I know most people who have seen F9/11 have given it a standing O, but

[GreenPartyVoter]

what about those of you who have taken conservative friends and naysayers along? Have you had any positive reaction from them?

[GreenPartyVoter]

1. giving it a

:kick:

[JayS]

2. I am so sick of hearing about both Moore and F911 that I have...

...no plans any longer to see it, much less take anybody to see it.

[keithyboy]

3. "Keeping your eyes shut is worse than being blind"

eom

[JayS]

8. There are other sources of news. I don't need to rely on a...

...filmmaker for an explanation of what is going on in the world.

[HootieMcBoob]

19. Yeah, I know what you mean

Anything that has the potential to open peoples eyes to what the right-wing has stuck us with for the last few years would bore me too. Especially if it were something that we had been anticipating for months - years even - and it turned out to be successful beyond our expectations...I would hate that and decide that I didn't want to have anything to do with it too. If it were something that could possibly turn the election and finally expose Bush for what he is and send him back to Texas...GOD HOW BORING WOULD THAT BE!

[ShaneGR]

23. lol, yup,,,,

Made me wonder too...

[JayS]

24. Do you think the right-wing will see it? Would it even make...

...any difference if they did? This film matters the most to people that are left to left-moderate; beyond that it does not matter much.

[Sparkly]

25. Enough fence-sitting moderates will see it

and I'm already hearing Republicans are leaving the theatre saying, "I'm still a Republican, but Bush has got to go."

[JayS]

32. But how long will this effect last? I'm sure the last message...

...that each swing voter hears will be the most important one. Once the buzz of the movie is gone we will need something else to keep the excitement up. How to do this...

[Sparkly]

34. "Something else" = daily headlines

after this film changes people's perspectives on them.

I'm not sure why you're discussing the effects of a film you refuse to see.

[JayS]

40. The headlines of a right wing media? :) I'm sure I will see the...

...movie once the DVD is for sale.

[Sparkly]

43. Yes, all the headlines

because this film holds the rightwing's rhetoric up to the light. But there's no use arguing it until you've seen the film.

[JayS]

50. I lived through everything in that film and I know what point...

...of view Michael Moore wanted to present. There will be no earth shattering revelations in it for me. As for others, I am sure they will be inspired for a time but will go back to their same mental state very soon, unless we can come up with something to keep the excitement going.

[Sparkly]

51. Until you see the film

you can't say how he succeeded in presenting the facts, nor can you say how others will or won't react. But since you say you have no desire to see it, I don't see the point of debating its faults or merits.

[JayS]

58. I'll see it eventually but it still won't be the most important thing...

...on my political radar.

And Moore took various scenes to get his point of view across, something that is hard to do but which Moore excels at. It is not necessarily about presenting the facts; if he had done that it would be one long and boring documentary.

[Sparkly]

61. "Not necessarily about presenting the facts"

Sure it is, and yet it's done in a way that's entertaining, and moving; it makes you smile, and then it rips your heart out. But it does indeed present the facts -- as you'll see, when you see it.

[JayS]

67. I have heard what arrangements he used to make the film...

...a moving experience. There are not many directors that come close to him on this.

He does use events that actually occurred so the scenes are factual in that sense. The scenes are removed from their context though and inserted into a new context to create a message. This is not lying or distortion or whatever the new accusations are though. It is just part of what makes a documentary a documentary.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

97. Honestly Jay

you really have to see it to understand. I don't see how you can criticize something you haven't seen.

I think you'll be surprised at how powerful, how incredibly damning it is.

[JayS]

101. I'm not trying to be critical of Moore's work but I am sure it...

...could come across that way. I know that it will be a well-done film...but not something that should preclude all other events going on in the world. There is so much that is important to the upcoming election that goes largely ignored that our hope seems to lay with the whole "Bush & Company equal bad" message...and that can be fragile.

[Occulus]

138. Have you ever read a news item

that contains no new information as far as you're concerned- yet closed the newspaper thinking, "damn. That was well-said. The article was, basically, an indictment."

