'If the American people lose faith in their president..."

[dignan27]

"then the terrorists have won."

That's what the pro-bush guy being interviewed by Matthews just said. Whew, where to begin with that one...

[MichiganVote]

1. Heavy. Bullshit, but heavy. Another lighthearted moment from the Con's.

[cthrumatrix]

23. I've lost faith in stupid people who believe media propaganda

[jimshoes]

2. That is lame

in fact that is below lame if there is such a thing.

[katusha]

3. actually if bush wins reelection.

THEN the terrorists have won, since they want him to win and kerry to lose.

[Doctor_J]

5. damn, you beat me to it

if we re-elect someone that the people have no faith in, then we've lost.

[Djinn]

8. since when?

First there is no all encompassing "terrorist" ideology not even an all encompassing fundamentalist Islamic terrorist ideology, and even if there were I don't think "the terrorists" would give a flying toss whether Kerry or Bush wins - it's not like they'll suddenly become fans of (supposedly) secular liberal democracies just because Kerry is the Pres. The did try to blow up the WTC under a Dem Pres once before remember. They did blow a hole in the USS Cole, they did blow up 2 US embassies in Africa.

Bush may be helping with their propaganda but Kerry wont be pulling the troops out of Iraq so that little number keeps working.

What fans the flames against the US and allies is generally the political and military interference in other nations, that will not stop under Kerry.

[katusha]

10. Kerry will kill our nation while it sleeps

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/040317/325/eotq9.html

In comments addressed to Bush, the group said:

"Kerry will kill our nation while it sleeps because he and the Democrats have the cunning to embellish blasphemy and present it to the Arab and Muslim nation as civilisation."

"Because of this we desire you (Bush) to be elected."

[Djinn]

19. you'll note that the article itself

mentions that this is a group that CLAIMS to be linked with Al Qaeda and to be responsible for the Spanish train bombings, that's something my grandmothers church gardening group could CLAIM. The article also mentions there is skepticism towards those claims.

Even if this group WERE who they said they were it still doesn't hold that ALL Islamic fundie terrorists feel this way. Al Qaeda is not some monolithic group with a set of ideas and goals it's a little more hazy than that - people "affiliated" with it in Indonesia don't neccesarily believe the same things that those in Saudi or Pakistan do etc

The fact the Americans are even considering who the terrorists want them to vote for must be hilarious for said terrorists

[katusha]

25. that's weak

you are going a long way to rebutt a nonsensical response to a nonsensical statement. i don't disagree with you and i don't agree with you, but the fact is that these terrorists, whether they are responsible for the spain bombings or not, wish for bush to win and kerry to lose.

[Djinn]

26. right

I'm going a long way? ah nope I read the article which mentions that there is no proof this lot are anything other than a bunch of blowhards.

[katusha]

29. JESUS CHRIST!!!

original post:
actually if bush wins reelection THEN the terrorists have won, since they want him to win and Kerry to lose.



http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=terrorism
The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/11/17/1069027049283.html?from=storyrhs&oneclick=true
"We say to the criminal Bush and his valets among the Arabs and foreigners, in particular Britain, Italy, Australia and Japan: you will see the cars of death with your own eyes in the centre of the capital of tyranny," Abu Hafs al-Masri Brigades, the al-Qaeda linked group, said in a statement emailed to the London-based Arab newspaper Al-Quds Al-Arabi.

BY DEFINITION ABU HAFS AL-MASRI BRIGADES ARE TERRORISTS, WHETHER THEY ACTUALLY USED BOMBS OR THREATS!
THEREFORE THE ORIGINAL POST WHERE I SAID TERRORISTS WANTED BUSH TO WIN AND KERRY TO LOSE IS CORRECT!!!!

JESUS CHRIST!!! next time i want to make a joke should i check with you first?

[Djinn]

30. don't need to check anything with me

checking your blood pressure on the other hand might be wise.

This still doesn't hold, regardless of who wins the US Presidential election Islamic fundies (who are apparently the only terrorists that count these days) will STILL attempt to kill AMericans and their allies.

If Kerry wins the occupation of Iraq will STILL be happening, troops will STILL be in Saudi, the US will STILL be supporting Israel's actions in Palestine, ergo "they" will still be out to kill you.

but if screaming on a forum helps you...go right ahead

[katusha]

31. more assumptions on your part

besides the point and irrelevent. just answer the question:
did the abu hafs statement wish for bush to win and kerry to lose?

you don't really have a leg to stand on in this, sojust answer the question please.

[Djinn]

32. what assumption

I'm guessing you don't mean that my statement about Kerry's election not removing US presence in Iraq and Saudi and/or support for Israel, you couldn't be THAT naive. You said THE terrorists want Bush to win - that is a massive sweeping statement - some do some don't they are not homogenous with the exact same goals.

I have two legs - and this is like shooting fish in a barrell

[katusha]

33. not answering the question

your aim is poor when shooting fish.
answer the question or bother me no more.

[Djinn]

34. maybe comprehension's not your strong point

"did the abu hafs statement wish for bush to win and kerry to lose?"

Yes - it does not follow that THE terrorists want this - this bunch claim to want this - 'tis all

[katusha]

35. all this for an article

"the" an article that really denotes nothing, like "a" but unlike "all" as in "all terrorists". you went to all this trouble for an article that YOU assumed meant something it did not. thanks for the sanctimonious lecture about the correct use of "the".

seriously, you went a long way to point out that you were uncomfortable about the use of the word "the" in a joke response to an imbecilic statement from a bush supporter.

WOW!

thanks for living up to the stereotype of liberals not having a sense of humor. you're doing the righties work for them. you must feel good.
then again you seem to enjoy shooting fish in a barrel so this must be high excitement for you what with people talking to you and all.

good luck to you, and be sure to add me to your ignore list. i know i will be adding you to mine, sourpuss.

