So the Nazi president is calling Liberals Nazis. Fuck these Nazis

[mopaul]

just saw the ad from bushco comparing liberals to nazis. gephardt, kerry, michael moore, al gore were called nazis in the ad, and called wild eyed and full of pessimism and rage. intermingled with images of hilter himself. even bush appears to be giving the nazi salute right after an image of hitler.

imagine if kerry had used a similar ad against the republicans, they'd be taking us to court already. this is the mentality we are dealing with. the nazis are now calling US nazis. the very man whose grandfather prescott bush collaborated with hilter and helped finance him and shared his love of eugenics. prescott bush who made millions from the agonies of slave laborers, and passed this blood profit on down to his own son and grandson who now threaten the world with nazism.

what the fuck world are we in now? insane fucking world?
calling liberals nazis in a t.v. commercial for the bush campaign is fucking INSANE. i suppose we'll just roll over and take it, even though they'd come unglued with hyper-righteous indignation if we called them nazis, which they are.

are we gonna let them get away with that?

fuck these nazis. and fuck all the trolls and freepers who now infest this place after the king of the nazis big roman funeral last week.

now that they've officially labeled liberals as nazis on television, they've set a new precedent for scumminess and desperation and hatred. they've lowered their OWN bar with this shot across the liberal bow. fuck these nazis.

[shraby]

1. Was that a "I'm George Bush and I

approve this message" one?

[bryant69]

3. Good question

Although even if it wasn't it would be nice to know his opinion on the ad ("What do you think of that Moronic Conservative Ad which compared Liberals to Hitler?") Put him in a tight spot.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[rumguy]

10. it's on his website - he has to answer for it

[bryant69]

12. Of course it is an actual Bush Ad

So my comments were mistaken. I think the point is that we compare Bush to Hitler (this showing our rage) but I also think that ther's a concious urge to blur the lines between Liberals and Hitler.

[indigo32]

32. Exactly

and I thought I read somewhere else here that that ad didn't even get selected by MoveOn.org, it was just submitted there.

[americanstranger]

53. Web ad.

That's why there's no approval.

They've done this a couple of times already.

-as

[ShaneGR]

2. Uhhh, what ad are you talking about? nt

[apnu]

5. the ad here

http://www.georgewbush.com/Default.aspx

[IronLionZion]

34. awesome!

which directly contradicts the fact that BUSH is running the most negative campaign in the entire United States history!!! Every ad is an attack.

[doni_georgia]

40. This ad has pissed me off beyond belief! I can't believe that

a sitting president would do this. that is the lowest campaign ad I have ever seen. I was 100% behind Kerry before, and now I am even more so! I will give up every free night I have to work to get this SOB out of office!

[Beetwasher]

4. Indeed, Where Are All The Trolls Who Are Always Outraged Over

DUers comparing Bushco. to Nazi's.

Hello?! Are you out there trolls?

[slinkerwink]

6. it's not a tv ad...it's an internet ad....it'd be great if it was on TV

it makes Dems look great and Bush stupid!

[Hubert Flottz]

7. WHAT?????

That is opening the door for the Democrats to follow up with the whole Bush/Nazi story! Bush just stepped in Shiza!

BTW, good to see you back! I thought the FReepers had captured you!

[rumguy]

8. holy shit - imagine the outrage if Kerry had ran this ad

[thebigidea]

9. well, let the Nazi comparisons flow, then

I know one thing, though: Michael Moore doesn't have a secret network of torture prisons, a track record of invading countries, and aspirations of global hegemony.

[Cha]

11. No shit?!

bush has an ad calling Liberals Nazis? Sorry :wow:

Then..since they brought it up first ...just like in court ..they're leaving themselves wide open to be called nazis themselves. This is good to know because I never watch any bush ads.

[indigobusiness]

25. He looks a little like Neil Young in your pic.

Neil's not going to like that.

[evil_orange_cat]

13. anyone got a link for this?

what's the website?

[Bluebear]

16. Georgebush.com

[tom_paine]

14. Yes, what ad is this

If true, it in entirely unsurprising that it received NO discussion in direct Orwellian Contrast to the treatment of the MoveOn Bush = Hitler ads.

