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DaveSZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 05:32 AM
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The most moving scene in F 9/11 for you?
For me, it was an unusual one.

When Bush's limo was pelted with eggs on the day of his inauguration, it gave me a glimmer of hope for our country.

The corporate media had never shown that scene, nor do I remember their showing the protests all along his inauguration route.
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Senior citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 05:34 AM
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1. The pictures of pre-war Iraq brought tears to my eyes.

This was a vibrant country. Iraqi females had higher education levels than females in any other middle-eastern Moslem country.

What we have done is unforgiveable.
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Mr_Scarecrow Donating Member (228 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 05:57 AM
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2. I swear
from the first second the movie started, I don't even remember what it was, I got chills. Some dread feeling ran all through my body, because I knew I was about to witness horror after horror. Last night I had powerful, terrible dreams about evil wizards chasing me and my wife (due with our second baby in one week and still had to go see it, bless her). She was crying two minutes in and basically didn't stop. I had this pit in my stomach the whole time. The faces of people who choose evil over good. Bastards. After the movie I had an idea for Moore's next: a Reagan film, a mock tribute to counter-act the shitstorm media suck-up after his death.
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anarchy1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 06:23 AM
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3. Interesting question. Up all night and still trying to wade through the
emotions. I do remember the footage of the limo being pelted with eggs but I had no idea so many people were on the street that day. The first ten minutes of the film probably were the ones that disturbed me the most along with the black out while you got to listen to the planes hit. Cried the most then, it was hard to stop and the manner in which he delivered was just film making at its best.
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 12:31 PM
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32. I was there... along with tens of thousands of others...
and it made me so angry when I saw no coverage of the protests on the news... They did a good job of barricading the marchers far back from the procession, but many of us got through... I finally got to the route at the end of the procession, and found myself amidst mink-laden women from Texas... Yelling "DUBYA" over and over, in which time I yelled "LIAR"... what a nightmare!
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 06:23 AM
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4. There were so many to pick from

but the one with the most irony was the ratification (RATification)
of the sElection. Gore having to rule out of order each and every
member of the black caucus from the House trying to object... and
needing only ONE member of the Senate to sign... and not getting
even one. Not that it would have helped, but damn... and Al Gore
having to rule each and every one of them out of order. That must
have been very hard on him.

Saddest for me was the scene of the American soldiers entering the
Iraqi house, finding the two women and asking about a teenage son..
and hearing the woman (mother, I'm guessing) plead with them not to
take him away... and it was fairly obvious that they got the wrong
guy... someone with a name similar to one they were looking for,
and god knows why they were looking for him in the first place.
(I think followup, if possible, would have been nice on this one).

Of course, then there is the death and dismemberment footage, and
the homefront family footage, and so on.

Most intolerable was Ashcroft singing.

And my overall impression was how utterly EVIL these bastards are
when the camera is on them but they know it won't be broadcast.
(Wolfie with his hair fixing is just nauseating... on many levels).

Sorry to spoil some of it for y'all. You probably have read
about all this in other threads.

I know that Oscar doesn't like to visit on consecutive years, but
Moore MUST win one for this one.

Plus I hope it makes him as much money as Passion did for Mel.

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easyreader Donating Member (82 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 06:33 AM
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5. Scene that made me stand up and yell "Yeah!!!"
At the end of the movie when Moore praises the kids who join our military and then says (paraphrasing) "all they ask is that they not be put in harms way without a good reason". So true and so powerful.
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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 08:49 AM
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15. I clapped for that and someone yelled "don't clap for that"
Edited on Sat Jun-26-04 08:52 AM by vickiss
I agree, very powerful statement.


I was moved by whole film, but I guess most moving were the before bombing scenes and then the children's dead bodies.

