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Melodybe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 02:44 PM Original message |
Science is a tool and religion is a crutch, Religious discussion CONT... |
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sangh0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 02:47 PM Response to Original message |
1. Religion is a "crutch"? |
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jay-3d (240 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 02:51 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. Jesus |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 02:54 PM Response to Reply #5 |
10. helpful. |
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sangh0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 02:56 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. OMFG!! |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 02:57 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. heh! |
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CatWoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 10:00 PM Response to Reply #14 |
106. or possums!!!! |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-24-04 01:15 PM Response to Reply #106 |
118. LOL! |
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chiburb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 03:10 PM Response to Reply #12 |
30. The Lord works in mysterious ways.....n/t |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 02:55 PM Response to Reply #1 |
11. No, it's not terribly nice |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 02:49 PM Response to Original message |
2. I disagree here. |
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Melodybe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 02:52 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. What about string theory? |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 02:53 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. I have to claim a pretty serious ignorance there. |
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Melodybe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 02:59 PM Response to Reply #9 |
15. Here's a link |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 03:02 PM Response to Reply #15 |
16. but how is that religious? n/t |
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Endangered Specie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 03:07 PM Response to Reply #16 |
24. Although mathmatically its works in theory... |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 03:08 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. but not all that requires faith is religion. |
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Endangered Specie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 03:12 PM Response to Reply #27 |
34. ... |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 03:17 PM Response to Reply #34 |
40. ok, |
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Endangered Specie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 03:21 PM Response to Reply #40 |
45. Im not sure I understand... |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 03:22 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. this doesn't necessarily follow. |
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Endangered Specie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 03:28 PM Response to Reply #46 |
49. There are things like cults... |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 04:35 PM Response to Reply #49 |
91. I'm not talking about cults |
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porphyrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 03:11 PM Response to Reply #24 |
32. Can't prove it yet, that's why it's theory... |
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Endangered Specie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 03:14 PM Response to Reply #32 |
36. Except the "Tests" you refer to... |
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porphyrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 03:20 PM Response to Reply #36 |
44. Correct. |
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Endangered Specie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 03:24 PM Response to Reply #44 |
47. True, math is a one way test... |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 03:04 PM Response to Reply #15 |
19. It's A Theory That's Based On Mathematical Calculations |
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midwayer (719 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 09:04 PM Response to Reply #15 |
97. Science vs Religion |
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pmbryant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 03:05 PM Response to Reply #6 |
20. String theory isn't very scientific, at least right now |
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sangh0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 03:09 PM Response to Reply #20 |
29. String "theory" isn't really a theory |
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Endangered Specie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 03:28 PM Response to Reply #29 |
51. Glad you pointed that out. |
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bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 09:51 PM Response to Reply #20 |
102. Seems like most |
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msmcghee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 03:50 PM Response to Reply #6 |
74. Which string . . |
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Moonbeam_Starlight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 04:06 PM Response to Reply #6 |
82. String theory fascinates me |
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Trajan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 02:49 PM Response to Original message |
3. Isnt this called .... |
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Cronus Protagonist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 02:50 PM Response to Original message |
4. Science is religion |
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Melodybe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 02:52 PM Response to Reply #4 |
8. Thank you, I just posted about same thing. |
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jay-3d (240 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 03:05 PM Response to Reply #4 |
21. I think |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 03:07 PM Response to Reply #4 |
25. Yeah, The Difference Is, Quantum Theory Works. |
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pmbryant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 03:09 PM Response to Reply #4 |
28. Quantum theory close to agreeing with a lot of religions? |
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Cronus Protagonist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 03:14 PM Response to Reply #28 |
35. Study some more and get back to me |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 03:26 PM Response to Reply #35 |
48. I think YOU need to study some more |
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DrWeird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 03:35 PM Response to Reply #35 |
57. I actually have studied quantum mechanics. |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 03:38 PM Response to Reply #35 |
60. Pssst! Quit While You're behind... |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 10:03 PM Response to Reply #60 |
107. Who gives a shit? |
