky, a Canadian researcher, author, professor, for first drawing attention to “the Big Lies surrounding the events of 9/11- including the role of Osama Bin Laden, Al Qaeda, Pakistan’s ISI, the CIA, top U.S. Government Officials" (see-Chossudovsky's latest article). Chossudovsky’s research and articles inspired me to organize a march/delegation to demand a Congressional Investigation of 9/11 in January 2002. That is when Bush and Cheney asked Daschle to limit the investigations and have them overseen by the C.I.A., and the very men who we thought should be investigated for their own role in 9/11- Congressman Porter Goss and Senator Bob Graham.

The Senate/House Joint Intelligence Oversight Committee which Goss and Graham headed oversaw the "official Inquiry into 9/11" whose mandate was to reinforce the 19 fanatic hijackers narrative and the myth that 9/11 was the result of an intelligence failure, to justify the construction of Homeland Security and the Global Security State.


Once C.I.A.- Always C.I.A.
Examining the history of Porter Goss makes me wonder “Just how many politicians are on the C.I.A. payroll? (How did he manage to accumulate $53 million on his salary?) Did Goss actually use his dark C.I.A. past or connections to win elections? How many people would knowingly vote for a C.I.A. operative who had a hand in dirty tricks in Haiti, Santo Domingo, and Western Europe, who first worked for Army Intelligence? Looking at his pro-Bush, pro-Cheney record and his advocacy in Haiti, South America<1> and his work towards increasing the budget/power of the C.I.A.- especially the elevation of the Director to a cabinet post to become an Intelligence Czar with control over a $40,000,000 budget, concerns me. He believes in “political assassinations,”<2> exemplified by Operation Phoenix which killed thousands in Vietnam, and the Death squads so pervasive amongst U.S. trained military juntas installed in Central and Latin America.

Nevermind his close relationship with the “Money Man” behind 9/11 (the term was coined by the F.B.I.), the Head of Pakistani Intelligence, Lt. General Mahmoud Ahmad who had $100,000 wired to Mohamed Atta, alleged ringleader/pilot behind the September 11th attacks. Surely one must wonder about this relationship, and why the U.S. quietly urged the retirement of Lt. General Mahmoud Ahmad when this information was revealed to the press. However, the official Inquiry and the official 9/11 Commission avoided asking any questions that might thoroughly incriminate them and the White House personally in the attacks.

The Project for a New American Century’s damning documents state that

“A transformation strategy that solely pursued capabilities for projecting force from the United States, for example, and sacrificed forward basing and presence, would be at odds with larger American policy goals and would trouble American allies.

Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event - like a new Pearl Harbor.”

As the first Pearl Harbor gave rise to the need for and justification for the C.I.A. (whose mission is ironically to prevent another Pearl Harbor), so 9/11 is the foundation for the construction of a global American Empire which reserves the right to criminalize and kill all opposition to its rule.

A deep, critical examination of history reveals that Roosevelt wanted, provoked, and allowed the Japanese to attack Pearl Harbor, to gain support for the U.S.’s entry into World War II; a deep, critical examination of 9/11 reveals striking parallels to other historical events where a government has actually dropped defenses and assisted an “attack” to terrify a population into sacrificing their liberties, and supporting unjust wars against other nations (Think Reichstag Fire). Who was behind Patriot I and Patriot II? Porter Goss… The chosen protégé of Senator Bob Graham who shares the same agenda.

Goss also spearheaded the Congressional Oath of Secrecy Proposal in 1987.<3> He was aware that the U.S. had procured Global Hawk technologies (unmanned aircraft flown remotely) by April, 2000, according to the General Accounting Office.

According to Al Martin, in 1983 Goss was involved in Iran-Contra profiteering with Jeb and Neil Bush’s Destin Country Club development fraud – a fraud out of which he made about $3 million illegally. He then became involved with Carlos Cardoen and Swissco Management, and the fraud that Swissco Management committed, not only in Florida, but throughout the United States, in those so-called illicit 'tax-swap deals,' which Senator Bob Graham of Florida also profited in.

"You could compare it to the crime family where the soldier rises from the street to become the capo, which has taken the hits over the years for his superiors in the organization," Martin continues. "Of course, unlike an organized crime family, the difference between the Bushonian Cabal and your average, run-of-the-mill organized crime family is that the Cabal controls, not only the entire nation, but influences policy throughout the planet. They are above all laws and impervious to any action.” <4>

More ominous is the concern that the Bush Cabal is scared and just might try to pull another 9/11<5> to further their dark agenda and nullify even a remote hope for an election. The psychological operations are underway, scaring the country into bracing itself for the next attack. In true fascist fashion, a new coalition of corporate/government/media leaders have launched a website that boldly asserts- “The America Prepared Campaign …utilizes the expertise and energy of national leaders in emergency preparedness, media, marketing, government, and business to support.. the work already begun by the Department of Homeland Security Ready Campaign … to give Americans useful recommendations for preparing… for a terrorist attack.”<6>

Goss has warned publicly that the F.B.I. isn’t capable of preventing more attacks, and has alluded to the value of the Madrid attacks to promote a more favorable climate for the international cooperation against “terrorist threats.” Just who benefits from these threats and attacks, besides arms dealers, the transnational elite, and the architects of the “global security state”? Certainly not your average American, nor the vast majority of people worldwide, but Goss is most likely not terribly concerned about them.

According to the Washington Post staff writer, Richard Leiby,<7> Goss grew up in Waterbury, Conn. and wasn't working class. He attended Hotchkiss prep school and Yale, where he joined the Army ROTC. He trained as a military intelligence officer after graduation, and by 1962 he was working at the CIA. A health crisis precipitated a career change from a clandestine field agent in Western Europe to a weekly newspaper publisher working with a bunch of “ex-spooks.” Graham crossed party lines to push him into “public service” which quickly elevated him into Congress and to chair the powerful House Intelligence Oversight Committee.

He initially opposed an Inquiry into 9/11, until he thought it had a chance of averting a real commission. According to Sen. Richard Shelby<8>, his threats to expose the Inquiry as a sham and throw his weight into the support of an outside Commission drove Graham and Goss to expand the narrow perimeters of the initial Inquiry. When the Inquiry failed to contain the victims' families outrage, the official Commission came into play; now the families are denouncing the Commission as a “Cover-Up Commission” rife with conflicts of interest that has failed utterly to address key questions raised by the victims' families.<9> (Noting the failure of the official investigations to even look for the truth about 9/11, we organized The San Francisco International Inquiry into 9/11, Phase One in March 2004.)

Global outrage over the first candidate to head the so called “Independent Commision into 9/11”- Henry Kissinger, as well as Kissinger’s reluctance to reveal his financial ties, prompted him to resign. There should be a similar outrage over the suggestion that- Porter Goss, who should be thoroughly investigated for his own role in the 9/11 attacks- should be elevated to a position of extreme power that transcends that of the Presidency. Tenet “served Clinton and Bush;” the funding for the muhajadeen began under Carter; Presidents come and go, but the consolidation of military and corporate power march on relentlessly serving the necrophiliac elite who believe that if they can’t own or control something; they have the right to kill it. Only the raising of consciousness of the vast global majority, who respect life, truth, justice and desire peace, freedom, and a future for all, can, through their civic outrage- world opinion, put a halt to the utter criminalization of the state, by casting the spotlight on Bush, the Cover-Up Commission, and the proposed “Intelligence Czar”- Porter Goss. Outrage over Porter Goss's nomination would be a good place to start.


Footnotes:
<1> http://www.republicanmainstreet.org/showandtell_bios.asp?action=form&recordID=1086 Republican Main Street Partnership, Porter Goss profile

<2> http://www.lazarusunbound.com/bunker_romelandsecurity.html the bunker mentality Romeland Security and Political Assassinations, by Michael Bunker

<3> http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/1995_cr/h951219-intell.htm- TIMELY INTELLIGENCE: IMPORTANT AS EVER IN THE POST-COLD-WAR ERA -- HON. HENRY J. HYDE (Extension of Remarks - December 19, 1995)

<4> http://www.almartinraw.com/

<5> http://www.deceptiondollar.com/news/WGTarpleyArticle.htm Rogue Bush Backers Prepare Super 9/11 False Flag Terror Attacks, Webster Griffin Tarpley, June 6, 2004

<6} http://www.americaprepared.org/who.html[br />
<7> http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A36091-2002May17¬Found=true, A Cloak But No Dagger- An Ex-Spy Says He Seeks Solutions, Not Scapegoats for 9/11, By Richard Leiby, Washington Post Staff Writer, Saturday, May 18, 2002; Page C01

<8> http://www.sptimes.com/2002/10/27/Worldandnation/Shelby_s_doubts_drove.shtml Shelby’s Doubts Drove Inquiry, Mary Jacoby, Times Staff Writer, St. Petersburg Times, October 27, 2002

<9> http://911independentcommission.org/ Family Steering Committee

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110. AND if Goss is so suitable how come he didnt know he was meeting with the

money man of the 9 11 hijackers that morning ---or did he?

Odd, Goss never mentioned it in his committee's report.
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here's the original that opened the door by Chossudovsky

www.globalresearch.ca
Centre for Research on Globalisation
Centre de recherche sur la mondialisation




White House Nominee to Head the CIA
has Dubious Links to the Terror Network
by Michel Chossudovsky
www.globalresearch.ca 3 July 2004 (revised July 5)
The URL of this article is: http://globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO407A.html


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Two weeks before 9/11, Porter Goss, the White House nominee for the CIA Director of Intelligence was being "briefed on the growing threat of al Qaeda" (WP, 5/04/03) by a Pakistani General who "ran a spy agency notoriously close to Osama bin Laden and the Taliban." (WP, 5/18/02)



Following George Tenet's resignation as Director of Central Intelligence at the CIA, the Bush administration immediately pointed to Rep. Porter Goss, as its handpicked nominee.

Porter Goss, a Florida Republican and former CIA operative, is chairman of the House Intelligence Committee. He also chaired, together with Senator Bob Graham, the Joint Senate House Committee, on the September 11 attacks.

According to the White House, "the rush to name a replacement" was driven by "worries" of a possible terrorist attack on America in the wake of Tenet's untimely departure.

Yet if the real objective is to to make "America safer", why then did President Bush nominate an individual who is known and acknowledged to have dubious links to the Islamic terror network?

Amply documented, Porter Goss had an established personal relationship to the Head of Pakistan Military Intelligence (ISI), General Mahmoud Ahmad, who according to the Washington Post "ran a spy agency notoriously close to Osama bin Laden and the Taliban" (Washington Post, 18 May 2002).

According to the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), the ISI has over the years supported a number of Islamic terrorist organizations, while maintaining close links to the CIA:

"Through its Interservices Intelligence agency (ISI), Pakistan provided funding, arms, training facilities, and aid in crossing borders to both Lashkar-e-Taiba and Jaish-e-Muhammad..."

(http://www.cfrterrorism.org/groups/harakat2.html , see also http://www.cfrterrorism.org/coalition/pakistan2.html ).

Moreover, according to intelligence sources and the FBI, General Mahmoud Ahmad allegedly played an undercover role in channeling financial support to the 9/11 hijackers. (http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO111A.html , see also http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO206A.html )

Yet this same individual, General Ahmad, was on an official visit to Washington from the 4th to the 13th of September 2001, meeting his counterpart George Tenet as well as key members of the administration and the US Congress including Rep Porter Goss.

In late August 2001, barely a couple of weeks before September 11, Representative Porter Goss together with Senator Bob Graham and Senator Jon Kyl were on a top level intelligence mission in Islamabad, which was barely mentioned by the US media.

Meetings were held with President Pervez Musharraf and with Pakistan's military and intelligence brass including the head of Pakistan’s Inter Services Intelligence (ISI) General Mahmoud Ahmad.

The ISI headed by General Ahmad was allegedly also involved in ordering the assassination of the leader of the Northern Alliance, General Ahmed Shah Massood. (http://globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO309B.html ) The kamikaze assassination took place on the 9th of September (9/9 two days before 9/11) during General Mahmoud Ahmad's official "red carpet" visit to Washington. (4-13 September 2004). The official communiqué of the Northern Alliance pointed to the involvement of the ISI headed by General Mahmoud Ahmad.

Porter Goss Hosts the General

The Pakistani General's host on Capitol Hill during his official visit to Washington was Rep. Porter Goss, Bush's nominee for the position of Director of Central Intelligence.

In fact, on the morning of September 11, Porter Goss was hosting a breakfast meeting on Capitol Hill in honor of General Ahmad, the alleged "money-man" (to use the FBI's expression) behind the 9/11 hijackers.

The 9/11 breakfast meeting was described by one press report as a "follow-up meeting" to that held in Pakistan in late August 2001, barely two weeks before 9/11.

Pakistan's ISI supports the Terror Network

This support by Pakistan's ISI to various "Islamic terrorist" organizations was pursued prior as well as in the wake of 9/11, despite the commitment of the Pakistani government to "cooperate" with Washington in the war on terrorism.

Bear in mind that at the time of the Goss-Graham mission to Islamabad in late August 2001, the ISI was still actively supporting Al Qaeda and the Taliban:

"... Musharraf’s Pakistan continued to support these groups up through September 11 and the attack on the Indian parliament. . Some key Pakistani constituencies, including Islamists and elements of the ISI, remain supportive of Islamist fighters in Kashmir and are livid with Musharraf for moving against them." (CFR, op cit, emphasis added)

Moreover, according to a detailed report by Human Rights Watch:

"Official denials notwithstanding, Pakistan has provided the Taliban with military advisers and logistical support during key battles, has bankrolled the Taliban, has facilitated transshipment of arms, ammunition, and fuel through its territory, and has openly encouraged the recruitment of Pakistanis to fight for the Taliban....

"Pakistan is distinguished both by the sweep of its objectives and the scale of its efforts, which include soliciting funding for the Taliban, bankrolling Taliban operations, providing diplomatic support as the Taliban's virtual emissaries abroad, arranging training for Taliban fighters, recruiting skilled and unskilled manpower to serve in Taliban armies, planning and directing offensives, providing and facilitating shipments of ammunition and fuel, and on several occasions apparently directly providing combat support....

"Pakistan's army and intelligence services, principally the Inter-Services Intelligence Directorate (ISI), contribute to making the Taliban a highly effective military force." ( http://hrw.org/reports/2001/afghan2/Afghan0701-02.htm#P350_92934 emphasis added)

In other words, up to and including September 11, 2001, extending to December 2001, the ISI had been supporting the terror network.

And that was precisely the period during which Porter Goss and Bob Graham established a close working relationship with the ISI chief, General Ahmad. The latter had in fact "briefed" the two Florida lawmakers at ISI headquarters in Rawalpindi, Pakistan:

<"Senator Bob Graham's> first foreign trip as chairman , a late-August <2001> journey with House intelligence Chairman Goss and Republican Sen. Jon Kyl of Arizona, focused almost entirely on terrorism. It ended in Pakistan, where

So on September 11, they all reconvened in a top-secret conference room on the fourth floor of the U.S. Capitol. According to Graham's copious notes, they discussed "poppy cultivation" before they discussed terrorism. But then the Americans pressed Ahmed even harder to crack down on al Qaeda...

And then:

"9:04 -- Tim gives note on 2 planes crash into World Trade Center, NYC." (Washington Post, 4 May 2003)

Rep Porter Goss could have pleaded ignorance on the morning of 9/11: "I did not know about the General." But the "Pakistani ISI connection" and the role played by its former head, General Mahmoud Ahmad have since 9/11 been amply documented.

However, at no time since 9/11 have Rep Porter Goss and his Senate counterpart Bob Graham (chairman of the Senate intelligence committee) acknowledged the role of Pakistan's ISI in supporting Al Qaeda. In fact quite the opposite. One year after the attacks, the former head of the ISI continues to be described as a bona fide intelligence counterpart, supportive of the US "war on terrorism". In an interview in The New York Times on the first anniversary of 9/11, Sen. Bob Graham describes his August 2001 encounter with General Ahmad:

"I had just come back a few days before September the 11th from a trip... Pakistan and meeting with President Musharraf and with the head of the Pakistani intelligence service. While we were meeting with the head of the intelligence service, a general whose name was General Ahmed, he had indicated he would be in Washington in early September, we -- Porter Goss, myself -- had invited him to meet with us while he was there. It turned out that the meeting was a breakfast the day of September the 11th.

So we were talking about what was happening in Afghanistan, what the capabilities and intentions of the Taliban and Al Qaeda were from the perspective of this Pakistani intelligence leader, when we got the notices that the World Trade Center towers had been attacked.

Q. So you had a more of an inkling than most people that something like this was possible due to your job, but still you couldn't have anticipated that it would happen.

A. Yeah, we had had no briefings either in the United States or in our just-concluded trip that indicated the immediacy or any of the specificity of what happened on September the 11th.

Q. But to you, probably less so than other people, it wasn't that surprising.

A. The fact that something like Sept. 11 occurred and that it occurred in the United States was not a stunning development. The fact that we were vulnerable to this had been anticipated. The actual details, the sophistication and the carnage, the loss of life that occurred, were stunning.

Q. The fact that you had no briefings or warnings, now looking back and you see what kind of evidence was around, was there an intelligence failure?

A. Well, that's one of the major questions that our joint inquiry is targeted to answer. I would defer a final answer until we have completed our review." (NYT, 10 September 2002, emphasis added)

In other words, two weeks before 9/11, the White House nominee for the CIA Director of Intelligence was being "briefed on the growing threat of al Qaeda" (WP, 5/04/03) by a Pakistani General who "ran a spy agency notoriously close to Osama bin Laden and the Taliban." (WP, 5/18/02 for further details see below). Meanwhile we are led to believe that the revamping of the CIA is required to effectively wage the global war on terrorism (GWOT).

The Goss-Graham Joint Inquiry on 9/11

The role of the ISI had been excluded from the Goss-Graham Joint Inquiry's 858 page Report? (See: http://www.globalsecurity.org/intell/library/congress/2003_rpt/joint-intell_9-11report_dec02-rel03.htm ).

While casually hinting to "Saudi support and involvement" in 9/11, the Joint Committee report has overlooked a vast body of analysis on ISI support to the terror network, in which the two Florida lawmen are personally implicated.

Needless to say, Saudi financing of Islamic organizations was part of an intelligence structure involving Pakistan's ISI and the CIA.

The Bush's administration's "cooperation" with Pakistan's ISI in the "war on terrorism"

On September 13th 2001, General Mahmoud Ahmad, the alleged "moneyman" behind the 9/11 hijackers was meeting Colin Powell at the State Department to discuss the terms of Pakistan's cooperation in the war on terrorism.

Was it "an intelligence failure" to seek the cooperation of the Pakistani government in the "war on terrorism" in an agreement brokered by the head of a spy agency which is known to support the Islamic terror network?

Why was the Ahmad-Powell meeting never acknowledged in the Goss-Graham Report?

Reorganization of the Intelligence Apparatus

One of the recommendations of the Joint Senate House Report chaired by Goss and Graham, was a massive reorganization of the intelligence apparatus which would put the CIA in control of 70 percent of the agency's 40 billion budget (as opposed to 12% under the current arrangement).

Moreover, in anticipation of his nomination to the helm of the agency, Porter Goss, has carefully set the stage. He has introduced a bill in the House which follows through on the Joint Senate House Report. (See Intelligence Authorization Act for Fiscal 2005, http://www.globalsecurity.org/intell/library/congress/2004_rpt/report108558.pdf ).

A large share of this expanded intelligence budget is to be allocated under the bill solely to the Global War on Terrorism (GWOT). This legislation, not only grants the Director of Central Intelligence expanded powers, it reinforces the CIA as a parallel administration responsible for US foreign policy, overshadowing the functions of the US State Department.

The legislation if adopted would "significantly expand the CIA director's executive and management authority over the whole intelligence community".

Below is the text of our earlier report on the the Mysterious 9/11 Breakfast meeting, first published by the CRG in June 2002 and published in the Winter 2003 issue of Global Outlook Quarterly.


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The 9/11 Joint Inquiry chairmen are in "conflict of interest":
Mysterious September 11 Breakfast Meeting on Capitol Hill
by Michel Chossudovsky
The following text published in Global Outlook, Winter 2003, provides details on the breakfast meeting hosted by Rep. Porter Goss on the morning of September 11

An earlier version of this text was published in June 2002 and in Michel Chossudovsky's book, War and Globalization the Truth behind September 11, Centre for Research on Globalization, September 2002, http://globalresearch.ca/globaloutlook/truth911.html )

In late August 2001, barely a couple of weeks before 9/11, Senator Bob Graham, Representative Porter Goss and Senator Jon Kyl were in Islamabad for consultations. Meetings were held with President Musharraf and with Pakistan's military and intelligence brass including the head of Pakistan’s Inter Services Intelligence (ISI) General Mahmoud Ahmad. An AFP report confirms that the US Congressional delegation also met the Afghan ambassador to Pakistan, Abdul Salam Zaeef. At this meeting, which was barely mentioned by the US media, "Zaeef assured the US delegation that the Taliban would never allow bin Laden to use Afghanistan to launch attacks on the US or any other country." 1

Note the sequencing of these meetings. Bob Graham and Porter Goss were in Islamabad in late August 2001. The meetings with President Musharraf and the Afghan Ambassador were on the 27th of August, the mission was still in Islamabad on the 30th of August, General Mahmoud Ahmad arrived in Washington on an official visit of consultations barely a few days later (September 4th). During his visit to Washington, General Mahmoud met his counterpart CIA director George Tenet and high ranking officials of the Bush administration.2

9/11 "Follow-up Meeting" on Capitol Hill
On the morning of September 11, the three lawmakers Bob Graham, Porter Goss and Jon Kyl (who were part of the Congressional delegation to Pakistan) were having breakfast on Capitol Hill with General Ahmad, the alleged "money-man" behind the 9-11 hijackers. Also present at this meeting were Pakistan's ambassador to the U.S. Maleeha Lodhi and several members of the Senate and House Intelligence committees were also present. This meeting was described by one press report as a "follow-up meeting" to that held in Pakistan in late August. "On 8/30, Senate Intelligence Committee chair Sen. Bob Graham (D-FL) 'was on a mission to learn more about terrorism.' (…) On 9/11, Graham was back in DC 'in a follow-up meeting with' Pakistan intelligence agency chief Mahmud Ahmed and House Intelligence Committee chair Porter Goss (R-FL)" 3 (The Hotline, 1 October 2002):

"When the news came, the two Florida lawmakers who lead the House and Senate intelligence committees were having breakfast with the head of the Pakistani intelligence service. Rep. Porter Goss, R-Sanibel, Sen. Bob Graham and other members of the House Intelligence Committee were talking about terrorism issues with the Pakistani official when a member of Goss' staff handed a note to Goss, who handed it to Graham. "We were talking about terrorism, specifically terrorism generated from Afghanistan," Graham said.

(...)

Mahmood Ahmed, director general of Pakistan's intelligence service, was "very empathetic, sympathetic to the people of the United States," Graham said.

Goss could not be reached Tuesday . He was whisked away with much of the House leadership to an undisclosed "secure location." Graham, meanwhile, participated in late-afternoon briefings with top officials from the CIA and FBI." 4

While trivializing the importance of the 9/11 breakfast meeting, The Miami Herald (16 September 2001) confirms that General Ahmad also met Secretary of State Colin Powell in the wake of the 9/11 attacks: "Graham said the Pakistani intelligence official with whom he met, a top general in the government, was forced to stay all week in Washington because of the shutdown of air traffic ‘He was marooned here, and I think that gave Secretary of State Powell and others in the administration a chance to really talk with him’. Graham said."5

Again the political significance of the personal relationship between General Mahmoud (the alleged "money man" behind 9/11) and Secretary of State Colin Powell is casually dismissed. According to The Miami Herald, the high level meeting between the two men was not planned in advance. It took place on the spur of the moment because of the shut down of air traffic, which prevented General Mahmoud from flying back home to Islamabad on a commercial flight, when in all probability the General and his delegation were traveling on a chartered government plane. With the exception of the Florida press (and Salon.com, 14 September), not a word was mentioned in the US media's September coverage of 9-11 concerning this mysterious breakfast reunion.

