Perhaps our leaders should have been more honest at the convention

[genius]

It was really clear that there were more rules about what they couldn't say than what they could say. Sharpon was seen as stepping out of the box and the DNC was not happy. Perhaps we would have seen a 10 or 20 percent bounce if our leaders had just been honest about Bush. The real winners of the nice-to-Bush approach are Bush and the neo-cons. Next time, we should call it like it is.

[Dookus]

1. umm.....

probably not. :eyes:

[rangerfan]

2. I agree. I thought I was watching the Repug convention. n/t

[pocket]

10. you were, sort of

I forget who, but one DNC official said beforehand, "You'll think you are looking at a republican convention"

[Walt Starr]

3. Better a small, long lasting bump

than a short lived 20 point bump that evaporates.

This election will be decided by voters that number in the thousands, not the millions.

[Uzybone]

4. excellent point

and in a country this divided, what makes anyone think there was going to be a huge bump anyways? No matter what was said and the DNC.

[genius]

6. But that small, long lasting bump was for the Republicans

Even the good polls show Kerry lost ground after the convention.

[Walt Starr]

7. ONE FUCKING POLL!!!

And historically, it takes a WEEK before the bounce shows up in the polls.

:eyes:

[genius]

8. We lost ground in the other polls (the Republicans gained ground)

[Walt Starr]

11. Rasmussen is a daily tracking poll

Again, historically it takes a WEEK before you experience the post-convention bounce.

:eyes:

[sangh0]

5. Perhaps not

.

[Trajan]

9. Methinks thou doth protest too much ...

first: it was the GOP who declared a '15%' bounce to set up false expectations: and here you are, playing along ....

second: Most polls DO show a modest bounce effect, which is what was expected by realists ...

thirdly; FDR, considered perhaps the greatest progressive american president in history, was strong on defense ...

Your viewpoint is jaded, and supported by baseless insinuations ...

[TreasonousBastard]

12. Or...

perhaps we have lost a bunch of points for being seen as a bunch of whiners pissing and moaning about Shrub more than coming up with our own ideas and vision for the country.

There may be great dissatisfaction with shrub, but no bandwagon for dumping him yet.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

13. If it wasn't for Sharpton, it would have been a girl scout convention.

No, I take that back. The girl scouts are more outspoken.

[Frances]

14. It was a GREAT convention

I like Dennis Kucinich and he had his turn to speak. Unfortunately, he is simply not as good a speaker as Kerry.

[NightTrain]

15. Did you and I watch the same convention?

If you saw Kerry's keynote address, not to mention Bill Clinton's speech, how can you possibly claim that the party's approach was, "Be nice to Bush?"

The party obviously preferred an upbeat, positive message to four nights of non-stop Bush-bashing. And for my money, the approach worked. It was the best convention I've seen in 24 years of watching the damned things! :kick:

[fob]

19. And how about Gore and Carter? Carter's speech was the most hard-hitting

speech of the week!

[never_get_over_it]

16. Yep they were so pissed at Sharpton

that he was up in the box with Terry McAluffe....even though we wanted screaming Bush bashing - main stream America whouldn't have liked it - and they got plenty of jabs in at Bush - did you listen to the speeches. Jimmy Carter, Ted Kennedy, Bill Clinton, Al Sharpton, Dennis Kucinich and Kerry himself took alot of jabs at Bush and there were many more....you're accepting the "liberal" medias analysis of the polls and you are buying just what they are selling. The convention was one of the best Dem conventions I have seen and I've seen alot of them.

[Bandit]

17. This convention was watched by the fewest people ever and when

registered voters were asked how they would vote after the convention they were not asked if they had watched the convention. If only those that had watched the Convention had been asked there would have been a huge bounce. Those Republicans who already had their minds made up and did not watch are surely not going to suddenly switch to Kerry. Their polling data is screwed up for this reason.

[NightTrain]

18. I'll bet a lot more people would've watched if...

...the broadcast networks had devoted more than a single hour to each night's festivities! Not to mention if they had kept their goddamned pundits muzzled.

[sangh0]

22. ( bet you both don't know what you're talking about

This convention had more viewers than the previous two conventions

[noiretextatique]

26. i work with the most apolitical people imaginable

and even they were talking about the convention and the speeches...every day. even the folks at the bar i got to on occasion were talking about the convention. i know this is "coventional wisdom," but in my circles at least, people were watching, and they were talking about it.

[mikehiggins]

20. So the speakers in Boston breath fire and speak in tongues

The media just reports "there they go again."

Where's the "win" in that one?

As to the "bump", so what? Our voters are going to vote for Kerry, aka ABB. Their voters are going to vote for Bush, aka Commander-in-Chimp. The small wedge of undecideds aren't going to make up their minds until late October. Do we really want to play the GOP game up to that point? Better by far to act like the grown-ups in this campaign, which is what we saw in Boston.

Millions have seen the F911 film, millions more will see it in October when it comes out on DVD. Let Kerry and Edwards take the high road and enjoy the collapse of the Bush machine. The blood is already in the water.

Our job is to get as many of our voters to the polls as is humanly possible, and make sure their votes are counted. That's enough for one campaign, y'know?

[Tellurian]

21. Nah, Kerry played it smart- He's forced the Pugs to go negative...

Mel, gave a wonderful summary of the effect the Dem convention will have on the pugs. Basically, Kerry has boxed Bush in. Kerry is forcing Bush to go negative with his campaign. Kerry has given the country HOPE where Bush is giving the country more problems to manage. Kerry has stated his platform in a positive light, where Bush will pass the buck and play the blame game. The last thing our country needs in more negativity.

People are gravitating to Kerry because he has stated a well thought out plan.

[Adams Wulff]

23. The convention isn't over.

I saw the whole thing, and I think the Dem's were out to put together a platform and a message, and I think the message came through loud and clear. We are one America. Anyone who tries to say otherwise is an ignorant traitor.
Works for me.

As far as the convention not being over, I can watch Clinton's speech, Obama's speech, Sharpton's speech, and Kerry's speech over and over and over again, thanks to the Internet.
And I can show them over and over and over again to all of my friends who missed it.
It's what I did over this past weekend, anyway.
Just my way of getting out the message.

[DemBones DemBones]

It's time to support Kerry and stop criticizing the convention.

If there is any hope -- if voting ever does any good -- this is what we have to do.

The alternative is to wallow in despair.

[DemBones DemBones]

24. It's time to support Kerry and stop criticizing the convention.

If there is any hope -- if voting ever does any good -- this is what we have to do.

The alternative is to wallow in despair.

[blm]

25. Isn't this a dupe post, genius?

you have an entire thread where you are saying the same thing at least 10 times over.

I think you shouldn't let yourself get drawn into rightwing spin so much. Save yourself, genius. Why let them get to you so badly that you feel the need to post the same lament reacting to GOP lies over and over again?