if there is a draft can people just get drugged up before their physical?

[bluestateguy]

If faking homosexuality will not work what would stop someone from just smoking a lot of weed or doing some other drugs so that he might fail his physical. Or just show up to the induction center looking like the biggest stoner. Hence, no draft for him.

[Walt Starr]

1. There has been talk

of taking people who even test positive for drugs, giving them a couple of months in lockup to dry out, then training them and sending them in.

[shockandawed]

7. This is how it will go for you if you show up and test positive

they will lock you in the brig, and if you protest, you will be charged with a drug offense. You will dry out in jail either way, then sent to the front lines to die first, since it is clear where you stand on supporting your president.

Better off heading to Canada. Global warming should improve the climate pretty quickly under GW's guidance.

After all, he is about to prevent forest fires by cutting them down. I mean, why did we not think of this sooner.

[Capn Sunshine]

39. How it went in the Vietnam era

If they needed you , they didn't care how stoned you were, since they put you on a bus after your physical and shipped you off to boot camp.

You went cold turkey until you got close to the front where the absolute best quality of drugs were available if you prefer to partcicpate in insane mayhem and death of combat ops and support while stoned. It does have the effect of seeming more like a dream this way. Problem was, the smak was so powerful that most of the guys who used ultimately OD'd ; about one per company every thirty or fourty days.

Short answer: if they need to pack the cannons with fodder; you're going.

[Capn Sunshine]

40. How it went in the Vietnam era

If they needed you , they didn't care how stoned you were, since they put you on a bus after your physical and shipped you off to boot camp.

You went cold turkey until you got close to the front where the absolute best quality of drugs were available if you prefer to partcicpate in insane mayhem and death of combat ops and support while stoned. It does have the effect of seeming more like a dream this way. Problem was, the smak was so powerful that most of the guys who used ultimately OD'd ; about one per company every thirty or fourty days.

Short answer: if they need to pack the cannons with fodder; you're going.

[wuushew]

2. With non-violent drug use classified as terrorism by

the Patriot Act and Attorney General Asskroft, the option is not without some risk

[mmm]

3. There are better ways to get out of thedraft

Ask around :)

[twilight]

8. ever like black licorice?

Remember that one from the days of Vietnam? Look up what will happen to you if you eat a whole bunch of it ... :D

[newsguyatl]

4. what about gays

who come out? do they have to PROVE they're gay? (if so, how would they do THAT?) and are gays even allowed to say they're gay? and if they do? i've always wondered about this...

[Paranoid_Portlander]

41. I have done some reading on this subject.

And it's still not clear. It depends on many variables: whether draft quotas are high or low, peace or war, the examining doctor's prejudices, your draft board's attitude. etc. I do know that a questionnaire was in effect for the period 1964-1966 asking "Do you have any homosexual tendencies?" I know someone who truthfully answered "yes" and the doctor screamed "I think you're just saying that to stay out of the Army!!" He replied "no", the doctor took his word for it and he was set free. This questionnaire was ended as the war became unpopular. There was a case of a genuinely gay man in 1969 who claimed to be gay, but no one believed him, was drafted, received medals for combat, discharged and then denied benefits because he was gay. He then successfully argued in court that the Army was aware of his gayness from the beginning, so his benefits were restored

[Walt Starr]

5. BTW, I have a surefire way to avoid the draft

First, cut two 2' lengths of two by fours.

Get two friends.

Sit down and extend one foot (doesn't matter which one).

Place the two by fours parallel to your foot with the wide ends against the outside and inside of the foot.

Have your friends each grab one end of both two by fours.

Have your friends twist your foot around 360 degrees or until they hear two distinctive snaps (possibly three). This twisting motion must be extremely fast.

You will now be a victim of either a bimalleolar fracture or trimalleaolar fracture of the ankle, requiring pins, screws, and/or plates and painful orthopedic surgery to repair.

You are now medically unqualified to serve.

Please note, this post is strictly for informational purposes only. It is highly recommended that readers to not attempt this at home. Only trained professionals should attempt intentional fractures of their ankles requiring painful and complex orthopedic surgery.

