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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-04 05:52 AM
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Wellstone's Crash Revisited: Accident or Assassination?
Edited on Fri Aug-06-04 06:23 AM by stickdog
A summary of the NTSB's findings is here:

http://www.planeandpilotmag.com/content/2004/apr/ntsb_wellstone.html

The NTSB has released its final report on the October 25, 2002, accident in which U.S. Senator Paul Wellstone of Minnesota and seven others were killed at Eveleth, Minn. The twin-engine turboprop King Air A100 didn't have a cockpit voice recorder, so there was no possibility of investigators learning what the pilot and copilot might have said to each other about the way things were progressing during the VOR approach to Eveleth. Investigators had to rely on other things to figure out what caused the airplane to experience an aerodynamic stall at a critically low altitude. In reconstructing the accident scenario, investigators used radar data, ATC audiotapes, aircraft performance numbers, interviews and a large body of experience derived from investigating other accidents.

Investigators found that the flight crew failed to recognize two things that should've prompted an immediate go-around during the VOR approach to runway 27 into Eveleth-Virginia Municipal Airport (EVM): low airspeed and full needle deflection on the CDI. The flight crew should've been flying at no less than 120 knots. The airplane operator's procedures called for a non-precision approach to be abandoned if the airspeed deviated by more than 10 knots below 500 feet AGL. The airspeed remained below the required speed for about 50 seconds, reaching a low of about 76 knots. Procedures also called for an approach to be abandoned with a CDI deflection of more than three-quarters scale.

(snip)

The copilot acknowledged the instruction. Radar data indicate that the airplane began turning left while maintaining 3,500 feet and slowing through about 164 KCAS. Almost immediately after the airplane began its left turn, it overshot the approach course and traveled for almost one mile north of the course as it continued the turn until it established a ground track of about 262 degrees.

(snip)

At 10:20:06, as the airplane passed through the approach course about five miles east of the runway 27 threshold, a slight right turn was initiated and the airplane's airspeed and vertical speed decreased. The airplane established a ground track of about 269 degrees and maintained this track until the end of the radar data at 10:21:42.



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The NTSB concluded that the probable cause of the Wellstone's crash was pilot error. Icing was ruled out as a contributing factor, and no explanation was advanced for how or why the plane drifted over 7 degrees off course as if got NEARER to the VOR (navigational radio beacon) for least 90 seconds until it finally veered sharply to the left and steeply plummeted to the ground over a mile south of its authorized approach.

This is the critical occurrence that no one (including the NTSB) who has argued that the crash was due to pilot error has ever addressed. How did the plane somehow drift or turn well over a mile off course -- a huge navigational error over a period of at least 90 seconds -- during its final instrument approach? Note that the standard King Air procedure for this approach is to use the autopilot to steer the plane toward the VOR beacon (for details, see "Non-precision approach" at: http://www.navfltsm.addr.com/vor-appr.htm ).

So even though asserting just this much already obviously strains credulity to impossible levels, it's not enough to simply posit that both Conry and Guess managed to ignore the fact that the CDI needle was pegged all the way to the left for over 90 seconds while they somehow managed not to notice that they had slowed more than 60 mph below the recommended approach speed until the stall warning horn was blaring in their ears at which time they made the cardinal sin of attempting too sharp of a power turn at too low of an altitude. This "explanation" -- such at it is -- entirely begs the question of how the King Air A-100's autopilot, an extremely reliable piece of equipment that another pilot confirmed was functioning normally just the day before, managed to steer the plane so far off course.

If we assume that the crash was accidental, the only possibilities are:

1) The pilots decided the make the approach manually AND while attempting this unexplained and dangerous manual approach, neither pilot ever even glanced in the direction of the CDI needle, which would have been their only directional guidance in overcast conditions (all while mysteriously and fatally slowing almost to stall speed, of course). In addition, note that the NTSB summary of interviews (http://www.startribune.com/style/news/politics/wellstone/ntsb/252886.pdf ) states, "When Conroy flew, he would always fly with the autopilot engaged."