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pmbryant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 03:45 PM Response to Reply #35 |
69. Very funny |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 03:34 PM Response to Reply #4 |
56. yet QED and not faith makes computers possible. n/t |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 09:57 PM Response to Reply #56 |
104. When was the last time you saw an electron? nt |
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Worst Username Ever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 02:52 PM Response to Original message |
7. Not so much a crutch, so much as the proverbial "opiate..." |
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bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 10:07 PM Response to Reply #7 |
109. maybe the answer is to teach more physics earlier |
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Terran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 02:56 PM Response to Original message |
13. Religion should be a tool... |
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DaveClearwater99 (61 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 03:03 PM Response to Reply #13 |
17. They have merged. |
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TowelBoy (142 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 03:03 PM Response to Original message |
18. Well I like my crutch! |
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jedicord (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 03:05 PM Response to Original message |
22. Darwinism vs. Creationism |
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K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 03:10 PM Response to Reply #22 |
31. because you are mixing religion and science and not satisfying either |
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jedicord (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 03:19 PM Response to Reply #31 |
42. Actually, nope, 'cause I think the Bible is a book written by Men |
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troublemaker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 09:31 PM Response to Reply #42 |
100. Please name something "science can't explain" |
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sangha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-24-04 12:53 PM Response to Reply #100 |
115. OK |
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K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 03:06 PM Response to Original message |
23. And metaphors are lies. |
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Alpha Wolf (169 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 03:07 PM Response to Original message |
26. Please clarify... |
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bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 10:21 PM Response to Reply #26 |
110. you aren't asking me, but |
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liberalmuse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 03:11 PM Response to Original message |
33. The patterns we see in the universe... |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 03:36 PM Response to Reply #33 |
59. theres no survival value in seeing patterns where there are none |
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DjTj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 03:16 PM Response to Original message |
37. Stephen Hawking isn't so sure... |
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Fed Up (443 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 03:16 PM Response to Original message |
38. somehow I can't picture people still going to church in 5,000 years. |
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kittykitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 09:56 PM Response to Reply #38 |
103. I can't even imagine there will be people here in 5,000 years! nt |
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( posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 03:17 PM Response to Original message |
39. Heisenberg Uncertainty principle |
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Endangered Specie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 03:39 PM Response to Reply #39 |
61. How? may I ask? |
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( posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 03:43 PM Response to Reply #61 |
68. It says that the observer affects the observed |
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Endangered Specie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 03:57 PM Response to Reply #68 |
76. Actually, that question is being addressed... |
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( posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 04:01 PM Response to Reply #76 |
78. Read carefully what I wrote and you'll see that I did not |
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Endangered Specie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 04:10 PM Response to Reply #78 |
85. ok, guess it depends on how one reads it... |
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pmbryant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 04:06 PM Response to Reply #68 |
81. Clarification |
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( posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 04:10 PM Response to Reply #81 |
84. Thanks, that's what I meant actually |
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Endangered Specie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 03:18 PM Response to Original message |
41. I see Religion and Science filling two different roles... |
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RichardRay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 03:19 PM Response to Original message |
43. Which of you 'scientists' isn't based on faith? |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 03:28 PM Response to Reply #43 |
50. Gripe, Gripe, Gripe. |
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sangh0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 03:29 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. How do you know there is math for this |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 03:32 PM Response to Reply #52 |
54. Actually, I do know the actual math. |
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RichardRay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 03:42 PM Response to Reply #54 |
65. jI sincerely doubt that, tho I could be wrong |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 08:27 PM Response to Reply #65 |
95. The Underlying Unprovable Assumption Behind Everything Mathematical |
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RichardRay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-24-04 02:17 PM Response to Reply #95 |
123. Sorry not good enough. |
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sangh0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 03:48 PM Response to Reply #54 |
72. Do you know the math to string theory? If yes, please provide the proof |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 04:00 PM Response to Reply #72 |
77. I didn't say anything about string theory. |
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sangh0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 04:10 PM Response to Reply #77 |
83. No, you didn't, but string theory is part of the discussion |
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pmbryant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 04:18 PM Response to Reply #83 |
88. Computers/quantum physics |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 08:11 PM Response to Reply #88 |
