"WWIII started in Nov. 1979"

[question everything]

with the hostage taking in Iran "The attack on this sovereign U. S. embassy set the stage for events to follow for the next 23 years." Says an email which details the following terror attacks against the U.S. and the bad responses, of course, until our Savior Junior... etc.

But... what about the attack on U.S. embassy in the Sudan when two Americans were taken hostages and murdered? It was in 1973 or 1974... What about Black September hijacking of several 747s in 1970? I don't remember the flags but if one was an American, that, too, was an attack on American soil.

Can anyone help me find more details? One of the hostages name was Clay, or Clayton.. also Moore... Clayton Moore?

Thanks.

[Wilber_Stool]

1. Hi Oh Silver, Away! n/t

[Toucano]

11. That reference wasn't lost on all of us. LOL! n/t

[Valerie5555]

2. There was also the "Valentine's Day Open House" in 02 - 79 when that

same embassy building was stormed and it's embassy staff was momentarily taken hostage.


The American Ambassador in that case was a fellow by the name of Bill Sullivan, and in relation to that incident, I couldn't help but get the impression he reacted more calmly and Presidentially than * did on September 11,2001.

[question everything]

10. This is the email. I did not "circulate" it but replied

the following:

Of course, in 1970 Black September hijacked several TWA and PanAm planes - which were "American soil." And in 1974 - I think, or 1975 - two U.S. ambassadors in the Sudan were kidnapped and murdered.

And the whole litany of attacks during the 1980s occured under Reagan's administration - long before AD might have started - but these would interfere with the neat empty propaganda

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For those who suggest that the invasion of Iraq has made the world less safe, consider the following argument - that World War III began in November 1979... The alarm has been ringing for years.

How can anyone can take the position that all we have to do is bring our troops home from Iraq, sit back, re-set the snooze alarm, go back to sleep, and no one will ever bother us again?

U.S. Navy Captain Ouimette is the Executive Officer at Naval Air Station, Pensacola, Florida. Here is a copy of a speech he gave last month. It is an account of why we are in so much trouble today and why US military action is so necessary.

AMERICA NEEDS TO WAKE UP!

That's what we think we heard on the 11th of September 2001 (When more than 3,000 Americans were killed.) and maybe it was, but I think it should have been "Get Out of Bed!" In fact, I think the alarm clock has been buzzing since 1979 and we have continued to hit the snooze button and roll over for a few more minutes of peaceful sleep since then.

It was a cool fall day in November 1979 in a country going through a religious and political upheaval when a group of Iranian students attacked and seized the American Embassy in Tehran. This seizure was an outright attack on American soil; it was an attack that held the world's most powerful country hostage and paralyzed a Presidency. The attack on this sovereign U. S. embassy set the stage for events to follow for the next 23 years.

America was still reeling from the aftermath of the Vietnam experience and had a serious threat from the Soviet Union when then, President Carter, had to do something. He chose to conduct a clandestine raid in the desert. The ill-fated mission ended in ruin, but stood as a symbol of America's inability to deal with terrorism.

America's military had been decimated and downsized/right sized since the end of the Vietnam War. A poorly trained, poorly equipped and poorly organized military was called on to execute a complex mission that was
doomed from the start.

Shortly after the Tehran experience, Americans began to be kidnapped and killed throughout the Middle East. America could do little to protect her citizens living and working abroad. The attacks against US soil continued.

In April of 1983 a large vehicle packed with high explosives was driven into the US Embassy compound in Beirut. When it exploded, it killed 63 people. The alarm went off again and America hit the Snooze Button once more.

Then just six short months later a large truck heavily laden down with over 2500 pounds of TNT smashed through the main gate of the US Marine Corps headquarters in Beirut and 241 US servicemen are killed. America mourns her dead and hit the Snooze Button once more.

Two months later in December 1983, another truck loaded with explosives is driven into the US Embassy in Kuwait, and America continues her slumber.

The following year, in September 1984, another van was driven into the gates of the US Embassy in Beirut and America slept.

Soon the terrorism spreads to Europe. In April 1985 a bomb explodes in a restaurant frequented by US soldiers in Madrid.

Then in August a Volkswagen loaded with explosives is driven into the main gate of the US Air Force Base at Rhein-Main, 22 are killed and the snooze alarm is buzzing louder and louder as US interests are continually attacked.

Fifty-nine days later a cruise ship, the Achille Lauro is hijacked and we watched as an American in a wheelchair is singled out of the passenger list and executed.

The terrorists then shift their tactics to bombing civilian airliners when they bomb TWA Flight 840 in April of 1986 that killed 4 and the most tragic bombing, Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland in 1988, killing 259.