"A Cloak but No Dagger"
Eight months later on the 18th of May, two days after the "BUSH KNEW" headline hit the tabloids, the Washington Post published an article on Porter Goss, entitled: "A Cloak But No Dagger; An Ex-Spy Says He Seeks Solutions, Not Scapegoats for 9/11". Focusing on his career as a CIA agent, the article largely served to underscore the integrity and commitment of Porter Goss to waging a "war on terrorism". Yet in an isolated paragraph, the article acknowledges the mysterious 9/11 breakfast meeting with ISI Chief Mahmoud Ahmad, while also confirming that "Ahmad :ran a spy agency notoriously close to Osama bin Laden and the Taliban":

"Now the main question facing Goss, as he helps steer a joint House-Senate investigation into the Sept. 11 attacks, is why nobody in the far-flung intelligence bureaucracy -- 13 agencies spending billions of dollars -- paid attention to the enemy among us. Until it was too late.

Goss says he is looking for solutions, not scapegoats. "A lot of nonsense," he calls this week's uproar about a CIA briefing that alerted President Bush, five weeks before Sept. 11, that Osama bin Laden's associates might be planning airline hijackings.

"None of this is news, but it's all part of the finger-pointing," Goss declared yesterday in a rare display of pique. "It's foolishness."

(...) Goss has repeatedly refused to blame an "intelligence failure" for the terror attacks. As a 10-year veteran of the CIA's clandestine operations wing, Goss prefers to praise the agency's "fine work."

(...)

On the morning of Sept. 11, Goss and Graham were having breakfast with a Pakistani general named Mahmud Ahmed -- the soon-to-be-sacked head of Pakistan's intelligence service. Ahmed ran a spy agency notoriously close to Osama bin Laden and the Taliban. 6 (Washington Post, 18 May 2002)

"Putting Two and Two together"
While the Washington Post scores in on the "notoriously close" links between General Ahmad and Osama bin Laden, it fails to dwell on the more important question: what were Rep. Porter Goss and Senator Bob Graham and other members of the Senate and House intelligence committees doing together with the alleged 9/11 "money-man" at breakfast on the morning of 9/11. In other words, the Washington Post report does not go one inch further in begging the real question: Was this mysterious breakfast venue a "political lapse", an intelligence failure or something far more serious? How come the very same individuals (Goss and Graham) who had developed a personal rapport with General Ahmad, had been entrusted under the joint committee inquiry "to reveal the truth on 9-11."(see p. )

The media trivialises the breakfast meeting, it presents it as a simple fait divers and fails to "put two and two together". Neither does it acknowledge the fact, amply documented, that "the money-man" behind the hijackers had been entrusted by the Pakistani government to discuss the precise terms of Pakistan's "collaboration" in the "war on terrorism" in meetings held behind closed doors at the State department on the 12th and 13th of September. 11 7(See Michel Chossudovsky, op cit)

Smoking Gun
When the "foreknowledge" issue hit the street on May 16th, "Chairman Porter Goss said an existing congressional inquiry has so far found 'no smoking gun' that would warrant another inquiry." 8 This statement points to an obvious "cover-up". The smoking gun was right there sitting in the plush surroundings of the Congressional breakfast venue on Capitol on the morning of September 11.


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Notes
1 Agence France Presse (AFP), 28 August 2001.

2. Michel Chossudovsky, Political Deception, The Missing Link behind 9/11, Global Outlook, No. 2, 2002, See also . http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO206A.html ; See also Michel Chossudovsky, Cover-up or Complicity of the Bush Administration? The Role of Pakistan's Military Intelligence (ISI) in the September 11 Attacks, November 2001, http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO111A.html

3. The Hotline, 1 October 2002.

4 Stuart News Company Press Journal, Vero Beach, FL, 12 September 2001.

5 Miami Herald, 16 September 2001.

6. Washington Post, 18 May 2002.

7. Michel Chossudovsky, op. cit.

8. White House Bulletin, 17 May 2002.


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Related references

Michel Chossudovsky, War and globalization, The Truth behind September 11, Centre for Research on Globalization, Septmber 2002, http://globalresearch.ca/globaloutlook/truth911.html

Political Deception: The Missing Link behind 9-11 by Michel Chossudovsky, 20 June 2002, http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO206A.html

Cover-up or Complicity of the Bush Administration? The Role of Pakistan's Military Intelligence (ISI) in the September 11 Attacks, by Michel Chossudovsky, Centre for Research on Globalisation (CRG), 2 November 2001, http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO111A.html

9/9-9/11: Shah Masood, leader of the Northern Alliance assassinated two days before 9/11, by Michel Chossudovsky, 9 September 2003, http://globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO309B.html

The Joint inquiry is to churn out red herrings: a data bank of unconnected occurrences on "intelligence failures", FBI lapses, etc. Political Complicity and the 9/11 Joint Inquiry by Michel Chossudovsky, 25 July 2003, http://globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO307F.html


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[robertpaulsen]

142. Pallas, excellent detective work!

Goss would certainly be the worst CIA head since Dulles. Taking everything, the contra/narcotics scandal, Mahmood Ahmed, his double standard over Plame vs. Monicagate, I think he may be just as disgusting as Ashcroft.

First thing President Kerry should do January 21, 2005 is fire that POS.

BTW, I got more info on Mahmood Ahmed above and how he along with Mohammed Aziz and President Musharraf "handled" bin Laden.

[Pallas180]

151. ROBERTPAULSEN - WE NEED TO TIE 911 TO THE GOVT

and it looks like the place to go for research now is

Money Man Gen Ahmed meeting with Goss and his penchant for Patriot Acts.

Goss and Ahmed may have been finalizing plans.

Wouldn't it be something if it was Goss who placed the options bets
in Chicago on United Airlines and American Airlines.

Some broker, those puts were placed through someone, even if it was
through computer stockbroker.....if the SEC can trace the time and day
of Martha's sell, they can trace the time and day of the put and who
placed it.

WHY DONT WE KNOW THE NAME OF THE BASTID WHO KNEW AHEAD OF TIME OF
911 AND PLACED THE PUTS ON THE CHICAGO STOCK MARKET?????


All research goes to Goss and Gen Ahmed...RP...we need the tie in to the United States govt. participating in the planning and execution of 911

[H2O Man]

165. Maybe. Maybe not.

Remember the Man X on the park bench: Why? Who benefits?

To say that members of the power elite in the United States had strong financial & business relationships with foreign competitors who had equally strong financial & business ties to the power elite from Saudi Arabia that backed the 9-11 attack on the USA power elite might answer those two questions a lot better than saying the USA power elite dealt itself a vicious blow from which it did not benefit.

Before we say, "Aha! They did benefit! They invaded Iraq and lined Halliburton's pockets," please consider the fact that the invasion of Iraq was planned long before 9-11.

Who benefitted? Not the USA power elite. The people who backed the 9-11 attacks were the USA's competition, even if they occassionally meet, shake hands to seal business deals, and pretend to be friends.

Just my opinion. But I think if you move in the direction of claiming the USA power elite set up 9-11 intentionally, you will lose more than your focus.

[Pallas180]

197. H20 - The elite ideology benefited far more than just making money

in Iraq.

Their plan hatched 60 years ago was finally able to be put in action.
The US and International Elite of the organizations we have mentioned
many many times had and have the greates benefit.

The global plan has the greatest benefit. And the hatchers of that
plan are the elite in this country.

[H2O Man]

209. While this is true

it is equally true that they planned to invade Iraq and reap those exact same benefits. The only difference is that 9-11 took an enormous chuck out of their account. They would have made far, far, far more $$$ if there had been no 9-11, and they invaded Iraq .... which is exactly what they planned to do.

[Pallas180]

223. H20 H20 - Think about it, They couldn't invade Iraq without giving America

the substantial reason for invasion.....

it's all in black and white writing -their writing-

the WTC didn't cost them a pennny....it made them money -
it only cost the taxpayers money,

not only did it give them the "reason" to go into Afghanistan and Iraq,
it gave them the reason to begin and execute the destruction of the
Constitution piece by piece, under Homeland Security, which is nothing
more than Fema martial law which has been in place since Reagan.

H20, the attack on America was not done by a foreign entity alone.

[H2O Man]

226. The proof is in the pudding......

Did they need any excuse to invade Iraq? No. None. They had planned it, as Richard Clarke has made very clear, before 9-11. In fact, from 1996, Wolfowitz had created the plans.

Malcolm X used to say that if you want people to drink from a bottle of medicine, don't put a skull and cross-bones on it.

We have information that we want the public to consume, though not because we have a profit motive. Putting a skull and cross-bones on it may not be the wisest choice.

[Pallas180]

229. H20 - We've shown the reasons for Plame - however that will only

will only net lower level, because that is all Fitzgerald has been assigned to do - who exposed Plame....he has not been assigned to go after the bigger fish .

We are not connecting dots to the origination of the WTC attack that
50 % of Americans don't already suspect, and 90% of the rest of the world
doesn't KNOW.

Plame has led to the rest of this knowledge.

If we dont move ahead with showing the connection of this administration
with the cooperation of the attack on the US, and Goss and others of the
fascist bad cia/cabal are allowed to continue......Plame will not mean
spit in the ocean.

What you are asking is stop at Plame...which has led to the nuclear walmart and back to Cheney and the WH. And let them figure out from there.

What I'm saying is continue to the final blow of exposing ALL and destroying them.

If FDR had done this in the 30's we would not be suffering the horrors of his inaction now.

And if the shoe were onthe other foot, do you doubt that they would do
all they could to destroy Wilson, Edmonds, and any who challenge them?

You know different.

the bad tasting medicine parable doesn't fit here. Americans have to
wake up to the dastardly acts they have sponsored. They're not children...they've just been blind.

If it isn't laid out for them - we will continue on our way to being
a Fascist country if not Hitler's Germany. And that is not an exaggeration. The email we receive from other countries says exactly
that : We are worried that America is going Fascist."

One strikes when the time is right.

These threads have creditibility and the time is now.

Pallas

[H2O Man]

258. That's fine.

We all should decide for ourselves.

[shraby]

169. I read that the records that identified

who made the "put" options were destroyed in the WTC and no one has claimed the money. I don't think they figured on the entire two buildings to flatten like they did.

[Pallas180]

199. Shraby, how could that be? The puts were made in Chicago -

so why would the records be destroyed in NYC?

but if so, like the Churchlady used to say:

Waaaal nooowwww. Eesn't thaaat Con-veeenient ?

[shraby]

205. From what I read,

they were recorded in the WTC. Sounds mighty fishy to me. The money hasn't been collected says a lot though..who ever did it, didn't expect anyone to notice.

[RebelYell]

187. Put options - mentioned in the 9/11 Commish report

said they didn't happen (like I believe that)

[Pallas180]

200. BRAK! choke. cough cough. Everybocy knows there were bets

made!

I haven't read that report...but I cant believe it said that.

Did it?

[RebelYell]

219. I heard it on CNN (Wolf Blitzter) and on my local news

immediately after the report came out that there was no evidence that the stock market had been manipulated. Ha. Tell me another one.

[Pallas180]

225. Rumsfeld & Cheney's Disinofrmation Operation-State Controlled Media

what we are saying is this is no longer any semblance of a free country

propagandizing the public through state controlled media

[RebelYell]

114. Pallas!

Fantasic stuff!!!

"A deep, critical examination of history reveals that Roosevelt wanted, provoked, and allowed the Japanese to attack Pearl Harbor, to gain support for the U.S.’s entry into World War II; a deep, critical examination of 9/11 reveals striking parallels to other historical events where a government has actually dropped defenses and assisted an “attack” to terrify a population into sacrificing their liberties, and supporting unjust wars against other nations (Think Reichstag Fire). Who was behind Patriot I and Patriot II? Porter Goss… The chosen protégé of Senator Bob Graham who shares the same agenda."

I saw the FOIA papers on Pearl Harbor...it was LIHOP.

[Pallas180]

117. REB - can you post more on author of Patriot 1 and 2, i.e.

the bill HR or HS presented by _______

Yes. It's beginning to look like Goss has had a lot to do with
Iran Contra drug activities, airports, 9-11 cover-ups and meetings
with terrorist bosses in ISI.

Now google Goss and Pappy....all trails lead to Pappy.
Let's see if Goss was under Pappy, working for Pappy from the
beginning.

Goss and Bilderberg
Goss and Trilateral
Goss and Carlyle

Pappy seems to = monster, like that sweet looking young man that
killed and ate his prey...what was his name.

How could such monsters walk the earth?

This stuff has to go out to Rockefeller and anyone we think can stop
his confirmation.

[shraby]

120. Here's more on Goss

Chairmen Hunter, Goss Block Probes of Torture July 16, 2004

(snip)

Now, since early May, Goss has also tried to sweep under the rug, the evidence about the torture scandal at Abu Ghraib and elsewhere out of the front offices of the White House, the office of the Vice President, and the neo-con leadership of the civilian side of the Pentagon.

Even before he became the HPSCI chairman in 1997, Goss had a history of putting the lid on dirty intelligence community operations, especially the evidence of the Iran-Contra drug-running scandals of the 1980s. Goss declared, on CNN's "Both Sides" TV show back on Sept. 29, 1996, after the "CIA-Contra crack-cocaine" scandal had emerged, that the information was untrue. He said, "Senator John Kerry, in the mid-'80s, when this was very topical, conducted quite an expensive investigation and came up with absolutely no evidence." Actually, as panelist John Newman of the University of Maryland pointed out, the Kerry investigation had "found there had been a lot of drug smuggling; number two, that the infrastructure for the Contras was used to bring cocaine up here."

After Goss became chairman of HPSCI in 1997, the committee further covered up the Ollie North/Contra drug-trafficking, although even the CIA itself had acknowledged that some of the Contra operatives with whom it worked were involved in drug-trafficking.

On the domestic policy front, from his position as a member of the House Rules Committee and chairman of its Budget and Legislative Process subcommittee, Goss played a key role in pushing through Newt Gingrich's and the Conservative Revolution's Contract on America after the Republicans took over the House in 1995. He was at the forefront of efforts to pass into law a line-item veto for appropriations bills (later ruled un-Constitutional by the U.S. Supreme Court); a balanced budget amendment to the Constitution; and a tax-limitation amendment which would have required a three-fifths "super-majority" to pass any law that would result in an increase in taxes.

(more)

<http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2004/3128goss_hunter_block.html>

[shraby]

121. WHOOPS

THE DEATH OF BRIAN DOWNING QUIG

(snip)

I have several copies hidden, given to me by a top intelligence operative that shows the indictments by Costa Rica, Senate & Congress of Carl Lindar,
Oliver North, George H.W. Bush, General Singlaub, John Hall, General Richard Secord, Assistant U.S. Attorney William Richard Scruggs and others, involving Narcotics for weapons operations on Carl Lindnars Ranch in Costa Rica. Carl Lindnar is know as one of the two Illegal Comptrollers-Money Launders of
"The Bush Crime Family" in the United States.
Lindnar known as the OHIO Connection.
The other Comptroller being Leonard Millman of Denver Colorado, known as the Denver Connection. Millman was the owner of 17,000 acres of property in Belize on the east coast of Mexico which was used for guns and drugs involving Panama and Nicaragua all part of Iran/Contra. This property in Belize had further ownership involving Neil Bush and CIA-Congressman Porter Goss of Florida, who now is the Chairman of the House Intelligence Oversight Committee.

(more)

<http://www.stewwebb.com/MURDERS%20BRIAN%20DOWNING%20QUIG.html>

This site looks kinda off the wall, but there is a lot of info there. He has been doing some work.

<http://www.stewwebb.com>

[Pallas180]

159. SHRABY-BEST FIND Apparently Porter Goss is an uncle to the family.

Kissinger is indicted in South America, and Pappy and company are
indicted in Costa Rica....WHY THE HELL AREN'T THEY IN JAIL - OR
KIDNAPPED AND JAILED????

Apparently the Mossad is the only one capable of capturing international criminals.



THE DEATH OF BRIAN DOWNING QUIG

(snip)

I have several copies hidden, given to me by a top intelligence operative that shows the indictments by Costa Rica, Senate & Congress of Carl Lindar,
Oliver North, George H.W. Bush, General Singlaub, John Hall, General Richard Secord, Assistant U.S. Attorney William Richard Scruggs and others, involving Narcotics for weapons operations on Carl Lindnars



Ranch in Costa Rica. Carl Lindnar is know as one of the two Illegal Comptrollers-Money Launders of
"The Bush Crime Family" in the United States.
Lindnar known as the OHIO Connection.
The other Comptroller being Leonard Millman of Denver Colorado, known as the Denver Connection. Millman was the owner of 17,000 acres of property in Belize on the east coast of Mexico which was used for guns and drugs involving Panama and Nicaragua all part of Iran/Contra. This property in Belize had further ownership involving Neil Bush and CIA-Congressman Porter Goss of Florida, who now is the Chairman of the House Intelligence Oversight Committee.

(more)

<http://www.stewwebb.com/MURDERS%20BRIAN%20DOWNING%20QUI... >

This site looks kinda off the wall, but there is a lot of info there. He has been doing some work.

<http://www.stewwebb.com >

[RebelYell]

122. HR3179 Expands Patriot Act II, sponsored by Goss

CIA Shill Porter Goss: HR3179 Expands Patriot II
by CONSPIRACY PLANET

In his column, "The M3 Money Supply Story: A New Twist, Rep. Porter Goss (R-FL) and Patriot II Skullduggery," political analyst Al Martin details the sordid history of former CIA operative Porter Goss, who is on the short list to become the director of the CIA.

Goss (R-CIA) is the sponsor of HR-3179, the Anti-Terrorism Intelligence Tools Improvement Act of 2003, previously known as Patriot II and the expansion of the USA Patriot (sic) Act, which would allow not only secret grand juries, but secret arrest of US citizens.

