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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 12:22 PM
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Coincidence? HERSH says new article coming. Admission Geneva conventions
were violated.... hmmmmmm
It was shown on CNN this morning.
I stayed up until 2 a.m. last night watching Hersh's speech to the ACLU...very good and dramatic as always.
Then today, looky here... an admission.....
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AFSCME girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 12:54 PM
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1. Very interesting indeed!
B*sh=toast!!!!!!!! :kick:
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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 01:04 PM
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2. SEE 'Making Torture Legal' in NY Review of Books ... Anthony Lewis

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/17230

Volume 51, Number 12 · July 15, 2004
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Feature
Making Torture Legal
By Anthony Lewis
1.
Reading through the memoranda written by Bush administration lawyers on how prisoners of the "war on terror" can be treated is a strange experience. The memos read like the advice of a mob lawyer to a mafia don on how to skirt the law and stay out of prison. Avoiding prosecution is literally a theme of the memoranda. Americans who put physical pressure on captives can escape punishment if they can show that they did not have an "intent" to cause "severe physical or mental pain or suffering." And "a defendant could negate a showing of specific intent...by showing that he had acted in good faith that his conduct would not amount to the acts prohibited by the statute."

These quotations are from a draft report to Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld by an ad hoc group of lawyers he chose, mostly political appointees in the Defense and other departments, to advise him on interrogation techniques for prisoners at Guantánamo Bay. The report is dated March 6, 2003; on the title page it says, "Classified by: Secretary Rumsfeld."

Another theme in the memoranda, an even more deeply disturbing one, is that the President can order the torture of prisoners even though it is forbidden by a federal statute and by the international Convention Against Torture, to which the United States is a party.

The idea that presidential power overrides treaties and congressional laws appeared soon after the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001. John Yoo, a professor at the University of California in Berkeley, was then a deputy assistant attorney general. He wrote several memos in late 2001 and then, in collaboration with Robert J. Delahunty, another Justice Department lawyer, an important paper dated January 9, 2002. It was addressed to the Defense Department's general counsel, William J. Haynes II. "Restricting the President's plenary power over military operations (including the treatment of prisoners)" would be "constitutionally dubious," the memo said.

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The Defense Department memorandum of March 2003 incorporated the ideas and much of the language in the Bybee memo. It expressed the idea of impervious presidential power in sweeping terms:

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In order to respect the President's inherent constitutional authority to manage a military campaign,... (the prohibition against torture) must be construed as inapplicable to interrogations undertaken pursuant to his Commander-in-Chief authority.... Congress may no more regulate the President's ability to detain and interrogate enemy combatants than it may regulate his ability to direct troop movements on the battlefield.... Any effort by Congress to regulate the interrogation of unlawful combatants would violate the Constitution's sole vesting of the Commander-in-Chief authority in the President.

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much more......





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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 01:30 PM
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3. I stopped my subscription to the Review... I miss it every day. I
was planning to move abroad in May and then I postponed until December. I should have re-subscribed.
Great article. Thanks.
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Wind Dancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 01:33 PM
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4. Are you leaving us for good?
You don't have to answer if you don't feel comfortable, not trying to be personal but was shocked to read that.
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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 02:09 PM
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5. Yeah. Going to Germany. But I am glad I will be here for the elections.
I know my vote for Kerry/Edwards won't count in Kansas but I will be trying to help other candidates (i.e., Nancy Boyda to replace Jim Ryan, and locals)
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Wind Dancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 02:17 PM
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6. I am thankful you will be here
Edited on Thu Jul-15-04 02:18 PM by FrustratedDemInNC
through the elections, too. So glad we have the internet, you'll be chatting on DU from your new home soon.

Congratulations!
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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 02:18 PM
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7. It is going to be rather different for me. But at the same time it is
exciting. Thanks.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 02:39 PM
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8. I hope to heaven that he includes some of what he said in his
remarks to the ACLU conference. MAN we need to see/hear that in black & white, in print somewhere. Only then will the other media people start picking up on it.

Much as the whole idea disgusts me, I hope and pray that the rest of the Abu Ghraib photos/videos are let loose upon the public. Especially the torture/rape of UNDER-AGE prisoners. INNOCENTS - who were targeted exclusively to "get" a parent or other family member. Dear Lord, we need that information to get out and see the light of day!!!!
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gasperc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 02:44 PM
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9. schreeching Iraq kids being sodomized at Abu Graib sounds horrific
Edited on Thu Jul-15-04 02:45 PM by gasperc
that should send Bush's support through the floor
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