[Djinn]

39. if your statement was a joke

then I suppose I should have just responded that it was kinda lame and unrecognisable as a joke, as to whether I have a sense of humour well I find you pretty piss funny

and as far as...

"good luck to you, and be sure to add me to your ignore list. i know i will be adding you to mine, sourpuss."

Go ahead...I don't have anyone on ignore but if I "bother" you that much it's probably for the best that you pretend I'm not here, best not elevate that blood pressure too much

[dignan27]

4. Damn those clever terrorists

Making * "mislead" the American people to invade iraq and in the process make us look like a bunch of jackasses to the rest of the world. They are devious in their intricacies.


Hardbah!

[Booster]

6. Terrorists 10, Americans 0.

[Cocoa]

7. he's been listening to Britney too much

[WLKjr]

9. you know if I was on that show

my love for politics and debate would have been awakened on his ass and I would have responded,

"Isn't the real agenda of terrorists meant to keep people scared and worried? That is what the Terror Alert System is being used for by the Bush Administration, to instill fear into America. Bush has let the Terrorist terrorize us. The Terrorist have already won, we have to get on the defensive and keep them from spreading fear."


ON EDIT:

If I should have re worded this in anyway feel free to let me know, I am kind of pissed off and when I get that way I can't type a coherent sentence all that well..

[Inland]

11. Begin with saying that if we have to trust, get a pres who is trustworthy

and then we can both trust the president and not be made into chumps for doing so.

Its true--we have little choice but to trust the man in office. But we have a choice as to who that man is. Pick someone who hasn't abused the trust of the office. One of the reasons that Bush so disgusts me is that he took the nation's fear, asked that the nation trust his judgment and just abused the trust to take us--and continues to take us--on a ride to his personal well being and secret agendas.

[JI7]

12. losing faith in that dumb fuck has nothing to do with terrorists

and i never had faith in him.

[A_Possum]

13. That's almost as good as...

"If you want change in this country, you ought to vote for President Bush."

--Matthew Dowd, Bush/Cheney Strategist, Fox News Sunday

Almost. But not quite.


BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

[CrispyQ]

14. If the American people lose faith in their president . . .

...then it's time for a new president!

[Aunt Anti-bush]

15. I'm sick of these brainwashed idiots speaking out on behalf of *

That is just sickening and completely rediculous. They can't come up with anything better than THAT crap???

Why don't * supporters start talking about his many accomplishments, huh?

BECAUSE HE DOESN'T HAVE BUT ONE! He got Saddam and really I wont even give him the credit for that, because our guys and girls in the military should get the credit for finding him anyway.

I am starting to think Bill Engvall, the comedian, has a great idea when he talks about making stupid people wear signs. UGH!!!

:argh:
This makes me want to throw my computer out the window, I'm so angry.

[renegade000]

16. "if the american people don't vote for republicans..."

why don't they just come out and say that?...geez they might as well.

[Disturbed]

17. If Al Q didn't exist...

I would still distrust Dumbass.

Bush LIes

• "You can't say one thing and do another."-- George W. Bush, 10/31/00

• “If you overspend, it creates a fundamental weakness in the foundation of economic growth. And so I'm working with Congress to make sure they hear the message -- the message of fiscal responsibility.”-- 9/16/02

(Less than 6 months later, Bush proposed a budget that would put the government more than $300 billion into deficit.)

• “Having been here and seeing the care that these troops get is comforting for me and Laura. We are -- should and must provide the best care for anybody who is willing to put their life in harm's way.”-- Walter Reed Army Hospital, 1/17/03
(That same day the Bush Administration cut off access to its health care system from approximately 164,000 veterans.)

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[Moderator]

22. Disturbed

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[Eric J in MN]

18. If the American people lose touch with the fact that Bush is a liar,

we're all in trouble.

[Lex]

20. "If the President has been such a liar and the American people have

lost faith in him, then he has let the terrorists win."

That's what the guy should've said.

[yellowcanine]

21. He should have told Bush that before he lied his ass off to

get us into a war with Iraq.

[Walt Starr]

24. Well, it would sorta help if the people had faith in him to begin with

I mean, seriously, people would drink a beer with the guy, but would you buy a used car from him? I think not.

[greekspeak]

27. What has Shrub done to keep faith in him?

His administration chases chimeras and strawmen with gossamer butterfly nets. All the while, terrorists are left to plan their dasterdly deeds against American soil. My rebut...if the American people have lost faith in their Resiident, maybe we can have someone in the WH who will make it known far and wide that the terrorists of the world are getting taken down a few notches.

[Straight Shooter]

28. What the hell has faith got to do with it, anyway? The issue is trust.

What's he ever done that we should trust him? Name one damn thing bush has done to convince me to trust him. Nothing. That's what.

Faith, for crying out loud. I put my faith in Jesus, if I put it anywhere at all. Gimme a frickin' break. I'm about to explode over here from the stupidity of talking points that are about as subtle as a brick through a plate glass window.

[Spiffarino]

36. Out of the mouths of Shrub supporters....

Who would have thought that his own guy would came up with Kerry's new campaign slogan. Mega-dittoes!

[Dastard Stepchild]

37. If?

This supposes I had faith to begin with.

[Cat Atomic]

38. I wonder if he'll still be saying that after Kerry's inauguration?

Who was the guy? I'd like to save that quote for use next January.

[Davis_X_Machina]

40. ...then the crops do not grow...

...our ewes do not lamb, and our women do not become pregnant.

Very bad for our people.

It stirs up the anger of the gods against us.