"And who is Porter Goss?" Martin asks. "Porter Goss, (R-FL) is surprise! a former CIA agent who left the CIA under clouded circumstances. He was a field agent but was actually forced out because of a trail of bodies that got tagged to him, literally, all over the world.

~~~~~~~~

http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=49&contentid=1336

[RebelYell]

127. Skolnick ties BFEE with Goss

"Jointly with his father and the American CIA, Jeb Bush used these enterprises as a reputed massive money laundry for illicit funds, including funds for bloody dirty tricks of the spy agency, such as overthrowing foreign governments deemed unworthy or unfriendly to the spy shop and, on occasion, assassinating foreign leaders. Reportedly participating in these schemes has been Porter J. Goss, more recently a Congressman (R., Florida), and previously a covert operations officer of the American CIA. Also interwoven with these fraudulent enterprises has been Henry Hyde, Congressman from Chicago suburbs. In violation of the U.S. Constitution's mandate of Separation of Powers, Hyde is also head of the CIA's "black budget" using the dope trafficking proceeds to finance dirty tricks. Hyde was supervising authority of the Mena, Arkansas airport dope trafficking for CIA, jointly with George Herbert Walker Bush, Ollie North, and William Rockefeller Clinton. Hyde has reportedly assisted the Bush family in laundering illicit funds through the Paradise Island (Bahamas) gambling casino."

http://www.skolnicksreport.com/bushflo.html

[Pallas180]

160. Clinton's middle name is not Rockefeller, it's Jefferson -how

solid is the info from that site?

[RebelYell]

180. Purely rumor

It has been rumored that Clinton's maternal grandmother had an affair with Winthrop Rockefeller, making Bill Clinton the illegitimate grandson of John D. I've never seen proof.

Sherman Skolnick's heart is in the right place, but he doesn't reveal sources. He's fairly effective though, he's been instrumental in getting corrupt Chicago judges off the bench. He's disabled. That's about all I know about him.

Edit typo

[H2O Man]

170. The idea that Roosevelt

knew about Pearl Harbor is certainly not new, but it is pretty shakey. Did the US do things that provoked the attack? Well, Pat Buchanan makes a pretty good case for that. But that might be seen as the US thinking it could push a non-white, non-christian nation around at will.

I respect that everyone has the right to their own opinion. There are likely to be many differences of opinion, even among the group of friends on here. So, while I want to be careful not to say my opinion is of more or less value than anyone else's, or offend anyone, I do not think that the evidence shows FDR knew about and allowed the attack on Pearl Harbor. I would ask you to keep in mind that this attack on him dates back to the days when his enemies -- the power elite -- felt he had betrayed capitalism.

One little FDR quote, from his March 4, 1933 (first) inaugural address may show you why the power elite hated him: FDR blamed the Great Depression on the power elite, "because the rulers of the exchange of mankind's goods have failed ... Practices of unscrupulous money changers stand indicted in the court of public opinion ... there must be strict supervision of all banking and credits and investments; there must be an end to speculation with other people's money."

The attacks by those unscrupulous money changers are of about the same cloth as the attacks by Newt Gingrich against Bill Clinton.

[RebelYell]

186. I respect you too much to be offended :)

I have only one question - have you seen the McCollum memo? That's what did it for me. It was obtained through the FOIA, and I can email the docs to you if you haven't looked at them.

I respect your opinion and I'm not the type to push my thoughts on anyone. I believe very little without proof, but I do read nearly everything I can find about corruption - I've worked for a P.I. for almost 20 years. It's in my blood. :)

[Pallas180]

201. Heh heh - it's a club! I wonder how many others of us belong

to that club. :)

No wonder the Plame threads went like wildfire. LOL - grinning.

Isn't that funny.

[Pallas180]

149. "Outrage over Porter Goss's nomination would be a good place to start"

Presidents come and go,

but the consolidation of military and corporate power march on relentlessly serving the necrophiliac elite who believe that if they can’t own or control something; they have the right to kill it.

Only the raising of consciousness of the vast global majority, who respect life, truth, justice and desire peace, freedom, and a future for all, can, through their civic outrage- world opinion, put a halt to the utter criminalization of the state, by casting the spotlight on Bush, the Cover-Up Commission, and the proposed “Intelligence Czar”- Porter Goss. Outrage over Porter Goss's nomination would be a good place to start

[shraby]

111. This part confuses me..

Q: Are you aware of the reports at the time that the ISI chief was in Washington on September 11th, and on September 10th $100,000 was wired from Pakistan to these groups here in this area? And why was he here? Was he meeting with you or anybody in the Administration?


It makes no sense for the money to have been transferred on the 10th if Atta was going up in smoke on the 11th. He wasn't there to receive it anyway, he went to Maine. Who was? Someone had to distribute it, and why not more, after all it was supposedly to pay them for killing themselves? Still doesn't make any sense..they couldn't spend it. There is a blank here that isn't filled in.

Also from a previous post I put this:

Popular Bank is one of several Florida banks identified as holding Contra accounts

POPULAR BK OF FL Coral Gables
Popular Bank of Florida A full service Bank with 12 different locations throughout Central and Souith America. Specializng in both Foreign and Domestic markets, affiliated with Credomatic, GBM and BAC International Bank.

Where was Atta in Florida?

[Pallas180]

115. Was that where the Moroccan Attache' and brother had their

accounts?

[RebelYell]

124. Maybe Atta wasn't on the plane

I know it's out in left field, but who would wire money to a guy who would be dead the next day?

Or

Atta gave the cash to someone else, which makes more sense, if you believe he was on the plane

[Pallas180]

161. REB - there has been suspicion that he wasn't on the plane -

his passport was found several blocks from the crash ---as if it
had blown there, or placed there....

unless he was very very high on cocaine, why would he go with the
crash -- but the voice on the tape was supposed to be his...but
then again they said they never found the black boxes of the planes.

Plastic Surgery is like going into a convenience store for a pack
of cigarettes in Florida.

I agree with you.

[hedda_foil]

133. Goss/Bay of Pigs/JFK assasination connection????

http://inn.globalfreepress.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=485

...Goss, who speaks Spanish and French, started with the CIA in Miami about the time of the Cuban missile crisis. The CIA recruited him during his junior year at Yale, where he completed his bachelor's degree in ancient Greek in 1960.

During a 2002 interview with The Washington Post, Goss joked that he performed photo interpretation and "small-boat handling," which led to "some very interesting moments in the Florida Straits." He acknowledged he had recruited and run foreign agents and said he would be uncomfortable traveling to Cuba but wouldn't say more.

[H2O Man]

147. Small world, ain't it?

Let's see: what were the names of the boats used for some American mischief in Cuba around that time? Think Mr. Goss was "connected" to anybody's daddy?

[Pallas180]

164. Ok. I'll bite. H20. What were the names of the boats?

:shrug:

[H2O Man]

220. too easy

I'd like to see what the researchers can tell us. (grin)

[Jose Diablo]

224. Barbara?

[H2O Man]

227. there's one.

two left.

[Wind Dancer]

241. Good morning,

Anybody else having a hard time sleeping at night?

From the words of "Paranoid Larry"

And Operation Zapata was the code name for the Bay of Pigs
Like the Bushes' oil company
what a funny coincidence.
And they painted two gunboats so it looked like a pleasure trip
and the Houston and the Barbara
were the boats they sailed in on....


Zapata, Houston and Barbara

Good discussion on this subject: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1993424

[Pallas180]

162. Hi Hedda, long time no see - yep, sounds like Bay of Pigs but

not necessarily JFK ---then again, I was reading somewhere here
that a long trail of dead bodies seemed to follow Goss.

Whatever he's a bad number and we should be making a lot of free
phone calls to Capitol Hill, telling them that he has been involved
in crooked deals, drugs for the CIA, lies for the dimson family,
and the worst is the Patriot Acts - and if he's such a good CIA
candidate how is it he didnt know about the Arab hijackers in his
own district.

He is not a suitable candidate for any office.

And if he hadn't beeen nominated by dimson, none of us would have
ever known or shone a flashlight on this cockroach.

[slutticus]

37. Hey!

You guys are famous.

You just got mentioned on Mike Malloy

Keep up the good work! :toast:

[H2O Man]

38. What'd he say?

Dang! My wife called me impotent before, but I didn't know this entire group was impotent enough to make the news!

[slutticus]

39. A lady called in ...

...and mentioned how great the Valerie Plame threads were.

And Mike said he loved DU!


Good work guys. You are being noticed.

[shraby]

41. H20, Pallas and RP

Check out post #35 and see what I found..I'm going back after V.II now. Here it is!

Volume Two of CIA Inspector General's Drug Report Released


A CIA Confession - Oliver North Exposed
by
Michael C. Ruppert

© COPYRIGHT 1998, 1999, 2000, Michael C. Ruppert - From The Wilderness @ www.copvcia.com.
ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Permission to reprint only if the preceding appears.

October 21, 1998
In a move apparently deliberately timed to muzzle Congressional response, the Central Intelligence Agency, on October 8, released the long awaited declassified version of Volume II of Inspector General Frederick Hitz's investigation into allegations of Contra drug trafficking. The report, which had been in the hands of the Intelligence Committees of both Houses since Spring is a virtual confession by CIA that it engaged in a conspiracy to protect known narcotics traffickers throughout the Contra war years. Release of the declassified version of the report came just one hour after the House of Representatives voted to conduct an impeachment inquiry on President Clinton and just before House members were compelled to cease all other activity to resolve the budget crisis. Mike Schmitz, aide to Congresswoman Maxine Waters who sits on the Judiciary Committee, which debated the impeachment measure, told From The Wilderness, "She was unable to read it. She couldn't respond. And then she had to go right into budget talks.

"But," Schmitz added, "You can bet the farm that she is not going to keep quiet about this." This writer has prepared a 44-page extract of relevant passages from the report, which shows that the Agency participated in an apparent conspiracy to protect traffickers throughout the Contra war. It also demonstrates that now departed CIA Inspector General Fred Hitz opted for a course which pointed accusing fingers directly at retired Marine Lt. Col. Oliver North, the National Security Council (NSC) and indirectly at then Vice President George Bush. A copy of that extract was sent to Waters' office last week.

The House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence (HPSCI) has not yet announced a date for hearings to review the report but it will have to do so in the near future. Many are still smarting from HPSCI's last set of hearings on Volume I which were begun March 15, without notice, on orders of Committee Chair Porter Goss, (R) Fla, who is himself a retired CIA case officer. Calls and letters to HPSCI and the White House accusing Goss of a conflict of interest and demanding adequate public notice have already started going out. It is not likely that hearings will be held until after the November elections when Republicans hope to increase their majority in the House.

Mainstream media coverage of the report, though underplayed, gave indications of how damning the report really is. None of the stories I reviewed mentioned the fact that the Inspector General's report also goes a long way toward corroborating allegations made by retired DEA Agent Celerino Castillo and author Gary Webb.

As reported by Associated Press, the report, "portrays the spy agency as reluctant to inform Congress or law enforcement of suspected drug activity by Nicaraguan Contra forces." The AP story continued to say that, "In classified briefings on Capitol Hill, CIA officials typically acknowledged only one major case of narcotics involvement by an anti-Sandinista group - the so called ADREN 15th of September group, which was disbanded in 1982. But the newly declassified report links to drug allegations 58 other individuals belonging to various Contra groups."

A telling passage of the CIA report itself states that "In six cases CIA knowledge of allegations or information indicating that organizations or individuals had been involved in drug trafficking did not deter their use by CIA. In at least two of those cases, CIA did not act to verify drug trafficking allegations or information even when it had the opportunity to do so."

In an apparent confirmation of Gary Webb's Dark Alliance series The New York Times, in a brief story, picked out a paragraph from the report which acknowledged that Contra leaders in California and the Bay area specifically planned to deal drugs to raise money for the Contras.

The Los Angeles Times has not printed a word about the report.

The report itself is a thousand times more damaging to CIA than even these limited stories indicated. It begins by going through a detailed and convoluted process of describing how, beginning in 1981, the CIA entered into a conspiratorial set of negotiations with the Justice Department which accomplished two things. First, the negotiations took literally thousands of people described as agents, assets and contractors and removed them from their previous as classification of "employees" and made them instantly "non-employees." This set the stage for the second part of the conspiracy, which was to remove a previously stated responsibility to report drug trafficking by non-employees connected to Agency operations.

Later on the report describes how, in 1987, then acting DCI Robert Gates, wrote a strident and noble sounding memorandum to then Deputy Director of Operations, Clair George, setting down no-nonsense policies against dealing with traffickers. The problem is that the memorandum was not officially distributed for 15 years.

In a move apparently intended to show that the Agency had some sense of right and wrong it describes in detail the drug trafficking activities of Jorge Morales as connected to ARDE Southern Front Contra leader Eden Pastora. Pastora was, almost from the outset, in disfavor with the Agency. A credible case has been made, in fact, that the Agency intended several times to assassinate Pastora and one failed attempt, a bombing at La Penca in Nicaragua, led to the serious injury of American journalist Tony Avirgan. Much later in the report the Agency links the infamous John Hull to the bombing through its own cable traffic and information developed by the government of Costa Rica where Hull operated.

As the report continues, CIA's excuses and denials for continued dealings with other traffickers begin to sound strangely like Bill Clinton's evolving definitions of sex. When absolutely cornered they lay out someone else, namely Ollie North and the NSC.

In a sections on SETCO, an air freight company owned by Class Iviolator Juan Ramon Matta Ballesteros, which was documented shipping tons of cocaine, CIA says SETCO was chosen by NHAO to transport goods on behalf of the Contras from late 1985 through mid-1986. According to testimony by FDN leader Adolfo Calero before the Iran-Contra committees, SETCO received funds for Contra supply operations from the "bank accounts that were established by Oliver North." Oliver North's ally at State was Elliot Abrams, a frequently named co-conspirator in the Iran Contra affair, and a man known to have worked with CIA bagman Albert Vincent Carone who dealt withorganized crime figures for the purpose of moving cocaine and laundering money in the era. Carone has been covered in previous issues of From The Wilderness.

In another section on major trafficker Moises Nunez, who was being investigated for shipment of hundreds of kilos of cocaine through firms named Frigorificos de Puntarenas and Ocean Hunter (also NHAO contractors), the CIA lays out North yet again. They describe how cocaine was reportedly received at air strips owned by John Hull in Costa Rica and taken to ships owned by these two firms. The CIA report then states, "On March 25, 1987, CIA questioned Nunez about narcotics trafficking allegations against him.

"Nunez revealed that since 1985, he had engaged in a clandestine relationship with the National Security Council (NSC). Nunez refused to elaborate on the nature of these actions, but indicated it was difficult to answer questions relating to his involvement in narcotics trafficking because of the specific tasks he had performed at the direction of the NSC (emphasis mine). Nunez refused to identify the NSC officials with whom he had been involved."

Oliver North was the point man at NSC for all Contra support activities.

The IG report continues, "Headquarters cabled in April 1987 that a decision had been made to "debrief" Nunez regarding the revelations he had made. The next day however, a Headquarters cable stated that 'Headquarters had decided againstÉ debriefing Nunez.' The cable offered no explanation for the decision."

As to allegations of trafficking at Ilopango Air Base in El Salvador the report, over approximately five pages, appears to corroborate many of the allegations made by former DEA Agent Celerino Castillo in his book Powderburns. The Agency draws a distinction between two separate hangars at Ilopnago, one of which was operated by the Agency, the other of which was operated by the NSC . In making those distinctions the Inspector General's report also tends to state that CIA personnel somehow evaporated from the airfield during the time period when Castillo documented many drug flights. The CIA report also, referring to him as an unnamed "American citizen", utterly trashes and disavows the spook Wally Grasheim who Castillo arrested on drug trafficking and weapons charges. Grasheim had recently filed suit against the U.S. government and is currently represented by former Kerry Committee lawyer, John Mattes.

John Hull, one of the biggest covert operators in the region, who was indicted along with Oliver North on drug and weapons charges by the Costa Rican government, is similarly left on twisting in the breeze. In spite of allegations from a number of pilots and major traffickers including Jorge Morales, eyewitness testimony and the fact that the Costa Rican government indicted Hull and North on drug trafficking and weapons charges. Hull denied any such activity. He did admit to fleeing the country in 1989.

What is unusual is that CIA devotes approximately four pages to Hull demonstrating that his drug trafficking connections, murders and even a planned bombing of the U.S. Embassy in Costa Rica were the subject of intense and frequent communications between CIA and the Congress. Whereas in other places the CIA report goes to great lengths to state that suspected drug traffickers were not employed by the Agency, in Hull's case it neither confirms or denies any such relationship.

Additional operations and individuals discussed in the CIA report include Arnoldo Arana, Frank Castro, Vortex, Michael Palmer, Hondu Carib, Alan Hyde, Manuel Noriega, Felix Rodriguez, Eden Pastora, Ramon Milian Rodriguez, Jorge Morales, Jorge Ochoa and an elusive CIA contractor/employee who worked under the pseudonym of Ivan Gomez.

Celerino Castillo, in an interview with From The Wilderness stated that he believed the mysterious Ivan Gomez to be a Venezuelan trafficker named Victor Rivera who Cele had met and had dealings with during the course of his DEA investigations. He described Rivera, in his book and the interview as a goon who fired shots within inches of torture victims ears as a means of intimidation. The CIA says of Gomez, that virtually his entire family was in the drug business at the same time that Gomez was married to a CIA employee.

From the damaging nature of the report it is apparent that what happens now will be up to the Congress and the people. There is no longer any room for CIA to hide and Oliver North should start packing his bags - either to go to jail or to flee the country.


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Executive Summary and Conclusions
Key Findings

Introduction

14. "CIA received allegations or information regarding drug trafficking by Contra-related individuals in the Southern Front that operated from Costa Rica. In 1984, CIA received allegations that five individuals associated with the Democratic Revolutionary Alliance (ARDE)/Sandino Revolutionary Front (FRS) were engaged in a drug trafficking conspiracy with a known narcotics trafficker, Jorge Morales. CIA broke off contact with ARDE in October, 1984, but continued to have contact with four of the individuals involved with Morales"

16. In addition to the five individuals associated with ARDE, CIA received drug trafficking allegations or information concerning 16 other individuals who supported Southern Front Contra operations based in Costa Rica."

17. Contra Related Individuals - Northern Front. CIA also received allegations or information concerning drug trafficking by nine Contra-related individuals in the Northern Front based in Honduras.

18. Other Individuals Involved in the Contra Program. CIA received drug trafficking allegations or information concerning five individuals who were used to support the Contra program.

19. Companies, Pilots and Other Individuals Working for Companies Used in Support of the Contra Program. CIA received drug trafficking allegations or information concerning 14 pilots and two other individuals who were associated with companies that provided support for the Contra program. CIA also learned of drug trafficking allegations or information concerning three companies that were used to support Contra activities from 1984 until at least 1988.

20. CIA received drug trafficking allegations or information concerning an individual who flew Contra support missions from Ilopango Air Base in El Salvador in 1985 and 1986.

If you want to know MORE about this subject,
we recommend the following:

- Extracts and Commentary from Vol. II of the CIA Inspector General's
Report.
- Mike with Maxine Waters at Fairfax High
- CIA Drugs and the Impeachment (video or audio)


(maybe there is some stuff to google in this, I haven't read it yet.)

[Pallas180]

49. OK. Why is Oliver North on television & pappy celebrated jumping from airp

airplanes?

Why are they not arrested and tried for treason.

North was pardoned once, during Reagan years...but not for the continuing drug running of the NSA and CIA under pappy's term as far as I can understand which continued, according to this.

Pappy, NOrth, and Abrams should be being tried for criminal and treason charges for the W88 to China.

Big Dawg chickened out.

I don't think we can expect Kerry to do it.

[H2O Man]

57. Oliver North is a scarey man.

It doesn't matter if you like him or hate him: he's a serious man, and he's not cut from the same cloth as guys like Rove, Libby, or Cheney, who imagine themselves as "tough guys." Oliver North is intense. So when Clinton took measure of him, he knew exactly what he was dealing with.

Kerry has already done battle with him in the Iran-Contra business. Kerry isn't intimidated by North, like most reasonable human beings would be.

I do not agree with 95% of North's beliefs, but he's no joke. His job with Fox is a cover.

[shraby]

58. Here's some more

OPENING REMARKS OF
MICHAEL C. RUPPERT

for the

Senate Select Committee on Intelligence

(snip)

I also saw a plastic shopping bag which contained a black monocular night vision device. Then I saw Teddy receive sealed communiques from Naval and Air Force NCOs stationed at Belle Chase Naval Air station. I heard her speak on the phone and in person to a U.S. Army Special Forces veteran named Freddy about meetings with a Carlos Marcello associate named Adrian. I was introduced to a number of employees of the Brown & Root corporation, long identified in public source material as a CIA contractor, who were shipping out for Iran. Teddy told me that she was especially concerned with making sure that certain important shipments - weapons - were safely loaded onto Brown and Root ships destined for Iran.

On one occasion we went to a bar and sat with several employees from "the company", Brown & Root and members of the New Orleans Police Department.

(snip)

I should point out here that the Director of Central Intelligence when I met Teddy and when the New Orleans operations began was George Herbert Walker Bush. The Deputy Director of Plans, or covert operations, was Ted Shackley. Both men are central to the drug trafficking by CIA and NSC which became epidemic in the Iran-Contra era. The New Orleans operation continued unabated under the Directorship of Admiral Stansfield Turner and the Presidency of Jimmy Carter.

(snip)

I should point out here that original letters to me from Craig Fuller - including the one I just exhibited, were stolen from my residence while I slept just three days after I confronted DCI Deutch. The burglary occurred the same day that an investigator
from this committee called me and asked if I possessed such letters and if I could fax them immediately. LAPD Foothill Division has obtained fingerprints other than my own from the place where the documents were stored. I should mention that another original exists, on White House stationery, which I can produce should the Committee wish to see it.

(snip)

After my visit to Craig Fuller I became increasingly frustrated with the lack of progress. Several days later I picked up the phone and called the Managing Editor of The Washington Star. I got right through. I said, "The CIA is dealing drugs in this country to finance covert operations." His response was, "Mike, that's the worst kept secret in Washington."... The worst kept secret in Washington!

(snip)

We have since obtained tape recorded statements from James Robert Strauss that Amadeus was none other than George Herbert Walker Bush. That tape is safely stored, awaiting an opportunity to be presented to the American people directly for their judgement by Carone's daughter, Dee Ferdinand.

(snip)

10/1/97



(more much more, don't know if I can post all of it.)

<http://www.fromthewilderness.com/ssci.shtml>

[Pallas180]

61. Whoaaa. Who is this guy really- and why was he testifying before

the committee?

I sure hope no one knows the name he currently uses or where he
lives.

BTW, the Venice area is a very small area, one couldn't easily miss
a bunch of Arabs..you'd know who are residents and even know who are
tourists.

[shraby]

63. There was this at the bottom

of the article, but it wouldn't post.

Intelligence Committees of both houses and five additional members of
Congress. I have received no reply.]

<http://www.fromthewilderness.com/ssci.shtml>

[shraby]

65. Lawsuit Alleges FEMA Funded by Laundered Drug Profits

This is related to the Ruppert article above

Speculation about the mysterious origin and funding of the so-called Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) has continued for decades.

The history of FEMA as an illegal unconstitutional entity has been most recently exposed in an unprecedented lawsuit against the CIA and its alleged drug trafficking and money laundering operations.

In September 1998 a $63 million lawsuit (Case No. 98CV11829JLT) was filed by Massachusetts attorney Ray Kohlman on behalf of former Green Beret Bill Tyree.

Kohlman, a former legal investigator for attorney William Pepper in the Martin Luther King murder trial of James Earl Ray, filed a 101-page complaint on behalf of his client.

(more/there is also an article about Tyree on Ruppert's site)

<http://www.stewwebb.com/Legal%20Lawsuit%20Alleges%20FEMA%20Funded%20by%20Laundered%20Drug%20Profits.html>

[Pallas180]

70. We might be able to find the result of the lawsuit on Findlaw.

I'll take a look tomorrow.

[shraby]

73. I checked through the FEMA

rules and didn't see anything like what is described as martial law in it.

[Pallas180]

76. hmm. Scraby I posted them once - they're martial law alright

with no rights. Written by Oliver NOrth for Reagan and kept.

Maybe you got the wrong place.

FEMA which is really now Homeland Security Agency becomes the dictator
of the country...no congress input. Just Fema rules.

[RebelYell]

184. Mike Ruppert is former LAPD and reputable, a good cop

and investigator

[Pallas180]

202. AHA. no wonder he gets the info. he's considered a member

of the club.

[H2O Man]

42. "I read the news today - oh boy" -- John Lennon, A Day in the Life

There is an article "Can You Spell S-E-C-U-R-I-T-Y ?" in Correspondences,Org, which is "news by people for people," and a good site for our group's papers. This article, by Tess Ellis, does a good job of pointing out the administration's sins in the Plame case.

http://www.correspondences.org/archives/000650.html

[H2O Man]

43. "about a lucky man, who made the grade...."

"I think Matt Cooper is going to jail." -- Lucy Dalglish, Executive Director of Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press.

Time attorney James Kelly vows to fight the court order even "if it means taking it all the way to the Supreme Court."

http://pbs.org/newshour/updates/leaksinvestigating_08-10-04.html

[H2O Man]

45. "....and though the news was rather sad...."

In an interview with Amy Goodman, David Corn notes that the investigation may be experiencing trouble, thus the efforts to force reporters to reveal sources. From "Democracy Now" :

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/08/10/1410210

[Wind Dancer]

53. I heard that interview today!

I thought this was interesting:

Corn - "if you're a reporter and you promise confidentiality to a source, you have to keep that confidentiality. Unless, of course, you are talking about preventing a murder from happening or something extreme. If you go back to your source or if your source says, I release you from this, - from this confidentiality agreement, as happened in the Russert case, then it's fair to talk about it and say this is what happened. But - now, it seems to me there's another step here that people often loose. That is when Novak - first Robert Novak first reported the story - "


We are definitely talking about putting people's lives in danger (CIA undercover operatives working in the same sting operation) by leaking the information. I am hopeful that this is good news!


GREAT WORK, EVERYBODY! Took me days to catch up and I am just in awe at all the new info you uncovered while I was away.

[Pallas180]

62. Welcome back DEMINNC - we missed ya.

:hi:

[Wind Dancer]

66. Good to be back, Pallas.

I'm amazed at how much has been accomplished in the last week, I think passing out the "COVER UP OF TREASON" is a fantastic way to spread the word. It's well written and I especially like the format and highlighted red areas.

:toast:

[Pallas180]

68. DEMINNC-Dist22Dem is responsible for that - a wizard !

there's an incredible amount of talented people on these threads



:hi:

[lancdem]

89. Do you think the investigation is in trouble?

I hope not.

[H2O Man]

91. Good question......

Is it likely that the investigation is "in trouble?" Because of the very nature of it .... it could not help but be in trouble. From day one. Now, the following is just my opinion, and other people may feel very differently .... and I think it's an issue that really deserves our attention. I'd love to hear other people's ideas. But what the heck -- I'll start!

Perhaps because of my literal interpretation of the Constitution and the concept of separation of the three federal "powers," I think that when one of the three branches (executive, legislative, and judiciary) has LIKELY broken the law, it is not able to investigate itself. Hence, the founding fathers were very clear .... and, as I have noted before, when either the executive or judiciary branch has violated the public trust, it fall to the legislative branch, meaning congress. And of the two "houses" of congress, the House of Representatives is specifically the one which investigates. And the senate, of course, "tries" some cases, while others are designated for the judiciary. This is the system of checks and balances that very literally is the genius of Jefferson and friends.

The violation in question is extremely serious. And it involves some very complicated issues. For example, we tend to think of "intelligence" agencies as being primarily CI. But that is not accurate at all. There are several other agencies, such as NSA, which combine to dwarf CI. Most Americans have never heard of the majority of these agencies. They are collectively under the Defense Dept.

The historians among us will remember all too well when JFK decided to "reorganize" intel agencies; or even in the 1980s, when democrats were advocating the creation of a position much like what the 9-11 Commission now demands .... and how a specific segment of the extreme right/ military industrial complex/ Texas oil strongly opposed this. And hopefully, people from our group are thinking, "Hey! Wasn't Dick Cheney creating his own intel operation, out of the office of the VP, which not only had NO CONGRESSIONAL OVERSITE, but included UNELECTED people like Newt Gingrich, who favored stopping the federal government to create a crisis in which he could consolidate power, as well as convicted felons, such as Abrams and Poindexter?"

So, after the Attorney General was given enough time to bury as much information as possible, he finally was forced to admit the conflict of interest, and turn the investigation over to an honest man. And while that man is attempting to operate within the law, we know that the judiciary at the federal level has many honest and law-abiding judges, until one reaches the Supreme Court. Because, as the 2000 election showed, 5 of the Supreme Court justices are nothing more than crooks. They are criminals! They ruled in favor of disenfranchising Florida voters who are black, as well as over-turning the clear will of the majority of those who voted from sea to shining sea .... in order to put their business partners into office.

And we know -- as Michael Moore's wonderful film showed so clearly -- that when the conscience of the House of Representatives said "let's investigate this!", not one senator had the decency to support them in their effort to do WHAT THE US CONSTITUTION DEMANDS!!! What better example of the haunting question from the vision of John on the island from the book of revelations: Who will dare to oppose this beast? No one in the senate dared.

So we have a case where certain business interests posed as journalists are willingly violating the federal judge's order, which is based on the current federal law. They are whining about their constitutional rights to "freedom of the press," although anyone who has ever read the constitution knows that the concept they are going on -- confidentiality -- is not in the constitution at all; while it is a valid issue for discussion, they are twisting the truth to cover their sins. Their arguments have nothing to do with protecting the constitution, or good journalism, or the truth. They are simply lying, and planning to bring their lies before the US Supreme Court in order to have five felons in black robes "certify" that it is A-okay to lie when it benefits the criminal element in the executive branch.

The grand jury has enough to indict Libby right now. And enough to indict Abrams. But it needs to have confirmation of a couple key discussions, in order to insure a successful prosecution, and to open the door to indictments of other officials.

The administration has tried to keep that small door securely closed ... because this is a case of a small door that opens to a large office. And we are facing a constitutional crisis, one that the majority of the public is largely unaware of. They know more about Scott Peterson's sex life than about the Plame case. And that is sad, because the Laci Peterson case, while tragic, has nothing to do with their day-to-day life. But the Plame case does. It has a lot to do with everything from the price they pay at the gas pump, to the price they'll pay if Bush retains his unelected office, and sends their children to die in Iraq today and Iran tomorrow. But this administration has always prefered to deal with happy fools than sad wisemen and women, who have figured out what is going on.

That's the start of what I'm thinking this morning. (smile)

[H2O Man]

150. Hello?

Is Carl Sagan out there?

[shraby]

156. Don't we all wish

we lost a great person in Sagan.

[coeur_de_lion]

175. Dear H2O, if Carl Sagan were here, he would say

"I believe that the extraordinary should be pursued. But extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."

So, has this group uncovered evidence extraordinary enough to pursue?

Or are we just uncovering much of what is already known? Out of everything that the fine researchers on this thread have so painstakingly dug up, which claims are extraordinary enough to bear fruit? Which of the claims can be proven in a court of law, and which are valid but cannot be proved?

What are the central issues in the Plame investigation? There are lots of theories, lots of evidence, here. But what among those theories and that evidence is worthy of further pursuit?

I'm just asking. As I have been from thread 1.

* and his band of evil cohorts have slid out of many an accusation. They answer the charges in the Plame investigation by saying (as Goss said) that this is a partisan investigation with no merit. We know differently, but what will we do if they manage to skate through with no charges brought against them? What will we do then?

I am wondering, should we be preparing ourselves for the possibility that NO indictments will come out of any of this? Or will the interest and efforts of the folks on this thread be vindicated?

[H2O Man]

185. 10 Good Questions .....

(1) Yes, definitely.
(2)By definition, the group can only uncover what is already known. By the same definition, you can only uncover that which has been covered up.However, having said that, if you went back to thread #1 on the Plame Indictments, how does the information compare to what has followed? Do you think it is fair to say that much of the valuable information fills out an outline that was laid out in threads #1 and 2?
(3)That Cheney was derailing a sting operation that involved Plame. It is worth remembering that the investigation could be tangental to Plame: for example, there could have been a deep cover agent in the Middle East killed as a result of Plame being exposed.
(4) Libby and Abrams will likely be convicted. Rove will get off. What we know, but may not be able to "prove" concerns Cheney. Yet, like OJ, who is an honorable man compared to Dick Cheney, the legal case will severely tarnish him. Our goal has to be to get bush/cheney out of office first and foremost. Justice follows that.
(5)In my opinion, the criminal behavior of this administration, including exposing Plame; starting the war in Iraq under false pretenses; the selling of WMDs to everyone with $; and fascism in America.
(6)The "Wal-Mart" weapons factory; the threat to constitutional democracy.
(7)It is possible.
(8)We'll cross that bridge if we come to it.
(9)Our actions should be the exact same; preparations should be a search for truth.
(10)Our efforts are already vindicated. We are only responsible for our own efforts. What the grand jury, etc do is their responsibility. We can only try very hard to find, and tell, the truth. The rest is not in our hands.

[coeur_de_lion]

208. thanks for answering my questions

I am not sure that the info I've read on the threads fills out a specific outline. Not knowing the source of some of the info it's hard for me to judge the veracity of it.

I am worried that even though we know Cheney is involved up to his neck in this, people will believe whatever lie he chooses to tell about it. Hence my questions. After all the hard work people put into asking and answering the questions about this case, what if nothing came of it? That would be very sad.

I'll be away for awhile, I hope that by the time I come back there will be some good news.

Take care!

[shraby]

158. Matt Cooper was a pool reporter

in Bush's campaign trail on 5/7/04. I didn't know that.

The Kuhles then led the Bushes back past an open cow barn on the right into a larger barn that contained a tractor and a 50-yard long space that contained maybe 100 cows (Holsteins, according to Matt Cooper's intrepid reporting), arrayed in two pens on either side of a long walkway. The cows were munching feed that had been spread along the edge of the walkway, so that they formed a kind of bovine honor guard for the president as he walked past them. The Bushes and Kuhles walked all the way to the end, where they stopped, framed in a large doorway against a background of rolling fields. They stood chatting there for several moments; I couldn't hear anything of what they said. They then strolled back toward the pool; at one point the president stopped and patted a cow on the head.

<http://www.wonkette.com/archives/wh-pool-report-can-someone-give-me-a-count-on-the-pothole-joke-edition-003965.php>

Also:
Matthew Cooper reports from the electronic cocoon of the president's Asia trip Wednesday, Oct. 22, 2003

<http://www.time.com/time/columnist/cooper/article/0,9565,525400,00.html>

[Pallas180]

51. H20 - nice article but misses the point. NO-ONE is that stupid

to reveal undercover agents and cooperating Al Queda double agents' identities.

Even with a low IQ - no one in the White House could possibly be
that stupid.

We would have to believe Condosleeza Rice is that stupid.
We would have to believe Chicanery Cheney is that stupid.
We would have to believe KaKaKarl Rove is that stupid.
We would have to believe Tom Ridge is that stupid.
We would have to believe every village idiot has left their village
and resides in the White House.

And we don;t believe that for one minute.

[H2O Man]

54. I think the author

agrees with you, that it's too much a stretch to ask that people believe these were innocent errors.

[Pallas180]

46. BWAAAAAA/ ROFL. H20 You mean IMPORTANT dear. tell

your wife for us that you are pretty damn potent!

wahoo.

:toast:

[H2O Man]

47. No, Pallas!

I have four children. I know I'm important. But they all look just like our mailman ...... (grin)

[Pallas180]

44. Hey Slutticus, you're kidding us! What did he say?

wow, yazaaaa, hooooo haaaaa

Those Irish water people sure know how to get a stream going... :bounce:

[Pallas180]

67. Porter Goss does the infamous "flip-flop"

http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20040810-104758-7901r

lots of names here on the intel committee for us to e mail
the article by Hopsicker :


Here's Hopsicker's August article on Atta/Edmonds
http://www.madcowprod.com /

“There are certain points... where you have your drug related activities combined with money laundering and information laundering, converging with your terrorist activities.” Sibel Edmonds, former FBI translator "


which is about drugs and arms in Venice and ask how
could Goss not have known what was going on in his own backyard
since he's so experienced in Intel ? ? ?

That should be pretty embarrassing...and maybe keep him from being
confirmed.

___

Goss to step down as House Intel chairman
By Shaun Waterman
UPI Homeland and National Security Editor
Published 8/10/2004 11:24 PM


WASHINGTON, Aug. 10 (UPI) -- Rep. Porter Goss, R-Fla., nominated by President Bush Tuesday to be the new director of central intelligence, is resigning as chairman of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, United Press International has learned.

In a move designed to placate critics who have questioned his commitment to intelligence reform and promised him a rough ride in confirmation hearings, Goss "has sent a letter tonight to the Speaker (of the House) temporarily resigning his chairmanship, pending his confirmation," an aide who asked not to be named told UPI Tuesday evening.

The move would be effective immediately, said the aide, and Rep. Sherwood Boehlert, R-N.Y., the current vice chairman, would likely preside over a Wednesday hearing -- the second in an unprecedented summer-recess series at which the panel will consider the intelligence reforms proposed by the Sept. 11 Commission.

But congressional observers pointed out that Boehlert already chairs the House Science Committee and that the chamber's bylaws prevent any member from presiding over two full committees. Since Boehlert's immediate successor, Rep. Douglas Bereuter, R-Neb., recently resigned his seat, the chairmanship would normally pass to Rep. Jim Gibbons, R-Nev.

The increasingly heated debate about restructuring the 15 U.S. intelligence agencies collectively referred to as the "intelligence community" is the context both for Goss's sudden resignation and the battle he will likely face over his confirmation.

Since his nomination Tuesday the eight-term lawmaker has faced questions about an apparent conflict of interest because the Intelligence Committee is considering reforms that might enhance or diminish the powers of the post to which he was nominated. The director of central intelligence currently runs the CIA and -- at least notionally -- also manages the other 14 intelligence agencies.

Goss's own legislative proposal for intelligence reform cuts against the grain of other reform plans, including those of the Sept. 11 Commission, all of which would create a new post -- the national intelligence director -- to manage the intelligence community. Goss's bill, by contrast, would give enhanced powers to the existing director to enable him to coordinate the activities of the community more effectively.

Another congressional source confirmed to UPI that Goss had stepped down from the chairmanship to avoid "even the appearance of a conflict. ... He is very sensitive to that," the source said.

Goss's resignation also highlights the difficulties he may face in winning confirmation.

Although Republicans welcomed his nomination and Democrats acknowledged his credentials as a former clandestine CIA officer, lawmakers of both parties warned that he faces a rough ride in Senate confirmation hearings.

But despite charges from President Bush's opponents that his appointment would politicize the director's post and some doubts from intelligence officials that he was the right man for the job, congressional staff from both parties agreed that it would be difficult for Senate Democrats to effectively block Goss's confirmation -- a move that Republicans could paint as obstructing the president's efforts to provide leadership to the CIA during a time of war.

"I'll think there'll be a (confirmation) fight right through that perhaps will last until the election," Rep. Curt Weldon, R-Pa., told UPI.

But he added that no one would be able to question Goss's expertise, pointing not just to his unprecedented seven years as committee chairman but to a decade in the CIA and a stint in Army intelligence.

Instead, Weldon said, the debate would likely "be around his political reputation; (Democrats) will say he's too partisan."

Goss, a member of the moderate Republican Mainstreet organization, recently criticized Democratic presidential contender Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts for his voting record on intelligence funding.

Weldon added that he doubted Goss would continue to oppose the appointment of a new intelligence director now that it had been embraced by the White House. "I think in the end he'll probably defer to what the president wants," he said. "Porter's a team player."

Sen. Pat Roberts, R-Kan., chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee that will hold Goss's confirmation hearing, said in a statement that the nominee was "uniquely qualified in terms of experience and expertise to lead the intelligence community."

But Democratic Vice Chairman Sen. Jay Rockefeller, D-W.Va., said that no politician of either party could be the right candidate under current circumstances. The nominee, he said in a statement, ought to be of "unquestioned capability and independence ... an individual with unimpeachable, non-partisan national-security credentials."

Democrats said their concerns about the politicization of the post were especially acute given what they said was a root cause of the errors intelligence agencies made in suggesting there were stockpiles of biological and chemical weapons in Iraq.

This "massive" failure, said Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich., appeared "to have been the result of the shaping of intelligence reporting by the intelligence community to support the policies of the administration in power."

Levin said that ensuring the intelligence community provided "objective, independently arrived-at ... assessments" to policymakers would "be a major focus for me ... in my assessment of the Goss nomination."

Rep. Jim Turner of Texas, the ranking Democrat on the House Homeland Security Committee, said that there was "a special burden" on Goss "as there is on any member of Congress appointed to the administration to reassure the Senate that his responsibilities will be carried out in a very non-partisan way."

Some Democrats also suggested that Goss's record on the Intelligence Committee was unimpressive and questioned his commitment to reform.

Committee member Silvestre Reyes, D-Texas, told UPI: "It's a matter of record that we have not been doing our job in oversight. The responsibility (for that) rests with the chair." He cited what he said was the committee's failure to aggressively investigate abuses at the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq, the outing of clandestine operator Valerie Plame and the failure of U.S. pre-war intelligence on Iraq.


-more-

[The Doctor.]

64. I'm beginning to see....

These people are not here to run the country, or even really take part. They're merely fixers for the oil companies, possibly even for OPEC itself. By the time these goons are ejected from the WH they will have already achieved their mission with great disregard for how they have left the world to fare.

I can't wait to get a hold of these morons at the Omega.

[Pallas180]

69. Welcome Dr.Eldritch. It looks like it goes beyond that - they seem

to be fixers for themselves - greed - a mafia set-up instead of a
government and leaching off the American citizen and taxpayer to
further their thirst for money and power. Actually it's power at
this point, because they all personally have millions.

And in many ways they seem to be playing god - societal engineering -
import and flood America with drugs and let the weakest succumb...

Foment wars especially in Latin American and African countries causing
thousands or hundreds of thousands of deaths --their version of population control of the "complexioned" peoples.

These are very sick unconscienced people and they are in control of the world...

[Pallas180]

71. Sun Yung Moon's Washington Times (mouthpiece of the *ushits

touting new bin laden video and assassination of a leader to
be followed by attacks"

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N10162470.htm

Since the intel agencies have no news of this, but Sun Yung Moon
does......I assume whoever is going to have an assassination
attempt will be on the enemies list of the administration.

gee, what would make me think that!

______
-snip-

U.S. officials familiar with intelligence reports, speaking on condition of anonymity, disclosed that the assassination plan was among new details of al Qaeda plots and would target a U.S. or foreign leader either in the United States or abroad, according to the newspaper.

Planning for the attacks to follow involves "multiple targets in multiple venues" across the United States, one official was quoted as saying.

"The goal of the next attack is twofold: to damage the U.S. economy and to undermine the U.S. election," the official told the newspaper.

The officials said there are intelligence reports, some of them sketchy, that a new tape from bin Laden would surface soon, the newspaper reported.

"The message likely will be the signal for the attack to be launched," one official said.

A second U.S. official was cited as saying that one intelligence agency was aware of unconfirmed reports of a new bin Laden tape.

"There may be such a tape, but it hasn't surfaced and we haven't seen it," the newspaper quoted the official as saying.

-snip-

more

[burrowowl]

72. Hasn't Bu$h and Company

already done this:

"The goal of the next attack is twofold: to damage the U.S. economy and to undermine the U.S. election," the official told the newspaper.

War has drained coffers and 2000 election was a coup d'etat. Old info ....

[shraby]

74. Strange how those bin Laden

tapes pop up from time to time isn't it? BUT no one seems to know where they come from.

[Pallas180]

75. Now that they closed Al Jazeera - there might not be a warning tape.

another good move by the administration (sarcasm off)

[Pallas180]

77. Niters guys. Tomorrow's another day of discovery of this thing

we call "the boy who would be dictator" adminiastration.

[Pallas180]

112. Shraby - are you insinuating that the tapes are made from a private room

at Walter Reed Hospital in DC?

could they? would they?

yah. they would.

one of the posters on DU has the name

"Nothing shocks me anymore"

appropos

[shraby]

116. What tapes?

Looking back, I see what tapes. I would guess they are made in an "undisclosed location" :evilgrin:

[Pallas180]

118. No Sex, Lies, and videotapes

the tapes of bin laden giving his next threat.

You wondered where they come from

I'm wondering if he isn't a trained seal/dog/in cahoots with MIHOP

[Beam Me Up]

78. Links in Original Post TRUNCATED

Not all of them, but any with a . . . after them. You can't get to the page mentioned via the link and you can't copy-to-clip board to copy and paste into a word document for printing out the full URL, either.

I'm happy to send this to my senators and cogresswoman. I'm happy to put it into an email -- but I need all links to actually work. The original document must have the full links, could it be emailed to me PVT?

TIA

[Pallas180]

203. Sorry BEAM ME UP, maybe ROBERTPAULSEN can fill in the blank

links for you by DU Mail

[shraby]

206. Go to the links on du

click on them, bring up the page then copy/paste the addy into the copy you have on your puter. That way you'll have the full addy.

[H2O Man]

79. Good morning, DU!

"Socrates, we are told, was the most truthful man of his time and yet his features are said to have been the ugliest in Greece. To my mind he was beautiful because he was struggling after truth. ... Truth is the first thing to be sought for, and beauty and goodness will then be added to you." - Gandhi

[H2O Man]

80. Top of the day to ya!

"Jesus was a Jew. He was the finest flower of Judaism. You can see that from the four stories of the four apostles. They had untutored minds. They told the truth about Jesus. Paul was not a Jew, he was a Greek, he had an oratorical mind, a dialectical mind, and he distorted Jesus. Jesus possessed a great force, the love force, but Christianity became disfigured when it went west. It became the religion of kings." -- Gandhi

[coeur_de_lion]

81. John Lennon said of Jesus and the apostles --

"Jesus was all right, but his disciples were thick and ordinary. It's them twisting it that ruins it for me."

[H2O Man]

84. arbustochupa! my friend!

Where ARE you these days? We don't see enough of you around here!

Yes, yes, John said that. It was in his "bitter" stage, of course, and was a part of that infamous little interview when he also noted the Beatles were more popular with young people than was Jesus ..... he was SOOO cheeky!

I think that it is fair to say that John in 1966 +/- was becoming frustrated with the situation of being a "Beatle" .... and of having very real insights, which those around him -- excepting George and Ringo, and to a far lesser extent, Paul -- grasped. I've spoken about what is alive: a bee or the hive? Think of what it must have been like, to be a Beatle in 1965-66, and being on stage, and watching the individual human bees loose their individuality and become part of the "crowd" .... yikes! Ah, John ... one of the great examples of a human being who journeyed to the mountain top. But all roads to wisdom MUST first pass through valleys of doubt .... and that is why John made his "angry young man" statement you quoted, which, while being very accurate, scared the crap out of "adults" at the time!

[coeur_de_lion]

86. Hey there Waterman

I've been overwhelmed with business, family & health stuff recently! Rarely even have time to respond to emails. I am going away tomorrow for my Dad's 75th. Can't wait to pick his brain about all this Plame stuff. Anything you want me to ask him? He has a lot of experience in the intelligence field . . . and some very astute observations about the current political climate.

Yes, John Lennon was very wise, but a very sarcastic man. He was right about what he said of course, but few people were really ready to hear it back then. He mellowed (a little) as he got older. I loved that man. He was wicked smart. We need people like him now more than ever. Huge loss for us when he was killed. BUT, don't they always kill peace activists?

I've been keeping an eye on the developments in the Plame case from a distance. Interesting turn of events in the last week or two, but I'm not sure what to make of it. What do you think? Will the appointment of Goss have an effect on the Plame case? Will Cooper pack it in and fess up? Why is he the last holdout? What information does he have that they can't get any other way?

[RebelYell]

83. "Venezuela Floridated"

Email from Greg Palast:

VENEZUELA FLORIDATED
Tuesday, August 10, 2004

Will The Gang That Fixed Florida Fix the Vote in Caracas this Sunday? by Greg Palast

Hugo Chavez drives George Bush crazy. Maybe it's jealousy: Unlike Mr. Bush, Chavez, in Venezuela, won his Presidency by a majority of the vote.

Or maybe it's the oil: Venezuela sits atop a reserve rivaling Iraq's. And Hugo thinks the US and British oil companies that pump the crude ought to pay more than a 16% royalty to his nation for the stuff. Hey, sixteen percent isn't even acceptable as a tip at a New York diner.

Whatever it is, OUR President has decided that THEIR president has to go. This is none too easy given that Chavez is backed by Venezuela's poor. And the US oil industry, joined with local oligarchs, has made sure a vast majority of Venezuelans remain poor.

Therefore, Chavez is expected to win this coming Sunday's recall vote. That is, if the elections are free and fair.

More here:
http://www.gregpalast.com

[RebelYell]

92. Note from Palast article:

