Al Gore LOST the election.

[MyUncle]

Looking at John Kerry last night and watching his campaign so far, I found myself comparing it to Gore 2000.

Remember Gore distancing and soul searching re Clinton? JFK sticks by his men, no shame in Carter or Big Dawg.

Remember changes in tone (voice and face) during the debates? JFK is consistant and comfortable in his own skin.

Al Gore lost Tennessee and Arkansas. JFK will win Massachusets and North Carolina.

My advice, stop whinning about 00. "the fix was in", "he cheated", "he bit my ear" yada yada.

The fight is now.

[maveric]

1. The "Whining" will never stop.

And BTW, Gore WON the election.

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[bryant69]

72. I don't know if you know

but calling someone a freeper is somewhat of a loaded word around here. It refers to someone from Free Republic who favors the most extreme of conservativism. It's not usually used to refer to someone you just happen to disagree with.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[spanone]

3. No whining . The election was STOLEN. Remember Florida?

Remember the Suprememe Court? Remember the disenfranchisement of the blacks in Florida? The votes for Pat Buchannan. Please don't tell us to get over it. We must move on, but knowing that they CAN CHEAT AND WILL TO WIN ANOTHER ELECTION.

[MyUncle]

8. My point is Al had it in the bag.

Forget Florida, he lost his home state. He was weird, he did not instill confidence. Wallowing in that story does nothing to move JFK TODAY.

[Bjornsdotter]

16. Not wallowing...

....we are not wallowing, we are learning from our mistakes. We should reflect back on historical events and learn from them. Yes the 2000 election/selection is over, HOWEVER we are still living with the effects.

I do believe that the general population would not roll over and play dead this time around; although many of us have been protesting all along.

Cheers,
Kim :toast:

[Sparkly]

17. "Forget Florida"???!!!

We should NEVER forget Florida!!!

Tennessee has nothing to do with it. People were denied their right to vote, and to have their votes counted. That is subversion of democracy and we should NEVER forget it. The will of the people did not prevail, and the election was stolen.

We are not letting this distract us from getting Kerry elected, as you imply -- on the contrary, it's part of what's fueling us. The fight goes on, they're trying to get the "fix in" again, and we cannot afford to "forget Florida."

[pagerbear]

24. Weird? How so?

[MyUncle]

32. Think back.

His agonizing over Clinton.
His inability to bury Bush in the debates.
The kiss.
The earth tone makeover.

[mac56]

35. "The kiss"? "The earth tone makeover"?

Puh-leeze.

:eyes:

[MyUncle]

40. Sorry, but it was weird.

[mac56]

45. So you say.

nm

[redqueen]

55. Most GROWN UPS

decide elections based on things like INTELLECT and RECORDS.

Not what the whore media feeds them.

The fact that too many Americans are all too willing to be led by the nose like a bunch of stupid cows is why this country is so screwed up.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

41. Maybe the assholes obsessed w/ making him look back were the weirdos.

[MyUncle]

44. Could be, but he was carrying the banner.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

47. ??

[MyUncle]

56. I thought you were implying that his handlers made mistakes.

I think the ultimate respsonsiblity falls on the candidate.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

89. Suuuuuuure. I'm talking about the useless hacks that call themselves

journalists. Those were not issues and they decided to make them out of thin air. Noe those are some "weird" people right there. I don't know what your point is.

But let me ask you. If I broke into your house pistol whipped you and took all your shit. Could I ask you to get over it?. 'Cause that's how a lot of people felt. If you don't like it well..........

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

61. On the debates...Kerry will slaughter Bush..he's like Mohammed Ali

talks like a butterfly and stings like a bee

[Lerkfish]

64. man....

its like the rightists waving kryptonite at batman and being confused why he doesn't weaken...
its because repugs think their own pressure points coincide wth ours...

fairly laughable, actually.

ANYONE who thinks shrub outdebated anything with an IQ above that of a warm sponge is blowing their own cover.

imho

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

75. But the media HANDED Bush the wins on the last two and replayed the sighs

ala Dean scream...I too was flabberghasted but for those that let the media think for them..they were told Bush won.

[spanone]

29. He wasn't 'weird'. He came off 8 years of Clinton being investigated.

He trusted his advisors and WON THE POPULAR VOTE....I REPEAT...WON...THE...POPULAR....VOTE!!!!!!!! Wisdon tells me that you gain from knowledge and experience. Hindsight is not whining.

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[redqueen]

81. Newbie?

Is that what we call them now?

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[bloom]

4. You are right that now is now - but Bush did not win anything,....n/t

[Kazak]

5. The fix was in, and...

the fight is now.

:D

[Walt Starr]

6. Have a Wedgie on me!

Gore Won, Bush Cheated, Get Over It.

[West Coast Democrat]

7. Democrats don't whine...

that's the job of Republicans.