Intense.
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Killarney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 07:07 AM
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6. Lila. All Lila.
I cried for her.
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camby Donating Member (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 07:10 AM
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7. I agree with you
I felt so sorry for her. And then I wanted to sock that bitch who walked up to her outside the White House and declared that she and the other woman were just set-ups. Typical brainwashed repug.
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Tight_rope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 02:04 PM
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45. My thoughts exactly...
Edited on Sat Jun-26-04 02:05 PM by Tight_rope
I bet that bitch didn't have any loves in the military. Not that I do either, but I know damn better then to even make any comments about understanding the feeling of someone who is grieving when I haven't been in their shoes. But you said it best, the "TYPICAL BRAINWASHED REPUG", who only cares that she can still shop at Bloomingdales and Saks 5th Avenue.:puke::puke::puke:
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Blue Gardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 07:29 AM
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11. Her reading the letter
And in front of the White House. Then think of multiplying that by the 850 or so other sets of parents in the same boat.
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GumboYaYa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 09:29 AM
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19. In front of the White House after she talked to the Repuke
disruptor. She said, "They don't know what they are talking about. I used to think I knew and now I ...." and she broke down crying. That destroyed me.
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Corgigal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 07:14 AM
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8. the sounds of the planes
As a gal from Westchester NY I knew that part would hit me in the gut. To imagine standing in Manhattan and hearing those sounds and you know people knew it was hitting the fan. It was to me, experiencing the horror of 9/11 on another level of my senses. No matter how many times I have seen the planes hitting the towers, the sound was never heard like it was in this movie for me.
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ontheMark Donating Member (83 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 07:22 AM
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9. Moved to laugh
Wolfie sucking on that comb. Great for a MoveON add.
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 07:27 AM
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10. the poor kids signing up for the military
and the footage of some of the soldiers when they finally understood what war really was about. I thought the grief and fear of the Iraqi people was going to hit me the hardest. As those scenes were playing out I could not stop crying. But at the end it was our own kids being used that hurt the most.
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Bronco69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 07:36 AM
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12. The most moving scene was definately Lila,
but I just got PISSED at that scene where those recruiters told that African American guy that they needed him to give them his name, phone #, address, etc. so that if he was already on their list they could take him off. As they walked away they say, "Got another one."
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soothsayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 11:25 AM
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20. I think they must get $$ for each name and number they get
Sure didn't make 'em look honorable, did it.

If not $$, they get some kind of credit for each name.
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cmf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 07:58 AM
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13. There were several
I remember that scene - I leaned over to my husband and said, "What do you think will happen if he manages to pull this off again?" You can bet I will be on a plane to DC to protest.

The congressional Black caucus. I could feel their anger and disgust.

The woman who lost her husband on 9/11. This reminded me that there are thousands of people who lost loved ones on that day who still have no good answers to why their loved ones died.

Pre-war Iraq. This was very touching because it put a face on war that I hadn't seen before.

And of course, Lila. I will never forget her.
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Tight_rope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 02:14 PM
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46. I cried at the part of Lila...and I'm still crying...that could have been
Edited on Sat Jun-26-04 02:15 PM by Tight_rope
any one of us. We can not predict the way the world will turn. I felt with all my heart that that lady was truly just one of hundreds and thousands of innocent victims who lost love one's to this unjust war. The Bushco have both American and Iraqi blood on their hands...and I don't care how many times they wash it with soap or bleach..."IT WILL NEVER COME OFF". The history books will also note that they have blood on their hands.
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Suspicious Donating Member (780 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 08:07 AM
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14. I expected to laugh
during the scene where Moore is trying to pass out armed services pamphlets to members of Congress - to recruit their sons/daughters.

When it actually came to that scene in the movie, however, I cried harder than ever. The looks on their faces were horrifying to me. There was a guy in the background in one scene while Moore was talking about the recruitment of Congress members' kids, and he was laughing. I sat there crying, because it hit me square that this was so amusing to them - that the sons and daughters, wives and husbands, brothers and sisters, uncles and aunts who are dying in Iraq for nothing will never be theirs, and how quaint that Michael Moore would be doing this. What folly.

I thought I was going to be sick.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 08:51 AM
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16. During that scene, there were people in the audience where I was...
..who gasped as thought they had no idea... well they probably had no idea!
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 05:44 PM
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68. I think the very end hit home the hardest
Where he talks about the sacrifice of the poorest of our Nation who willingly give their lives without question, the greatest gift of them to us.

I was blown away by that reality. The haves and have mores will never understand that, plastic patriots all.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 09:22 AM
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17. Believe it or not...no one wanted to leave the theater...
As the credits rolled people kept looking back over their shoulders to see if they were missing anything..