~~~~~~~~

"They won't be. Some months ago, a little birdie faxed to me what appeared to be confidential pages from a contract between John Ashcroft's Justice Department and a company called ChoicePoint, Inc., of Atlanta. The deal is part of the War on Terror.

Justice offered up to $67 million of our taxpayer money to ChoicePoint in a no-bid deal for computer profiles with private information on every citizen of half a dozen nations. The choice of citizens to spy on caught my eye. While the September 11 highjackers came from Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Lebanon and the Arab Emirates, ChoicePoint's menu offered records on Venezuelans, Brazilians, Nicaraguans, Mexicans and Argentines. How odd. Had the CIA uncovered a Latin plot to sneak suicide tango dancers across the border with exploding enchiladas?

What do these nations have in common besides a lack of involvement in the September 11 attacks? Coincidentally, each is in the throes of major electoral contests in which the leading candidates -- presidents Lula Ignacio da Silva of Brazil, Nestor Kirschner of Argentina, Mexico City mayor Andres Lopez Obrador and Venezuela's Chavez -- have the nerve to challenge the globalization demands of George Bush.

The last time ChoicePoint sold voter files to government it was to help Governor Jeb Bush locate and purge felons on Florida voter rolls. Turns out ChoicePoint's felons were merely Democrats guilty only of V,W,B,, Voting While Black. That little 'error' cost Al Gore the White House.

It looks like the Bush Administration is taking the Florida show for a tour south of the border."

!!!!!!!!

[Pallas180]

123. WHO has oversite of the Justice Dept? Judiciary Committee?

Shouldn't they be notified of this unusual expenditure on
South American citizens?

[shraby]

132. I googled Swissco Management

and came up with this:

Enforcement Case Histories: Anatomy of a Successful Investigation

In the summer of 1990, Commerce Department special agents in Dallas received information that a Bell 206 Long Ranger helicopter, owned by a subsidiary of Swissco Management, Inc. in South Florida, was being tested in Texas by the Federal Aviation Administration for "airworthiness" and was then to be exported to a Chilean "arms merchant" named Carlos Cardoen.
Information they received led the Commerce agents to believe the helicopter was a prototype for helicopters that would be modified for military applications and eventually exported to Iraq. The Commerce Export Enforcement (EE) office in Dallas requested that its sister office in Fort Lauderdale assist with the helicopter investigation. Because of the August 1990 Iraqi invasion of Kuwait, the possibility of illegal exports to Iraq, and the connection of the Dallas case with a South Florida company, the Fort Lauderdale EE office initiated a separate investigation to determine if Cardoen or Swissco had made prior illegal exports or would attempt to violate the U.S. embargo of Iraq.

EE in Fort Lauderdale made a detailed analysis of past export records maintained by freight forwarders dealing with Cardoen and Swissco, and requested local forwarders be on the lookout for future exports by Swissco or to Cardoen. They also worked closely with their licensing counterparts in Washington to review all export license applicants related to Swissco and Cardoen. The investigation gave EE reason to believe that over a five year period Teledyne Wah Chang, a division of Teledyne Industries and Swissco had exported over 130 tons of zirconium to Cardoen's bomb plant, Industrias Cardoen, Ltda., in Chile.

Although export license applications showed the zirconium was for use in explosives for "mining operations," witnesses alleged the zirconium was actually used as an incendiary additive in the production of cluster bombs sold to the government of Iraq. Further investigation uncovered copies of Cardoen's cluster bomb production manuals that outlined how the zirconium was used in the manufacture of these munitions. In addition, the head of Swissco's Miami office, a high level official in Cardoen's operations and his international sales and marketing representative, testified at the trial that the end user statements on the license applications submitted to BIS were false and there was no intention of using the zirconium for "mining operations."