And yes, Nazis, Commies, Busheviks ALL accuse their VICTIMS of doing what they do.

It's called projection...let me demonstrate:

The scene: dacahu 1943

A German Freeper, an SS Guard, is kicking a Jew on the ground

"Filthy (kick) fucking (kick) Liberal (kick, kick!) Jew (kick kick kick!) Stop (kick) oppressing (kick kick) ME! (kick kick kick kick!)"

In a nutshell, THAT is the monsters we face.

Of course they accuse us of being what they are. Same as the Nazis did.

"No, I won't give up my guns. I had to kill too many fascists to get them."
--attributed to an anonymous member of the Yugoslav Resistance, 1945

The Nazis are coming, people, metastasizing like a cancer. Not sure anything can stop. How much longer will they remain "kinder and gentler"

[Mandate My Ass]

15. I thought I was hallucinating when I watched that ad

they have gone "beyond the pale" that's for sure.

[geek tragedy]

17. It's footage from the moveon.org ad

showing how incendiary the librul rhetoric is, apparently.

[thebigidea]

21. so I gather you're going to defend it?

[progressivebydesign]

23. No.. the poster is not defending it, but pointing out the obvious.l

See my post below.. the thread has gotten a little ahead of itself in the excitement...

[geek tragedy]

33. Oh hell no.

Just pointing out that it's not them calling liberals nazis.

It's just them engaging in unbelievably cheap and dirty campaigning.

[tridim]

27. If I were the author of that MoveOn ad

I would be preparing a lawsuit against Bush/Cheney04.

[evil_orange_cat]

18. uhmmm he didn't call liberals nazis... that was moveon.org's ad

... that compared Bush to nazis... :eyes:

The ad sucked, but it didn't compare liberals to nazis folks.

[never cry wolf]

19. I think you have the wrong take on it

I never saw that Hitler ad that was submitted to the move-on contest but I suspect the clips in bunnypants' ad were from that, to further point up how pessimistic and full of rage we wacky lefties are.

At least that was my take on it when I saw it. They went from a Hitler clip right to a frame that said "Sponsored by Move On."

[LiviaOlivia]

20. I love you MoPaul

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[progressivebydesign]

22. Umm.. they're just using the Moveon.org ad that was pulled..

The one that showed the nazi comparison. Even I didn't get the feeling that they were trying to compare the Dems to Hitler. Rather they were using that ad (which was denounced by many Democrats), to show how angry and ugly we supposedly are.

This thread kind of misses the point. They were skewering the Dems for the Nazi ad attacking Bush, when in fact it was NOT a sanctioned ad, it was a competition ad, that was removed from consideration.

I frankly think it's pretty ballsy for those GOP nuts to show our leaders looking so great and powerful.. and Bush and his hideous background music as a comparison. I expected some animated bluebirds to come flying out of his ass!

[thebigidea]

26. somehow I don't think that's the impression intended

[rumguy]

30. They totally were

They had Gep and then they showed Hitler, they had Gore and then they showed Hitler - it's as simple as that....

They are appropriating the images from that ad that they found so objectionable and using it now...what fuckin' cynical hypocrites.

That being said. Kerry should ignore it. It's only an internet ad that the Bushbots will see. He needs to stay on message. He needs to stay focused on the future.

[mike1963]

39. The moveon ad had people shouting "Seig Heil" while Gore spoke???

I never saw it......
Why would they have done that? I confuse me.....

:eyes:

[Nevernose]

58. It was one of a thousand public entries in their contest

Faux news picked up on it and said "See, MoveOn is comparing Bush to Hitler! Do liberals have no shame?" and other such histrionics.

[Cheswick2.0]

24. That's just silly. Everybody knows Liberals are Commies and Rightwingers

are Nazis.

[Frangible]

28. That's why I like to call them the "Reich Wing"

The Reich Wing war in Iraq
Reich Wing radio

... etc

It's fun!

[derrald]

29. The ad was taking footage from the moveon ad

But the ad never really lets you know that. Rather it just lets the clips intersperse with Gore, Dean, Kerry, etc.