I have; I think we've all experienced this. That's the point of seeing this film. It's how what is said, but how.

[JayS]

157. Yes, I made that point. n/t

n/t

[Tight_rope]

104. I agree with you Moonbeam...how can anyone sit back and

criticize someone's work when he/she has never seen it. Geezz, is Jay making his criticism based on what others have said about the movie. If so thats really sad. I just got back from seeing the movie tonight, and in my opinion, of all the fictional movies I've seen, I know this movie can not be placed in that category. Moore did a excellent of letting the Bushco tell the "TRUTH" (LIES)to the American people. I heard and saw it come out of the horses mouth tonight. Now, without a doubt I know the "TRUTH".

And until the Bushco come out and say that they lied to the American people, I will accept Fahrenheit 9/11 as being the "TRUTH".:kick:

[JayS]

108. You can read my other posts if you want to know what I said. n/t

n/t

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[JayS]

82. Sounds like you missed the point.

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[JayS]

69. Your dad sounds very wise. :)

[Pachamama]

74. Indeed...if you think that Americans aren't entitled to healthcare....

...education, clean environment, etc....Oh yeah and that Michael Moore is a liar who distorts facts and that the Occupant of the Oval Office is ....wise....???

He's my dad....I didn't say he was wise...

[JayS]

Well, I don't sound like that so you must have not understood...

...anything that I posted.

[HuskerDem]

107. You say you've lived through everything in the movie...... AMAZING

So you've been a dead baby.
You've lost your only son.
You've set homes afire to the KICK-ASS soundtrack of "burn motherfucker burn".
You've lost both your hands.
You've voted upon an act of legislation that would not only affects everyone in America but the world.......... without reading it?

Maybe all this is not exciting enough for you.

Maybe it's just you.

[JayS]

109. Maybe you should go back and READ what I said. n/t

n/t

[Pachamama]

133. Well Said HuskerDem....

May none of us ever have to live through this and may we all see this movie and think about how we can prevent these things from happening further...

[jayfish]

62. Right Up To Election Day.

I believe they intend to have the DVD released right about then. It will be a huge DVD and the fire will start all over again.

Jay

[stickdog]

126. The "buzz" of this movie will never be gone.

And the video/DVD release will be an even bigger event than this weekend.

[Eloriel]

140. Oh, I hope, I hope, I hope

I haven't seen it yet, but I have been absolutely groovin' out on the reports yesterday and today. It's a real high for me. I never expected it to be ThIS big, or the movie, according to reports, to be quite as eye-poppingly good. I expected good -- I didn't expect life-changing, as some have reported (yes, even tho they already knew most of it).

[calimary]

151. You could start by looking in the bathroom mirror in the morning.

How to do this? How long will this effect last?

AS LONG AS YOU MAKE IT LAST.

As long as YOU BACK IT UP, with your friends, with fence-sitters, with acquaintances from the enemy camp, with people who just don't pay any attention. As long as YOU BACK IT UP with the facts YOU know, as well. As long as YOU keep the story alive.

And not just you. WE ALL are in the post-production department of this movie. We ALL are the rear guard, to anticipate and to meet, head-on, any naysayers and people who refuse to see the movie because they just "know" it's all lies. The Lisa Myers pod people of the world, who are here to be the "truth squad" and "debunk" the lies are certainly out there trying to challenge and tarnish the film. You okay with just sitting back and allowing that? And letting them get the upper hand AGAIN????? You okay with just shrugging it off and saying "oh well, nothing we can do"?

It's EVERYBODY'S responsibility, EVERYBODY WHO WANTS bush OUT, EVERYBODY WHO WANTS OUR COUNTRY BACK AND THESE VERMIN COMPLETELY DISCREDITED, SET BACK POLITICALLY FOR YEARS, WAY AWAY FROM POWER, AND BEHIND BARS WHERE THEY BELONG. That's you. And that's me. And that's everybody on this thread. And that's everybody on this forum. And that's everybody we know. And everybody else THEY know. And everyone else of like mind.