(more)

<http://www.bxa.doc.gov/Enforcement/CaseSummaries/CarlosCardoen.html>

[shraby]

134. More on Swissco Management

Bush-Cheney Cabal Names Porter Goss CIA Chief

This is a long-time Bushonian loyalist that stood up and took the heat in 1986 when, thanks to yours truly, Goss’s involvement in the Destin Country Club fraud, Swissco Management fraud, Topsail Development fraud, the Destin Dome fraud, and various other Bush Family frauds was revealed in the Washington Times.

Al Martin, author of "The Conspirators: Secrets of an Iran Contra Insider" writes in his weekly column, published on AlMartinRaw.com (www.almartinraw.com),that the sinister Porter Goss has also sponsored the notorious Patriot II Act known as HR3179, which will authorize the secret arrest of US citizens.

"And who is Porter Goss?" asks Martin. "Porter Goss, (R-FL) is a former CIA agent, who left the CIA under clouded circumstances. He was a field agent, but was actually forced out because of a trail of bodies that got tagged to him, literally, all over the world.

In 1983, Goss was involved in Iran-Contra profiteering with Jeb and Neil Bush and he was exposed, Martin notes, in "his involvement in Neil Bush’s Destin Country Club development fraud – a fraud out of which he made about $3 million illegally. He then became involved with Carlos Cardoen and Swissco Management, and the fraud that Swissco Management committed, not only in Florida, but throughout the United States, in those so-called illicit 'tax-swap deals,' which Senator Bob Graham of Florida also profited in.

(more)

<http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=39&contentid=1340&page=2>

I can't find who was on the board

[Pallas180]

139. dimson family, cia, fl, Harken, Bahrain oil, Swissco and Jeb

THE BUSH FAMILY, FLORIDA, and the AMERICAN CIA... Florida) ===Harken Energy (Bahrain oil development and financial laundry) ===Swissco Management Group ... with his father and the American CIA, Jeb Bush used these ...

www.apfn.net/messageboard/11-17-00/mbs.cgi.5701.html - 14k -


Sherman Skolnick's Report... ==Swissco Management Group. ... Jointly with his father and the American CIA, Jeb Bush used these enterprises as a reputed massive money laundry for illicit funds ...
www.skolnicksreport.com/bushflo.html - 13k - Cached - Similar pages

[Pallas180]

138. Shraby - from your link - penalties for illegal dealing

one American fellow got 42 months in jail plus fines, others not as serious


"Penalties for Violators:
The Export Administration Act (EAA) provides that both criminal penalties and administrative sanctions, including civil monetary penalties and the denial of export privileges, may be imposed for the same violation. In addition, under the EAA and the Export Administration Regulations, the Department of Commerce may deny the export privileges of any person who is convicted of violating certain statues including the EAA, for up to ten years from the date of conviction. Under Commerce denial orders those who provide "dual use" U.S.-origin goods and services to denied parties may find themselves subject to both criminal and civil penalties, including being denied export privileges."

[Pallas180]

141. List of Companies

http://www.laweekly.com/ink/03/23/news-crogan.php

"America's Corporate Merchants of Death in Iraq"
(Swissco is on the list)


Most, though not all, of Iraq’s commerce with American companies ended after the first Gulf War in 1991.

Now the business cycle is starting all over again. Last week, the Bechtel corporation received a U.S. Agency for International Development contract to rebuild Iraq’s infrastructure. The contract, initially worth $34.6 million, could eventually total nearly $700 million over the next 18 months. Perhaps Bechtel’s institutional knowledge was a plus, given its status as a major player in Hussein’s Iraq — during the time when doing business with Hussein was endorsed by U.S. policy. At the very least, Bechtel’s ties to the old regime are not being held against it.

HOW TO NAVIGATE THE LIST: (on edit, you have to go back up to the link on top , open it up and you can click on the link and find out
what kind of materials they sold, etc etc)

Click on a company name or U.S. government agency from the list below to go directly to a description of their acknowledged or documented involvement with Iraq.

Some of these businesses are no longer operating. A number of these companies did not respond to the Weekly’s calls for comment. All who did denied wrongdoing, even when they confirmed their exports to Iraq. Some companies have since changed hands, and representatives of the new businesses said they had no information on exports by the old firms. Nearly all of the documentation for this list comes from official sources, investigations and multiple interviews with authoritative sources. Some of the source material is presented at the end of the entire list.


Index of American Companies (and international companies with U.S. affiliates):


AT&T
AL HADDAD ENTERPRISES, INC.
ALCOLAC INTERNATIONAL
AMERICAN TYPE CULTURE COLLECTION
ASSOCIATED INSTRUMENTS DISTRIBUTORS, INC.
AXEL ELECTRONICS
BANCA NAZIONALE DEL LAVORO
BECHTEL GROUP
BREEZEVALE, INC.
CANBERRA INDUSTRIES
CARL SCHENCK AG
CARL ZEISS
CATERPILLAR, INC.
COMTEC INTERNATIONAL, INC.
CONSARC
COPELAND INTERNATIONAL, INC.
DATA GENERAL CORP
DEKTOR COUNTERINTELLIGENCE AND SECURITY, INC.
DOW CHEMICAL
DRESSER CONSTRUCTION AND EQUIPMENT
DUPONT
E G & G PRINCETON APPLIED RESEARCH
EASTMAN KODAK CO.
ELECTRONICS ASSOCIATES, INC.
ENTRADE INTERNATIONAL, LTD.
EVAPCO
FINNIGAN MAT US
FOXBORO COMPANY
GERBER SYSTEMS TECHNOLOGY
GORMAN-RUPP
HARDINGE BROTHERS
HEWLETT-PACKARD
HIPOTRONICS
HONEYWELL
HUGHES HELICOPTER
IBM
INTERNATIONAL IMAGING SYSTEMS
INTERNATIONAL SIGNAL AND CONTROL
IONICS
KENNAMETAL, INC.
LEYBOLD VACUUM SYSTEMS
LINCOLN ELECTRIC CO.
LITTON INDUSTRIES
LUMMUS CREST, INC.
MBB HELICOPTER CORP.
MACK TRUCKS, INC.
MAHO AG
MATRIX CHURCHILL CORP.
McNEIL AKRON, INC.
MEMPHIS INTERNATIONAL, INC.
MILLER ELECTRIC
MOUSE MASTER
NCR CORPORATION
NRM CORP.
NORWALK CO.
NU KRAFT MERCANTILE CORP.
PERKIN-ELMER CORP.
PHILLIPS EXPORT
POSI SEAL, INC.
PRESRAY CORP.
PURE AIRE
REDLAKE IMAGING CORP.
REXON TECHNOLOGY CORP.
ROCKWELL INTERNATIONAL CORP.
ROTEC INDUSTRIES, INC.
SACKMAN ASSOCIATES
SCIENTIFIC ATLANTA
SCIENTIFIC DESIGN CO., INC.
SEMETEX
SERVAAS, INC.
SIEMENS CORP.
SIP CORP.
SPECTRAL DATA CORP.
SPECTRA PHYSICS
SPERRY CORP.
SULLAIRE CORP.
SWISSCO MANAGEMENT GROUP, INC.
TECHNICAL COMMUNICATIONS CORP.
TEKTRONIX
TELEDYNE WAH CHANG
THERMO JARRELL ASH CORP.
TI COATING
TRADING AND INVESTMENT CORP.
UNION CARBIDE
UNISYS CORP.
VEECO INSTRUMENTS, INC.
WILD MAGNAVOX SATELLITE SURVEY
WILTRON
XYZ OPTIONS, INC.
YORK INTERNATIONAL CORP.
ZETA LABORATORIES
Index of U.S. Government Agencies:

CENTERS FOR DISEASE CONTROL AND PREVENTION
CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE AGENCY
DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE
DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE
DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE
DEPARTMENT OF STATE
NATIONAL SECURITY COUNCIL
U.S. NUCLEAR WEAPONS LABORATORIES

[Pallas180]

144. If you click on the Center for Disease Control which shipped to Iraq

you'll find that this darling US govt shipped things to Iraq like
West Nile Virus (not man made huh?) and various other viruses and bacterias....you have to go back to my previous post and click on that link in order to be able to click on all of these with further info:

APRIL 25 - MAY 1, 2003

Made in the USA, Part III: US Government Agency Listings
by Jim Crogan



CENTERS FOR DISEASE CONTROL AND PREVENTION

(Atlanta, Georgia)

1984 to 1993 — The CDC shipped a number of "viruses, retroviruses, bacteria and fungi" to Iraq from "October 1, 1984 thru October 13, 1993," stated then-CDC director David Satcher in a 1995 letter to the Senate Committee on Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs. According to Satcher, CDC’s shipments to Iraq continued two years after the first Gulf War. However, he included no information regarding the post–Gulf War I shipments. The pre-war shipments included:

1985 — Three shipments of West Nile virus, two shipments of dengue-fever virus, one shipment of Yersinia pestis (non-virulent plague bacteria), one shipment of Bhania virus, one shipment of Hazara virus, one shipment of Kemerovo virus, one shipment of Langat virus, one shipment of Sandfly Fever/Naples virus, one shipment of Sandfly Fever/Sicilian virus, one shipment of Sindbis virus, one shipment of Tahyna virus, one shipment of Thogoto virus, five plague-infected mouse-tissue smears and a variety of antigens and antibodies.

1985 — Three yeast cultures of candida

1985 — Eight vials of antigens (substances that stimulate the production of antibodies) as well as antibodies for ricketts and typhus

1986 — Two vials of non-infectious botulinum toxoid

1988 — A variety of teaching supplies and CDC procedures manuals

1989 — A variety of enterococcus bacteria and one shipment of streptococcus bacteria

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CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE AGENCY

(Langley, Virginia)

1982 — President Ronald Reagan signed a National Security Council directive ordering the agency to provide Iraq with intelligence-information advice and hardware. The order was enthusiastically carried out by then-CIA Director William Casey (see Bechtel), who supported the sale of cluster bombs to Iraq. CIA also assisted in the sale of non-U.S. weapons, ammunition and vehicles to Iraq.

1984 — Agency secretly provided Iraq with instructions on how to calibrate its mustard-gas attacks on Iranian troops.

1986 — Agency authorized secret study documenting Iraqi use of chemical weapons.

1988 — CIA Director William Webster acknowledged to Congress that Iraq was the largest producer of chemical weapons in the worl.

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DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE

(Washington, D.C.)

1983 to 1990 — Extended billions of dollars worth of loan guarantees to Iraq through the Agriculture Department’s Commodity Credit Corporation. Iraq used some of these funds to buy material, equipment and technology for its chemical-weapons and ballistic-missile programs. After Iraq defaulted on some its loan obligations, the federal government agreed, in 1995, to pay $400 million to BNL (an Italian bank) to settle claims. Iraq is liable for reimbursing the U.S. treasury, but repayment is considered unlikely.

1992 — An Agriculture Department employee shredded documents describing department’s role in obtaining $5.5 billion in U.S. taxpayer-guaranteed loans to Iraq through BNL, an Italian bank. The shredding was witnessed by a Justice Department paralegal.

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DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE

(Washington, D.C.)

1985 to 1990 — Approved $1.5 billion worth of export licenses for shipments of goods with both military and civilian applications to Iraq. According to an Inspector General’s report, Commerce officials later tampered with export records to disguise shipments of equipment and technology used by the Iraqi military. Five records alterations pertained to the proposed shipment of more than $1 billion in trucks originally described as "designed for military use."

1988 — Department approved shipments of equipment to upgrade Iraq’s Scud-missile program.

1992 — Commerce Department inspector general admitted to Congress that department officials altered 66 export licenses for Iraq.

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DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE

(Arlington, Virginia)

1982 — President Ronald Reagan ordered department to provide Iraq with intelligence information, advice and hardware.

1983 — Private citizen Donald Rumsfeld (currently the secretary of defense) was dispatched to Iraq as the personal envoy of President Reagan. Met with Saddam Hussein and pledged support for regime. Rumsfeld’s trip occurred as U.S. was receiving reports of chemical-weapons use by Iraq. Rumsfeld also carried with him a secret offer of help to Iraq from then-Israeli Foreign Minister Yitzhak Shamir.

During both the Reagan administration and the first Bush administration (prior to the invasion of Kuwait), the department supported export licenses transferring weapons technology and weapons materials to Iraq.

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DEPARTMENT OF STATE

(Washington, D.C.)

1982 — Department removed Iraq from list of countries sponsoring terrorism.

1983 — Reagan Secretary of State George Shultz (See Bechtel) successfully lobbied Commerce Department to approve sale of helicopters to Iraq. State Department begins receiving reports of chemical-weapons use by Iraqi military.

1984 — Schultz persuaded Representative Howard Berman (D–Los Angeles) to drop his bill returning Iraq to list of countries sponsoring terrorism.

1984 — Diplomatic relations reestablished with Iraq.

1986 — Reagan sent secret message to Saddam Hussein, advising him to step up his air war on Iran. Message delivered to Hussein through Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak by Vice President George Bush.

1988 — At the U.N., Schultz downplayed Iraq’s use of chemical weapons on Kurds.

1989 — Department supplied visas for three Iraqi nuclear scientists to attend an international detonation conference in Portland, Oregon. This conference discussed nuclear-weapons technology and flyer-plate technology used to control the force and shape of implosive shock waves.

1989 — Secretary of State James Baker received memo informing him that Iraq was aggressively developing chemical-, biological- and new missile-weapons programs.

1990 — Bush administration approved $4.8 million in sales of advanced technology to Iraq’s Ministry of Industry and Military Industrialization. MIMI was responsible for Iraq’s nuclear-, missile and chemical-weapons program.

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NATIONAL SECURITY COUNCIL

(Washington, D.C.)

1983 to 1989 — During this period, the NSC, usually with the State Department, successfully lobbied the Commerce Department to approve sales to Iraq of military-related items and items with dual military and civilian use, such as heavy trucks, to Iraq.

1983 — Successfully lobbied the Commerce Department to approve the sale of 10 "civilian" Bell helicopters to Iraq in 1983. The helicopters were eventually modified and used in 1988 to spray poison gas on Iranians and possibly the Kurds.

1989 — President George Bush signed NSC Directive 26, which established closer ties to Baghdad and provided $1 billion in agricultural loans.

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U.S. NUCLEAR WEAPONS LABORATORIES:

LAWRENCE LIVERMORE (University of California, Livermore, California)

LOS ALAMOS (University of California, Los Alamos, California)

SANDIA (Sandia National Laboratories are government-owned but operated under contract by Lockheed Martin, which is based in Fort Worth, Texas)

U.S. DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY (Washington, D.C.)

U.S. DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE (Washington, D.C.)

1989, California — These three labs in conjunction with the U.S. Departments of Energy and Defense organized a quadrennial international detonation conference in Portland, Oregon. There, representatives from these nuclear labs presented information on nuclear-weapons-detonation technology and flyer-plate technology used to control the force and shape of implosive shock waves. Three Iraqi nuclear scientists attended this conference from the Al Qaqaa State Establishment. Al Qaqaa supplied bomb parts for Iraq’s nuclear-weapons testing.

[shraby]

145. Wonder who we'd find

on the boards of most of these companies? Anyone want to google them?

[shraby]

140. From the management list of Choice Point:

David W. Davis
Corporate Secretary and Vice President, Government Affairs (Choice Point)

David W. Davis has served as Corporate Secretary and Vice President, Government Affairs since December 2003. He served as Staff Director and Policy Director of the Office of the Vice Chair of the Senate Republican Conference from January 2003 to December 2003 and from 2001 to January 2003 he served as Chief of Staff and Legislative Director for the Office of Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison. From 1994 to 2001 Mr. Davis served as Military Legislative Assistant and Deputy Chief of Staff for Senator Hutchison.


(now I wonder why more Democrats than Republicans were on the felonies list??)

[shraby]

143. Insider Transactions

Board of Choice Point:

Chairman and Chief Executive Officer
Derek V. Smith

President and Chief Operating Officer (COO) and Director
Doug C. Curling

Executive Vice President
David T. Lee

Chief Financial Officer
Steven W. Surbaugh

General Counsel
J. Michael de Janes

Corporate Secretary and Vice President, Government Affairs
David W. Davis

Treasurer and Corporate Controller
David E. Trine
<http://www.choicepoint.com/about/senior.html#dvs>
-------------------------------------

INSIDER & RULE 144 TRANSACTIONS REPORTED - LAST TWO YEARS
Date Insider Shares Transaction Value*
27-Jul-04 CURLING, DOUGLAS C. C/F ASHLEY M. CURLING AMULGA
750 Planned Sale $30,8701
27-Jul-04 CURLING, DOUGLAS C.
President 750 Sale at $41.16 per share. $30,869
27-Jul-04 CURLING, DOUGLAS C.
President 750 Sale at $41.16 per share. $30,869
23-Jun-04 DENNY, JAMES M.
Director 7,300 Disposition (Non Open Market) at $45.62 per share. $333,026
23-Jun-04 DENNY, JAMES M.
Director 8,965 Disposition (Non Open Market) at $45.62 per share. $408,983
23-Jun-04 DENNY, JAMES M.
Director 8,965 Acquisition (Non Open Market) at $45.62 per share. $408,983
21-Jun-04 DENNY, JAMES M.
Director 7,300 Disposition (Non Open Market) at $44.85 per share. $327,405
21-Jun-04 DENNY, JAMES M.
Director 7,300 Acquisition (Non Open Market) at $44.85 per share. $327,405
25-May-04 DENNY, JAMES M.
Director 7,735 Sale at $43.51 per share. $336,549
25-May-04 DENNY, JAMES M.
Director 24,000 Option Exercise at $13.7032 - $14.25 per share. $335,0002
25-May-04 LEE, DAVID T.
Executive Vice President 61,684 Sale at $43.8023 per share. $2,701,901
25-May-04 LEE, DAVID T.
Executive Vice President 12,684 Option Exercise at $3.6177 per share. $45,886
28-Apr-04 DE JANES, MICHAEL.
18,500 Planned Sale $816,0131
28-Apr-04 DE JANES, J. MICHAEL
General Counsel 9,888 Option Exercise at $3.617 per share. $35,764
28-Apr-04 DE JANES, J. MICHAEL
General Counsel 18,588 Sale at $43.90 per share. $816,013
17-Mar-04 LANGONE, KENNETH G.
Director 1,165 Acquisition (Non Open Market) N/A
11-Mar-04 SURBAUGH, STEVEN W.
Chief Financial Officer 27 Purchase at $37.61 per share. $1,015
26-Feb-04 SMITH, DEREK V.
Chairman 37,917 Disposition (Non Open Market) N/A
26-Feb-04 SMITH, DEREK V.
Chairman 18,959 Acquisition (Non Open Market) N/A
26-Feb-04 SMITH, DEREK V.
Chairman 18,958 Acquisition (Non Open Market) N/A
2-Feb-04 LEE, DAVID T.
Executive Vice President 15,000 Acquisition (Non Open Market) at $38.50 per share. $577,500
2-Feb-04 SURBAUGH, STEVEN W.
Chief Financial Officer 10,000 Acquisition (Non Open Market) at $38.50 per share. $385,000
2-Feb-04 DE JANES, J. MICHAEL
Officer 5,000 Acquisition (Non Open Market) at $38.50 per share. $192,500
2-Feb-04 TRINE, DAVID E.
Treasurer 345 Acquisition (Non Open Market) N/A
2-Feb-04 TRINE, DAVID E.
Treasurer 3,000 Acquisition (Non Open Market) at $38.50 per share. $115,500
1-Feb-04 SMITH, DEREK V.
Chairman 2,596 Disposition (Non Open Market) at $38.50 per share. $99,946
1-Feb-04 CURLING, DOUGLAS C.
President 1,335 Disposition (Non Open Market) at $38.50 per share. $51,397
28-Jan-04 MCCOY, JOHN B.
Director 3,000 Purchase at $38.60 per share. $115,800
31-Dec-03 LEE, DAVID T.
Executive Vice President 643 Acquisition (Non Open Market) N/A
31-Dec-03 SURBAUGH, STEVEN W.
Chief Financial Officer 220 Acquisition (Non Open Market) N/A
31-Dec-03 DE JANES, J. MICHAEL
Officer 655 Acquisition (Non Open Market) N/A
31-Dec-03 SMITH, DEREK V.
Chairman 496 Acquisition (Non Open Market) N/A
31-Dec-03 DE JANES, MICHAEL.
4,038 Planned Sale $154,8651
31-Dec-03 CURLING, DOUGLAS C.
President 631 Acquisition (Non Open Market) N/A
31-Dec-03 DE JANES, J. MICHAEL
Officer 4,038 Sale at $38.24 - $38.45 per share. $155,0002
22-Dec-03 CURLING, DOUGLAS C.
President 5,000 Disposition (Non Open Market) at $37.72 per share. $188,600
22-Dec-03 CURLING, DOUGLAS C.
President 5,000 Acquisition (Non Open Market) at $37.72 per share. $188,600
22-Dec-03 TRINE, DAVID E.
Treasurer 11,955 Sale at $37.3164 per share. $446,117
22-Dec-03 TRINE, DAVID E.
Treasurer 166 Disposition (Non Open Market) at $37.28 per share. $6,188
22-Dec-03 TRINE, DAVID E.
Treasurer 13,668 Option Exercise at $3.0964 - $4.7077 per share. N/A
19-Dec-03 CURLING, DOUGLAS C.
President 5,253 Option Exercise at $19.0313 per share. $99,971
19-Dec-03 CURLING, DOUGLAS C.
President 4,138 Disposition (Non Open Market) at $37.89 per share. $156,788
19-Dec-03 CURLING, DOUGLAS C.
President 450 Acquisition (Non Open Market) at $37.89 per share. $17,050
19-Dec-03 CURLING, DOUGLAS C.
President 1,050 Acquisition (Non Open Market) at $37.89 per share. $39,784
19-Dec-03 SMITH, DEREK V.
Chairman 2,638 Disposition (Non Open Market) at $37.89 per share. $99,953
19-Dec-03 SMITH, DEREK V.
Chairman 5,253 Option Exercise at $19.0313 per share. $99,971
19-Dec-03 LEE, DAVID T.
Executive Vice President 397 Disposition (Non Open Market) at $37.89 per share. $15,042
19-Dec-03 LEE, DAVID T.
Executive Vice President 3,200 Option Exercise at $4.71 per share. $15,072
11-Dec-03 MARCUS, BERNARD
Director 11,400 Acquisition (Non Open Market) N/A
1-Aug-03 SURBAUGH, STEVEN W.
Chief Financial Officer 12,500 Acquisition (Non Open Market) N/A
11-Jun-03 BARON, RONALD
Beneficial Owner (10% or more) 9,413 Purchase at $33.325 - $33.5 per share. $315,0002
10-Jun-03 BARON, RONALD
Beneficial Owner (10% or more) 2,852 Purchase at $33.39 per share. $95,228
14-May-03 BARON, RONALD
Beneficial Owner (10% or more) 1,997 Purchase at $32.4791 per share. $64,860
6-May-03 BARON, RONALD
Beneficial Owner (10% or more) 2,852 Purchase at $34.22 per share. $97,595
2-May-03 DE JANES, J. MICHAEL
Director 10,684 Planned Sale $379,2821
2-May-03 LEE, DAVID T.
Executive Vice President 19,780 Option Exercise at $3.0975 per share. $61,268
2-May-03 LEE, DAVID T.
Executive Vice President 24,453 Sale at $35 - $35.08 per share. $857,0002
2-May-03 DE JANES, J. MICHAEL
Secretary 10,684 Sale at $35.50 per share. $379,282
2-May-03 LEE, DAVID T.
Director 24,453 Planned Sale $855,8551
11-Mar-03 BARON, RONALD
Beneficial Owner (10% or more) 2,825 Purchase at $29.758 per share. $84,066
10-Feb-03 LEE, DAVID T.
Executive Vice President 10,000 Acquisition (Non Open Market) N/A
10-Feb-03 SURBAUGH, STEVEN W.
Chief Financial Officer 5,000 Acquisition (Non Open Market) N/A
10-Feb-03 TRINE, DAVID E.
Treasurer 5,000 Acquisition (Non Open Market) N/A
3-Feb-03 SMITH, DEREK V.
Chairman 2,756 Disposition (Non Open Market) at $36.17 per share. $99,684
23-Jan-03 BARON, RONALD
Beneficial Owner (10% or more) 16,387 Purchase at $37.349 per share. $612,038
31-Dec-02 LEE, DAVID T.
Executive Vice President 651 Acquisition (Non Open Market) N/A
31-Dec-02 TRINE, DAVID E.
Treasurer 468 Acquisition (Non Open Market) N/A
26-Dec-023 SMITH, DEREK V.
Chairman 88,700 Option Exercise at $3.615 per share. $320,650
24-Dec-02 SMITH, DEREK V.
Chairman 88,700 Sale at $38.75 - $38.822 per share. $3,440,0002
23-Dec-02 DE JANES, J. MICHAEL
Secretary 14,192 Option Exercise at $3.817 - $4.71 per share. N/A
23-Dec-02 CURLING, DOUGLAS C.
President 7,092 Option Exercise at $9.89 per share. $70,139
23-Dec-02 CURLING, DOUGLAS C.
President 7,092 Sale at $38.098 per share. $270,191
20-Dec-02 SMITH, DEREK V.
Chairman 100,000 Disposition (Non Open Market) N/A
19-Dec-02 DE JANES, J. MICHAEL
Secretary 469 Acquisition (Non Open Market) N/A
19-Dec-02 CURLING, DOUGLAS C.
President 5,000 Acquisition (Non Open Market) N/A
17-Dec-02 SMITH, DEREK V.
Chairman 123,584 Option Exercise at $3.097 - $10.937 per share. N/A
17-Dec-02 SMITH, DEREK V.
Chairman 2,598 Disposition (Non Open Market) at $38.49 per share. $99,997
17-Dec-02 SMITH, DEREK V.
Chairman 552 Acquisition (Non Open Market) N/A
17-Dec-02 SMITH, DEREK V.
Chairman 114,444 Sale at $38.759 per share. $4,435,734
17-Dec-02 CURLING, DOUGLAS C.
President 100,000 Option Exercise at $9.887 - $10.935 per share. $1,041,0002
17-Dec-02 CURLING, DOUGLAS C.
President 318 Acquisition (Non Open Market) N/A
17-Dec-02 CURLING, DOUGLAS C.
President 100,000 Sale at $38.277 - $39.006 per share. $3,864,0002
17-Dec-02 CURLING, DOUGLAS C.
President 277,092 Planned Sale $10,806,5881
17-Dec-02 SMITH, DEREK
Chairman 203,144 Planned Sale $8,014,0301
12-Dec-023 LANGONE, KENNETH G.
Director 100,000 Disposition (Non Open Market) N/A
4-Nov-02 BARON, RONALD
Beneficial Owner (10% or more) 927 Sale at $37.212 per share. $34,495
24-Sep-02 SMITH, DEREK V.
Chairman 1,343 Disposition (Non Open Market) at $37.24 per share. $50,013

<http://finance.yahoo.com/q/it?s=cps>

Isn't insider trading illegal?

