Question concerning F 9/11 type films

[Valerie5555]

I wonder if anyone ought to have gone so far as to do a "September 11 documentary" that WENT SO FAR as to even show Lower Manhattan looking like a war zone (i.e. footage of the aftermath of people's decisions to jump rather than burn up alive in the WTC, footage of what the recovery workers actually found amid the World Trade Centre debris.).


If anyone objected to such a documentary, maybe they ought to have considered what the recovery workers thought of having to deal with such things in REAL LIFE.

[Kitka]

1. I dunno, I don't want to see that type of documentary...

and I'm not objecting without considering what the workers thought of having to deal with that in real life... I just don't need to see it. What would be the purpose?

[Valerie5555]

2. Not sure :shrug: except maybe to show more of the reality of what happened

, uh - oh maybe that sort of documentary may have been too hard for most kids, let alone adults to handle on second thought.


On edit It may just have seemed hypocritical for any film to have shown the Iraqi victims of the Iraq war and not the American victims of the Sept 11 "incidents." Just recently had that flash of realization.

[LTR]

3. Ever see "9/11"?

That was the one by the two brothers from France (can't remember the names), originally supposed to be a documentary about rookie firefighters in New York. The only known footage of the first plane hitting was from them. It was a powerful film, and the best 9/11-themed documentary made.

The movie was mostly about firefighters and what they had to deal with that day. Very emotional when it showed them in the WTC trying to get people out. The sound alone of bodies hitting (a loud crash) was disturbing. Perhaps more disturbing than if we saw the bodies.

Out of respect for the deceased and their families, I would rather a movie not show the bodies. But if you really want to see that, Rotten.com has had pictures of the carnage, and I don't recommend it for the weak.

A movie showing that kind of carnage would likely become a "Faces of Death"-style freakshow. If you want raw emotion and a sense of being there, buy or rent "9/11".

[Valerie5555]

4. Oh well maybe it was just as well that such a documentary was NEVER made

for what message it was trying to point out would be to "sensationalized" by the footage, or the documentary's maker would have been accused of being "too sensationalistic."


Such a movie may have also been even too IRREVERENT towards the FRIENDS of the victims as well.

[LTR]

5. It's similar to a quote by Roger Ebert

Showing partial nudity is art. Showing full frontal nudity is documentary.

Some things are more effective when not seen.

[Valerie5555]

6. True how true and maybe such a film may make too many weak stomached or

strong gag reflexed individuals :puke:

[ronabop]

7. The Shoah was inadequately documented...

... and in 60 years, people will be claiming that 9/11 was a government conspiracy, by the Tri-laterals, the Bilderburgers, the Jews, the Illuminati, the US government, the CIA, the Mossad...

Oh, wait, they're already doing that.

*sigh*

I would like to see a good, graphically honest, 9/11 documentary. One will be made, eventually, that integrates NORAD tapes, FAA tapes, cell phone calls, etc. Right now may be too soon for some of the families (would you want to watch your parents leaping to their deaths, and splattering on the pavement, or even worse (this happened), landing on a firefighter and killing him?)

-Bop

[Valerie5555]

8. Or even some of the people who lost FRIENDS and colleagues like the PILOT

or FLIGHT ATTENDANT who flew for some airline like UNITED and may have known one of the crew members of the highjacked planes.



If the documentary even had footage of people's pets either meowing or woofing in confusion in their keeper's apartments, I am sure that would also may even cause some of the animal lovers to react adversely, for if you had to be in some evacuation shelter due to any sort of calamity and you couldn't be with your pet, I am sure you would have been worried or :scared: crapless about how your dog or kitty is doing, I know I probably would be that way about my cat, Merlin.

On edit This probably explained EVERYTHING as to why certain United and other pilots advocated having the passengers and crew unite to fend off would be highjackers in the first post Sept 11 flights, they probably actually KNOWN the captains of the highjacked flights.

[DulceDecorum]

9. Come on down to the 9/11 Forum sometime

See what your fellow DUers are uncovering.
For example, this:
http://162.58.35.241/acdatabase/NNumSQL.asp?NNumbertxt=591ua
http://162.58.35.241/acdatabase/NNumSQL.asp?NNumbertxt=612ua
The FAA says that the status of those two planes is VALID.
And you thought that they crashed on September 11, 2001.....

As for the flim you asked for:

POWER HOUR Productions Present
911 In Plane Sight

From Dave vonKleist, co-host of "The Power Hour" radio program and writer/producer of the album "Will Someone Listen" & William Lewis, producer/director of "American Freedom News" and "TruNews" comes a full length documentary exposing one of the largest conspiracies ever uncovered. With the pounding force of a sledgehammer you will find yourself horrified and astonished at the shear scope of the largest transgressions ever carried out against the people of the United States and indeed... of the entire world.

View the actual footage from CNN, ABC, CBS, FOX and others.
Powerful and convincing footage, shown only once,
and never seen again. . . Until Now
http://www.policestate21.com/

Do try to get yourself a copy of
IN PLANE SIGHT.

It is worth more than one viewing
and it is simply footage that was on your telly
on that particular day.

[Valerie5555]

11. Had seen something about that

wondered if it even had some stuff in it that would be :tinfoilhat:

[Dem2theMax]

10. I don't know about the films,

although I've seen quite a few on the subject and thankfully none of them goes overboard on scenes we really don't need to see.

I did read a very good book on the subject of what the recovery workers went through. This book just caught my eye one day at the bookstore. It's called 'God @ Ground Zero' and it's by Chaplain Ray Giunta. Yes, God is in the book. The author IS a Chaplain. But the book was about so much more than 'just' God. The Chaplain works disasters like 9-11, Oklahoma, etc. The book has only 11 chapters, a few hundred pages. I started out reading it quickly, but it got so heavy with emotion, I had to cut back and just let the book sit there for days before I could pick it up again. Had nightmares about it. It was a sobering look into the hearts and minds of the men and women who worked Ground Zero. The Chaplain stayed with them for almost seventy days/nights. If you are a believer in God, you'll get a lot out of this book. If you are not, you'll still get a lot out of it.

When I finished reading it, I just sat and cried. I felt like I was holding the souls of almost 3,000 people between the covers of the book. Let alone the people who worked the site. It's a simple book and the Chaplain goes off topic now and then, but pulls it back together to make a point here and there. All in all, I highly recommend it.

[Valerie5555]

12. Had they been there, maybe animal rescuer Terri Crisp who wrote "Out Of

Harm's Way," should also have done a book about the whole Sept 11 thing, though it would have made people :mad: x( :grr: :argh: or peeved them off that nonhumans as well as humans would have to be needlessly victimized by such incidents.