2) The pilots somehow managed to engage the autopilot on the wrong target. But in this case another question is begged -- namely, what other possible target could have given them a remotely reasonable DME (Distance Measuring Equipment) reading? But this option -- like so much about this crash -- argues for foul play. (For example: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/96025.stm )

Of course, if we don't assume that Wellstone's crash was accidental, then we can choose from a myriad of reasonable explanations for this otherwise virtually unexplainable chain of events. Here is just one scenario that I find entirely plausible:

1) A "service vehicle" equipped with both a decoy VOR beacon with a stronger signal than Eveleth Airport's VOR and an Active Denial System weapon (see: http://boston.bizjournals.com/boston/stories/2004/08/02/daily40.html ) is placed 1-2 miles south of the airport, probably off road, and nearly the same distance from the final VOR approach turn as the airport's actual VOR beacon (so that the DME would read as expected on and subsequent to the approach turn).

2) After the plane finishes its final approach orientation and the Duluth ATC signs off, the overriding VOR signal is switched on. Note that Eveleth Airport is seldom used, and that any pilots further than 30 miles away who were using Eveleth's VOR for navigation purposes (if there were any) wouldn't even notice the tiny change in needle (and perhaps course) deflection that homing in the the new overriding target would entail. Further note the "on again/off again" cover story about Eveleth's VOR being "slightly out of tolerance" (see: http://news.minnesota.publicradio.org/features/2003/03/03_zdechlikm_wellstone ), just in case somebody DID notice any temporary problem or discrepancy in navigation.

3) In the cloudy, overcast conditions, Wellstone's pilots would be basically relying on autopilot to guide the plane horizontally to the VOR -- in this case the false, overriding decoy VOR -- resulting in the plane being drawn off course in the exact manner the radar returns demonstrate.

4) When the plane is drawn off course close enough to get in the range of the ADS weapon (currently classified but almost certainly 1/2 a mile), the cockpit area is zapped -- resulting in an effectively pilotless plane. Of course, many other weapons could have been used, but this one has the expository advantage of recently appearing in several high profile, mainstream news stories.

5) The overriding decoy VOR is then switched off, causing the plane's instruments to reorient to Eveleth Airport's real VOR. This last minute reorientation would cause the still engaged autopilot to attempt a sharp right turn -- "crabbing to the right" in the words of one eyewitness (http://www.twincities.com/mld/pioneerpress/4376969.htm -- exacerbating the loss of control of the already pilotless plane.

6) After the plane crashes, someone would presumably make sure the cockpit instruments were consumed in flames -- just on the remote chance that a serious, full inquiry were to be demanded -- as the "cable TV/power company/telephone service vehicle" makes its escape from the scene of the crime.

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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-04 05:58 AM
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1. the 00 election, carnahan
and wellstone -- just too many coincidences for me.
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mhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-04 05:59 AM
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2. Regardless Of The VOR CDI Needle Deflection, The Airspeed Of The King Air
should never, I repeat Never, have been allowed to drop as was the case.

Whether or not the CDI in the plane was faulty or the ground transmitter was out of calibration, this in no way excuses the pilots from the responsibility to maintain correct airspeed.

From a pilot's perspective, this was pilot error pure and simple.
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-04 06:16 AM
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3. You are ASSUMING the crash was accidental.
It is this ASSUMPTION that allows you to dismiss the unexplained course deviation as relatively inconsequential.

But, yes, I agree that letting the airspeed drop 50 knots below the recommended approach speed was indicative of pilot error so extreme that it suggests pilot incapitation.
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mhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-04 06:25 AM
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5. I Have Personally Seen CDI Variations Enroute To VOR Stations
Edited on Fri Aug-06-04 06:26 AM by mhr
This in no way relieved me of the obligation to maintain airspeed or use other navigation information to maintain my course.

Instrument procedures are virtually cast in stone and are designed to keep aircraft out of harms way by relying on altitude, separation from other aircraft and obstructions, and finally airspeed.