I watched the movie with a Republican...<sigh> First remark was, geeze this is a low budget movie, eh? Moore is making a bundle on this one. Always the $$$ for the (R) people. When I caught em napping, I gently gave em a nudge and said...(as they were bombing the Iraqi civilians.) Hmm...my hero, GWB.. Of course, I was dealing with someone that thought the SC had to decide who won the election because of a tie vote..Then there was Al Gore, dismissing the black contingent complaining of disenfranchisement. The (R) pipes up and says: where were the Democratic senators? Why didn't a demo sign their notice?...I said, I don't know! And I still don't.

I agree with everyone else. The most moving part of the movie was Lila..
She cinched it. The faith she held in the US armed service was frightening. (to me anyway) The betrayal and death of her son, will be a beacon lit in everyone's memory as a reminder. We won't forget and we won't give up on ridding the country of this republican plague. We owe that much to the innocents (our own soldiers) who have paid the price, the ultimate sacrifice for a LIE.
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 06:53 PM
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73. So what did they think afterwards? Anything? (Your Repub friend)
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 11:31 PM
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78. For now, all I can expect from em'...is to think
as time goes on revealing more in the public mainstream, it will become more believable or undeniable to them. Just like Nixon. Hard to tell if it is just a denial of convenience, or just plain blindness to Bush's corruption.

The common thread I find with these people is their preoccupation with money. All they do is talk about money all night/day long. It's as if nothing else exists or matters to them in the world.
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ucmike Donating Member (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 09:25 AM
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18. bush's smile. cheneys glare.
always seems like gw makes a statement then looks around to see if anyone believed what he just said. he smiles to himself like he's lying and he knows it and thinks he's getting away with it. if i was sitting at a table negotiating with him and he did that i'd walk away. anyone smiling like that is up to something. cheney glares at people-even when he smiles-like he's challenging them. creepy. i know moore picked less than flattering images, and it worked.

the most disturbing scene was when lila was challenged by the "this is all staged" woman. what a c*nt. i was in d.c. late last year and saw the woman sitting outside the whitehouse with her protest signs. some set up, she sat there for months waiting because michael moore and a woman who lost her son in the war would show up and film a movie. from what i saw that woman sat out there in front of the white house with her signs everyday.

i wanted to choke the shit out of that bitch. i wanted to choke the shit out of most of the people in the film, and i knew most of the information moore presented before i got there.

i have to say that i thought the first shots of the soldiers was not as sympathetic as moore has been saying in interviews. when they are discussing what music they listen too while killing people it comes off as arrogant and reenforces the idea of the u.s. military as a mindless killing machine. the scenes of troops taking pics of themselves with prisoners and messing with the dead body didn't do much to win "hearts and minds" either. he did come back around later when he was asking them their thoughts about the war. some of that was intense.
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Moonbeam_Starlight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 02:28 PM
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52. But later he does show a very sympathetic view of soldiers
when he takes up their cause, shows how they are recruited, shows their pain and confusion, shows their death and suffering and all the wounded soldiers who aren't talked about in the media.

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Gordon25 Donating Member (246 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 11:41 AM
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21. As a Vietnam vet...
Edited on Sat Jun-26-04 11:44 AM by Gordon25
...who protested the war after I came back, the gut wrenching truth of one line broke my heart all over again. A young soldier in Iraq, looking into the camera with that all too familiar thousand yard stare, murmuring: "You can't kill someone without killing a part of your own soul."
There are 135,000 American casualties in Iraq and God help their familes when they come home.

Political defeat is nowhere near enough. If there are no war crimes trials there will never again be an America worth believing in and we will have, as a nation, betrayed every American sacrifice from WW II through the present.

May God grant that Bush and his minions, and all who continue to support him, find their dreams filled with the images of the dead and mangled children who will forever bear mute witness to this administration's war crimes.

Forgive my rage. After thirty plus years of trying to heal I had hoped never to have to experience it again.

Gordon25

(On edit: please excuse me for repeating myself. I posted this response on another thread but I feel compelled to keep shouting it to the world and it seemed appropriate here)
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 11:43 AM
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22. Thanks for your service and for speaking out. *hug*
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 11:59 AM
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25. Thank you Gordon25 for your post . . .
and your service to our nation. :hug:
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 12:07 PM
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27. Gordon please feel free to share as much as you like.
And, THANK YOU for doing so. :hug:
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Gordon25 Donating Member (246 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 12:26 PM
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31. Thank you all
Being able to communicate to people who understand and don't consider my emotions to be over blown or over reaction really helps. Just like Vietnam, it is the lies used to justify an unjust war which will condem our returning vets to months and years of nighmares, self consuming rage, and self hate. For that alone, if for no other reason, Bush and his crew should be found guilty of treason.