Clinton treated these terrorist acts as crimes; in fact we are still trying to bring these people to trial. These are acts of war.

The wake up alarm is getting louder and louder. The terrorists decide to bring the fight to America. In January 1993, two CIA agents are shot and killed as they enter CIA headquarters in Langley, Virginia.

The following month, February 1993, a group of terrorists are arrested after a rented van packed with explosives is driven into the underground parking garage of the World Trade Center in New York City. Six people are killed and over 1000 are injured. Still this is a crime and not an act of war?

The Snooze alarm is depressed again. Then in November 1995 a car bomb explodes at a US military complex in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia killing seven service men and women.

A few months later in June of 1996, another truck bomb explodes only 35 yards from the US military compound in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia. It destroys the Khobar Towers, a US Air Force barracks, killing 19 and injuring over 500. The terrorists are getting braver and smarter as they see that America does not respond decisively.

They move to coordinate their attacks in a simultaneous attack on two US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. These attacks were planned with precision. They kill 224. America responds with cruise missile attacks and goes back to sleep.

The USS Cole was docked in the port of Aden, Yemen for refueling on 12 October 2000, when a small craft pulled along side the ship and exploded killing 17 US Navy Sailors. Attacking a US War Ship is an act of war, but we sent the FBI to investigate the crime and went back to sleep.

And of course you know the events of 11 September 2001. Most Americans think this was the first attack against US soil or in America. How wrong they are. America has been under a constant attack since 1979 and we chose to hit the snooze alarm and roll over and go back to sleep.

In the news lately we have seen lots of finger pointing from every high officials in government over what they knew and what they didn't know. But if you've read the papers and paid a little attention I think you can see exactly what they knew. You don't have to be in the FBI or CIA or on the National Security Council to see the pattern that has been developing since 1979.

The President is right on when he says we are engaged in a war. I think we have been in a war for the past 23 years and it will continue until we as a people decide enough is enough.

America needs to "Get out of Bed" and act decisively now. America has been changed forever. We have to be ready to pay the price and make the sacrifice to ensure our way of life continues. We cannot afford to keep hitting the snooze button again and again and roll over and go back to sleep.

After the attack on Pearl Harbor, Admiral Yamamoto said "...it seems all we have done is awakened a sleeping giant." This is the message we need to disseminate to terrorists around the world.

Support Our Troops and support President Bush for having the courage, political or militarily, to address what so many who preceded him didn't have the backbone to do - both Democrat and Republican. This is not a political thing to be hashed over in an election year this is an AMERICAN thing. This is about our Freedom and the Freedom of our children in years to come.

Please forward this to any young people you know and all those who dozed off in history class and who seem so quick to protest such a necessary military action.

[Zen Democrat]

3. How about saying it started in 1953 when the CIA staged a coup

in Iran and installed the Shah to give us his oil. The Shah used his secret police, Savak, to terrorize the people and their hatred for him led to the uprising in 1979 that brought back the Ayatollah, who instituted a fundamentalist Muslim state.

But then, maybe it started when the politicians allowed the Palestian issue to foment for decades.

And, by the way, ask your friend why Reagan and Ollie North, et al, sold arms to Iran after the hostages were released. Does anybody remember Iran/Contra?

[IronLionZion]

4. or when they first found oil in the Middle East

or the movement for Israeli statehood

[question everything]

6. Yes, well, the email was detailing attacks on American targets

that continued until our cowboy declared these attacks as war.

For your and other examples here - you will have to go back to Great Britain that offered conflicting prizes to different people and to Churchill who shoved different ethnic groups into one state - Iraq - and who tore from it the oil rich Kuwait region to make it a separate country.

[salinen]

5. The 1972 Olympics

[AntiCoup2K4]

7. If you want to put it that way, you might as well say WWII never ended.

Sure Hitler "killed himself" and the Japanese surrendered, but those who funded the Third Reich - Prescott Bush and his buddies the Dulles Brothers - formed the CIA and started a war against the American people (and the rest of the planet) that has continued to this day. And now, with the PNAC agenda, they have returned to their original goal, a global fascist empire.

[nonkultur]

8. When did WWI end?

Are we not still dealing with the effects of breaking up the Ottoman empire and the Palestine mandate?

[Cat Atomic]

9. America needs to accept the fact that we've been at peace since

the end of WW2.

Every military action we've undertaken since then has been part of the endless war, and as long as we ignore that we'll keep getting suckered into corporate invasions in in the name of the war du jour.

Whether it's called the Cold War, or the War on Drugs, or the War on Terrorism, none were meant to be won. They're all open-ended, perpetual war garbage.

[Toucano]

12. I don't have your answer, but I've been thinking about those hostages

in the US embassy lately and thinking how not a single one of them was beheaded.