It means CONSTANT reinforcements. It means sending the Cavalry in (all of US) and keeping it in there. It means fighting til we finally win this thing.

The buzz of the movie does not have to fade. Neither does its impact. Unless you let it...

How? Keep spreading the truth. Keep driving around with the bumper stickers on your car. Keep making comments in the checkout line at the store, or while you're out with people. Keep reading and staying informed, and spreading the information wherever and whenever you can. Keep writing letters to the editor. Keep calling CNN and MSNBC and other news outlets to complain when they get it wrong. Keep trying to get through on one of those talk shows. Keep telling the truth. Keep reinforcing and confirming and verifying what Michael Moore said and revealed.

CALL YOUR REPS! CALL THEIR OFFICES! CALL THEM AND BRING THIS UP!!! Sheesh! You can even do it TOLL FREE, for heaven's sakes! Check my sig line.

Or you can roll over and go back to sleep like the media's done from day one. Then you can proudly be part of the problem rather than the solution.

Basically - you NEVER, and I MEAN NEVER, let the bad guys get the last word. EVER.

[JayS]

158. If I ever met you in person, Calimary, I know you would be...

...someone I would like very much. :)

And don't worry; I am not sitting back and doing nothing. I just work in different ways. :)

[calimary]

165. Awwww...

Back atcha, JayS!

Hugs!

[Pachamama]

65. I know several undecideds that saw it today and are really upset....

...the film is making people think....The film does matter....just not to you....

[susanna]

77. My rightie friends are going

In order to "understand the enemy." Evidently they aren't gifted with your complete lack of interest.

[JayS]

80. Many people need someone to think for them. It's not as good...

...as thinking on one's own but at least they are easily controlled.

[King_Crimson]

146. IS..That..Right...

I live in Republican rich Indiana and every showing at the theater here in Fort Wayne (second largest city in the state by the way) was SOLD OUT...and it's being shown on two screens at the same facility! One guy drove 70 miles from Lima, Ohio to see it! I think there are those Repukes (the old fashioned ones anyway) whose curiosity probably got the best of them and they went!

[seabeyond]

163. funny dude

had me gigglin

[Delano]

166. For liberals, it's not about keeping informed.

At the packed house I saw it in hgere in liberal San Francisco, it was more about a collective rallying cry of sorts, galvanizing us for the coming months. There was little in the film I wasn't aware of already, but it was all presented in a very moving and entertaining way.

I do hope some of the folks who are still uninformed will go see it and it will be a revelation for them.

[Sparkly]

4. Huh?

I don't understand how hearing about it made you decide not to see it. Bored with the topic, or what?

[JayS]

9. The choices lately are F911, the Fword, and...I guess that is it. n/t

n/t

[GreenPartyVoter]

5. Well, maybe you'll be in the mood again once it comes out on DVD

[JayS]

10. I'm sure I will be. I'm not a fan of theaters anyway.

[Snoggera]

6. I could understand your reasoning

if it was being sick of hearing about a Britney Spears concert, but about a film that depicts what many intensely care about politically, because, it is after all, our future we are talking about here.

Other than that, I don't understand. Either you are an individual who is not politically minded, lean toward the right, or are on a mind altering substance.

Nothing personal, but to say one is sick of hearing about something important to the future of this world to the point of not wanting to see the movie makes no sense.

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[Sparkly]

13. Where did Moore "drift from reality" in this film?

Have you seen it?

[devilgrrl]

14. what??????????

"his films are great for an ego stroke but drift way too from from reality"

What are you basing your facts on?

[dougthegreen]

161. His films make me feel great, but guilty like a hagen daz binge.

He speaks in images that exactly match what I feel but there is that lingering guilt when he edits to our advantage. Anyone can make Bush look like an idiot. Bush proves it very day. Why does Moore have to twist it to make it worse than it is. We are better than that. We are right. Why do we have to fudge it. It just gives the neo cons amunition to discredit the good parts of the film. Moore is his own worst enemy. This is ultimately going to cause us more harm than good.