Gordon25
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 12:42 PM
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36. I also see the parellels to Vietnam.
I have much idea what the Vets will go through so I appreciate your sharing with us first hand.

I say communicate, communicate, communicate!

I demonstrated against the war side by side with vets who were opposed.

http://www.vaiw.org/vet/index.php
http://www.veteransforpeace.org/

Interestinlgy enough, my dad is a vietnam vet, but we haven't talked about Iraq much. Maybe I'll take him to the movie ey?!

I am so glad you are sharing here. And, I hope you'll do so every chance you get.

Peace my friend Gordon.

:hi:
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no name no slogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 12:59 PM
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38. Blessed are the peacemakers Gordon25
Some of the antiwar movement's most credibible spokespeople are those who have been to war, and seen how it dehumanizes all of us. During the primary season, I was fortunate to work with a number of members of Veterans for Peace and found them to be outstanding advocates against the war. We are truly fortunate to have you on our side, speaking the truth to those who think diplomacy is best when practiced with weapons instead of words.

A couple years ago, I lost an uncle who had served in Vietnam. He was pulled out halfway through his second tour because he started getting a little "strange". For the next thirty years, this man who couldn't even sign his name, much less read, went through the ringer of society, only finding solace in the bottle. He helped ruin the lives of many of those who loved him, as the war had ruined his life. Finally the gods took him in his sleep one night after they decided he'd had enough of this world.

Thank you for your service to all of us, and for speaking out about the tragedies of war, and how it hurts ALL of us-- the dead and the survivors.

:thumbsup: :grouphug:
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lucky777 Donating Member (298 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 02:23 PM
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49. Thank You Gordon25, keep repeating till people understand
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Tight_rope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 02:24 PM
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50. Thank you Gordon for being a true hero...
My God bless you.
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leftist. Donating Member (740 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 03:01 PM
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59. re: "As a Vietnam vet..."
like many others i'm sure, i was moved enough by the film to sign up here and actually *participate* after lurking for some 3+ years.

Fahrenheit 9/11 is an *amazing* piece of art. others have already done more with their words here than i could do, so i'll just leave it to my two favourite quotes thus far ...

from this thread, thanks to Gordon25:
"Political defeat is nowhere near enough. If there are no war crimes trials there will never again be an America worth believing in and we will have, as a nation, betrayed every American sacrifice from WW II through the present."

and from "A British view on Fahrenheit 9-11", thanks to Domitan:

"Go feel the hate, motherfuckers. This isn’t a documentary, it’s a declaration of war."

thanks you guys. i look forward to posting here more often. peace.

... paris
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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-04 07:56 AM
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80. Welcome to the DU pOX !
:headbang:

:hi:

:toast:
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TexasSissy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 05:27 PM
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65. I hadn't realized there was that many casualties in Iraq.
Thanks for your viewpoint. It was enlightening.
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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-04 07:52 AM
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79. Thank you so very much Gordon, for all
you gave, sacrificed and have suffered for all of us.

I've dated and was married to several vets from Nam and hope I understand a little of what you have all gone thru. I tried too.


O8) :loveya: :hug: :yourock:
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 11:43 AM
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23. Images of the children killed and injured in Iraq
Especially the baby the man held up, saying something like, "What did he ever do to you?"
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Lizz612 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 11:54 AM
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24. There were two.
Those shots of the paper floating down from the towers, with the violin (I think) music. I don't really know why, but that really got to me. It was just so artistic in a documentary about politics.

The second was, as the credits were rolling and "Keep on Rockin in the Free World" was playing. I got really angry when I heard the lines
"There's one more kid that will never go to school
Never get to fall in love, never get to be cool."
mostly because it applied to so many kids.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 12:05 PM
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26. So many. Most of all the scenes showing the CBC calling Al Gore
Edited on Sat Jun-26-04 12:10 PM by mzmolly
"Mr. President" because it brought to light the fact that NONE OF THIS SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED. There should have been no move entitled F911. I should not have been sitting their watching that film, KWIM?

Further, the fact that the CBC could not get support from any Dems or Inde's or even R's in the senate. Though now I understand it would have been futile no matter what.

Pre-war Iraq.

The American Gestapo terrorizing innocent Iraqis and their children by taking away family members in the night.