[FlashHarry]

6. There won't be a 'draft.'

At least, they won't call it that. The marketing folks at the White House won't make that mistake. They might call it 'National Service,' like they did in Britain, but they'll figure out a way to sugarcoat/spin it.

Personally, with all the shit that's going on, I highly doubt it'll happen at all. A draft would be tantamount to admitting Rummy's plan was wrong--something they'll never admit. Plus, remember, Rummy called Vietnam conscripts 'worthless.' These guys are on thin ice as it is. Soccer moms won't accept a draft, mark my words.

On edit, some sort of national service wouldn't be such a bad thing. My stepbrother just started his in Switzerland. It's done him a world of good. Then again, when's the last time the Swiss were in a war...

[shockandawed]

10. The Bush Strategy for the DRAFT

It goes something like this.

1. Indoctrinate the public. Glory of war, fighting for freedom
2. Destroy the economy, making the army more attractive.
3. Call people unpatriotic and advertise the military as doing your duty to protect your family.
4. Have preachers tell their flocks it is glorious to fight for your country.
5. Pump some moron who took a wrong turn and was captured and cared for by the 'enemy', thereby lowering the bar on what exactly constitutes a hero. Bubba then says to himself "Hell, I can take a wrong turn."
6. End student aid programs that help the poor go to college, leaving them only one route to a college education - the GI bill on the other side of the war, if you live through it.
7. Send manufacturing jobs overseas.
8. Allow attacks on your own country to ease the recruiting crunch.
9. Put war promotion on the news 24 hours a day, with glorious battlefield stories on every channel from MTV to the History Channel, from George Bush action figures dressed in military garb, vertical integration has created innumerable opportunities to 'get the message out' that America needs you.
10. When all else fails, or all too stupid to enlist are dead, then he will create a 'compassionate' term for the draft, something like call to duty or the Defense of Freedom act. Cant vote against a bill named Defense of Freedom can you. I mean hell, we got the Patriot Act and the Victory Act.

By the way, I saw a poll recently on the draft, what people thought, etc. on MSNBC online. The results were drastic, like 90% against, but you know those polls are feelers by those with the thought to see what message makes people more receptive, then they refloat it, etc. until the mission is accomplished.

Impeach Bush.

[Demobrat]

9. In the sixties my boyfriend got out of it by

getting busted with one joint. A friend who was a cop did it so I was there with the bail money in 20 minutes, he spent basically one night in jail, got 3 years probation and oh, yeah, 4F. Undesirable.

[Nomad559]

11. Ted Nugent Claims He Did This To Avoid The Draft

ON MILITARY SERVICE

He claims that 30 days before his draft board physical, he stopped all forms of personal hygiene. The last 10 days, he ingested nothing but Vienna sausages and Pepsi; and a week before his physical, he stopped using bathrooms altogether, virtually living inside pants caked with his own excrement, stained by his urine. That spectacle won Nugent a deferment, he says. "... but if I would have gone over there, I'd have been killed, or I'd have killed, or I'd killed all the hippies in the foxholes...I would have killed everybody." - Detroit Free Press Magazine , July 15, 1990


http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cache:vV1dpz8GQLYJ:www.nocompromise.org/news/000731c.html+The+world+according+to+Ted+Nugent&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&client=lgtech-kb

[DieboldMustDie]

13. And Arlo Guthrie got out because of a littering conviction...

according to the song anyway ;)

[madrchsod]

12. i got out because

i told the psyc. that i had flash backs from lsd and psylo. i gouted the lyrics from "rainy day in june" while dancing my hands across the desk..4f for me..the guys i went with congratuated me for getting out.
a friend of mine got out by taking seconals and half gallon of wine -two black guys felt sorry for this wacked out white greaser boy, so they carried him around till the army thru him out the door...crazy days..

[maggrwaggr]

14. Rush Limbaugh can give you advice on putting a big boil on your ass

to get out of the draft

[DBoon]

15. Frank Zappa avoided the draft

by getting busted for "conspiracy to commit pornography" first.

He was entrapped into producing an audio tape with various "erotic" sounds by a Cucamonga vice officer.


Got him a misdemeanor jail term.

[redeye]

16. The smartest and easiest way, IMO...

...is to do what my dad would've done had the draft still been there when he turned 18: conspire to hunt an eagle. It's a crime not only to hunt eagles but also to conspire to hunt them, so he and his friends planned to squeal on one antoher and dodge the draft.