[CatWoman]

9. My Uncle, my ass

[Wind Dancer]

10. Are you saying "get over it"?

Never in my lifetime. Do you know what happened in 2000?

[MyUncle]

13. Yes, I know.

Tell me how it helps JFK today?

[Sparkly]

22. It's one of the things that's fueled Democrats' energy in defeating *

and it reminds us that we can't trust them this time -- the phony felon lists, the paperless, hackable voting machines, the re-districting, voter "challenging," etc... We will do everything we can this time, because we remember Florida.

[redqueen]

23. It helps Kerry by keeping us vigilant

If we were to just do as the drooling jerkoff freeptards say and 'get over' a STOLEN ELECTION, they might get away with it again.

Never again. Never.

[greekspeak]

11. Al Gore WON the election, dear

He won the popular vote and if the Florida vote had actually been recounted as per law, and not the SCOTUS, he probably would have won the electoral college.

As for your observations, I think Kerry is taking lessons from Gore's campaign strategies and is learning from mistakes made. There is no reason why Gore should not have won handily in 2000, and he did make mistakes. But HE DID NOT LOSE THAT ELECTION!!

[apnu]

12. The reason to remember 00 is not for Gore...

... its for the million or so who were dis-enfranchised from their voice in FLA! :mad:

Jim Crowe in Cyberspace indeed, thank you Mr. Palast.

Let's keep our eye on the ball here friends... its all about the people.

[Pithlet]

14. The fight is now

But we can't forget what happened in 2000. The "whining" must never stop. We can't let it happen ever again. An American's right to vote is too sacred to just throw away.

"Get over it" is so Freeper circa 2000.

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[MyUncle]

18. The destination is not in the rear view mirror.

[Walt Starr]

20. A bit of advise given to me by a member of the Lakota Tribe

"The White Man is ignorant. He always looks ahead and never looks back."

[sandnsea]

19. Don't forget, do move forward

It isn't about whether Al Gore won or lost Florida. That's water under the bridge and we can't change it. What we can change is THIS election and every election in the future. We can get over the wrongness of Florida, but we can never forget it. The fight to perfect this country isn't over, we've got alot of work to do and Florida taught us that. We've got a democracy, if we can keep it.

[redqueen]

21. Do yourself a favor and watch "Counting on Democracy"

http://www.linktv.com/programming/programDescription.php4?code=counting

It was on this afternoon but it's already over. You can buy it from that site. Do it. You have a lot to learn.

No amount of ragging on people and ranting about Gore's faults will EVER change history.

The rogue justices on the SCOTUS STOLE the presidency from the people of this country. They took it as their right to decide for us, and no one, anywhere, will ever forget about it.

[MyUncle]

25. It should never have been close enought to steal, that is my main point.

[mac56]

31. But it was that close. Most people expected it would be.

And it was stolen. Pretending it wasn't doesn't help Kerry or anybody.

"Those who do not learn the lessons of history," etc., etc.

[Sparkly]

34. "Close" is neither permission nor excuse for stealing it

That argument tries to make the theft Gore's fault.

[redqueen]

52. You can't be serious

How do you know it was close? Do you know how many votes were 'lost' in Florida?

Do you know how many were turned away from the polls because they were illegally denied their right to vote because of the dirty tricks of Jeb & Katherine?

:grr:

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[Mz Pip]

26. Gore lost a LAWSUIT

he didn't lose the election.

MzPip
:dem:

[ScreamingMeemie]

27. History is recorded and taught so that we may never repeat our mistakes...

Asking one to "stop whining" is akin to asking one to forget history. And I, for one, will never forget. So that we may never allow that to happen again.

Al Gore won, and the Supreme Court took it away from him. Never, NEVER again. Let us NEVER forget.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

30. Gore didn't lose the election but he didn't take his populist stand until

far too late and did not effectively counter the accusations and propaganda against him.

He did NOT effectively address or debunk LOVE CANAL, the INTERNET or the like and he was SO consumed with BEING his own person that he never showed who that was...Kerry has thus far effectively countered nearly every accusation against him:

Kerry got rid of the FONDA rumor fast
The INTERN rumor
He counters the Waffle rumor by portraying Bush as stubborn and wrong
He PULLED the flag back

He EFFECTIVELY portrayed the TRUE meaning of Chirstianity last night.

Kerry has been much more effective in sustaining the body blows tossed at him than Gore was.

[MyUncle]

33. I agree.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

50. Well you might want to do a mea culpa on the "lost" thing

after all it's a bit of a sore subject around here since it isn't factually correct. ;)

[mac56]

Especially since you led with it as the subject line of the thread.

Gets things off on a bad footing.

[MyUncle]

69. Mea Culpa Done. Thanks for the suggestion.

[redqueen]

73. No. Go edit the title.

_____

[MyUncle]

77. Can't it's locked.

I've got to live with it.