The soldiers discussing the *music* they kill too. I was reminded of how young/ignorant/innocent they are. And, how they have to desensitize themselves to kill.

The soldier who tearfully indicated his former loyalty to the Republican Party and said he's now fighting for the Dems.

The child having his head sewn back on.

The scenes from Flint Michigan, which resemble places I've lived.

The recruiting of the poor.

The scenes from 911. The people crying. The chaos.

The entire movie was so moving.
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Mandate My Ass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 01:09 PM
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40. They were calling him Mr. President because
the veep also doubles as president of the Senate and can
break a tie, if needed. When he's in the role of president
of the Senate, he is addressed as Mr. President. :)
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 06:00 PM
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70. Ohhhh, learned something new today.
:hi:

Boy do I feel like a dip-shit. :P
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milkyway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 12:16 PM
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28. The Iraqi woman in anguish after family members had been bombed.
This is one of the opening scenes about the Iraq war. Lilla in similar grief closes the discussion of Iraq. The film shows that these two women are not enemies--the two women are on the same side, with bush and his cronies the true enemies.

For me, the scene of the Iraqi woman was incredibly powerful, perhaps because it was in a language I do not know. I stopped reading the subtitles, and just listened to her. You didn't need to understand a single word she said to know exactly what she meant.
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linazelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 01:28 PM
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44. Gut wrenching
Edited on Sat Jun-26-04 01:36 PM by linazelle

I cried during the movie when the poor Iraqi woman cried out saying they had no militia and asked why we were doing this to them, and then prayed that Iraq be avenged. I had never seen that footage but I was pained last year because I knew people like that were being harmed.
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AbbeyRoad Donating Member (848 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 02:35 PM
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54. That was the one for me too
By the time the film made it through the scenes of devastation in Iraq to the Iraqi woman in grief, I couldn't control my emotions anymore. The tears were flowing. I felt so ashamed.
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spooked Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 03:20 PM
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60. The Iraqi woman also made me the most emotional
She reminded me of my own grandmother, with a very similar voice.

When she was crying to Allah, and all that she could hope for was Allah to save them, and Allah please help us, and Allah please destroy their homes, I felt just a fraction of her despair. I am so sorry to live in a country that caused this much anguish on another human being.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 06:02 PM
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71. Yes, that tore my heart out.
:cry:
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Logansquare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 06:42 PM
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72. "We have had five funerals" n/t
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 12:19 PM
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29. Really
I was going to say the same thing. Although the Black Caucus scene was tear provoking and heart wrenching, I'd seen it live at the time and was emotionally prepared. The fact that the scumbag "press" never showed the hostile crowds throwing eggs at * on his big day speaks volumes. They are not into"news" if it reflects badly on their pet chimp, and they have protected him from day one. Remember, this was long before 9-11, folks. The favoritism toward * was in full throttle mode already.
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-04 08:30 AM
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82. Replace those eggs with hundreds of rocks...
and that's what Inauguration Day 2005 will be like, should things go ill. :cry:
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Mad_Dem_X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 12:22 PM
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30. There were so many
The sounds of the 9/11 attacks coupled with the dark screen, images of dead soldiers and civilians, the soldier's mom crying for her son...The shots of smug-looking Repukes had me fuming. I wanted to shout at the screen. Crisco John singing his little ditty had me in stitches. I also liked when Mike tried to get the congressmen to sign their own kids up for the military.

I'm planning to see it again next week with my sister.
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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 12:32 PM
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33. Welcome to DU, Mad_Dem_X
I'm going to see it again, too. I expect it to be even more gut-wrenching now that I know what to expect. :(
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Tight_rope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 02:41 PM
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56. I too plan to see it again and again and again...I will encourage many to
go with me. I went last night with my boyfriend and two friends. We've made plans to support the Clinton moview when it comes out too.
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Alex146 Donating Member (556 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 12:33 PM
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34. The roof is on fire
very powerful
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gulliver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 12:39 PM
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35. Lila and Ashcroft
Lila talking in their family room and reading the letter from her son. A lot of people were crying.

And I am in St. Louis, so when Moore joked about Ashcroft losing his Senate seat to a "dead guy," it brought the house down with laughter.
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AbbeyRoad Donating Member (848 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 02:38 PM
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55. I'm just across the border in Illinois...
and when they joked about Ashcroft losing to Carnahan there was insane laughter and applause.
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HuskerDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 12:50 PM
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37. So many scenes that hiit so hard
The woman who lost her husband of 15 years who had only his memory to live for. I am blessed to have that kind of love with my husband, and I could imagine it being me.