[Pallas180]

146. Texas. Hutchison is Texas. Texas exports merd.

[shraby]

157. What is merd. ?

[Pallas180]

166. The French word for -poo--poo, doo-doo, inaotherwords, Texas

exports sh_t like dimson.

[LeftHander]

87. Super Investigation!

I knew that given time and some good theories to work out much of the details could be found on the internet. As people started asking WHY would Cheney out Plame the theroies started coming and then the pieces start to fall into place.

Given the power, money, greed and connections that men like Cheney and Rumsfeld have it really should be shown how crooked they really are.

The big problem is that the depth that this whole mess goes could literally destroy this country.

To find out our corporations and military industrial complex created the environment of war purposefully would mean $$$ would stop flowing into the pockets of the ultra-rich (that includes Senators and Reps) Hundreds of thousands of jobs would be lost and the world would collectivly group against us.

We could effectivly be thrown into a depression that drags the world with us. Maybe it should happen...it would balance the world and shift energies from creating destcruction to building a world the preserves and protects humanity. Rather then to create division, conflict, death and destruction we could use our ingenuity to create new ways of living that lessen the impact on our planet and balance out the haves from the have nots. The problem is that we ALL have too much. And many have so little in the world. We would all have to sacrifice much. I suppose that is what Bush's "New World Order" was to be. Except for the part that has a small ruling wealth class that has everything and everyone else struggles to survive. He couldn't take that out.

The terrorist we find out were indeed products of our own greed and lust for power. Trading banned weapons technology on the black market is reprehensible but to then profit from the invasion and reconstruction is just pure......evil.

posted the entire Judas piece on my blog. Again great work. I am sure that it will be a influential piece that is being digested right now by jouralists around the globe.

[Pallas180]

LEFTHANDER - thanks for putting American Judas on your blog

and wherever else you think it might grab.

"jobs would be lost and the world would collectivly group against us."

Lefty - the world knows. And is collectively grouped against dimson
and this administration plan for "empire."

"we ALL have too much."

Yes, I agree, and I have often thought if we just all stop buying, STOP BUYING - the corporations would begin to lose money AND power. We and our American dollars are what gives them power.

They would then see the power of the people. WE feed them. They
manufacture in places where they pay people 25 or 50 cents a day and
bring the product here for us to buy at $180 when it cost them $3.00

And by not buying any more we could put
THEM out of business. Why do you think dimson kept saying, keep flying, keep buying.....

[LeftHander]

95. I reduced consuming....but still

Both my wife and I realized we were consuming american hogs when we were in the money for a few years. It is sooo easy. Now we support local business. Avoid chains stores. NEVER go to WalMart, Starbucks, rarely eat fast food. Drive gas friendly cars and try to find ways to get by without driving.

TV is drifting into oblivion. We watch movies...and something very novel in American society...READ and PAINT and play music...

You are so right The key to bringing down the corporation is to stop buying CRAP just to have it....

so much still to do in life to live lighter, cheaper, cleaner.

[Pallas180]

90. LEFTHANDER - thanks for putting American Judas on your blog

and wherever else you think it might grab.

"jobs would be lost and the world would collectivly group against us."

Lefty - the world knows. And is collectively grouped against dimson
and this administration plan for "empire."

"we ALL have too much."

Yes, I agree, and I have often thought if we just all stop buying, STOP BUYING - the corporations would begin to lose money AND power. We and our American dollars are what gives them power.

They would then see the power of the people. WE feed them. They
manufacture in places where they pay people 25 or 50 cents a day and
bring the product here for us to buy at $180 when it cost them $3.00

And by not buying any more we could put
THEM out of business. Why do you think dimson kept saying, keep flying, keep buying.....

[NewJeffCT]

88. Aaron Brown with Bruce Fein & another attorney

Last night, Fein & the other attorney (who is defending the Time reporter) were on CNN with Aaron Brown to discuss the Plame outing & how it related to the 1st amendment with freedom of the press. Some good back & forth between the two attornies, but the one defending the Time reporter says the chance of any indictments related to this is miniscule.

[PfcHammer]

93. Very, very, very early stages of Plame diagram

http://s93118771.onlinehome.us/DU/Plame/PlameFlowchart.htm

I will be working on it & learning the software as time permits.

[RebelYell]

94. WoW!

Absolutely astounding!

One suggestion - copyright it by adding the copyright symbol, then Klever Kittie, then 2004. We definitely want you to have credit for your time and effort.

:toast:

[PfcHammer]

211. I agree.

I'll stamp it or claim ownership in some way. I would hate to one morning see a corrupted version on NewsMax with all the arrows pointing to Dems !

[Me.]

97. It Just Keeps Getting Better & Better

around here. That is REALLY wonderful.

[PfcHammer]

212. It's just a start, but

I hope to have something really presentable at some point, though.

[robertpaulsen]

100. KleverKittie, this is excellent work!

Just off the top of my head, I'd have to say you've got all the pieces we have so far mapped out. I know Shraby and others here are working on more of the Pakistani/Saudi puzzle, but what we know so far is all there!

Great job!

[PfcHammer]

213. Once I complete your original outline

I'll go back and add the new material. I think the most
work will be creating a figure from scratch. Adding new
info should be less laborious. Thanks.

[Pallas180]

228. Klever Kit-What you are doing is so Fantastically Important for all those

who couldn't read or understand 18 threads of research.

for all those people who can't see the dots

it's connect the dots.

As a matter of fact, when you're satisfied its showing all the nasty cnnections that need to be shown,


it really should get a separate thread in addition to being on Plame!

Too bad we wont have photos of the jaws dropping open ! :)

[Gregorian]

128. That's really impressive.

Even thought I am barely on the fringes of grasping the full picture, I want to thank you for your efforts. I appreciate all of the work you and the rest have done. I guess that's what it takes when unravelling a trainwreck like this one.

[shraby]

137. Just get the word out to

your contacts.

[PfcHammer]

215. Thanks.

Trainwreck indeed. With many casualties along the way.

[Pallas180]

129. KLEVER KIT - beginning to look pretty amazing - do you

think instead of dimson Administration the top could be changed
to Pappy Family..(this mess goes back to the 80's and before..and a circle under that to Carlyle, which will be
a whole nother lot of fun, Carlyle, Pappy to CIA / Carlyle to -United Munitions to Iraq War, John Major, Carlucci-CIA, to Baker III in Carlyle/ Pappy and Carlyle to Saudi Arabia....

Pappy has a line to China and W88

then there's a line from Pappy to Iran Contra, Abrams, Poindexter,
Oliver North....and whoever else was in office then

Halliburton has a line to Burma, Libya, Iraq, Iran. Pakistan and god knows where else

Iraq has a line to circles of oil companies English and American with contracts for their oil (which Saddamm reneged on, thus the war)

Graham should really be changed to Goss(CIA Pappy goes to Goss) with a direct line to ISI chief who they met with morning of Sept 11

There should be one great big circle 9 11, with off shoots to ISI
chief, Goss, tenet,

No it sure ain't easy, but you're doing a great job on an interwoven
puzzle with too many pieces.


What a web.

Amazing program!!! AND THANK YOU.

:toast:

[PfcHammer]

217. I hear ya ! None of this is etched in stone.

I just need something to work with as a start. As
you know, there is simply too much poop for a person to
wrap his brain around. As time goes, on I'll incorporate
your suggestions and probably span the diagram over many
pages so it's readable and not so busy. Thanks.

[RebelYell]

119. Goss is a Skull and Boner

Article is second one down - See Update at bottom

SKULL AND BONERS
Some Conspiracy theorists have made much of the fact that both John Kerry <1966> and George Bush <1968> were members of the Yale secret society Skull and Bones. But that doesn't do justice to the very different experiences they had, and different ways they related to it, according to an article in this months Vanity Fair, by Alexandra Robbins who's a close to an expert as any outsider can be.

According to Robbins, Kerry bonded closely with other members and often "steered conversations to Viet Nam and politics" and "remains very close with the guys". When his best friend from the Bones, Dick Pershing, was killed in Viet Nam, Kerry wrote to his parents 'that "Pershing was so much a part of my life at the irreplaceable, incomparable moments of love,concern, anger, and compassion exchanged in Bones that could never be replaced.'" So based on that, you would expect that Kerry has hired more Bonesmen to his various campaigns, advisories and offices, right?

Wrong. George Bush has hired 9 Bonesmen, plus one more who turned down an appointment for health reasons. According to the article, Kerry only used Bonesmen he knew before they were "tapped". " considers Skull and Bones a... source of lasting friendships - but no more than that." In fact, in his famous antiwar testimony, Kerry "railed against fellow Bonesman McGeorge Bundy" who was high in the Johnson Administration.

Perhaps because of that privacy, Kerry's fellow Bonesmen fiercely protect his own, not revealing his Bones name even to this day. These names like McGeorge Bundy's "Odin," Averill Harriman's "Thor" and Henry Luce's "Baal," tend to be dramatic. George W's name? "Temporary" - because he couldn't think of a name for the initiation ceremony, and never did.

UPDATE (8/10) Porter Goss (R-FL) (Yale '60) , Bush's new nominee for DCIA is a Boneser.

http://www.cosmiciguana.com/archives/2004_06.html

[Pallas180]

131. REB - you didn't miss this did you?

FUTURE CIA CHIEF SPREAD DISINFORMATION
Which I guess qualifies him for the job in Bush's eyes. Porter Goss (R-FL) is Bush's leading candidate to replace George Tenet:

In the film , Goss is shown discussing the Patriot Act. He mentions that Americans with concerns about U.S. intelligence can call an 800 number. Moore informs viewers there is no such number and displays the number for Goss’ office across the street from the U.S. Capitol. “We’re getting hundreds of calls,” said spokeswoman Julie Almacy.... <*>His number is [phone] in case you want to join in the fun.

[RebelYell]

136. Goss was in F9/11

Moore didn't give the whole story about Goss - there isn't an 800 number for questions about the Patriot act, it's a toll free number with the area code for DC. Moore intentionally confused the issue.

[robertpaulsen]

262. Goss told Michael Moore he isn't qualified to run the CIA!

This is a scene from Fahrenheit 9/11 that hit the cutting room floor. Maybe Moore will put it on the DVD special features.

Filmmaker Moore Quotes Goss on Lack of CIA Credentials

By David Morgan
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. Congressman Porter Goss, President Bush's nominee for CIA director, could be his own worst enemy when it comes to making the case that he deserves to lead the U.S. intelligence agency.

"I couldn't get a job with CIA today. I am not qualified," the Florida Republican told documentary-maker Michael Moore's production company during the filming of the anti-Bush movie "Fahrenheit 9/11."

A day after Bush picked Goss for the top U.S. spy job, Moore on Wednesday released an excerpt from a March 3 interview in which the 65-year-old former House of Representatives intelligence chief recounts his lack of qualifications for employment as a modern CIA staffer.

"I don't have the language skills. I, you know, my language skills were romance languages and stuff. We're looking for Arabists today. I don't have the cultural background probably," Goss is quoted in an interview transcript.

"And I certainly don't have the technical skills, uh, as my children remind me every day: 'Dad you got to get better on your computer.' Uh, so, the things that you need to have, I don't have."

Goss, who served with the CIA clandestine services in Latin America and Europe in the 1960s, was not immediately available for comment.

He appears in Moore's film, the most financially successful documentary in history, during a segment devoted to the USA Patriot Act, an anti-terrorism measure.

Moore told Reuters that Goss, who until Tuesday was chairman of the House of Representatives Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, granted an interview to two of his producers without first checking to see who they worked for.

"You'd think the person who was the head of the intelligence committee would ask a few more questions," said Moore.

"The reality is that Porter Goss was in charge of the oversight of the CIA during a time when the CIA didn't do its job, which in part resulted in the loss of lives of 3,000 people," he said via telephone from New York.

A White House spokesman declined to comment specifically on the Goss interview but described the lawmaker as "the most qualified man for the job."

Goss is expected to appear at confirmation hearings before the Senate intelligence committee next month.

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=politicsNews&storyID=5944517

I found that on this link that has other good Goss info:

http://inn.globalfreepress.com/modules/news/

[shraby]

263. RP....we have quite a bit on

Goss, would you like to make a paper that people can send to their senators, and newspapers and friends?

[robertpaulsen]

266. Good idea, but I'm going out of town this weekend.

I won't be able to start it until Sunday, but if you don't mind waiting I'd be glad to do it.

I'm really impressed with all the dirt we've come up with on Goss in such a short time! You've been doing a great job with that shraby, so I'll be glad to help out in any way I can.

[shraby]

267. He was easy because he's

so dirty, and in his past and present positions he probably figured he didn't have to be discrete. He knew the "right" people. Again a case of misunderestimating the internet.

[loudsue]

126. This octopus has many tentacles in high places....

And yet, you wonder how MANY people are actually in "the know" and truly involved in the criminal activities? Is the actual NUMBER of people manageable?

IF by some remote chance, John Kerry chose an administration that had the very real intent of cleaning house on the bush cabal... I mean specific intent...like choosing someone of Eliot Spitzer's caliber to run the DOJ, and crime-fighting power-house types to clean out the CIA of the drug/bush/mafia crowd, and to REALLY follow the money in the war on terror...

IF that were to happen, how many "kingpins" do you imagine we'd be looking at having to bring down on racketeering charges, treason, fraud, cover-up, etc.?

Say Kerry decided to do a clandestine "wipe out" of ALL the drug crops used by the bush crime family, and to freeze all drug related bank accounts. They still have all these weapons they're making money off of, diamond mines, gold mines, uranium ore and precious metal mines, private (privatized) military organizations, etc. And WE STILL NEED OIL, but there is also a great deal of corruption/collusion going on there.

Let's say Kerry/Edwards chose a private meeting (like Cheney's energy task force), and put together a whole network to hit the octopus where it hurts, and then prosecute to the full extent of the law. I REALLY don't think that it would bring the U.S. to economic collapse any faster than it's about to collapse anyway, under the weight of those crimes that are already being committed. If he STOPPED the flow of tax money to the criminal element in the military industrial complex, it WOULD have a major impact financially. But if that same money was turned back to the programs that would support PEOPLE, and put money back in the pockets of the people who it is currently taking money FROM, it would have SOME counter-balancing effect for the economy.

I know this is a far-fetched scenario. But what I'm trying to do is conceptualize what NEEDS to be done, and what would possibly work to correct the problem we've been discussing here.

I'm beginning to fear that PLAME may have just been neutered, with the FBI eliminating the chief investigator on the PLAME case, and with the appointment of Goss, and with the constitutional 1st Amendment battles shaping up. And, truly....we're not sure exactly how "clean" and "determined" Fitzgerald is! We've heard about his reputation of being pretty honest, but we still have to remember from whence he came!.... He's one of the DOJ boys. Does he have the cojones to take on the really hard stuff, to the extent that he will do more than just scare the beejeezus out of some of the skanky traitors, and let a few well-placed people take the fall for the crime family?

If, as was posted above concerning Michael Rupert (who is one of my true heroes since I first discovered his writings in 2000), that all of Washington knows about the bush/CIA drugs & weapons program, surely, then, Fitzgerald knows. Nobody has busted the bush family for the past 50 years. I seriously doubt Fitzgerald is really going to do anything that might get him Wellstoned.

But the GREAT thing that HAS come about as a result of this, is that a very bright, very activist bunch of PATRIOTIC Americans has begun to lay out the entire web that PLAME is only a part of. WE now have this information, and it is being blasted across the internet as fast as we can type.

Will this, SOMEHOW, support a mandate for some powerful leader to take this bunch on? And can we contribute to that process by figuring out WHO needs to be taken down first, next and last, in a way that will disable those who are most complicit, and offer an avenue to change directions for those criminals who are caught in a web not of their own making, and who might really want OUT??

Ok...this is a long rant type question, and may not be the most well-written question <sorry! I'm typing as I'm thinking!>. But I'm just curious as to HOW MANAGEABLE is the solution.... and I think we need to be looking at some beginnings of a solution. I'm not sure Fitzgerald is going to be the answer at this point.

By the way...you guys are soooo awesome! :hi: My head has been reeling with all of this information. I can't hardly sleep at night without jumping up and getting back on a PLAME thread, just to see what has transpired. The work you guys have done here is nothing short of earth-shaking.

:kick::kick::kick:
:kick::kick::kick::kick:

[Pallas180]

135. LOUD SUE, if I may

You've written a very good encapsulation of the problems we are
seeing.

And I've been thinking the same things.

There are two ways to solve this problem:
1)legally inside the system
2)outside of the current system

INSIDE THE SYSTEM:
Neither we patriots nor anyone else is going to get anywhere inside
the system until the House of Representatives is cleaned out of the
neo-cons, me-too's, fundamentalists. The House is the one with the
Judiciary Committee which hands down articles of impeachment, removal etc.

I don't think the Senate is in as bad shape, but the thugs still have
control of the Senate Majority and the House.

Unless in this next election, the balance of power changes, nothing changes. Can we wait another 2- 4- 6 years for a change in the numbers in the houses? I dont think so. There will be no constituion
or civil liberties at all if we wait that long.

Can Kerry make the changes you mentioned?

In 1963 JFK was told of the plans for One World Govt. and said "I must tell the American people of these plans to steal their freedom".
He was dead 10 days later.

If Kerry wins, even if these were his intentions and there is no guarantee that such a cleanup is, I think his life is in grave danger.

OUTSIDE THE SYSTEM-
Is also not a quick fix.
The American people have to be educated to what's going on in America. Not everyone has computers. HOw long did it take us WITH
computers to understand what was going on? And don't forget, viscerally we on DU have a gut negative reaction to the entire dimson family, so we had a head start.

OUtside the system, means informing the citizens and getting them to
believe it and understand it.

It means getting them to understand they have to stop buying cars, appliances, clothes, trips, flying, and bring this economy to a stand still (of the citizens making, instead of the governments which is doing it anyway).

And lastly the only way I can think of to bring about the change is
to stop. STOP BUYING STOP WORKING STOP OBEYING. CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE.
Do what the people in Russia, and Yugoslavia, and Poland did.

Surround the capitol and WH day and nite, just stand there, with candles, and demand they leave. The mob anger worked in those countries.

No lobbyists, no on the take politicians, no New World Order, and
start all over.

If this country doesn't produce and doesn't buy - they don't have a host body to suck the blood out of.

H20 is right. Only the people can do it. They can kill a JFK and an RFK but they can't kill all the people, no matter what Kissinger says.

Those are my thoughts.

If others can see another way, I'd like to hear it.

[H2O Man]

148. The past

"The past is never dead. It's not even past"
--William Faulkner; Intruder in the Dust


"The thing that has been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done; and there is no new thing under the sun."
--Ecclesiastes 1:9 ("The Preacher")


"Of all of our options for deciding how to deal with our problems, history provides the best lessons."
--Malcolm X

Now, you were talking about how the Kerry Administration (and the American public) could best deal with the massive problems posed by the un-natural, immoral, illegal, and destructive behaviors of the bush administration/power elite? Take a short break from research, and digest the information on the last couple threads.

[Pallas180]

152. H20, do you mean "last couple of threads" or last couple of posts'?

:shrug:

[H2O Man]

153. Threads.

Every seventh day should be used to contemplate. Do you know why?

[Pallas180]

167. really chuckling. Ok. I'll play. WHY?

:shrug:

[H2O Man]

173. I have a friend ....

(really, I think I have two friends) who collects coins. When he started collecting coins, he took the time to appreciate the value -- not the $$$ value, but the historical value, or the essence of the coins. But pretty soon he became focused entirely upon the collecting itself .... with the little rush of excitement from acquiring the coins .... but not taking the time to appreciate the essence of those coins ..... and it is their essence that is of value.

I've told him that he might consider spending at least one day a week appreciating the treasures he's collected, rather than simply being focused upon acquiring new coins.

[H2O Man]

174. Coins: part two

One of the things I've noticed is that because my friend is entirely focused on acquiring more coins, he tends to collect a higher % of ones that aren't of value, and because he doesn't take the time to look at each coin and appreciate its essence, his collection is larger, but of lesser quality to the exact extent he acquires coins that if he were paying attention, he'd pass on.

[shraby]

176. I think Pakistan,

Afghanistan and the Northern Alliance bear a good going over. Pakistan benefitted greatly from our jaunt against bin Laden, and most of the countries benefitted from having the threat of Saddam gone, but the mess in Iraq have offset any gains to date.

Who is the Northern Alliance anyway? They helped us in Afghanistan and their leader was killed right before we went there. Why?

