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[leftofthedial]

1. but we must assiduously point out the bad results

of this criminal misadministration

we can't ignore or whitewash the bad, but we shouldn't seem to celebrate it either.

[NJCher]

2. it's a bigger issue than bush and the elections

We must wish that things improve? What does that mean? Does that mean the Iraqis give up and let us take their oil?

Sorry, I cannot approve of taking over another country and subjecting its people for any reason. It's a much larger issue than bush getting elected in '04: it's about a policy that wrong and for that reason alone it must fail.


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[AmeriCanadian]

18. You are so correct sir. In my ...

... short time here on this great site, this is the only thing I read that makes me feel a bit uncomfortable about some of its population.

[kentuck]

3. I'm now unemployed.....I'm not cheering.

:(

[leftofthedial]

4. (un) welcome to the club

There are millions of us. :-(

[silverchair]

6. unemployed for over

a year now. welcome to the club.

[Drifter]

7. Predicting vs Wishing ...

someone says "I think attacking and occupying Iraq is wrong. I think many will be killed. Our Goverment is wrong to send them."

A right wing nut will then claim "War protesters do not support the our soldiers in Iraq. They want them to be killed".

Just because many people against the war "Predicted" that Iraq would become a bigger mess than it was, doesn't mean that they wished it to happen. Righties can't seem to grasp this concept.

It's about time someone stood up and says "I told you so"

Cheers
Drifter

[Doug Decker]

8. Blaming "wishers" who have no political power...

or clout is pointless. Stick to the issues, but realize that the POLICIES of * are what are causing the problems you list, not the actions of nameless and disinfranchised "wishers".

You seem to have adopted the right wing myth that somehow, "wishers" have some power than the pResident. I'm sure that is not what you were trying to say, were you?

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[Doug Decker]

19. Everyone has "some" political power, like voting...

but * has POLICY POWER, which I think you can agree, outweighs the "wishes" of the voters, who can only exercise that power at elections (and were prevented from having any power when the USSC stopped the counting).

I'm sorry to say, good news is going to be in short supply, because the policies of the administration are greedy, selfish and wrong.

But blamimg the "wishers", is wrongheaded, in my opinion. Blame the mistakes on where they are made, with * and his oil-obsessed cronies who are trying to rip off all Americans.

[KoKo]

9. Pete, I hope my post about UN Res. didn't cause you to post this....I

did explain in the thread about where I was coming from. I had some posters who thought I was "not supporting the troops," when that wasn't the point of my post at all. It was about how Bush will go about gettin g the UN to go along with him (if you read the post I attached a news story). The way we do things can be "honorable and above board.." or sneaky the way he's trying to use the hand picked Iraqi Governing Council to petition the UN for troops when in fact the IGC is our puppet. Instead of honestly saying...."We are in over our heads, and we need help from the UN," he tries to have is cake and eat it too.

If he gets a resolution on the basis that America's Puppet Govt. in Iraq (IRC)is asking for help and since it's the Iraqi Government asking, not the US then the UN doesn't have to feel that it's supporting the US (as Occupier) and should authorize sending in it's own troops or urging other countries to go in. But, the UN or other troops are STILL tools of the Occupiers not the UN.

Anyway, sorry if I mistakenly thought you were taking issue with my post.

Edited: tyos.

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[KoKo]

14. If he swindles UN into Iraq, and Economy picks up/ Toast for Us...BUT

the economy is only being held up by a "house of cards" and a desperate Supply Side group who have "resources" to make the Stock Market look good and he has thugs who are not reporting the true numbers......so he might squeek by for awhile longer.....I don't know if he can make it to next Summer....but they will try.

And then, he swindles the UN into Iraq....we are in deep trouble.

Here's my post if your interested about what he's proposing to try to get the UN to do:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=210143

[oneighty]

12. I agree!

It would be great if the UN took over. Oil fields go back to the Iraqi

people. A democratic government of, by and for the people of Iraq

is established. US military comes home. All the killing stops!

And perhaps the same type of program will make peace between Palestine

and Israel with UN peace keepers in both areas the world would be a better place.

Should Mr. Bush* get that done I will be pleased.

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[Brian Sweat]

13. Yes, I am often conflicted by this very problem

I want so desperately for Schleprock to fail, but in his failure lies the suffering of many including possibly myself.

[PATRICK]

15. national rope-a-dope

Having no real ability to solve any of the people or nation's real poblems, Bush holds up his gloves, protects himself and says "Bring 'em on!" Curiously it is the nation that gets slugged out while Bush exercises zero response, zero, sensitivity, no ability to dance. Others do that for him. The audience takes the body blows.

After we are exhausted or bored, Bush springs into action landing his punches on people who have pissed him off, another fight entirely. Entangled in the Bush agenda we struggle on against our "common foe" for our "common goals" for our "common ideals".

While the fully protected pResident does his own thing. The disconnect is beginning to piss people to off, but as long as we (and reality) are suckered into his peculiar driven rules guess who is the eventual loser?

[alcuno]

16. No way do I want the current Iraq policy to succeed.

That would just be validation for them to go in somewhere else and do it again. Give it over to the UN. And another thing. I keep hearing Republicans saying that Democrats are just complaining and not offering any solutions. I'm so sick and tired of Republicans CREATING problems and then pointing at Democrats for the solution.

[KoKo]

17. Pete, where are the economic numbers you saw that are good...? You

posted that numbers were good......but most of us here don't see it...so I wondered what you saw. If it's good news I missed please pass along!!

Seriously.....

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[newsguyatl]

20. i respectfully disagree

[remfan]

22. Not wishing, just watching it happen

I do take a wee bit of satisfaction in seeing their policies FAIL, and I won't apologize for it. I am damn sick and tired of walking on eggshells around the GOP and middle America. I've watched this entire fiasco for nearly 3 years, from one disastrous policy to another, and every time they trip and stumble, I grin from ear to ear for a brief moment.

Besides, they were the ones that used the Iraq invasion as a political weapon in the 2002 mid-terms, they were the ones that used the WoT as a political wedge issue, and they were the ones that exploited 9/11 for political gain.