[wuushew]

18. Yes but back in the 60's eagles were endangered

now they are only threatened. Are the penalties still as harsh?

[JVS]

17. One of my mom's friends ate a pizza for dinner each day for a year

before his physical. He gained enough weight to be rejected by the military.

[lumpy]

37. I knew a guy who porked out on bananas.

I have a hunch it won't be as easy this time if a draft is set in motion. Home land security is probably working right now to squelch draft evaders, threats of jail time, condemnation as traitors and worse.

[Ouabache]

19. Eating lots of sugar might work better

before they draw the blood for the physical ?

It's legal. Might make you look like a diabetic on a blood test ?
I heard it worked.
There are certain things on a physical that they can call you back on to retest, which is what the method described for druggies by another poster seems to indicate they do for that.

I guess you could exercise your gun rights and blow off a toe or too as well. I think they want everyone to have all of them when you go in, but they sure as hell don't guaratee you will have them all when you come out, if you do. (see Max Cleland)

Do they give a psychological inventory ? There are ways to answer questions on those that can make you a nutcase, just don't test out as a homicidal maniac, they will probably move you to the front of the line. There are ways on a psych inventory as well to test 'normal' but to screw up the 'validity' of your answers.
They might not want a normal with questionable validity >?

[IndianaGreen]

20. Show up in drag!

You will get your 4-F rating and off you go to a happy life as a civilian!

[goobergunch]

47. Like Klinger from M*A*S*H? (n/t)

[knight_of_the_star]

21. Try this

(And I do not mean this in a way to insult the deaf, I have a lot of respect for them)

Learn enough ASL to seem fluent and do nothing but sign when you go in for your physical. I doubt they would draft someone who is deaf. And as a fringe bonus, you will now be able to converse with deaf people!

[DemBones DemBones]

22. In WW II, my father-in-law was called up, even though he was

married and had a child. When he had his physical, they found that he had high blood pressure (not a trick, he really had it.) So they had him lie down, and periodically someone would take his blood pressure again. As soon as they got a normal reading, they wrote it down on his record, pronounced him fit for military service, and he was soon off to boot camp.

During the Viet Nam era, there were lots of stories about how to beat the draft but I don't know if any of them worked consistently. The Ted Nugent story, for example, is pretty bizarre. Anyone could have (ahem!) smelled that he was looking for a 4-F mental defective classification. At the induction physical, it's all up to the physician(s) and they're individuals who interpret regulations and standards in their own way. Some probably gave more 1-Ys and 4-Fs than others did.

A criminal record would keep you out of the military but it affects you in other ways, too, like keeping you from getting jobs.

[Paranoid_Portlander]

36. Some more blood pressure stories.

My father was rejected for high blood pressure in 1941 prior to Pearl Harbor, but one year later when the war was raging (and before I was born) he was drafted. I suspected I had high blood pressure as a teenager, but so many doctors dismissed the problem as "just nerves" or white-coat syndrome, because they would not accept HBP in someone so young. I also read the story of someone who was confined for 72 hours at the examining station because they thought his HBP was induced by drugs. After the 72 hours, he still had high BP, so they set him free. There never were any drugs. That was during the Vietnam war.

[Changenow]

23. If you have a chronic illness such as asthma or ADHD

which must be treated with medicine daily you are ineligible for service now, so if there is serious talk about bringing back the draft see the doctor about that chronic cough (not all asthma presents with a wheeze auditable to a medical practioner). How about those suicidal thoughts? Time for some Prozac. The trick may be showing symptoms over time not just for the week before.

[corarose]

24. The Bush Crime Family will bomb something huge & people will enlist

He will do another 9/11 and he will get people to enlist and rally around our troops which actually means to rally around the Piece Of Shit.

[Jonte_1979]

25. How's this for an approach?

Tell them how you've harbored fantasies about empaling people with a bayonette and thank them for finally giving you an opportunity to try it on a living person.

Either they'll dismiss you or you'll get a nice job inside the Pentagon.

[Changenow]

28. With this crew making the assignments you’d be promoted

to General immediately.