[LTR]

15. I didn't know Roger Waters was a filmmaker

:shrug:

[0rganism]

47. "The Wall" was darn good, but I still prefer "Pink Floyd at Pompeii"

I haven't tried watching "Wizard of Oz" with Dark Side playing, tho. Could be a life-changing experience.

Not worth comparing to Michael Moore, tho.

[mike1963]

16. Be a hero to the wingnuts. Name something in the film that's a lie.

That should be easy for a genius. Especially since none of the other wackos have managed to do it. k?

[Sparkly]

17. Perfect.

That's a challenge for every rightwing critic shrieking about this film.

[LTR]

22. Watch it! He's on a mission

He's gonna convert the thousands of us over to the dark side.

Of the moon, that is.

[Snoggera]

20. The reality is on the film

as I am led to believe (since I haven't seen it yet). It's not a matter of believing some spewed rhetoric. It's a matter of believing what your eyes see. The film shows people, real live people, speaking. If one chooses not to believe what they see, then.............

[LiberalFighter]

33. So you didn't see the movie...

excellent references for being a movie critic.

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[Sparkly]

42. You said he "drifts from reality"

Where did he do that in F-911? Oh that's right, you didn't see it. And the "art of selling your ideas" has failed him to the point that he's a hugely successful, award-winning film maker that has the RNC scared to death.

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[Sparkly]

48. Where did he "drift from reality?"

That's all I'm asking. Who needs to 'feel better?'

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[Sparkly]

54. You made the claim

so pick one and defend it.

[Pachamama]

81. More harm than good? Like that the current occupant of the Oval Office

...will have his A$$ kicked back to Crawford harm? Or is that Good? You tell us?

Your not doing so good for a newbie on the DU...at this pace you might not last much longer....folks here like good debate and discussion, but when newbie's start talking like that, people wonder...

[0rganism]

44. Which "choir" do you think he was "preaching to" in BFC?

Have you seen Roger & Me? The Big One? Maybe even Canadian Bacon or a few episodes of The Awful Truth? Have you ever leveled your razor-sharp intellect at any of his books?

Do you honestly think Michael Moore is really about anything OTHER than "selling ideas to the unwashed"?

He's not Noam Chomsky, that's for damn sure.

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[Sparkly]

53. On the contrary

his films have been very successful in opening eyes and minds -- otherwise the rightwing wouldn't be so threatened by their success. Complaints about "arrogance" and "manners" are excuses for dismissing the truth. ("Americans are DYING for nothing!" "That may be true, but I don't like your manners." Hello?)

So how did Moore "drift from reality," again?

[0rganism]

57. Well, now we know who ISN'T the "choir", in your opinion

So, who IS the choir?

Moore's talent lies in taking complex social, political, and economic issues and publicizing their actual effects in such a way that you'd have to be quite the "independent thinker" not to get his point.

Are you an "independent thinker", Mr. BalladOfDwightFry?

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

98. Bowling for Columbine

doesn't even COMPARE to F911. Doesn't even come close. Not even in the same league.

F911 was so incredibly damning. I couldn't believe it. And I KNEW most of the stuff in that movie.

[JayS]

12. I can care intensely about the political issues involved without...

...the help of Michael Moore. His film is just one small part of a much bigger picture and focusing on just that one thing is not good.

[Snoggera]

26. The pieces make up the whole

One cannot be at the top of the mountain without having taking many small steps towards the goal.

Again, I see no sense in your words.

[JayS]

35. One need not also repeat the same steps. :) n/t

n/t

[Snoggera]

39. The steps are never the same

time changes everything. The stability of the slabs of rock, the vegetation that grows around one, and the perceptions that one has about a single step.

It is impossible as a human being to take the same step twice.

edited to add: :) (I really am enjoying this, and don't mean to get annoying!)

[JayS]

63. Just don't start calling me Grasshopper. :) I do know what you...

...mean though; time really does change everything.

[Pachamama]

70. Must be the Britney Spears concerts ....

...or the red pill?