[Pallas180]

177. I think follow Plame, Edmonds, & Khan's yellow brick road to

lead to the exposing of the cabal's dirty doings -
and that's what I'm after......the connection of the cabal
to executing PNAC's plan and making it a reality, at the expense
of attacking their own country and killing their own countrymen
while blaming it on the boogeyman OBL who is in business with
the cabal AND the sauds.

Goss seems to have played a large part in that along with Jeb
in the State of Florida.

Where were the Florida state troopers when all this drug dealing was
going on?

Where was the Florida division of FBI when all these Arabs were
taking flying lessons, apparently at every flying school in Florida?

And where was Porter Goss, director of the CIA oversite committee and the CIA while these huge transfer of funds to Florida banks were taking place.

Now it really falls into place for me.

PNAC>Cheney>Jeb>Goss>Atta>Portland, Maine>Boston>crash planes into WTC

By the way, did Porter Goss sign any of the PNAC letters or show in
membership?

[RebelYell]

182. I can answer one of those questions

The DEA told the local cops to leave the airport and flight schools in Venice alone. All the drug running was CIA. Always has been, always will be.

[Pallas180]

189. Which is why you dont hear of drug busts in Florida, nor do

cops in Florida arrest dealers -

essentially what they've done is make the cops dealers themselves
throughout the United States.

[H2O Man]

218. are you sure, Pallas?

I thought it was those damned college kids who were responsible for flying in all the dope. Darn them. Long hair, pot-smoking hoodlums! Listening to their rock-n-roll and dancing with wild abdomen. I can't tell if he's a boy or a girl!

[shraby]

181. Poppy production soars in Afghanistan

Monday, 19 August, 2002
(snip)
United Nations drug officials say the new Afghan Government has largely failed in its efforts to eradicate the opium poppy crop.

Now the UN estimates that more than $1bn worth of the crop is now being produced in farms in the country.

The UN says production levels are now close to those of the late 1990s before the Taleban banned poppy cultivation entirely.

In those days Afghanistan was the world's largest producer of opium, supplying 70% of the world's supply.

The Taleban banned poppy cultivation in 2000. amd the UN and US drug agencies say that this meant an almost total halt to opium growing in the 2001 season.

It was the US-led war that ousted the Taleban last year, that prompted Afghan farmers to plant the opium poppy again over tens of thousands of hectares.

(more)
<http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/2202148.stm>

My observation:
Pakistan backs Taliban and by extension bin Laden
Taliban protects bin Laden
Taliban stops opium production
U.S. attacks Afghanistan to get bin Laden
Bin Laden not captured, Taliban gone
Afghanistan resumes poppy production.

Convenient to have a bin Laden take down the towers, huh?
The question: Why does Pakistan help U.S.?

[shraby]

183. Two birds with one stone

The "Pearl Harbor" has happened ostensibly by bin Laden. (convenient patsy)
PNAC program can be initiated.
False charges drummed up against Iraq & Saddam.
Saddam taken out and much moolah to be made in Iraq as well as with the poppy fields now in Afghanistan.
Everybody is happy! The PNAC guys, Cheney with his WMD's, and Poppy Bush with his poppies.

Same question: Why does Pakistan help U.S. Saudis hands stay out of sight, yet they had been backing the Taliban and by extension, bin Laden.

Just dawned on me why Massoud, leader of Northern Alliance was killed just before the invasion of Afghanistan. When the Taliban was defeated, he would have expected to be installed as head of Afghanistan and was popular enough to get the job. He didn't want poppy fields so he had to go. That left a vaccuum for the leader of Afghanistan, someone not as strong.

Edited to add.

[H2O Man]

188. Usama Bin Laden

was responsible for 9-11. There is a school of thought that is sincere in its belief that bush et al did. But it's simply wrong. The human mind works hard to put information in a sequence where it is easiest to believe and live with. The idea of Bush & friends being that powerful and in control fits with a number of closely related human belief systems (all relating to child-parent imagery).

In truth, UBL thought he was going to beat George W. Bush. People may find this hard to believe, but many Arab people, even those who do business with him, find our president to be an obnoxious, arrogant, bully who believes that he is God's choosen, and that Islam is evil.

Some of them hate the entire USA, based upon their images of the main-stream culture. They hate our presence and influence in their land. They hate our trying to exploit their resources and people. They hate us enough to try to destroy us.

UBL was the moving force behind 9-11. Believe it.

[shraby]

191. I understand the hatred of the U.S.

That goes without questioning, and Bush is arrogant, etc. But how would UBL ever think he could beat Bush by attacking the U.S. unless he's as arrogant as Bush is. It just doesn't compute in my mind that he thought he could bring down Bush. If anything he strengthened Bush...temporarily at least. Until Bush went into Iraq.

edited for tpyo

[Pallas180]

195. H20 - I rarely disagree with you-this time I do - The PNAC plan

was born when GHWPappy was in office - but he didn't think the timing
was right or that the American public was ripe -

The White Paper of the New American Century states the Americans have
to be pushed into war, because the people will never support it unless
there's another Pearl Harbor.

there is disagreement as to whether OBL was responsible for 911
first he said he wasn't, then a tape shows up saying he was..there are
those who say that the man on the tape is not bin laden....

Neo-con officials stop using commercial airliners a month or so before the 911 attack.

officials of the CIA and US govt meet with the paymaster of the hijackers two weeks before and on the day of the attack.

all government agencies stand down during the hijacking.

improper orders are given to Norad and F-16'therfore being led away
from intercepting the hijackers.

Arab hijackers are running around Florida, in the CIA's playground and
"no one takes any notice"

pre-knowledge is known of the attacks and the airlines to be used and
stock puts are placed the day before. Some are paid, no investigation is made to whom - one put of 2 million dollars remains uncollected.

The attack conveniently sets the stage for the PNAC signers Cheney,
Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Perle and company to move ahead with their imperial world conquering plans.

One would have to believe this is all coincidence.

But H20, you and I both know there is no such thing as coincidence.

On Edit - furthermore, you have the brother and the son of the people who signed onto the PNAC in power at the WH at the moment of the attack.

He happens to be a liar. A plain ordinary inconsummate unconvincing liar and is caught again and again in his lies to me and the rest of the American people. When he told America the reason we were attacked was because "they" hate our freedom and then proceeded to destroy our freedoms which go along with his pappy's and brother's New World Order PNAC plans - it is not convincing, along with the other circumstantial evidence to believe his puppeteers did not pull these strings to move ahead quickly with their one world govt plan which they have been working toward since 1954.

Furthermore, you have David Rockefeller's statement shortly before (of Trilateral along with Pappy and Kissinger) at Bilderberg "The time is right".

H20, as you know, there are many sitting in prisons all over this country who have been convicted on less circumstantial evidence. Not every crime requires the smoking gun, or the bloody knife in the hand of the perpetrator.

If OBL did it, he didn't do it alone.

[Pallas180]

190. Maybe the attack on Afghanistan never was to get bin Laden,

but to get the CIA's poppy fields (which fund their black bag jobs and
illegal sotto voce wars and a lot of unreported profits) going again.

Now if the US didn't want those poppies growing all they'd have to do
is drop the new form of Napalm on those acres, and nothing would be
growing...isn't that true?

And Pakistan plays both ends against the middle, or did, until the
out of control true believers of Islamic Wahabee tried twice to assassinate Musharraf.

the whole thing got out of control of the CIA and PNAC and the cabal.

dimson said it, "I will export murder, and I will create chaos."

He has these unscripted moments of "truth telling" which really show him to be closer to a Ted Bundy than an all American Yalee.

And I'm saying that in all seriousness.

[shraby]

192. He kinda chaosed themselves

into a box, didn't he? Now they are under the gun with all sorts of investigations. Their only hope is to get Goss in as a blocker.

[Me.]

193. You know, This Makes Me Think About The Story of the Monkeys.

Whenever I start to get my knickers in a twist about all this, I try to remind myself about the story of the monkeys. It seems there was a series of islands. And on one of the islands, for some reason undetermined, one monkey began to wash his fruit. Over time, the other monkeys on the island also washed their fruit. Then, without any means of communication between the monkeys on the different islands, scientists discovered that the other monkeys, on the other islands were also washing their fruit.

In a way this reminds me of what is going on in the Plame threads. First someone had to think the thought (Shraby) and then the others began to walk the thought. In time everyone will have the thought.

[shraby]

194. My thoughts like that come

naturally. When I was very little I didn't ask my mother "what is the moon", I asked her "why is the moon". Her standard answer to all of my why's was "go look it up". (I was too young to look up the first one)

[H2O Man]

210. yes, exactly .....

very good way to explain it.

[RebelYell]

154. Shelby lawyers up - you won't guess who

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x743848

[RebelYell]

155. New Wayne Madsen article on Plame

Post #6

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2197970

[robertpaulsen]

163. Pertinent info to discuss here.

"Fitzgerald continues to expand his case against the leakers of Plame's identity. But he may be getting more than he originally bargained for. As his investigation expanded into the bowels of the Pentagon, he was bound to discover that the treachery of the neo-cons was not merely confined to the leaking of the name of a covert CIA officer - disastrous in itself - but coupled with other activities that call into question the loyalties and financial dealings of those who swore an oath to the U.S. Constitution.

With Ashcroft's deputy, James Comey, the person who appointed Fitzgerald, finding himself increasingly frozen out of Ashcroft's inner sanctum deliberations, it is clear that the neo-cons are worried about what Fitzgerald is discovering and how far his investigation will go. Also unusual was the fact that as Fitzgerald's case began to gain steam - with George W. Bush and Dick Cheney both retaining criminal defense attorneys - FBI Director Robert Mueller suddenly transferred the lead FBI agent on the Plame case, John C. Eckenrode, a well-seasoned 29-year veteran of the bureau, to head up the FBI's Philadelphia office. An FBI spokesman in Philadelphia said that such sudden transfers, in the middle of major investigations, sometimes, just "happen."


Make no mistake about it: the violation of the 1982 Intelligence Identities Protection Act of 1982 by the disclosure of Plame's identity and that of her non-official cover corporate umbrella organization (Brewster, Jennings & Associates) along with its official counterpart, the CIA's Nonproliferation Center - had a disastrous impact on the ability of the United States to track the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction around the world. At least one anonymous star (representing a covert U.S. agent killed while working abroad) placed on the CIA's Wall of Honor during the past year was reportedly a direct result of the disastrous disclosures from Cheney's office. The political vendettas of the neo-cons in exposing Plame's dangerous work and retaliating against Wilson's revelations about Bush's use of bogus intelligence regarding a fanciful Iraqi uranium shopping spree in Niger ensured that America's military-intelligence complex was going to seek a final accounting with the neo-cons. And a final accounting they are getting, in spades."


Thank you medeak for posting this!

Wonder what those "loyalties and financial dealings of those who swore an oath to the U.S. Constitution" are regarding? Couldn't be the Nuclear Walmart, could it?

[Pallas180]

171. ROBERTPAULSEN --link to Fitzgerald info ??? thanks n/t

.

[RebelYell]

172. Pallas, the link is in post #155 n/t

[kohodog]

178. That answers a huge "why."

I have wondered why Ashcroft would appoint Fitzgerald for the longest time. I couldn't make any sense of it. But this indicates that he was named by James Coney, Ashcroft's assistant. The neocons were out of the loop on this one. This is a big piece of the puzzle that finally fits!

[Pallas180]

204. Did anyone send our stuff to Fitzgerald in Chicago? we had

his address.

Did someone????


(please say yes ya did)

:bounce:

[H2O Man]

216. he's fully aware

of this thread and all the information on it.

[Pallas180]

231. H20 Well, that gives me pause.

would you like to share how you know that he's fully aware of these
threads and what's on it ?

[shraby]

257. If he's aware of this thread

and all the information, it's our job to see to it he has as much as he needs. Well, folks, get googling. :toast: :bounce:

[Wind Dancer]

246. Wow, that is incredible news.

H20, from post #173, "(really, I think I have two friends) who collects coins. When he started collecting coins, he took the time to appreciate the value -- not the $$$ value, but the historical value, or the essence of the coins. But pretty soon he became focused entirely upon the collecting itself .... with the little rush of excitement from acquiring the coins .... but not taking the time to appreciate the essence of those coins ..... and it is their essence that is of value.

I've told him that he might consider spending at least one day a week appreciating the treasures he's collected, rather than simply being focused upon acquiring new coins."


I am trying to read between the lines and wonder if you think we need to focus on certain information more closely such as the Plame investigation but not the theories re: the events of 9/11. Do you fear we will lose credibility if we start expanding on the unanswered questions regarding the events surrounding 9/11? We have a range of opinions which might cause a "certain reader" to believe we are "conspiracy nuts"?

I have no clue if I am on the right track or desperately sleep deprived and making no sense.

[H2O Man]

256. I think that as soon

as you begin to say that our administration & power elite were actively involved in 9-11, you put yourselves into the same grouping as those who study UFOs. Now, I realize that the prophet Elijah left earth on a flaming chariot, and I try to have an open mind. But, and this is only my opinion, that the 9-11 business tends to marginalize the serious work that has been done.

Also -- and again, only my opinion, and everyone has the right to their own opinions -- the belief that the big parent in Washington is all powerful and that they are all-powerful, is simply incorrect. It can be very hard to judge a picture from within the frame .... sometimes you have to step out of the frame, or talk to people who are always out of that frame.

There are many, many insightful non-American people whoare fully aware of the facts uncovered on here .... and plenty more .... who know that while there are many complex connections between our power elite and others (re: Islamic, etc) 9-11 was not an American product. The thought that the document saying it would take a war etc etc "proves" that the authors set-up 9-11 is incorrect.

I'm not saying that bush/cheney et al are too honest, upright and moral to lie, cheat, murder and steal. And if people want to believe that this administration set up or played a role in creating 9-11 (purposely) I don't feel the need to try to change their minds. But it'll bring the Plame work to a conclusion, because the issues are clearly different.

[kohodog]

179. Madsen brings Israel into the equation.

We have little on the Plame threads on this, but it might bear scrutiny. The US effort against the Soviets in Afghanistan had an Israeli connection for arms. I Don't know too much more though.

[Pallas180]

168. The harrassment of Shelby seems to be to be another "shot across the bow"

warning, like the administration tried with Wilson.

I hope Shelby has the guts of a Wilson and spills the beans.

And I think we should help him.

By sending everything we have of American Judas
and on Goss.

[loudsue]

196. WOW!! So that's why they call "Poppy" bush, "Poppy"!!!

It's all the poppy fields that have made him so wealthy and stealthy!!!

New bumper sticker: :silly: "They don't call him "Poppy" 'cause he's bush's dad".:silly:

I got this from Shraby's post #183 above, and it suddenly jumped out at me:

"The PNAC guys, Cheney with his WMD's, and Poppy Bush with his poppies." :hi:

With this new FTW article about Fitzgerald's "follow the money" take with the Pentagon, I'm wondering if he's not been turning up 'zzactly what we're turning up on this thread. At least it looks like he's got a good start on it all, or at least a nice piece of it.

The "monkeys washing their fruit" story is ALSO referred to as "the hundredth monkey phenomenon". The theory being, that if 100 people (or monkeys) have the same idea, somehow the "ether" carries the thought through the airwaves, and the brain waves of others "pick the idea up" as if through some unseen antennae. CERTAINLY there have been more than 100 monkey-people reading/aiding/abetting this thread over the past several weeks!! So now we find out that even Fitzgerald is finding himself....well, washing his fruit!

Too priceless!!!

I really think that there are a great number of people who have a deep-seated distrust of their government. Even some who call themselves republicans", but aren't very politically savvy (and, therefore, buy into the propaganda 24/7 that the Dems are out to destroy them, morally, financially, etc.) according to a survey on NPR today, a large percentage say they have a deep distrust of the government. But they're not sure WHY??

Thanks, H2O Man, for starting the "WHY", that is reverberating out to the other brain waves in the ether!! Thanks Pallas180, Shraby, Rebel Yell, Arbusto, etc., for resonating that "WHY" at such a massive frequency!

Pallas180...that was ONE of the pieces you mentioned above that would help us begin to find solutions to the problem....convince the masses!

<loudsue....feeling more hopeful than she has in a while!>

:kick::kick::kick:

[Pallas180]

207. And this is why we call him dimson

[Gregorian]

230. Well, I just learned something too. Thanks.

I had no idea what Poppy meant, other than father. But I still admit I don't know where it comes from, without doing research. If that bastard is in the poppy business, which I wouldn't put past him, then I have a new depth of dispair regarding the level of hypocracy in which they live their lives, and control ours.

And I'm one of those people who does not know, but who feels. I'm usually right, but I never know why. The day bush took office, my 80 year old dad said, "Here comes the war.".

[Pallas180]

232. Gregorian - my regards to your Dad. 80 years has seen a lot of things

and acquires a lot of knowing along the way.

He knows history repeats itself, unless someone remembers history.

[Me.]

234. And With The Hundredth Monkey

Critical Mass was Achieved.

You know I had forgotten that it was indeed called the hundredth monkey phenomenon. Thank you Loudsue.

Also, in a bizarro way it comforts me that OBL was responsible. It was more devastating to think MIHOP. But what about LIHOP H.? Carelessness?

[Pallas180]

236. ME. I understand. But is truth about comfort?

nothing about betrayal is comforting - it engenders RAGE.

and rage is not a comfortable emotion.



didn't Goebbels or Hitler or one of those say

people would not want to believe the horrible truth about their
leadership....

the bigger the lie and the more often repeated, the more it is
believed...


(paraphrasing)

[Me.]

244. The Comfort is in Knowing

That my very own government didn't organize the catastrophe, that the insanity there, the enemy within, hadn't climbed THAT peak. It strikes me that regarding terrorism that the enemy you can "see" gives you a fighting chance, whereas the invisible one is like a ghost, very hard to point a finger at and nearly impossible to catch. Though the ghostbusters here and elsewhere now have their eyes on the foul mass.

[shraby]

252. Goebbel and Hitler

of that era didn't have the mass communication that we have now. Remember, they confiscated all the radios and t.v. wasn't a common household item. The internet wasn't even thought of. Now the lies can be read, listened to and dissected to the max. One can compare the lies with many sources and discredit them.

The new Goebbels and Hitler haven't realized that yet is why they spew their ridiculous statements. They are still in the bigger the lie the more it is believed. They are so busy trying to create reality they don't have time to check the internet to see how their reality is being perceived. They check t.v. that they have control over and "it's going good guys". By the time they come to realize that they've been had, it will be too late.

[shraby]

255. Either LIHOP, MIHOP or OBL

may have been the case. The reality of the situation of any scenario is that the towers falling flat was and unexpected event. What was figured on, was that a few hundred would be killed. Those on the planes plus whoever was in the direct path of the planes. When the towers went down, that changed the death toll dramatically and upped the ante as far as an investigation is concerned. If the plane that hit the field in PA. had gone to its destination, I believe congress would have been almost wiped out. This leads me to think it was either LIHOP OR MIHOP. MIHOP gains the top of the list because of congress. That would have left the executive branch in the driver's seat, and we all know what it wanted. No investigation (possible with no congress) and complete power.

Another unexpected event was the power of the internet to look closely at what transpired and to communicate thoughts, suspicions, pictures, and any thing that was said or done at the time and be able to keep it alive. All of it didn't just go into the archives of the media, it stayed and was added to piece by piece..just like the Plame investigation has developed.

[Pallas180]

282. Shraby, actually 50,000 people worked in the WTC - it was providence

perhaps, or the fact that the hijackers were early, realized if they
stalled the air force would be shooting them down soon, that caused them to hit the buildings at 8;45 AM instead of 9 AM when everyone would have been at their desk.

I think they expected to hit 50,000 -

Also in our explorations online for Plame, I read somewhere the belief
that the WTC buildings had been wired with explosives...that workmen had been in the building for a couple of days before.....at the time that I was reading it, I thought "nonsense" -but that was before I started reading about Goss, Punta Gorda, the CIA drug airlines, and the criminality on the West Coast of Florida .....

[Pallas180]

198. H20's POST # 185 DESERVES TO BE READ:

H2O Man (1000+ posts) Wed Aug-11-04 10:43 PM
Response to Reply #175

185. 10 Good Questions .....


(1) Yes, definitely.
(2)By definition, the group can only uncover what is already known. By the same definition, you can only uncover that which has been covered up.However, having said that, if you went back to thread #1 on the Plame Indictments, how does the information compare to what has followed? Do you think it is fair to say that much of the valuable information fills out an outline that was laid out in threads #1 and 2?
(3)That Cheney was derailing a sting operation that involved Plame. It is worth remembering that the investigation could be tangental to Plame: for example, there could have been a deep cover agent in the Middle East killed as a result of Plame being exposed.
(4) Libby and Abrams will likely be convicted. Rove will get off. What we know, but may not be able to "prove" concerns Cheney. Yet, like OJ, who is an honorable man compared to Dick Cheney, the legal case will severely tarnish him. Our goal has to be to get bush/cheney out of office first and foremost. Justice follows that.
(5)In my opinion, the criminal behavior of this administration, including exposing Plame; starting the war in Iraq under false pretenses; the selling of WMDs to everyone with $; and fascism in America.
(6)The "Wal-Mart" weapons factory; the threat to constitutional democracy.
(7)It is possible.
(8)We'll cross that bridge if we come to it.
(9)Our actions should be the exact same; preparations should be a search for truth.
(10)Our efforts are already vindicated. We are only responsible for our own efforts. What the grand jury, etc do is their responsibility. We can only try very hard to find, and tell, the truth. The rest is not in our hands.

H2O Man

[H2O Man]

214. "I love the smell of the DU Plame Threads in the Morning ....

it reminds me of victory!"

Good morning. Let's talk about the monkeys on the island theory, that ME mentioned last night. Very important. How do we apply that to our threads? How do we best spread the message?

In politics, there are always three groups: (1) those who always support you; (2) those who always oppose you; and (3) the undecided. You rarely, if ever, use your resources engaging group #2. You do want to make your message known to group #1, to promote their spreading it to other members of group #1. That frees you up to concentrate on reaching group #3.

Now, we have amassed a huge amount of information. Huge. It would be pretty hard to wade through it .... in fact, you'd need a group of people almost exactly like our own to do it. (smile) And, a few things come to mind: if we are aiming at group #1, everything on here works. The more radical and shocking the message, the better. Because there are quite a few radicals on DU. And most of us/them move in circles with other people of like mind.

But suppose we want this message to reach some monkeys on less radical islands? If we want to communicate with them, we need to be able to speak the language they speak, right? If you speak French, and I approach you speaking Chinese, you aren't going to understand a word I'm saying. So, how do we put a significant part of this message into a language those other monkeys speak?

[H2O Man]

221. calling Carl Sagan.

Come in, please.

[Pallas180]

233. Planet Watcher here. You called? BTW, Carl Sagan

would never believe these theories .

Odd that he was even involved in the theories of space. He appeared
to be a man who would not believe anything unless he could see it, feel
it, touch it, and eat it.

May he rest in peace.

[Pallas180]

235. On C Span Rep Jim Cooper -DEM-being told by caller: 911 report

was a complete whitewash, that the war for oil - he defends by saying
the 9 11 commission had a very narrow assignment, not to look into
everything

Hes Dem Tennesse of the Armed Services Committee, and saying the committee doesn't know where money is going to.

Honest guy. Saying they don;t know who is minding the store.

So now you know where you can send another Waterman Paper and American
Judas.

[H2O Man]

259. Carl's favorite book

was the Autobiography of Malcolm X. Carl was the best recent example of a person who could take extremely complex issues, and make them simple enough for mass consumption.

[coeur_de_lion]

254. couldn't resist checking out today's posts -- even tho

I don't really have the time!! I'll miss the Plame threads while I'm gone.

