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Bush_Eats_Beef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-04 10:20 AM
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Count Wolfowitz on the Al Qaida - Saddam connection: "We know"


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5280063/

Paul Wolfowitz: We know the enemy, which is al-Qaida, and the killers of Saddam’s regime, made an alliance with each other. Their target right now is create as much chaos as they can.

Unbalanced media coverage
Wolfowitz: There was a recent showing of the real prison abuses that took place in Abu Ghraib, under Saddam’s regime. You don’t see that being reported.

Iraq’s terrorism connection
Wolfowitz: Iraq should be part of the campaign against terror. The president laid that out correctly within a few weeks after 9/11. He said that our enemy wasn’t just al Qaida, but states that supported them, and terrorism.

The president went to the U.N. early on, and on September he laid out a whole agenda on the concerns and issues we had with Iraq. There was weapons of mass destruction, their support for terror, and terror against their own people.
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truthspeaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-04 10:21 AM
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1. LIES LIES LIES
And where is the press? How come he can insult the press and they still kiss his ass?
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ugarte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-04 10:29 AM
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6. Straight out of Goebbels 101
The Big Lie, just keep saying it. Soon people will get tired of refuting it.
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shaolinmonkey Donating Member (812 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-04 10:24 AM
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2. How long will they meme these unsupported lies?
How long will the media allow them to repeat them. A real journalist would site all the evidence to the contrary after each one of these statements. It's sickening. Wolfowitz is a liar and a warmonger. Give him a helmet and a rifle and put him on the night watch.

100th post, BTW. W00t! Nice that I could get into Wolfie's grill on number 100.
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patdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-04 10:26 AM
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3. Aren't we (US) the 'killers of Saddam's regime?
Paul Wolfowitz: We know the enemy, which is al-Qaida, and the killers of Saddam’s regime, made an alliance with each other. Their target right now is create as much chaos as they can.

I would call that the TRUTH, as inadvertent as it may have been!!!
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Bush_Eats_Beef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-04 10:32 AM
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8. Well, we know we trained and financed Bin Laden...
...unless they're planning on denying that too. If he's a monster, then Uncle Sam is also Dr. Frankenstein.

The "chaos," as I see it, is fervent and unyielding repetition of the Bush administration talking points. Evil Dick got a "get out of jail free" card today, which I'm sure will be the cause for much celebration. Bush circumvented the Geneva Conventions, Rumsfeld approved torture, Ashcroft has his own baggage, but THEY WILL NOT BE INTIMIDATED by "thugs" and terrorists. No matter how many innocent people are beheaded. That's what Wolfie is saying...they reportedly have 25,000 additional troops reads if things "worsen." Yeah. "If."

Worst...president...EVER.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-04 10:27 AM
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4. LIAR!
That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security. --Such has been the patient sufferance of these colonies...
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-04 10:28 AM
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5. My nephew and I discussed this
and it led to a debate: who is the most evil human in the administration? I said Wolfowitz, and he said Cheney. A strong case could be made for either one, I suppose. But I think he is a demonic figure.
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nuxvomica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-04 10:31 AM
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7. Why didn't Tweety ask him this:
"How can we be sure you know so much when you don't even know how many American soldiers have died in Iraq?"
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Bush_Eats_Beef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-04 10:38 AM
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9. Because when you fall in love...REALLY fall in love...it's forever...
...and Tweety fell head-over-heels in love when he saw Bush in the flight suit. He will never live down the often-repeated comments about how women like a guy like Bush because he looks so "presidential." Those photos changed Tweety's life...and his credibility.

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Skarbrowe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-04 11:27 AM
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10. Tweety on vacation?

Tweety must be on vacation. Campbell Brown had Wolfie on and, uh, well she ain't Tweety. Tweety can really piss me off when he doesn't let people finish their sentences, but watching Campbell (sp) for two nights I realized why he does it. She let every RW guest she had on, go on, and on, and even though she asked hard questions, you could tell she was no match for these guys.

The best time I saw Wolfie was when they bombed the building in Iraq that he was staying in. He was walking around dazed and covered in dust. Oh, how fitting it would have been. Oops. Just put another chink in my spirituality.


Skarbrowe
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-04 11:43 AM
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11. Wolfowitz: NO DOUBT EXISTS about Soviet capabilities...
Edited on Thu Jun-24-04 11:43 AM by JHB
...back in 1976 (Wolfy, Rummy, Perle too at the congerssional-aide end). F***ing neocons have spent 30 years getting it wrong.

Many of the very same people who deliberately created the misimpression about Iraq to goad the American people into supporting a war had already executed a run-through of the same strategy in the 1970s. Back then, establishment hardliners associated with the now defunct “Committee on the Present Danger” heaped scorn upon the professional intelligence services for their alleged underestimation of Soviet military capabilities. They succeeded in convincing then-CIA Director, George H.W. Bush, to appoint a now infamous "Team B" to go through the same material and come up with an answer that would justify a vast increase in U.S. defense spending. With the powerful political patronage of then-Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, its members, including Paul Wolfowitz, came up with astronomical numbers for alleged Soviet military spending and capabilities. As Newsweek’s Farred Zakaria, a moderately conservative war supporter, has observed, “In retrospect, Team B’s conclusions were wildly off the mark.” It argued, for instance, that back in 1976, the Soviets enjoyed "a large and expanding Gross National Product." It credited them with double the number Backfire bombers the nation could actually produce. It turns out that even the CIA’s much pilloried estimates for Soviet military capabilities were far too generous. Sounding very much as if he were talking about Iraqi WMD capabilities 30 years later, Rumsfeld claimed, “No doubt exists about the capabilities of the Soviet armed forces.”
http://www.americanprogress.org/site/pp.asp?c=biJRJ8OVF&b=11003
(and other places)
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