:think:

[JayS]

75. Or could it be that not all people are guilty of the same mindset...

...that we accuse the freepers of having?

[Pachamama]

87. And what mindset is that? n/t

[JayS]

99. The whole lockstep, identical thinking, close-minded vision...

...of the world type of thing.

[Swamp Rat]

105. Are you saying Freepers are Nazis?

[JayS]

110. No....where do you get that from? n/t

n/t

[Swamp Rat]

118. So you are saying that Freepers are NOT Nazis then.

[JayS]

119. I am neither saying they are or they aren't. n/t

n/t

[mitchtv]

7. sick of hearing...

big event benefitting the left in many ways, just undid 4 years of lying network journalists, hmm.

[JayS]

18. It did? I seriously doubt that. Most people that will see that...

...film are already strongly to the left politically. Had Moore been more gracious at the awards and chosen to do something like link his work to current conditions or something he would not have made himself a buffoon in the eyes of the people that we are trying to reach.

The journalists will continue to lie; that won't change. The people will also continue to not care, by and large.

[HootieMcBoob]

21. You're certainly a breath of fresh air

thanks for the pick me up

[Sparkly]

27. Only someone who's SEEN this film can know

that it's going to wake some people up.

There are fence-sitters who'll see it; there are people who will now have the impetus to speak up at the watercooler; there are people who will ask questions they wouldn't have asked otherwise.

This is a great film, as Cannes showed. See it!

[JayS]

28. I didn't mean to bring you down. I'm just trying to get more...

...discussion from people and sometimes that means gumming the works up a bit.

[GaryL]

45. I spent enough time being an a**hole myself.

Which I used to refer to a "gumming up the works". Carry on.

[JayS]

60. Ah, not marching in lockstep means one is an asshole. Got it. n/t

n/t

[GaryL]

64. Too general.

I was being specific.

[JayS]

72. That was not evident in your post.

[Eloriel]

148. It's called "trolling," Jay n/t

[JayS]

159. That is your opinion. n/t

[Nikki Stone 1]

29. If all Moore does is get out the Democratic vote...

that may be enough. Typically, Republicans have better turnout. If Moore is successful in reaching Democrats, that will change.

Let's just hope the computerized voting machines are working honestly.

[DNA]

92. Just come out and say what you really mean.

If Moore were more of a right-wing kind of guy, he could reach white righ-wing kind of guys like...who? Can we say it? The ones who really count?

[JayS]

102. Who is saying that Moore needs to be more right-wing? n/t

n/t

[DNA]

111. Geee...

Are you getting defensive? Because a guy like you would never say anything like that, right? That would never be what a guy like you is really about, right? A stand-up kind of guy like you, right? Why are you so sweaty, Jay?

[JayS]

116. I have no idea what you are talking about.

[JayS]

117. I have no idea what you are talking about. n/t

n/t

[Pachamama]

71. Hmm.....

...that's what I think too...:eyes:

[Pachamama]

30. That attitude is similar to people who say "I'm sick of all the talk about

...the importance of this election and getting out the vote, so I think I won't bother voting"...

:think:

[JayS]

36. Not even in the same ballpark....

[Pachamama]

76. Same Ballpark JayS...problem is we here on the DU are playing baseball

...and your playing rugby....wrong ballpark.... :)

http://www.freerepublic.com

They also don't want to see the movie....too much talk of Moore et al is getting them upset....

[JayS]

78. Sorry if I don't feel that Michael Moore is the second coming...

...of Christ. He is a filmmaker that is unfortunately now seen as partisan. He is also only presenting one small portion of what will affect the next election.

[Pachamama]

83. Michael Moore is going down in history for having giving "airtime" to the

...truth that the media has failed to deliver to the people...And that is something that scares the Republicans and especially if there are a lot of undecideds or even people who were not sure about voting...

Small portion of what will affect the next election? There are several things that will affect the election: Terrorism and the War in Iraq are in the top 3, the third being jobs & the economy...This movie covers two of those things....Guess he should have focused a movie on Jobs and the economy?