When a pilot notices ANYTHING out of the ordinary during an instrument approach he or she should consider doing a missed approach. That is what missed approaches are for - insure safety above all else.

My gut tells me that something else was going on in the cockpit that day and I would place my bet on some type of mechanical problem that diverted crew resources away from the task of flying the aircraft.
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-04 06:48 AM
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8. Yes and no.
Edited on Fri Aug-06-04 06:52 AM by stickdog
I agree that it's almost certain that something must have made both pilots forget to fly the plane.

However, I find your characterization of a CDI needle pegged due left for over 90 seconds as a "CDI variation" to be indefensibly dismissive. If the VOR at Eveleth was really so bad that you could be more than a mile off course 2-5 miles from the VOR without the CDI needle pegging completely to one side, the State of Minnesota is liable for the deaths of everyone on that plane.

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mhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-04 09:07 AM
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12. My Point Is That The CDI Is Not The Issue Here Because It Is Not A Primary
Flight Instrument.

The condition of the CDI does not excuse the pilots from flying the plane ever!

So who cares.
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-04 09:48 AM
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18. Anyone trying to figure out what happened.
Edited on Fri Aug-06-04 10:08 AM by stickdog
The egregious, unexplained failure to navigate anywhere near Eveleth's VOR preceded the egregious, unexplained and fatal failure to maintain airspeed by over a minute. For any supposition about the cause of crash to hold water, it must at least attempt to explain both critical pilot errors (as well as the failure of either pilot to contact ATC during the entire crisis).

If you can craft a reasonable narrative to explain what was happening in the cockpit during the last 2-3 minutes of the flight that caused the plane to maintain a constant 7 degree off course heading while slowing 50 knots below the recommended approach speed, I'd love to hear it.

Of course, if you don't particularly care how it happened, that's certainly your right. But it begs the question of why you are posting on this thread.

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pathansen Donating Member (696 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-04 09:31 AM
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15. What about those new electromagnetic weapons that shut down planes?
An intense electromagnetic field will shut down electrical circuitry of the plane according to Jim Fetzer's article "Evidence mounts that Paul Wellstone Was Murdered".
This might also explain the abrupt cessation of communication.
See thread 13 below for further details.
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FloridaPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-04 06:17 AM
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4. VOR manual approaches aren't dangerous. If a pilot in Minnesota
can't do one of these after 1500 hours of IFR flying, they shouldn't have a pilot license. Most airports only have the VOR approaches. They've been around for decades. It is not a dangerous approach.

The weather wasn't that bad. The ceiling wasn't that bad. And I find it had to believe that two pilots with the experience they had let the airspeed drop that badly on an approach.
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-04 06:35 AM
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6. The King Air's autopilot can do a coupled VOR approach, and this is what
Wellstone's pilot reportedly preferred.

Yes, the failure to maintain airspeed was ridiculously incompetent in and of itself, but we also have an unexplained 7 degree navigation error withing five miles of the VOR. Any narrative explanation of what happened that day needs to address BOTH these issues. Again, if we assume it was accidental, we have to answer one of two questions:

For a manual approach -- How can two pilots execute a manual VOR approach without noticing the CDI is pegged to the far left for over 90 seconds?

or

For a coupled approach -- What was the autopilot's target if not the Eveleth Airport VOR?

In addition, as you noted, we have to answer how two pilots could have allowed the plane to get 50 knots below the recommended approach speed.
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-04 06:43 AM
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7. So no satisfying answers or hypothesis
since to say it was some purposeful attack from the ground shows that a lot of contributing factors- besides failure and not getting caught make such a sophisticated attempt look highly improbable. The complexities demanded the right conditions, pilot error and no one on the ground or in the investigation catching a clue.

The guess that something else diverted the attention of the pilot seems still more likely, but there is no evidence. Putting all the cases together(including troubled planes that did not crash), just for argument sake, is there any evidence of a assassination technique pattern?(JFK jr, Carnahan, et. al).