This is a classic republican "DEMOCRATS ARE NAZIS!!!!" move that, when called on, allows them to say "WE NEVER SAID THEY WERE NAZIS SO STOP SAYING THAT!"

It's the classic conservative tactic: Imply like there's no tomorrow and claim victimihood when people figure out the message.

[Memekiller]

31. It's the MoveOn ad...

You see a quick blip of the MoveOn logo. Obviously, it's meant to compare Democrats to Hitler, then when we get riled up, the GOP will make hay over the fact that it's a MoveOn ad.

Not that I'm afraid of comparing Bush to meglomaniac dictators. It's pretty clear at this point that he had intended to overthrow seven countries (had Iraq greeted us with flowers), had granted himself the right to torture, and has done everything within his power to dismantle the checks and balances that hold our government accountable.

Liberals spew hate? If you want to play that game, there are plenty of right wingers calling for wiping Muslims off the face of the Earth, and calling the hooking of alligator clips to people's testicles "having a good time". What an ad we could make, if we were as vile as they were!

Clearly, the only reason they haven't become, if not Hitler, then one of the lesser dictators, is the fact that our ingenius system of government has been designed to hamper the damage people like Bush can do. I don't know if they'll still be there if Bush gets a second term, though.

As Margaret Cho said, he's not Hitler... well, maybe if he applied himself.

[DoYouEverWonder]

48. The original ad that was submitted to Move On

did not have the Move On logo in it. The frames with the logo were added by the media later on.

This ad is appalling. However, I think it's going to hurt Bu$h a lot more than it's going to hurt anyone else.

Just when you think life can't get any more bizarre, Bu$hCo manages to up it a notch.

BTW: What was with the 2nd portion of the Hitler pics? The ones with the religious quotes from W embedded in the frames? Was that from the Move On ad or was this segment of their own design?

[harrison]

35. I just viewed it, and I am stunned. My God, this is where we

are. What they did was intersperse Hitler speaking with CLOSEUPS of various Democrats speaking. However, they used the Moveon ad as a way of giving them political coverage in case they had their hand called on it.

I believe these folks are that desperate. In doing this, Bush and his family need to be exposed. Kerry needs to issue a statement showing how outrageous the ad is.

Damn.

[LiviaOlivia]

36. kick

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[Raskolnik]

37. Hey Mopaul...THIS is why I think the Nazi comparison is stupid.

Because the worst of every side uses it when they have run out of ideas. (as the GOP obviously has)

You know how mad you are right now? (and rightfully so) THAT'S what we make everday Americans feel like when WE call anyone who supports W a Nazi. Its ridiculous when we do it and goddamn ridiculous when someone associated with W does it.

Let's not let them get away with it.

[Cheswick2.0]

43. don't be silly

no one gives a shit what people blurt out on a message board. For the pResident to have it on his website is a very different matter.

[Raskolnik]

46. No argument there.

It is certainly shameful for the President to have something like that on his site.

I'm not sure where I'm being "silly", though, if I argue that our reaction to such inflammatory, unthinking tripe should let us know what others probably think of us shouting "Nazi!" at everything we don't agree with.

Just food for thought I guess.

[info being]

38. I think the ad is legit

They are using clips that make me proud to be a member of the resistance. They are betting on the fact that the apathetic sheep/bush supporters will be turned off by our rhetoric. They may be right.

We do need to go beyond anger and offer more hope and vision.

[TexasSissy]

41. That's not the way I see it. They are spitting back....

the Hitler ad that Moveon.org ran. So it's being used to show that the DEMOCRATS are so out of control that they are using Hitler references, or they are implying the Dems in the video are Hitler-like. Either way......hey, it's fair, folks. Moveon.org used it first. (But the Moveon.org ad was WAY better, in part because of the eery similarity between the Nazis and SOME of the Republican policies, like the secrecy, the deception, the restrictions in personal freedoms and privacy, etc.)

[Cheswick2.0]

42. no, that is not how advertising works

That is way too complicated for people to figure out. They are doing exactly what people on the thread are claiming. They are putting in the faces and voices of Nazi Germany and associating them with Gore Kerry etc....