The little (girl?) with her arm blown apart.

Lila.

Bush smirking.

The soldiers who just want to go home but will wake up screaming in the night for the rest of their lives.

I'm still numb.
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 01:08 PM
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39. For me it was the scene with the CBC members, "The Senate is missing..."
Edited on Sat Jun-26-04 01:09 PM by scarletwoman
I knew that this had happened, I had read about it. But actually watching it unfold on camera (I don't have cable, so I never had a chance to see this before) was absolutely gut-wrenching. I felt like I was watching the exact moment of the death of our republic. It totally tore me up, and I still feel enraged that not ONE Senator signed for the CBC!

I was thrilled to see the footage of the protestors at the inauguration. Again, I knew this had happened and had read about it, but SEEING it, and seeing how HUGE a protest it was, was actually wonderfully affirming.

I knew that the corporate media had gone to great lengths to hide this massive act of dissent from the American people -- now, at last, people can see what was deliberately hidden, and understand who it was that hid it. The government and the media work hand in hand to treat the public like mushrooms -- keep them in the dark and feed them bullshit.

I was moved to tears throughout the movie by MANY scenes -- one would have to have a heart of stone not to be. But I have to say that what utterly seared me to my core was that CBC scene.

Because THAT singular act of cowardice and capitulation is what made all the other heartbreaking horrors not only possible, but inevitable.

sw


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serryjw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 01:18 PM
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42. Thank You! My exact response!
quote
I felt like I was watching the exact moment of the death of our republic. It totally tore me up, and I still feel enraged that not ONE Senator signed for the CBC!
------end quote

I like you don't have cable. I also KNEW it happened BUT seeing it made me crazy. I also beared witness to the death of our republic.
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Still_Loves_John Donating Member (688 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 02:24 PM
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51. Now thats enough
"I was moved to tears throughout the movie by MANY scenes -- one would have to have a heart of stone not to be. But I have to say that what utterly seared me to my core was that CBC scene.
Because THAT singular act of cowardice and capitulation is what made all the other heartbreaking horrors not only possible, but inevitable."

No it wouldn't have. They were filing a symbolic thing, it wouldn't have stopped Bush from becoming president. The Democrats had realized that they had lost, and were trying to restore some kind of unity to Washington, which makes it all the more disgusting that Bush didn't follow their lead at all.
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 03:33 PM
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61. No, it's NOT "enough" -- not "enough" was done to protect our country!
The 2000 "election" was a COUP D'ETAT. It should have been fought against tooth and nail, even if it meant civil war.

And I'm not going to apologize or desist from expressing my feelings on the matter.

sw
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southlandshari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 05:25 PM
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63. I completely agree
I don't know how I missed this on tv when it was unfolding. When I saw it in the film last night, I felt sick to my stomach.
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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 01:15 PM
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41. What moving scene?
Edited on Sat Jun-26-04 01:39 PM by spokane
you're meant to say what sent your emotions running on high alert! There where two scenes that made me jolt,
(1) The woman shouting with anger, crying about the destruction of their homes, her uncle lying there dying, asking what have we done to deserve this kind of treatment, at the same time putting a curse on all of us, America citizen, makes me wonder, how many more are there like her? Are they coming here, in my community to destroy our homes the same way this Administration has done to them in our name, well not in my wife, children and mine. Sorry but nope!
(2) Mrs Lisa Lipscombe, the wonderful moderate Democrat, who was all prepared to send her kids to die. Now thats how your typical American thinks, (nice jobs, helping the community blah blah blah)see how despondent she ended up, completely inconsolable at the end.

This gave me the rude awakening to reality, this administration has cause despair on both side of the Atlantic, everyone is a loser, the hard working American, Iraqi all LOSERS, but why? for a few more dollars for the "HAVE MORES" . Now this is a complete outrage in my part.

This administration has to go, by ANY MEANS NECESSARY they have to go, not only that, but I'm calling for the total destruction of the rePubs. Total misery, chaos, sadness, disaster, loss, disillusion, scandal, sex, you name it anything that can get them out out out I say!