Who brought up Jeezus? No, I don't see the 2nd Cumming, but I think this movie is going to bring a chasm in to the current election...and have an incredible effect on peoples opinions...concerned "Peacemakers" will be even more outraged and people who are undecided will not be able to ignore things that have otherwise not been shown to them so openly....

[JayS]

86. Well, that is your opinion. And there are more than just three...

...issues of great importance in the upcoming election. I know the media tells us that there are a very limited number of issues; perhaps this is because they only want to report on a limited number of issues. :)

[Pachamama]

88. Yeah, a Woman's Right to Choose is another, don't you agree Jays?

[JayS]

89. That is a very big one. n/t

n/t

[stickdog]

130. Folks, it's not that JayS doesn't like F-9/11, it's just that he doesn't

have The Passion for it.

[JayS]

160. Did you think that up all by yourself? n/t

n/t

[Swamp Rat]

106. Seen as partisan by Freepers and conservative wackos

No, he's not the 2nd coming of "Christ." That spot was already taken by Rev. Moon. Didn't you get the memo?

Bush orders you to "bow down to the Moon for he is the New Messiah!"

[JayS]

113. Those are the ones that we need to reach. And that whole...

...Moon thing at the Whitehouse was....different. You'd think if the government was having the Messiah over they could have a least made a cake or something.....

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

31. That's too bad - the movie is so fucking powerful. Its, at the very least

the best tribute to 9/11 I've seen

[JayS]

37. I'm sure it is at that. The DVD should be for sale soon. n/t

n/t

[mdmc]

41. I just got back

and I brought a moderate republican with me. She felt like the movie cast a negative light on the democratic party and thought that it would be a rally point for the greens. We both thought that the movie played with emotion more than most movies. The humor, anger, and sadness, nostalgia, and satire were all overwhelming at one point or another.
Your thread asked what her thoughts were. SHE WAS MOVED! Perhaps not enough to vote Kerry, but she no longer has all the answers.

[Zen Democrat]

55. The true-believer Republicans may stay home after seeing Fahrenheit

I know several who already say they can't vote for Kerry, but they can't vote for Bush so they'll stay home.

Any Repubs seeing this film can't help but be swayed by the Iraq footage and what's going on with our soldiers over there.

[mdmc]

56. she will vote, but maybe not for Bush

:hi:

[Pachamama]

84. My Dad's a Republican and he's voting Libertarian this election...even

he is sickened by the violation of civil liberties that Bush and the Patriot Act have done, and the torture scandal was too much for him. And did I mention our looming deficit and the crazed spending that the Bush administration is doing? Yeah, he is a true Republican, you know the ones that actually at one time followed certain key beliefs and values like civil liberties, no gov't intrusion, keeping gov't small, not spending money, etc....respect him for that...He wont' vote for Bush because of it, but won't vote Kerry either...that's okay...its one less republican vote for Bush...

[lumpy]

136. Nice to see that someone

followed the theme of the thread instead of sparring with Jay. Thank you mdmc. I was really interested in the reaction from conservatives who saw the film. Thanks mdmc. And thanks guys (not) for ferking it up with Jolly Jay.

[Pachamama]

145. Sorry Lumpy...blaming "us" who called JayS on his BS is misdirecting

...who distracted from the thread...Many of us on this thread wanted it to go in the intended direction until JayS poisoned it w/ "Not worth seeing" commentary etc. instead of what I and others had wished...JayS tends to do this on many threads and I was finally fed up w/ it...

Apologies to GreenPartyVoter and others (myself included) who want/intend on seeing it and taking someone moderate, conservative and/or undecided to the movie and then to discuss and share...

Namaste

[JayS]

162. If you didn't like what I said, why did you reply? And please...

...share where I have done this on other threads? Sorry, if someone asks a question I tend to try and answer it.