[TexasSissy]

45. I know people might think that. But it's Moveon.org's Hitler

pieces. It even flashes "Moveon.org" after the first Hitler stream. All's fair. They're turning the tables. We'd do the same.

But the Moveon.org ad was much more effective, since it's closer to the truth. The Democrats are not in power, they have not pushed for the things that the Nazis pushed for...the connection just isn't there for their ad to be effective.

[0rganism]

44. In what sense did Moveon.org "run the Hitler ad"?

People submitted unscreened ads to Moveon.org as part of a contest. Moveon REMOVED the Hitler ads from their site.

[thebigidea]

49. That is NOT true. MoveOn.org did NOT run this ad, nor did they create it

"hey, it's fair, folks. Moveon.org used it first"

Hey, why don't we be even fairer. Try the truth

[Malva Zebrina]

47. I am beginning to understand the propaganda coming from the

fascist Bush regime.

When the enemy (that is the opposition party or even one's own -people) begins to catch on and accuse one of being a fascist, the attack and propaganda of choice is to accuse them of the same thing.



This does not work however, because we the little people, who are quite aware of the fascism of Bush, cannot ever be accused of being fascists.

This latest attempt to attack his own people, is an indication of the insanity of George the little boy with the little prick, Bush to destroy the people in his own country.

[ithinkmyliverhurts]

50. The Nazi clips are from the ad submitted to Moveon.org

That's how they can justify its presence in the ad. They've merely interspersed the "rage" from the ad with the "rage" of our candidates.

If you object to the use of Nazi images, you are essentially objecting to the ad submitted to Moveon.org--an ad, by the way, that was concretely and ABSOLUTELY rejected at the time.

They get a two-fer on this one: they get to implicate the dems. with Nazis by using a Nazi ad submitted to a dem.-supporting organization. And they get to denounce the use of such ads. It's quite crafty. They're waiting for objections and for the controversy to break. They can't wait to explain themselves on this one (trust me, trust me).

But now Moveon needs to locate the original makers of that ad and see if it wasn't a plant all along. I wouldn't be surprised.

[mopaul]

51. Kerry would've never made an ad comparing repubs to nazis

but bushco sinks below all known levels of sliminess.

[ithinkmyliverhurts]

54. But bushco will have a line of defense with regards to the ad.

It's quite simple: they show how our "beloved" president was compared to the Nazis by these Bush haters. See how much they hat this man who is trying to save us. They even compared him to the Nazis.

And, in the meantime, they get to compare the dems. with the Nazis.

These guys have balls. Everyday theye bet on the stupidity of the citizenry. We'll see.

Slimy has too many positive connotations for this bunch.

[Ksec]

52. Its part of his unifying the country strategy

Hes a uniter , not a divider. :)

[snippy]

55. Karl Rove was the first person to compare Bush to Hitler.

Of course it was in an admiring and worshipful way.

Drudge excerpting from Woodward's book "Bush At War:

ROVE THOUGHT POST-9/11 WORLD SERIES GAME LIKE NAZI RALLY

"The president emerged wearing a New York Fire Department windbreaker. He raised his arm and gave a thumbs-up to the crowd on the third base side of the field. Probably 15,000 fans threw their arms in the air imitating the motion.

He then threw a strike from the rubber, and the stadium erupted. Watching from owner George Steinbrenner’s box, Karl Rove thought, It’s like being at a Nazi rally." (p. 277)

http://www.drudgereport.com/wood.htm (emphasis added).

It seems to iritate Reich wingers whenever I point this out.

[mopaul]

56. kick

[porphyrian]

57. All Fucking Traitors Must Fucking Hang!

We don't do firing squad anymore, do we?

[AntiCoup2K4]

59. Maybe a response to this ad should be a historical one.

What were Al Gore's, Howard Dean's, Michael Moore's, Gephardt's, and Kerry's grandfathers doing in the 1930's?

I'd bet my life savings they weren't financing Adolf fucking Hitler. :grr:

[Paradise]

60. The "Wild-eyed" Nazi pResident! nt

[Skittles]

61. there's really nothing else they can do

it's the only card they can play - the anger card. They certainly cannot run on Dubya's record for the past few years. The fact that they compare our anger to the actions of Nazis speaks volumes.