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Kbowe Donating Member (272 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-03 10:29 AM
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Are the high gasoline prices the way gets us to pay for the tax cuts
and the Iraqi invasion? They are climbing too fast to make sense that what is happening in Iraq is the cause since we get more oil from our South American neighbors.

This is gouging at its worse. Seems to me that this is the way the Republicans like to transfer and re-distribute wealth...from the poor to the rich.
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makeanoise Donating Member (159 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-03 10:33 AM
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1. EXACTLY!!!
If i recall correctly, gas prices were claimed to be higher in the build up to invading Iraq, now that "Combat Operations are over", shouldn't gas be cheaper?

What does the Establishment blame it on this time? And why are they not debating this?

And can someone explain to me why my electrical bill will be higher this year due to the blackout while Ken Lay sits in a Penthouse in Houston?


The system is not working...
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-03 10:36 AM
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2. paid $2.22/gal for regular unleaded yesterday...
...in Arcata, CA. Cost me $40.00 to fill my gas tank.
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makeanoise Donating Member (159 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-03 10:39 AM
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4. Now Is The Time
For a Democratic Candidate to state it's time to raise the Fuel Efficiency of Automobiles. If they can get that done, it would save millions to us in our gas tank and pocket book.

Now is the time for this to be an issue, Bush can be beaten.
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-03 10:57 AM
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9. Probably because they want to gouge you tree huggers....
I am so cynical I think that gas is higher in more
progressive areas of the country.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-03 10:38 AM
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3. I think it's called Stealing by honest Gawd fearin' people!
Look on the Ten Commandment thingy next time it's on CNN!
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Brewman_Jax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-03 10:40 AM
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5. That's some coincedence
The Iraq situation is getting worse, no other nation (with deep pockets) is running to assist the US, and there's no money to pay for this because of the tax cuts.

Note that it's supposed to be the end of the summer driving season now that school has started in most places, and gas prices are ratching up, not down.

Things that make you say, "hmmm...?" :crazy:
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ohmyman1 Donating Member (55 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-03 10:42 AM
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6. prices
where is my $.10/gallon gas? now that we own iraq.
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-03 10:45 AM
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7. The basis of GOP 'Fiscal Conservativism' ....
Is to REDUCE the 'tax burden' on their corporate friends, and reduce the 'size of government', by 'privatizing' government programs, shifting them to the private sector, allowing these private corporations to reap profits on the public dole, ... while also allowing those corporations free reign in the marketplace to manipulate and defraud the public ....

The run up in gos prices are opportunistic: .... the pipeline burst in Arizona, the loss of east coast gasoline production during the Blackout, the supposed malfunction of FOUR west coast refineries, the inability of the US Occupation Forces to establish oil production in Iraq, and the resulting run-up in Oil prices, have all contributed cover so the texas based energy corporations, who pay the Republican Party's bills, are free to ramp up prices and increase the burden on the CITIZENS themselves ......

The GOP plan: ... reduce taxes on the rich AND allow the rich to manipulate the marketplace ..... all while they RAPE the environment ..... and that plan is in place now, thanks to Georgie Arse ....

Yeah: ... THAT is GOP heaven .....
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hippiegranny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-03 10:48 AM
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8. let me tell you about gas in phoenix, arizona
Edited on Fri Aug-22-03 10:50 AM by hippiegranny
we are currently experiencing a "shortage crisis" caused by a pipeline break in the stretch from tucson to phoenix. every station that actually has gas also has lines for blocks, and the price is over $2 a gallon. acyually it's amazing it isn't higher. a few stations tried the $4 a gallon thing the other day, but quickly lowered the prices again.

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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-03 11:00 AM
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10. They're the way to shift money to the pockets of Bush donors
Bush needs to create profits for his buddies so they can issue press reports of rising profits so their stocks go up a little so insiders can dump their shares before the truth becomes clear that increased profits on the backs of underpaid, overworked employees and layoffs isn't the way to build a better economy.
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ronatchig Donating Member (350 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-03 11:02 AM
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11. I've been calling them
Republican gas prices in public my self and getting aalot of nods of agreement plus a few bugeyed looks too ha ha
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CJIowa Donating Member (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-03 11:24 AM
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12. Media Coverage
Didn't the media have a field day blaming Clinton and Gore for the high gas prices when they went up to about a $1.60 in the Midwest? I remember the Republicans arguing they would lower the high cost of gas created by the Clinton/Gore administration. This morning gas prices went up another $.10 here in Des Moines to $1.70, but the media has not mentioned anything about it. When they were all blaming Clinton they had tips to the cheepest filling station, maps, etc. Now ... silence.

Maybe it is just that there is too much else wrong in the world to focus on that high gas prices don't matter much. But, high gas prices screw an economy as people quit driving to the mall and the beach. Where is the media? Who is to blame for the higher prices?
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-03 11:26 AM
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13. Does anyone notice this pattern ......?
It starts in California with the energy "crisis". The lights go out. Why? Well because so many power plants are down for "maintenance." And why is this? Well, because we need new power plants! Why don't we have them? Because of those damned environmental laws! What do we do? Jack up prices so we can build more power plants! Circumvent the laws, hurry the permits through, and BUILD BUILD BUILD.

Then -- on the East Coast. The lights go out. Why? Because the infrastructure is outdated! Why? Because nobody's "invested" in it. What do we do? Pour in money. To private companies. To BUILD BUILD BUILD.

Gas prices shoot up. Why? Well because of "instability" in Iraq. A pipeline that's down for "maintenance." Why were gas prices high before? The fear of war, stupid! Did the "fear of war" actually affect supplies? No, stupid! It just let the gas companies charge more, so they could all have record profits!

How can we keep prices high? Make sure that the "infratructure" doesn't work. Make sure there's more "instability". Our friends can get big juicy government contracts to BUILD BUILD BUILD.

It just keeps going.

THEY KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT.
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catzies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-03 11:53 AM
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15. But when they get the money they asked for to BUILD BUILD BUILD
They DON'T DON'T DON'T.

They have a license to STEAL STEAL STEAL and they get away with it time and time again.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-03 11:30 AM
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14. Just straight-up Bushevik fraud and theft
It's what they do best.
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Dissenting_Prole Donating Member (519 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-03 01:01 PM
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16. Or is it just the birthing pains of peak oil?
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-03 02:29 PM
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17. Eating up the tax cuts
Only the rich will achieve any net savings from the tax cuts because the middle class has to use the tax cuts to pay for higher electric bills, higher gas prices, higher health insurance premiums, higher state and local taxes and higher college tuitions.
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