No evidence and no powerful hypothesis. For example, take the accusation about the terror alerts recently being politically planned. One good piece of information is the release of evidence in Pakistan at midnight, supposedly immediately upon the capture, which breaks all custom for similar arrests and announcements. That provides soundness to the speculation, but there is still not the kind of proof one needs to make the case. Of course, the fact that the AEI shill on PBS comes out and for all purposes says only "how dare you think anyone would do that" by now offers further weight to the speculation.

How many air crashes have airtight conclusions? Pilots must hate getting the entire rap so often.
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pifflePill Donating Member (41 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-04 07:16 AM
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9. and then a service vehicle makes its escape from the scene of the crime
Too. Much. TV.
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-04 07:20 AM
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10. You mean like this?
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farmbo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-04 08:31 AM
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11. Hey guys: Must view TV pilot from March 2001 on Stickdog's post
A plot to crash an airliner into the WTC...which was broadcast March 2001.
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pathansen Donating Member (696 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-04 09:18 AM
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13. New ElectroMagnetic Weapons may have been employed to shut down plane
It would shut down the electric circuitry if plane flew through electromagnetic field. This is the opinion of Jim Fetzer. See weblink:
http://www.duluthsuperior.com/mld/duluthtribune/news/opinion/7306797.htm?template=contentModules/printstory.jsp

"This means we have to consider other, less palatable, alternatives, such as small bombs, gas canisters or electromagnetic pulse, radio frequency or High Energy Radio Frequency weapons designed to overwhelm electrical circuitry with an intense electromagnetic field. An abrupt cessation of communication between the plane and the tower took place at about 10:18 a.m., the same time an odd cell phone phenomenon occurred with a driver in the immediate vicinity. This suggests to me the most likely explanation is that one of our new electromagnetic weapons was employed."

The article also noted that certain pieces of evidence were suspiciously missing and/or destroyed.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-04 09:21 AM
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14. I have heard this before. 80% of me feels he was murdered.
Too many good Democrats go down in small planes.
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The Flaming Red Head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-04 09:39 AM
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16. JFK Jr's crash
Too and the dead intern in the Condit case and the list goes on and on.

If I was Michael Moore I wouldn't fly at all. They'll probably have one crash into his home.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-04 09:45 AM
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17. Assassinated along with
Carnahan, Ron Brown, JFK Jr., JFK Sr., Bobby Kennedy, Martin Luther King.....all by the GOP. There's more who have been "accidentally" killed at very CONVENIENT times, I just can't think of them right now. :hi:
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ItsMyParty Donating Member (835 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-04 09:59 AM
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19. One part of this that was quietly shut up and never revisited
Within 24 hours of the crash, the woman head of the FAA held a news conference. Her opening remarks were that it was very evident from visiting the crash scene that there was an "intense" fire onboard BEFORE the crash (I kid you not; that is what she said). Never again were those words spoken. From that point on the explanations were all about pilot error, possible icing, drifting off course, etc. Seems to me if there was a fast, intense fire onboard, that could kind of "distract" the pilots and make them veer off course (sarcasm). I want an explanation of this woman's remarks and obviously will never get one.
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DemonFighterLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-04 10:16 AM
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20. Thanks for reviving this
I have felt all along that Wellstone was aced. I don't know how and I don't know about the plane or flying, but I recognize the MO.
It just occured to me that even with the high tech methods that the crime family could employ, they probably had a much simpler method. Maybe a gas capsule implanted in the cockpit that could be remotely activated or set on a timer that would incapacitate the pilots. It would solve the Wellstone problem and explain the erratic flying that ended the flight.
Being that evidence of conspiracy is hard to come by, someone needs to talk. There were witnesses to strage events, but they clammed up shortly after the incident. It has been so long since it happened that my memory is escaping me. The old witch who came on from the CIA that blamed it on the weather only cemented it in my mind that it was a covert act.
Anyone who even digs into these conspiracies is in danger for their life. The only thing keeping tinfoilers alive is the spreading of the nut case rumors. :D :tinfoilhat:
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-04 07:35 PM
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21. One final kick for the "debunking" crew who seems to have missed it. (nt)
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