[Citizen Daryl]

59. While you're at it, encourage them to vote for Bush. n/t

[JayS]

73. What in the world does that mean?

[Pachamama]

85. That passive aggressive stance isn't going to get you too far Jays...

...quit while your ahead...your managed to stay alive on DU probably because you quit just before you take it too far...I've watched your posts....they antagonize, don't answer too much and then you don't answer specific questions put your way and then you throw just enough into your postings where it "seems" like your a good free-thinking DUer that is just "trying to stir things up a bit" to avoid the thread from getting boring....

Yeah, your stirring and its getting boring....

[JayS]

93. If you don't like my posts then use the ignore function. If you...

...spot a question put my way that I missed, please let me know. I try and answer whatever is put my way but I miss some.

And staying alive on DU means what? If the Party has devolved to the point where we must all be in perfect agreement on everything then there is no longer any point to our existence.

I also don't need your judgment as to whether or not I am a "good free-thinking DUer" as I doubt you have followed my posts long enough to know what I stand for.

[Geo55]

100. Just lurking on the thread.....FINALLY ....thankyou n/t

[JayS]

103. Yes, not thinking identically is not very Democratic. n/t

n/t

[Swamp Rat]

115. Freudian slip?

"Yes, not thinking identically is not very Democratic. n/t"

So, you're saying: Yes, thinking identically is very Democratic?

[JayS]

120. Nope, just late night posting. :) n/t

n/t

[Swamp Rat]

124. ok

I'm tired too.

[mellowinman]

91. Jay S

All you've done is divert from ths thread.

The thread is about "did you take someone who is a Republican to the film, and what was their reaction?"

You don't want to see it?

Fine.

Don't.

You already said you wouldn't. Why are you continuing to reiterate that?

As for the guy who says BFC is all distortion, I notice he didn't come up with ANYTHING at all specific to defend.

Moore is not the second coming.

Moore is a big fat slob.

But his FILMS are brilliant. Audiences and critics agree. Bowling for Columbine doesn't distort ANYTHING. I have yet to see a reasonable argument that it does.

And I'm absolutely THRILLED about Fahrenheit 911 being released. I can't WAIT to go see it.

[JayS]

95. Nope, I just answered questions and comments directed at...

...me.

[DNA]

90. Nice to hear

you're such an open-minded kind of guy (NOT!).

[JayS]

96. I take it you read nothing of what I posted before you made...

...your reply.

[DNA]

112. I read quite a bit of what you posted.

It made a huge impact on me. Trust me. I've learned not to trust your judgment on films, for example. I learned you're not the go-to guy for film reviews. Give me some credit here.

[JayS]

114. Then you missed the message. n/t

n/t

[Pachamama]

121. No JayS, we all get the message...we've read your posts and its very

obvious and tiring...


:boring:

[JayS]

123. Use the ignore function. Wonderful thing. If you can't encompass...

...other points of view then you would be happier putting me on ignore.

[Bridget Burke]

125. You don't like theaters....

Do you have agoraphobia? Some dreadful skin condition?

It's sad to be a shut in.

[JayS]

127. No, I have a condition called IfyoudontputthatcellphoneawayIkillyou.

:)

[Pachamama]

122. Not the "Go-to guy" for film reviews....LOL...

:kick:

[stickdog]

128. Me, too!

See you at White Chicks!

[RummyTheDummy]

129. You know, I said the same thing about "Seinfeld"

I absolutely hated it because I didn't discover it and everybody and their brother loved it. Eventually I started watching the show (after its original run) and realized I was wrong. It was genius. Same story with the Simpsons. I absolutely hated that show, without ever watching it.

If I were you I wouldn't go see it either. But two or three years from now, go rent it. You might surprise yourself.

[LoZoccolo]

131. Self-deleted.

I'll just take care of deleting this message myself.

[JayS]

132. Ah, the open-mindedness tonight is so refreshing. n/t

n/t

[thebigidea]

153. you don't find it dreadfully ironic that you're berating others for that?

Hysterical. Thanks for the laughter.

[JayS]

156. Please point out where I am berating someone that is...

...engaging in an open-minded discussion.