[WilliamG]

46. But if we all dodge the draft...

Who will be there to protect us from all the weapons of mass destruction. While we are speaking of rock stars who dodged I have a good one for you; One could simply pull an 'Iggy Pop' and stand in the induction line at the medical evaluation center with a huge boner. It worked for him. Blah blah blah.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

26. potheads make great cannon fodder

are you joking? of course they'll take you, give you drugs you never had before, and stick you in the middle of hostile Arabs to liberate them.

[slackmaster]

27. I am appalled by this and the "faking homosexuality" thread!

Many of you sound like COWARDS and LOSERS!

If you sincerely object to war there is a PROPER way out of being drafted into active military duty: Become a Conscientious Objector.

http://www.objector.org/ccco/inthenews/maury.html

http://www.nisbco.org/What_Do_I.htm

http://www.afsc.org/youthmil/choices/co.htm

Anyone who pretends to be something other than what they are in order to avoid serving is a hypocrite at best.

[Liberalboy]

33. Being gay doesn't matter...

As a gay man I thought I would be safe from a protential draft in an unjust war. However, officials from shrubs administration have stated that gays will not be discharged in a time of war and that if there is a draft we will be accepted wholeheartedly....

In other words they want us to fight and die for their wars, just not to serve in peacetime like everyone else. For that bullshit reason I will fight the draft no matter what the war is.

[IndianaGreen]

38. Better to be a live hypocrite, than a dead hero

Choose life!

Our military is so homophobic that they won't even investigate whether or not your claim of being gay is true or not. They just think that homosexuality is so perverted that having a hetero claiming to be gay is reason enough for disqualification from military service.

[Paranoid_Portlander]

42. I agree.

I should have mentioned that fact in my reply #41 (where I reply to #4).

[Terwilliger]

29. why do you keep asking?

are you trying to evade the draft?

[9215]

30. Ask Ted "Dirtball" Nugent

Chickenhawks know their business. Ted simply didn't bathe for a couple of weeks and went in wreaking. He now is a real hawk for war as long as somebody else is fighting it.

PS. Please understand that I think getting out of the draft then and now is simply an intelligent patriotic thing to do UNLESS you are a war hawk.

[tom_paine]

31. No way. The Empire is deadly serious and the Busheviks are dictatorial

I think what people say about the brigs and threats are probably correct, perhaps even a bit mild, consdering the Bushevik Punishment Ethic, Heinrich A$$crust and what HE is, and all the rich Freepers who's kids will get out of it and who could give a shit about the rest of us.

[bearded_cat]

32. Well, pot is illegal (along with various other questionable products)

punishable by fines and imprisonment. There are over 2 million people serving time in this country today - the vast majority of whom committed their crimes while intoxicated on some substance (yes, I'm including alcohol, my own personal questionable product of reality-bending consumption). Many, many thousands are there only for using. Be careful. <sarcasm on> Soon it may become illegal to smoke cigarettes in your home because it will do irrepairable harm to a potential fetus. <sarcasm off>

[aquart]

34. Faking homosexuality worked just fine for Viet Nam.

But they're more desperate now, I guess.

I had a friend who lived on white rice for two weeks. Screwed up his electrolytes and all his tests came back icky in the physical and poof! he was out.

Another guy I knew simply went nuts extolling the generosity of a sargeant who gave him a cherry Chuckle. He thanked him so profusely and inanely, they tossed him.

At the time, they wanted those going in to be sane.

[Kellanved]

35. We have a draft and those tricks are no longer working.

They worked a few decades ago, but by now they catch practically every trick in the book.

[oneighty]

43. In 1951

I had to take a series of written tests to enlist. I imagine everybody did.

I guess if one did not pass the tests you did not get in.

I bet they do not want stupid ignorant people, unless there

is a war on, in which case no excuse is gonna work?

180

[classics]

44. Gain 250 lbs.

By the way most people talk, it should be easy to gain 300 or even 400 lbs.

Just eat nothing but doughnuts for like a month.

[IndianaGreen]

45. In wartime they will take the obese

and put them in the "Porky squad," doing extra PT and all sorts of horrible things to make them lose weight.

[goobergunch]

48. Run for local office...

PA House District 159 is going to get a new Rep. if there's a draft.