So what is the language we are meant to speak? Would that Pakistani? Pig Latin? Texan? Neocon? Murkin?

I think what you're trying to say is, trim the various papers that have been written so as to eliminate that language that can be construed as a bit "tinfoil." Am I right, or just barking up the wrong tree?

People do not like to have their belief systems challenged in a radical way (unless they are members of DU). If we want to reach out to the monkeys on the island who can be swayed, we must use persuasive, logical arguments. And print absolutely nothing that we cannot prove. Systematically go back and cite sources. Speak in the passive (safe) voice. Gently tell people how we know that the Plame "outing" was deliberate and had several purposes. Then prove out the theories.

Is that where you're coming from?

Oh, I wish I had more time to spend on this today! Later!

[Me.]

265. Good Points...

Perhaps we should ask ourselves what is our main focus at this point and who do we feel it is imperative to reach now.

For me, it has always been Plame. I feel that is the nexus and the one area where we have a real shot at seeing results. It may ultimately be the domino that knocks the others down. My bottom line is to get these guys out before they can do any more immediate damage. PLame can help that happen. The rest would, hopefully, follow.

If this country is truly going to change and become what we thought it was, and as it was intended to be, the people in this country need to change. We can help them do so by providing the means to arrive at conclusions themselves, I do agree that the voice must be persuasive and capture the attention of others.

As for trimming down..."for publication" versions might be a good idea. Press releases of one page, but absolutely no more than two, are most effective. The one page "Cover Up of Treason" has been very effective. I was able to easily send it to friends who printed it up and dropaganga'd it. They liked it because it stated the case clearly and concisely yet did not intimidate and interfere with their judgment.

Naturally, all this is mvho and I will be interested in hearing the views of everyone else.

[Pallas180]

238. GMorning H20 -Your post # 214- I've several things to say this morning

I have things to say this morning which I think I'll do in separate posts.

#1. about Group #2 - Those Who Always Oppose You.

an interesting thing happened when H20 wrote about the Irish
Hedge Schooling and the attempt to keep the Irish uneducated.

Many of you know my other half is a died in the wool faux watcher and
believer, and although he's an ivy league over educated lawyer, his political thinking matches that of a hard hat construction worker of the 60's - rethuglican. (I dont know how Carville & Mary Matalin do it)

The only thing that interested him was H20's story about how America
was operating as the English did against the Irish.

Hallelujah understanding got through...
he read it and agreed - although he had to add," well, the comparison is rather extreme, but he's right..."

What H20 wrote appeals to that #2 group. SO - I would suggest H20 re-write re-work that post and article as if he were talking to the 1960's hard hats, making it pallatable for "those who always oppose" as a "paper" that could even be distributed on what has become known as the Freeper site.

AND please don't use your name H20 or Waterman. LOL . We sure dont't want to be inundated with freepers over here.:)

[Pallas180]

242. Continuing to spread the word to Group # 1

H20 said: " And, a few things come to mind: if we are aiming at group #1, everything on here works."

Almost everything, agreed, but many many on DU are still uninformed and just as shocked as we were to first learn "the truth" of the extent of betrayal of the American people by its own government.

And then H20 said: " The more radical and shocking the message, the better. Because there are quite a few radicals on DU. And most of us/them move in circles with other people of like mind."

There I don't agree. I dont think anyone here was looking for radical
and shocking. Nor are the majority here radical. Housewives, businessmen and women,thinking questioning people, yes. People who care about jobs, about the Constitution, about the quality of life in America, YES.

That does not make us any more radical than the millions
of other people around the world who marched against this war.

What has happened here is the Plame investigation has led us to discoveries and doors we never expected and had no knowledge of.
It has led us to understand criminal activites have been a part of this government at a minimuu of 25 years, and to know who many of the players are.

It is my belief that the rest of group #1 should also be informed of these discoveries in an explanatory paper. It is a natural progression
of the continuing investigation and discovery that has been done on these 18 threads. And that same monkey knowledge will hopefully spread
and lots of fruit washing will begin. This is a very bad bad government. The bad people need to be removed from doing further harm
to this country and the world. And it will only happen if THE PEOPLE
are made aware of just how betrayed they have been by their own govt.

On some level, they know. Polls show the American people do not trust their govt. They don't know WHY. They just don't trust their own govt. anymore --(actually I think that began with Vietnam and the
realization of the lies and the unnecessary deaths)

There is no reason to believe that they will reject the Truth of the
criminality of this government. Far from it. They are more than ready to understand why they dont trust their own government. They're
ready for answers to their nagging doubts.

It seems to me that H20's fear is that Plame will be pushed to the background and not be distributed and "hawked" over the information underground anymore. I dont think that will happen as long as the
Plame thread participants are here.

Although H20 does not believe this government took part in 9-11, and is afraid it would be a radical thought for the American people, I don;'t agree and I have written so in post # 195.

[Pallas180]

243. Did this government take part in 911 ? The PNAC Plan

The PNAC plan
was born when GHWPappy was in office - but he didn't think the timing
was right or that the American public was ripe -

The White Paper of the New American Century states the Americans have
to be pushed into war, because the people will never support it unless
there's another Pearl Harbor.

there is disagreement as to whether OBL was responsible for 911
first he said he wasn't, then a tape shows up saying he was..there are
those who say that the man on the tape is not bin laden....

Neo-con officials stop using commercial airliners a month or so before the 911 attack.

officials of the CIA and US govt meet with the paymaster of the hijackers two weeks before and on the day of the attack.

all government agencies stand down during the hijacking.

improper orders are given to Norad and F-16'therfore being led away
from intercepting the hijackers.

Arab hijackers are running around Florida, in the CIA's playground and
"no one takes any notice"

pre-knowledge is known of the attacks and the airlines to be used and
stock puts are placed the day before. Some are paid, no investigation is made to whom - one put of 2 million dollars remains uncollected.

The attack conveniently sets the stage for the PNAC signers Cheney,
Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Perle and company to move ahead with their imperial world conquering plans.

One would have to believe this is all coincidence.

But H20, you and I both know there is no such thing as coincidence.

On Edit - furthermore, you have the brother and the son of the people who signed onto the PNAC in power at the WH at the moment of the attack.

He happens to be a liar. A plain ordinary inconsummate unconvincing liar and is caught again and again in his lies to me and the rest of the American people. When he told America the reason we were attacked was because "they" hate our freedom and then proceeded to destroy our freedoms which go along with his pappy's and brother's New World Order PNAC plans - it is not convincing, along with the other circumstantial evidence to believe his puppeteers did not pull these strings to move ahead quickly with their one world govt plan which they have been working toward since 1954.

Furthermore, you have David Rockefeller's statement shortly before (of Trilateral along with Pappy and Kissinger) at Bilderberg "The time is right".

H20, as you know, there are many sitting in prisons all over this country who have been convicted on less circumstantial evidence. Not every crime requires the smoking gun, or the bloody knife in the hand of the perpetrator.

If OBL did it, he didn't do it alone.

[Pallas180]

245. Decision : ?

Is the path we follow as Plame Think Tank one of continuing to
publicize Waterman Paper and American Judas only;


or Is the path to publicize WatermanPaper, American Judas, and also
to continue investigating 911 to expose the connections of this
US Govt to the attacks of Sept 11 2001, write a paper on that and
publicize that theory?


Well Think Tank ?

What are your answers?

[shraby]

251. I think we've pretty much nailed the Plame

question to the wall, but if we continue with it, and the natural progession of A.Q. Khan, he will lead us to the rest of the story, 9/11 etc. A.Q. Khan takes us right into Pakistan and Musharraf, Musharraf and minions takes us to Afghanistan and the Taliban/OBL because they were supporting the two entities, and the poppy fields that needed restarted. The poppy fields will bring us right back to Poppy Bush, and his minions takes us right to PNAC. Full circle, only the details need worked out.

[robertpaulsen]

264. You've got it shraby, Khan is the bridge between both, Edmonds knows it.

I believe there was an interview recently, I think Pallas posted it here, where Edmonds states that the people who covered up 9/11 were involved with international arms trafficking, which was exactly what Plame's sting operation involved.

Here are those Edmonds quotes, from Rebel Yell post 48:

“There are certain points... where you have your drug related activities combined with money laundering and information laundering, converging with your terrorist activities.” Sibel Edmonds, former FBI translator

"The 9/11 terror plot intersected with the activities of a drug trafficking network of international scope, in ways that form a "crystal clear" picture of what was going on.” --Sibel Edmonds.

"You have a network of people who obtain certain information and they take it out and sell it to … whomever would be the highest bidder. Then you have people who would be bringing into the country narcotics from the East, and their connections. It is only then that you really see the big picture. The post-9/11 ntelligence 'failures' included the willful quashing by the government, of investigations tracing these criminal networks.-- Sibel Edmonds, former FBI translator

“The real activities taking place behind the scenes are criminal… Everything from drugs to money laundering to arms sales. And yes, there are certain convergences (between) these activities and international terrorism." -Sibel Edmonds

“After almost three years the American people still do not know that thousands of lives can be jeopardized under the unspoken policy of ‘ protecting certain foreign business relations.” —Sibel Edmonds

This is all connected and I think you're right on the money saying we should go back to looking at Khan's connection with Musharraf and his minions. Check out my posts 125 and 130 on this thread.

[shraby]

268. RP...do you suppose

your paper could be sent to Edmonds and have her send a yes or no answer as to if that's what she is alluding to? She wouldn't be violating a gag order but yet we'd know.

[robertpaulsen]

269. That's an excellent question: how can we contact Sibel Edmonds?

I would definitely ask her that question, or maybe even just to send her American Judas and ask: are we on the right track?

I'm going to start working on a prose version of American Judas when I get back Sunday, so it will be better for mass consumption. But I think Edmonds might appreciate the full version!

[shraby]

271. Buzzflash had links to

her interviews. I'll check and see if I can find them. Maybe through Dan Ellsberg too.

Haven't found any contact info yet.

[robertpaulsen]

275. I hope you can find it. Good luck shraby!

I'm going to be leaving in about 15 minutes and I won't be back til Sunday. One of the things I will be doing is talking to someone who might be able to answer some questions I have about Karl Rove. I'll let you know more about that when I get back.

Is Ellsberg friends with Edmonds? I wonder if he's trying to convince her to spill the beans and give Ashcroft the ultimate comeuppance. It would mean jail for her, but it might lead to the demise of the misadministration.

Please keep this thread alive! Looks like you me and loudsue are the only recent posters with Pallas out cuz of the hurricane. Take care and I'll be back!

[RebelYell]

280. Here's the Ellsberg & Edmonds press conference

(My apologies if it's been posted previously)

Whistleblowers ask federal workers to come forward with 9/11 evidence

US Newswire
GoveExec -June 14

Two government whistleblowers on Monday called on federal workers to come forward if they have information that could help investigations of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.

The request was made by Sibel Edmonds, a former FBI translator who alleges that the government knew more details about the 9/11 plot than it has admitted, and Daniel Ellsberg, a former Marine who leaked the Pentagon Papers about the Vietnam War to the media in 1971.

"If there are people right now who know either the same information that Sibel had and believe that it's wrongfully being withheld, or comparable information, then I believe that they should go to Congress, but also to the press and put that out even at great risk to their careers," said Ellsberg, who gave the Pentagon Papers to Congress and the media. "Many, many lives are at stake here, and it's well worth telling the truth, even at personal sacrifice."...

Edmonds, a Turkish-American, worked in the FBI's Washington field office from Sept. 20, 2001, to March 2002 as a contract linguist. She was given top-secret security clearance and hired to retranslate material that was collected prior to Sept. 11 to determine if anything was missed in the translations relating to the plot. She concluded that documents clearly showed that the 9/11 hijackers were in the country and plotting to use airplanes as missiles to carry out an attack in a major city. She said documents also included information relating to terrorist financial activities.

http://inn.globalfreepress.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=427

[RebelYell]

253. A chance to investigate the crime of the century?

Count me in. There are so many details that need to be investigated. Like why was the steel from the buildings was hauled off shore for recycling. It was a crime scene - the steel should have been tested and examined.

In the meantime, I'll keep my thoughts about 9/11 off this thread, unless it directly relates to the Plame issue.

[H2O Man]

260. Two errors:

(1) "H2O's fear ...."
(2) "H2O .... is afraid..."

I do not "fear," nor am I "afraid." I can say in all honesty and with both full confidence and humility that the direction that this has headed, while of interest to my friends, is not of interest to me, because it tends to marginalize the previous efforts. But, again, I am only one person. I had specific goals way, way back when we were on the first thread, and they have long since been met. Nothing stays the same; only change is constant.

[shraby]

261. I've been picking names

out of what we have about the nuclear walmart and Plame and making a list of them to do more googling. Maybe more will show up that we missed. I have a program called NoteTab Light (free one at notetab.com) which is great for storing stuff in. I can just copy/paste anything I find into it..then put it in this thread.
I would guess we missed a lot in our travels.

[robertpaulsen]

273. H20, not to marginalize, but what about Sibel Edmonds?

Don't you think her testimony is proof that the government is trying to cover up their involvement in 9/11, and that this involvement ties in with narcotic and arms trafficking in the Middle East, the latter part which involves Plame?

I don't think it matters whether this involvement was negligence or complicity (or both), either way it is criminal and if the motive is to protect the same network Plame was trying to expose with her sting operation, then it very relevant to the work we've been focused on.

I respect your right not to involve yourself in this matter, but your contributions would be sorely missed by me. You helped everyone here focus on the question: Why? So I wonder why does the DOJ gag Sibel Edmonds? Who benefits?

[H2O Man]

277. Sure.

Sibel Edmonds is a serious topic. As a matter of fact, it provides a great vehicle for making people think. And that is of great value.

Listen: in terms of politics, or culture, you need to look at human nature. And I know you do. I'm speaking in general. All people who have been able to motivate the public have understood this simple rule (which you won't find written in any book) .... and that is this: before you can possibly hope to get people to act differently, you must first get them to think differently.

That means you have to give them a NEW WAY to view things. And isn't that exactly what occured on the first Plame thread? I'm not giving myself a pat on my humbly bowed head, because I am the first to recognize -- as I stated then -- that I was using Man X's lesson. But, by asking "Why?" .... didn't it open up an entirely new way of thinking about Plame? And once your eyes are opened to that .... what happens?

And this is the way it has been, in terms of human nature, throughout history. Think in terms of Isaiah saying "You have heard; now see all this: and will you not declare it? From this time forth I make you hear new things, hidden things, which you have not known." (48:6) And what is he saying? That by creating a new way to see things, people will then behave in a new way. And that, my friend, is the revolutionary thinking that concerns me. We need a human evolution: to see things in a NEW WAY, and to behave in a new way.

But tell me: what will -- because of human nature alone -- the reaction of people be to anyone who says "we can prove that the bush administration was involved in 9-11 in an effort to set up the invasion of Afghanistan and especially Iraq"? Will it change the way people think? Or will it allow people to discount everything else that has been done on here?

But that's for everyone else to decide. I don't think of that as a serious topic. I will not participate in it. But that doesn't mean that I'm cutting out completely. My focus remains Plame, the grand jury, and publicity for that topic. Perhaps we have taken it as far as we can on this format. That's not a bad thing at all; rather, it's a job well done.

[shraby]

281. That's the reason I'm going back over

what we have already googled. Maybe there will be more hidden in it that will bring more to light.

[RebelYell]

237. Heads up - Sibel Edmonds, CNN 8pm EDT w/Paula Zahn

Tonight, Thursday 8/12

Let's see if Whore Paula can spin her way out of this one

[Pallas180]

239. Zahn will try to discredit her...CNN , Wolf & Zahn have openly become

misadmin propaganda outlet

[Pallas180]

247. Gotta go offline, Guys - edge of hurricane, and lots of lightning. Later.

:hi:


bye

[robertpaulsen]

270. Take care of yourself, Pallas!

Stay safe and protected from the hurricane!

:scared:

[Pallas180]

248. Gotta go offline, Guys - edge of hurricane, and lots of lightning. Later.

:hi:


bye

[Pallas180]

249. dupe stuttering

.

[Pallas180]

dupe

bye

[Pallas180]

250. dupe

.

[wurzel]

240. Has Novak ever explained why anonymity was necessary?

If Novak was innocently trying to get an Administration response on Wilson's article, why the need for anonymity? Surely reporters prefer to state their sources. Better yet two sources. I can't believe they hand these promises of source protection out like donuts. I can see no reason for any reporter to go to a "anonymous source" for the purpose of rebutting Wilson's column. Unless they knew they were committing a crime. Has Novak ever explained why the need for "anonymous sources" in the first place?

[shraby]

276. Most of the articles in

newspapers have "administration official" or some such designation for just about any info that comes out of the hallowed halls of congress or the white house anymore. Hardly anybody wants to take credit for what they say. Look at the last outing of an agent that Pakistan got who was working al Queda for info. They caught him and he started working against al Queda. Some "administration official" gave the NYT his name and the game was up. Pakistan had to move him to an undisclosed location to protect him, and that was the end of any more current info coming from him.

[wurzel]

284. So "anonymous source" is now the norm?

I thought this "protecting sources" business was a comparatively rare thing used in "Pentagon Papers" type situations. I mean a reporter can't expect to go to that well every time and maintain credibility. They are putting the whole First Amendment protection at risk.

[loudsue]

272. Can we start a new PLAME thread? Tomorrow Fri-13th - Moon Void

This one's getting a little slow to load! If we could get it up NOW, we avoid the void moon on Fri. the 13th!!

:kick::kick::kick::kick:

[shraby]

274. Pallas is the one who usually does

that and the hurricane is causing lightning problems.
What's the bit about the moon?

[Pallas180]

278. Hi Guys, I'm on for a short while between thunder rumblings - most

have never heard anything likethis....not just thunder clap...
continuing rolling thunder the whole day..tends to make one pretty
tense.

So I have some time online...

what do you want to start the new thread with?

[RebelYell]

283. Stay safe, Pallas n/t

[shraby]

285. Start it with the American Judas

I want to get names out of it and don't want it to disappear.

[Pallas180]

286. Okey Dokey, American Judas it is..and I'm going to abbreviate

the stuff on the top to just the threads and telephone numbers of
Congress...

here goes!

I'm not sure if I'll be able to be on tomorrow, when it's lightning
and thundering I unplug the computer...Florida, you know,,even surge
protectors dont alwasys do it....

But we'll see,

[loudsue]

279. Pallas180 is an astrologer, in addition to all of the other incredible

things she does. That's why I wanted to remind her/point it out to her, in case she had time to act on it.

Astrologically speaking: When the Moon (up in the sky) is traveling through one of the astrological signs, it eventually comes to the "end" of that sign, before it moves into the next sign. (Logical, huh? But bear with me here.)

Each sign has 30 degrees of arc to it, and all of the signs (12 of them) make up the 360 degrees of the Zodiac.

In astrology, the Moon, as it moves around in the sky, sends its shining light around to the other planets that zoom around out in space. The geometric angle (60 degree angle = sextile, or 1/6 of the 360 degree circle: 90 degree angle = square: 120 degree angle = trine, and so on) that the Moon's position makes as it winks at other planets in its travels, is believed to mirror the TIMING of "events" going on here below.

When we say the Moon is "Void", we are saying that it (the Moon) has already passed the last significant "angle" to, and has already made it's final "wink" at, any of the other planets before it changes to the next sign of the zodiac; thereby reflecting that no other significant "events" here on earth will come to their DESIRED fruition.

In other words, whatever is "started" when the Moon is Void won't be "triggering" something, which means the action is not going anywhere....at least, not anywhere it was "designed" to go. It's like the action is out there hanging out with nowhere to go, nobody to play with...nothing to affect or relate to.

Tomorrow, Friday the 13th, the Moon is Void from 6:17 a.m. until 11:30 p.m. Hurricanes may hit the shores, our troops might storm the temple in Najef. So whomever was planning to "do" something in the hurricane's path, will likely have their plans changed. Our troops will likely not achieve their strategic initiative or outcome. They may kill a lot of Sad'r's soldiers and blow up a Mosque, but it won't "achieve" anything they might hope they're going to achieve... except more of the same. Nothing will be "settled", even if Sad'r is killed. Not if the Moon is Void.

The Moon goes Void every couple or 3 days. It can be Void for a few minutes, or a few hours. It can occur at any time: in the middle of the night, or at anytime during the day. My experience is that the Moon is only Void for an entire day and evening (like it will be tomorrow) about ....oh, maybe 10 times a year, or fewer.

It's just not a time when you want to "start" something....like a new PLAME thread. The usual LBN threads are fine, and most of the GD discussion threads are fine. But the PLAME threads are different: they have a goal, and we are trying to achieve a purpose. And I'd like to see each PLAME thread have an IMPACT on the goal we are trying to achieve here. <grin>

So, if we can't start a new one before 6:17 a.m. tomorrow....let's wait until AFTER 11:30 p.m. tomorrow (Friday) night!

Mmkay?

:evilgrin: Just humor me!!:evilgrin:

:kick::kick::kick:

:kick::kick::kick::kick:

[Pallas180]

287. Shucks LOUDSUE - ya outed me - grinning...but we dont' talk

about the planets here, unless it's about who we'd like to see
leave in a spaceship to Mars <grin>

does anyone remember when there used to be an expression
"take a slow boat to China"

I don;t remember how it was used, but I remember the expression.

(Between you and me, getting married on a Saturn Return is a good thing- a time of and willingness to take on responsibility - and
taking care of a husband sure is a responsibility, Saturn brings you your due, and your due is obviously good! :)

:hi:


:toast:


:bounce:

[Me.]

288. Judith Miller Subpeoned In Plame

From over at DU, neo-con fav Judith Miller has now ben subpeoned



TrueAmerican (1000+ posts) Fri Aug-13-04 02:45 AM
Original message
Judith Miller subpoenaed (PLAME)

Edited on Fri Aug-13-04 02:45 AM by TrueAmerican

A reporter for The New York Times, Judith Miller, was subpoenaed Thursday by a Washington grand jury investigating the disclosure of the identity of a CIA undercover officer to the syndicated columnist Robert Novak and other journalists.... MORE...

No link yet. From muckraker, DRUDGE.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2206566

[Me.]

289. List of Journalists Called to the Grand Jury

grytpype (1000+ posts) Fri Aug-13-04 02:51 AM
Response to Original message

3. According to this article...



According to this article, she and two dozen journalists were subpoenaed in March:

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0306-02.htm

The list is:

Robert Novak, "Crossfire," "Capital Gang" and the Chicago Sun-Times

Knut Royce and Timothy M. Phelps, Newsday

Walter Pincus, Richard Leiby, Mike Allen, Dana Priest and Glenn Kessler, The Washington Post

Matthew Cooper, John Dickerson, Massimo Calabresi, Michael Duffy and James Carney, Time magazine

Evan Thomas, Newsweek

Andrea Mitchell, "Meet the Press," NBC

Chris Matthews, "Hardball,"

MSNBC

Tim Russert, Campbell Brown, NBC

Nicholas D. Kristof, David E. Sanger and Judith Miller, The New York Times

Greg Hitt and Paul Gigot, The Wall Street Journal

John Solomon, The Associated Press

Jeff Gannon, Talon News
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2206566

[Pallas180]

291. ME - wow and this too on #19 ? thanks

wow

[Pallas180]

290. ME - would you repost this on # 19 I've just started? It's a wow

so the Fitzgerald investigation goes on....and since she was a
fave of the neo-cons and put out alot of their BS and Chalabi's BS
that there were WMD and poison gas, anthrax, small pox - it makes
sense that she would be one of the reporters the vengeful called.

Hah!

Go Fitzgerald!!!

[Pallas180]

292. THIS THREAD IS NOW CLOSED, PLS GO TO PLAME # 19

Thanks and please transfer to #19 any particularly important posts
you think should be kept before everyone's I's.