[jukes]

95. hit the alert button

ask the mod, politely, to change the title because you mispoke.

& start w/ a bit of humility & subtlety, here.

or go away; your pick.

[kodi]

65. word.

and this internet thingie has helped kerry counter right wing smears far better than in 2000 with gore.

DU is a case in point.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

67. Along with Kerry's very efficient campaign staff..Mary Beth Cahill can run

circles around Gore's people.

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[CatWoman]

38. well said, WD!!!

:thumbsup:

[Wind Dancer]

39. I'll second that!

[Walt Starr]

43. BINGO!

I will NOT get over it!

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

46. But he does have one good point

The election should have never been that close. Gore had the greatest economic expansion in American history under his belt, the millenium bomber was CAUGHT, the WTC bombers were caught and prosecuted, and the country was in GOOD shape....the concentration of wealth was already underway and he missed an opportunity to continue to take the country on a path to sanity. He was FAR too busy trying to DiSTANCE himself from Clinton for all the wrong reasons...

[MyUncle]

51. Thank you. That is my point. Thank you.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

57. As I advised above..you might wish to withdraw the "lost the election"

statement..it isn't factually correct..it's still a sore subject and SHOULD BE..elections should NEVER be stolen even by a single vote...and given the amount of diusruptors that visit DU..it places you on the immediate defensive as a result of sloppy languaging...Gore won by almost every count scenario...a detail the country never really got to let sink in as they were riveted by the destruction on their screens the morning the news broke..too busy viewing the carnage. Good luck overcoming the impression you now have to deal with :D

[jukes]

97. your point

was made w/the civility & grace of a rogue elephant; smashes everything, accomplishes nothing.

an apology is owed.

[MyUncle]

99. Official Mea Culpa - see post 66

[ScreamingMeemie]

54. The only good point in my opinion. I remember thinking,"Uh-oh" when

Clinton was shoved aside. I think they really dropped the ball on public opinion there. I do believe far less would have voted for Nader had Clinton been actively included in the campaign. :hi:

[MyUncle]

59. Yes I agree.

[redqueen]

62. Now that more Americans are becoming aware of how corrupt the media is

hopefully it WON'T be that close again.

It's not Gore's fault that every rag from coast to coast couldn't WAIT to repeat the RNC lies. It's also not his fault that too many Americans were ignorant of the scam and therefore fell for the crap.

[redqueen]

60. Exactly!

This is not a new fight... it's the same fight it always is.

Eternal vigilance is the price of freedom!

[Cat Atomic]

37. Remembering the theft of the 2000 election most certainly helps Kerry

The Republicans are trying to steal the election again with the same tactics, in case you hadn't noticed.

Jeb had to hand over his disenfranchisement list for pre-election review this time. The electronic voting fraud machines are becoming an issue.

These issues, and others, would not be addressed if we just acted like good little Republicans and ignored the 2000 election.

[dryan]

53. Please don't flame me but.....

please stop putting all of Florida's counties in the same election basket. Here in Orange County we had a clean election. We use optiscan machines. Completely chadless.

[goforit]

42. You have alot to learn......M.uncle.

I'm sure all these Dur's will educate ya.

[MyUncle]

48. I'm learning.

[Tight_rope]

49. Al didn't loose 2000...Bush STOLED 2000. Bush is a thief...Never forget!

[yellowcanine]

58. It is not whining to tell the truth just like it is not paranoia if

someone really is out to get you. The 2000 election MAY not have been stolen between election day and December, 2000. But it WAS stolen before election day when tens of thousands of African Americans were illegally purged off the voting rolls. It MAY have been stolen again before the election when the butterfly ballot was approved by Katherine Harris in Palm Beach County, even though it was clear to anybody with an ounce of good sense that it was a confusing design, particularly when used with punch card voting machines that had alignment problems. It MAY have been stolen again the day after the election when the recount was stopped in a number of counties after it was apparent that Gore was picking up votes and closing the gap. The Republicans certainly tried to steal it by delaying recounts and running out the clock until the SCOTUS stepped in. Many Republicans use the "whiner" label to avoid addressing the serious issues raised in Florida in 2000. Don't give them comfort.

[redqueen]

63. Some people...

:eyes:

tick tock tick tock tick tock

really nice job padding your count here...

[MyUncle]

66. Official Mea Culpa

I agree with the DUers who flamed me about my use of "lost" and "forget Florida". My bad.

I hope this makes more sense. Al had everything going for him, it should have been a landslide. It should never have come down to a bad call by the referee at the buzzer.

