Is this just too obvious?

[Rainbowreflect]

We need to take a page from the VRWC playbook. Every single dem needs to say, every single chance they get, that bush lied. He lied and our young people died as well as thousands of people in Iraq. He knowing lied to the people of this country. He and his administration are criminals and should be behind bars. We cannot back down, we cannot waffle, we cannot give them one second of peace on this issue. We must all be pitbulls for our country, or somehthing like that.

[skip2mylou]

1. I agree...

but could it back fire? What if they come back and say that by not doing anything, the Iraqi people would be dying at the hand of Saddam, then for another generation with the sons.

We have to be careful, or it will be perceived as we want to give Saddam a pass. And that could be made into a catchy slogan by the VRWC and used against us.

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[Terran]

5. Excuse me?

Um,in case you hadn't noticed, they're already doing that--removing Saddam for huamitarian reasons has become the sole remaining reason being given for the invasion. So I suggest you not worry about that part too much, it's easy to counter (i.e., the chaos and death we've inflicted on Iraq is worse than what was happening before AND America had no right to decide to remove a foreign power pre-emptively AND why haven't we invaded North Korea or China or any other human right violators? Why didn't we invade the Soviet Union to free Eastern Europe?)

This will be no VLWC--it's merely repeating a basic truth ad infinitum. Nobody has to secretly tape record anybody else's phone calls, as happened in the VRWC (in fact there would have been no conspiracy against Clinton *without* those illegally gotten tapes) to get this truth out there--it's out there already.

[skip2mylou]

10. If the US is perceived as weak...

by NK or China, we will get slapped again. Maybe not by them directly, but a connection will be made. And we will have to rally again to get the sheeple to listen.

Now that it has happened, hopefully that chaos will be replaced by something less chaotic. And there will not be tortures, too.

[Rose Siding]

12. We never got slapped because anyone thought we were weak.

And looking strong is NOTHING compared to being strong. The shock and awe military tactic does only that. Temporarily.

Trust must be built as in 'we trust you not to take over our country'.

[skip2mylou]

13. We will get slapped again...

when some group believes that the US will do nothing in return.

The trust comes from knowing that if you slap the US, you might or might not get slapped in return.

That version of trust is not very realistic, unfortunately.

[sendero]

15. uh...

... do you think Iraq was a "slap"? Do you think that we were punishing Iraq for 9/11? Because nobody with any credibility thinks Iraq had *anything* to do with 9/11. Do you?

[Rose Siding]

17. Baloney

If that were true, Nagasaki would have been the last place we bombed.

The hateful, viscious, criminal act on 911 didn't happen because "they" thought we wouldn't retaliate.

The US responses, certainly anticipated by the few perpetrators (if they are who we've been led to believe), are only welcomed because they plant the seeds of hate in some and fan the flames of rage in others.

[sirshack]

3. So are you asking....

...for the creation of a Vast Left Wing Conspiracy? If you're taking a page out of the book of the VRWC, well......one poster said it earlier, it may backfire.

[Rainbowreflect]

4. I am saying we have to stop being whimps.

If they ask if we want Sadam back in power. We can say of course not, but their were better was to do it that would cost far fewer lives. Then get right back to the issue at hand, which is bush lied, people died.

[Submariner]

7. I think we're all on the same page with ya Rainbowreflect

bc I want to see the chimpy team gone also. But look how far we have come in just the past 2 months. AWOL-boys poll numbers are falling and we 15 more months to whittle that pudknocker down to size.

I'm satisfied for now with the Kerry and Dean approaches to come out with a bitch-slap or two a week. We don't want to get too hysterical and look like the loonie pugs.

We feel your pain...or maybe I'm just more sedated than you. :)

[Rainbowreflect]

9. Maybe I just need to be sedated.

At least some days. Today I am pissed.

[chadm]

16. why not put sadam back...

over the past year, he has a lot better track record than our government.

[trof]

6. They just can't bring themselves to use the "L" word.

I don't know if it's ass covering or what.
They dance around it, and take tangential shots at it.
But so far, nobody will step up and say "BUSH LIED."

[trof]

8. See? Even here.

Dean quote from another thread:
The former Vermont governor, who opposed the war, added: "The only other possibility, which is unthinkable, is that the president of the United States knew himself that this was a false fact and he put it in the State of the Union anyhow. I hope for the sake of this country that did not happen."

What to do?

[liberalhistorian]

11. That's because, doncha know,

Clinton's lying about his getting a blow job in the Oral-uh, I mean, Oval- Office was SO MUCH WORSE than lying about WMD to get us into a war that killed US soldiers and thousands of Iraqis! I mean, come one, where's your sense of perspective and proportion? Smirk never NEVER lies, he only does what he thinks is best for the country and if he deliberately lied to get us into a war we had no business being in, it was only for the good of the country! But Clinton lying about a blow job-now THAT is truly criminal, dangerous, and unacceptable!

Sarcasm OFF!

btw, remember when the repuke RW wingnuts kept repeating the mantra, over and over again, "It's not the sex, it's the lying?" (Never mind the fact that the sex was no one else's business to begin with)! Well, it appears that they can dish it out but they can't take even a tiny spoonful of their own medicine. I guess when THEIR man lies about something far more significant, it doesn't matter because he had good reasons and it was all for the good of the country! Well, maybe we should start saying something like "It's not the lack of WMD'S, it's the LYING!"

[Vitruvius]

14. You are so right. It's called STAYING ON MESSAGE,

and it's as old as the hills, still effective, and absolutely VITAL.

Time was when "staying on message" and pounding the Rethugnicans was second nature to Democrats. But the current crop of DLC wimps are too nicey-nice to call a Rethug liar a liar. They could use some lessons from FDR, HST, JFK -- if only they were available. In the meantime, James Carville is excellent....

Vitruvius

P.S: The only reason people think it's "VRWC techique" is that the VRWC remembers what Democrats have forgotten -- how to make a point and hammer it home so it sticks.

[JNelson6563]

19. haha but now I see it failing

for them.

Sometime today I was flipping through the channels and saw a "debate" between a Rep. op. and a Dem op. For the Rep. to be parroting the usual mantra when the Simian screws up and there is criticism, "this is just the extreme leftist liberals...", I am delighted.

First of all, I don't think anyone buys that, secondly, a lot of regular folks, swing voters, apoliticals, etc. might not apppreciate being labelled an "extreme" anything.

Loudmouth Rep. operatives willing to blather the party line and alienate all sorts of folks headin' into primary season is fine with me. Fools that they are.

Julie

[LiberalLibra]

18. I AGREE and I do EVERY TIME Bush comes up in conversation......

.....especially with them there neo cons. Sometimes I will simply think aloud when I see a picture of the boy king on a magazine cover why saying, "I can't wait until Nov 2004 so we can send that idiotic lieing jerk back to Tex - ass." Believe it or not I'm getting more and more agreements these days.