[Zinfandel]

79. Great interview, thanks so much, I would of missed it. It made my night!

Another great fantastic interview is with Meria with Craig Hulet (yesterday).

www.meria.net

(It's worth the five bucks to buy a week-end pass to it and hundreds of others in her archives. Take my word for it, If you don't agree I'll send you the five bucks. My Limit: 10 people..But after hearing the interview I know everyone will be happy they did).

[Tight_rope]

94. Just got back from seeing 9/11...and I'm mad as hell!

My blood pressure will take several weeks to come down. And Yes...everyone in the theater gave it a Standing ovation.:kick:

[lumpy]

134. This thread that should have

been interesting turned out to be All About Jay. The word belligerent comes to mind.

[Geo55]

135. Can you say "enabled" ? n/t

[lumpy]

137. Geo55 See my post 136

thanking (not) the guys who enabled Jay to dominate the conversation. Enabled is correct. Hope someone starts another thread on the subject so we can get some input on the reaction from conservatives who might have seen the movie. I'm hoping to get my right-wing leaning relative to see it with me.

[salin]

142. Worthy thread gets hijacked

into a bitch and moan session... Thought the original question was interesting... per the nonchoir audience response.

The same amount of threads appeared about The Passion when it came out- and again the most interesting to me, were not about the bitching and moaning (plenty of that) but from those who had seen it - and described their own, and others (both pro and con) reactions to the film.

Hope that the thread can go back to the original question - and if anyone has any experience (*through attendance and reactions... or through post viewing conversations) I hope that they will chime in.

[Pachamama]

147. Sorry I enabled the hijacker...

...see my posting 145 above apologizing, but I and others truly wanted him to stop the BS and I guess after seeing some of this DUers postings and lurking, I got tired...

I agree that this thread should go back to original theme, but don't feel bad for missed opportunity, there are atleast 3 other threads discussing this topic, so it wasn't really hijacked last night...

Most of us left JayS to play w/ himself Cheney style and had the conversation of substance on other threads...

Apologies again...

[salin]

149. None needed

It happens around here... all the time... and generally someone gets the clue to restart... which either turns into a great thread... or repeats the hijack (and on and on goes the cycle...) We all get sucked into that cycle from time to time :hi:

[JayS]

167. No, Pachamama, you were the one who did most of the postings...

...that called for my reply. See, you can't accuse people of things without being challenged. It does not work that way.

And why is everyone expecting a conservative to come along and post? Was this thought through?

Like I said, don't read my posts if you don't like what I say.

[JayS]

164. Yes, some of the posters were very belligerent. n/t

n/t

[Retired AF Dem]

139. I will wait till it comes out on HBO or something

Mike acts like the left, but he will still be running and laughing all the way to the bank with his money.

[Sparkly]

141. "Running and laughing to the bank"

Your statement is hilarious. How does one "act like the left?"

As for "running and laughing," are you saying Moore hoards his money, living self-indulgently (look at those expensive Italian suits you always see him wearing!)?

[Eloriel]

150. The right can make money and profit, but not the left

I always love that bit of hypocrisy from those "on our side," don't you?

[Sparkly]

152. Exactly, and we wouldn't want to support or encourage success

on the left, now would we? So let's wait until it comes out on HBO. (Not. I saw it last night, and it was great.)

[Retired AF Dem]

155. Now he can take advantage of those tax breaks

for the rich.

[salin]

144. Proving (counter to rush etal's claims)

that there is a profitable market in ideas from the left... and that the long standing dearth of liberal voices (be it on talk radio, tv, etc.) has less to do with marketplace... and more to do with media powers that be. For example, I believe that Scarborough's ratings are the same or lower than Donahue's had been - but Donahue was yanked... and Scarborough is still on the air...

[GiovanniC]

143. Took a Registered Republican

She will not vote for Bush now.

She doesn't promise to vote for Kerry, but she said that she absolutely will not vote for Bush.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

154. As Sean Hannity would say, you, Giovanni, are a Great American!