The lesson learned should be to get ahead, stay ahead and win by so much that the refs do not matter.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

70. True..but in a closely divided nation it is difficult

Kerry had the benefit of SEEING that division...SEEING the anger of progressives, SEEING the effect and weight of media assassination...there have been far more studies on the mix of representatives in the media (liberal vs conservative and Dem vs Repub) than there were at the time Gore ran..and the effect of the internet during 00 was wasted on Dems and siezed upon by Republicans....we strategized while they waged war on us...hindsight...20/20...you know ;)

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[MyUncle]

74. I did try, but it is locked from Editing.

So alas, I have to live with my words.

[TheWatcher]

78. That's funny I can edit all my Posts just fine.

See?

Try Again.

[MyUncle]

82. I am not lying about this.

I have tried on this. Believe me, I have.

[redqueen]

87. Don't be surprised if people don't believe you

If I'm not mistaken it usually gives you an hour. Your post isn't that long. Sometimes the board malfunctions and won't let you edit, so if that's the case, then it's just an unfortunate coincidence that you 'innocently' posted freeptard spew *and* got bit by a board glitch with your first thread.

[MyUncle]

90. "You can't edit this message because the editing period has expired."

This is what I got. This is not my first thread. I stand by my Mea Culpa statements and I'll take the heat.

[redqueen]

94. Yeah ... it happens

but like I said... introducing yourself to the board by using freeptard reich-wing talking points casts you in a baaaaad light.

I suppose even the dumbest freeptard would be smart enough not to repeat them verbatim, so I'll just assume you have no clue as to how much the media lies for the reich-wing.

go here now, search, explore, learn

[jukes]

100. i repeat

hit the alert button in the lower left of any of your posts; ask the mod to edit your title or lock the thread. start over.

AND, apologise like a man of honor.

if you fucked up, say "I'M sorry for offending."

[Pithlet]

96. DU has been buggy

I've not been able to edit my posts today, either.

[Pithlet]

93. He may be telling the truth

I posted something today and tried to go right back and edit it, and it wouldn't let me. DU has been kind of buggy today.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

79. I think you'll survive...a couple years ago one of my first posts said

something critical of Gore and got me accused of being a freep...some of us learn the hard way...it's been a week of disrupting so people are on edge...hang in there :D

[redqueen]

83. I dunno NSMA

did you also repeat a whole bunch of other reich-wing talking points?

Then again... would anyone... even a freeptard... be so stupid as to actually USE those talking points?

Gee... now I'm not sure...

:evilgrin:

[redqueen]

76. You're too nice

:hi:

[TheWatcher]

92. There are times I am very nice. :)

But my patience runs thin when people tell us to "Get Over It."

Especially in light of what has been done to our country and our world in the past 4 years.

It is true Gore made mistakes that perhaps help make the election closer than it should have been.

The fact is it does not matter.

Gore WON The Election.

They STOLE the Election. They should not have been allowed to get away with it, and look what they have done as a result.

THAT is the real Issue.

We should NEVER "Get Over It." We should NEVER Forget.

And we will NOT allow them to do it again. At least that is my Strongest Hope.

After all, Hope Is HERE.

And if it remains fair and honest, Bush is finished.

And if it doesn't.

We will NOT "Get Over It." Not this time.

This time this maniac and his Merry Murderers are coming face To Face with OUR Will. The Will Of The People.

Steal It Once, Shame....Shame On You.

They WON'T Steal It Again. :)

[rocktivity]

68. I'll stop whining when the entire theiving traitorus bunch are in jail!

:mad:
rocknation

[wellstone_democrat]

84. I'll stop "whining" for my country under two conditions:

When "rocknation" "redqueen" and "catwoman" do--because the frogmarches out of the WH and into the hoosegow have begun!

OR

When I'm dead.

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[LSdemocrat]

85. It's a matter of FACT: Gore WON the election

By any OBJECTIVE standard, Gore won the state of Florida and the election.

Anyone who believes otherwise is either lying, stupid, or ideologically brainwashed.

[tom_paine]

88. My adivce: You DON'T move on when your MOM gets RAPED!

You DON'T stop speaking up about it and trying to prosecute the criminals who did it!

Well, when the Busheviks pulled their Bloodless Coup of 2000, they raped and beat Lady Liberty, left her bloodied and bruised and in the street.

And I'll be GODDAMNED IF I FORGET IT!

Plus, to accept it and say nothing about it is to ENSURE it will happen again.

Screw that, pal.

Screw that.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

91. I will NEVER forget the Coup of December 2000, not as long as I live....

...my one wish is that the perpetrators of that act, and all subsequent acts leading up to November, be tried for treason against the United States of America.

The fight has been ongoing for decades...you apparently have failed to take notice.

[Freddie Stubbs]

98. Winning Massachusets is easy

It usually goes Democratic except in Republican landslides.

[Moderator]

101. Locking.....

Since there has been a misunderstanding I
am locking this thread. MyUncle, please
feel free to repost this thread and try
to make your intentions clear.

Thank you.


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