Edit: Senator Imholfe if you can hear me, this is my outrage.
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Ishoutandscream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 01:23 PM
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43. When a soldier stated he had been a loyal Republican
But was now becoming a Democrat. The whole theatre I was in let out a burst of applause.
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MrChupon Donating Member (140 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 02:16 PM
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47. For Me
Not necessarily the most moving, but the most telling scene for me was when Moore was going around asking congressmen to ask their kids to join the military, and that one guy gave him the "you're crazy" look. It was incredible insight into that representative's thought process: "Are you crazy? MY kids? Hell no!"

The CBC was probably the saddest and most moving part because, as others have said, we could have avoided large chunks of this whole mess.
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Moonbeam_Starlight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 02:18 PM
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48. You know mine is an unusual one too
As much as the footage of the Iraqi war and the 9/11 stuff (people in NYC dazed, all the wreckage everywhere) was disturbing and grim, I have seen all that before.

No the most moving/disturbing scene was the C-SPAN footage of member after member of the Black Congressional Caucus declaring that not one senator had signed off. And Al Gore presiding over it all.

I cried during that scene. It was horribly heartbreaking. I had never seen that at the time, I had no idea about it. I am so thankful Moore put that in the film. It was horrible.
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WhickedWhich Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 02:44 PM
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58. I agree...
Edited on Sat Jun-26-04 02:44 PM by WhickedWhich
... this was news to me, as well. And VERY moving. SO badly I wanted to hear one, just ONE of them say that they had the signature of a member of Senate. But, I had to remind myself that it was NON-fiction. What a horrible, tragic fact that we learned about the events.
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Mandate My Ass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 05:45 PM
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69. Hi, WhickedWhich
Welcome!
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thecrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 02:35 PM
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53. When Wolfowitz was spitting on his comb!
and then combing his hair....It moved me to retch!!!!
but then he did it repeatedly and when his groomer was trying to get him to stop it, then he spit on his hand!
YUCK!
:wtf:
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Anwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 02:44 PM
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57. Hard to choose! Probably the pre-war Iraq scenes.
It was tragic because you know of the horror to follow..

Also, the beginning scenes when the news anchors had declared Gore winning the presidency. It was heartbreaking.
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DaveSZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 05:23 PM
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62. Kick
:)
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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 05:26 PM
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64. Lila and I hope that Moore plans to give her some money
She is definitely the star of the show.
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Cat Atomic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 05:33 PM
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66. When the Marine corporal said,
'I'm not going back over there to kill other poor people'.

He just summed it all up. Good for him. That's a perceptive and courageous man.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 05:41 PM
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67. I stated this yesterday after I saw it........
The corporate media had never shown that scene, nor do I remember their showing the protests all along his inauguration route.

I distinctly remember the media saying it was 'raining too hard' for Bush to take the walk to the stand. Now we know the truth. He was a scared girly boy who wouldn't face American Citizens or answer their rage. And, I never saw how many people were protesting him either, anywhere.

Priceless video. Moore has some great contacts to get that.
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lostnfound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 06:59 PM
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74. The black screen with airplanes coming at the Trade Center
Edited on Sat Jun-26-04 07:00 PM by lostnfound
Collapsed 3 years of misery into that first day of grief, that day which divided a bad dream world from an unending nightmare
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 07:02 PM
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75. You weren't watching CSPAN then.
I watched CSPAN coverage of the inauguration, and I can assure you that that dark day was documented.
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catzies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 07:05 PM
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76. I have two.
The elderly Iraqi lady sobbing in the street (was subtitled). Her grief was palpable.

The soldiers in physical therapy. I thought it was very brave of Moore to show the the amputees without flinching or turning away from them.
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cally Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 07:30 PM
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77. The protests were the most moving for me, also
Many scenes made me cry, but the protests gave me hope. The media did not report but many, many angry citizens knew about the theft. I remember the CBC and Gore's reaction. I was crying when it was live. It was hard to be reminded but I think because I saw it before that the impact was less great for me.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-04 08:07 AM
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81. the black screen and sounds of 9-11
n/t
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-04 08:32 AM
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83. Footage of families on camera...
with pictures of loved ones, begging for any information on their whereabouts, after 9/11. I had forgotten those many hours of hysterical husbands, wives, mothers, fathers, sons, and daughters on camera simply bleeding their souls for even the slightest sign that their loved one was alive. Heart wrenching... Not the most moving scene in F9/11, but it was certainly one of them.
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