93. Thank You. |
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sangha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-24-04 12:51 PM Response to Reply #93 |
114. You've missed the point - Most religious people aren't American Christians |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 08:15 PM Response to Reply #83 |
94. Oh... And. |
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sangha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-24-04 12:54 PM Response to Reply #94 |
116. The first computers were mechanical, not electrical |
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RichardRay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-24-04 02:27 PM Response to Reply #77 |
125. I tried to be polite... |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-24-04 03:20 PM Response to Reply #125 |
128. Oh, blow me. |
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Endangered Specie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 03:33 PM Response to Reply #43 |
55. I think thats a little bit overstating... |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 03:41 PM Response to Reply #55 |
64. Second That... |
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Endangered Specie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 03:46 PM Response to Reply #64 |
70. My trust in science is based on evidence and history. |
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sangh0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 03:49 PM Response to Reply #70 |
73. And that's EXACTLY what my religious beliefs are based on |
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Endangered Specie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 04:03 PM Response to Reply #73 |
79. Intersting "religion" you have... |
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sangh0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 04:14 PM Response to Reply #79 |
86. Not based "purely" on faith |
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RichardRay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-24-04 02:14 PM Response to Reply #79 |
122. Requirement for faith a Christian concept |
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Endangered Specie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 03:47 PM Response to Reply #64 |
71. They werent wrong |
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sangh0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 04:15 PM Response to Reply #71 |
87. We are discussing "religion", not "the Catholic Church" |
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Endangered Specie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 04:31 PM Response to Reply #87 |
90. Im not smearing religion... |
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sangha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-24-04 12:54 PM Response to Reply #90 |
117. You're right |
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troublemaker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 09:44 PM Response to Reply #43 |
101. This is a misunderstanding of "faith" |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 10:05 PM Response to Reply #43 |
108. I also find it odd that something's existence could possibly be proved |
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Big Blue Marble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 03:31 PM Response to Original message |
53. Science as it is today has given us for the first time in |
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Endangered Specie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 03:36 PM Response to Reply #53 |
58. Do you want me to list the good things science has brought us? |
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Big Blue Marble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 03:39 PM Response to Reply #58 |
62. I am not bashing science. I have a great deal of respect for the honest |
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Endangered Specie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 03:43 PM Response to Reply #62 |
66. Umm, humans are the ones who use science for good or bad... |
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Big Blue Marble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 04:27 PM Response to Reply #66 |
89. Are we not intrinsically bound to our endeavors of science and religion? |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 03:50 PM Response to Reply #62 |
75. Greed, Stupidity and Short-Sightedness have done that... |
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Endangered Specie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 04:05 PM Response to Reply #75 |
80. Thats a rather blunt way of putting it |
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Big Blue Marble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 05:05 PM Response to Reply #75 |
92. Science without a spiritual foundation may not save us this time. |
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DjTj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 03:41 PM Response to Reply #53 |
63. Welcome to DU! |
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Big Blue Marble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 03:43 PM Response to Reply #63 |
67. Even if the root beer flavor is artificial! |
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bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 10:29 PM Response to Reply #53 |
111. "Religion with all its flaws" |
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gulliver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 08:32 PM Response to Original message |
96. I like Feynman's answer. |
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troublemaker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 09:58 PM Response to Reply #96 |
105. That's a typical scientific back-handed sop |
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gulliver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 10:49 PM Response to Reply #105 |
112. Science and religion are not separate, IMO. |
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dave29 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-24-04 12:36 PM Response to Reply #112 |
113. Thanks for bringing up Feynman |
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midwayer (719 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 09:08 PM Response to Original message |
98. Science vs Religion |
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Bake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 09:15 PM Response to Original message |
99. I'll take both, thank you very much |
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opihimoimoi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-24-04 01:44 PM Response to Original message |
119. Like the spermota traveling the Fallopian Tube, we Humans have no clue |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-24-04 01:54 PM Response to Reply #119 |
120. three years later |
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opihimoimoi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-24-04 02:50 PM Response to Reply #120 |
126. Its been FUN...ain't it though? |
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124. ok, who out there |
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thistle (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-24-04 02:57 PM Response to Original message |
127. I don't think science will answer all our questions, and I don't think |
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