how much more American soldier slaughter before we STAND UP ? (PHOTOs)

[diamond14]

like Vietnam....three years into Afganistan and over two years in
Iraq, and WE THE PEOPLE seem to have an endless acceptance of this...everyday more...and there is NO OUTRAGE...none...

half of all Americans LOVE THIS CRAP !!! and want more...

we're just sitting and waiting for that BIG "SUCKED INTO THE INTAKE" SOUND...called the draft....coming soon to YOUR neighborhood...







http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article6360.htm


These are OUR sons, daughters, cousins, fathers, mothers, sisters, brothers, friends...bush* still hasn't given these American Soldiers the Kevlar vests that might have saved their lives...while cheney's haliburton corp. and other war-profiteers steal all OUR money, OUR soldiers go without bullet-proof vests and other protective equipment....

[Southsideirish]

1. It is confounding to me how the American people can tolerate

this daily carnage.

[frankly_fedup2]

6. So what do you suggest the American People do?

I mean should we start a Revolution? How do we do this? How do we get a large group of people to take on the American Military because that is who we would be fighting our coup against. Bush is their Commander and Chief.

The Patriots fought the Crown from taking over the New land that was to become the USA. However, they had the same fire power as their enemy. We don't have that. Where do we get money to back us?

We found out in the election of 2000 that we no longer had a voice. We had Taxation without Representation as soon as the Supreme Court put Bush in the White House. That is anti-constitutional but did it stop them . . . nope.

Really, what do you suggest the American People do?

[diamond14]

10. register to vote....get 10 of your friends to register...VOTE...and

vote for Kerry...and every Democrat on the ticket....

since you live in Virginia...here's a start to getting 10 people to register to Vote....copy this and give it to people...start NOW, STAND UP and take back America....whiners not needed....
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Voting in Virginia….1,2,3

In Virginia, we will vote for a President of the United States of America on November 2, 2004

There are THREE steps to Voting in Virginia.
CALL 1-800-552-9745 (toll-free) TODAY, so you won't miss the DEADLINES.

1. You must be a United States Citizen AND you must be a Resident of Virginia.

"Resident of Virginia" means that you live in the State of Virginia, and declare your address to be your HOME. Each person must have some place where they can vote. Even the homeless may register by using the location of "where they lay their head at night".

If you moved to Virginia from another state or country, or moved from a different address, you must change your RESIDENCE (your HOME address). You can change your address AND register to vote at the Virginia Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV), or at your local Voter Registration Office.

2. You must be REGISTERED to vote in Virginia
This means that you have signed up to vote in Virginia, and your application has been accepted, and YOU are now 'on the list' to VOTE at your neighborhood voting place (called a 'Polling Place'). Here is how to REGISTER to Vote in Virginia:

a.) Call the State Board of Elections 1-800-552-9745 (toll-free)
They will give you the phone number and address of YOUR city/county Voter Registration Office (called the local "Registrar's Office"). Your Registrar's Office is part of your local city or county government. You can also find phone number for the Registrar's Office by calling 411.

b.) Then, call YOUR local Registrar's Office. Ask them to check if YOU are already registered in YOUR local area. If you are NOT registered, they will send you the form for Voting (called the Virginia Voter Registration Form). YOU can only vote at ONE location, in YOUR neighborhood, near where you call your HOME (your RESIDENCE)

YOUR local Registrar's Office can tell you WHERE to vote in person, or send YOU an absentee ballot (absentee ballot is a paper ballot, that you write on and mail into the Registrar's Office, if you cannot vote in person. There are DEADLINES for registering to vote, and for absentee ballots. CALL TODAY ! Do NOT delay. Your local Registrar's Office can also answer any questions that YOU may have about VOTING IN VIRGINIA.


3. VOTE on Tuesday, November 2, 2004 for the President of the United States of America. There may also be votes on the same day, for YOUR local officials, YOUR representatives in the United States Congress, and other issues concerning YOUR government.

Here's a web link to "Voting in Virginia". You can find all the rules and information here:
http://www.sbe.state.va.us

[Nlighten1]

17. Voting for Kerry...

won't stop this war or Haliburton from stealing our money.

[diamond14]

21. you are DEAD WRONG on that one....

Kerry served as a prosecutor, and put mafia behind bars...

Also, Kerry was IN VIETNAM, getting shot at....the first step for Kerry is to GET ELECTED...then, the second step will be to end the Iraq war...he's essentially said that, as much as anyone can and still get elected, and he's put forward a plan to pull our soldiers out ASAP....Kerry has worked for YEARS for energy independence from ME oil...and Kerry will put LOTS of money into energy without OIL...wind, solar, biomass conversions, and biofuels...

that is why bush* is fighting and all the reTHUGlicans as hard as they can...because Kerry will move OUR country away from the radical right-wing war fanatics, and all their war-profiteering industries will go down the toilet...

you can STAND UP and change America, or you can sit and whine and complain from your couch...while adding that 'little' nasty remarks to encourage everyone to vote for bush* or not vote at all...or vote for nadar...all of which is very destructive and will guarantee 4 more years of bush*....

[Nlighten1]

24. We shall see won't we.

I am voting for Kerry so put your fangs away. I just don't worship Kerry like you do.

[NickB79]

35. Kerry proposed ADDING 40,000 troops to Iraq just a few weeks ago

How is that helping to end this war?

[Robin Hood]

16. Not only tolerate, But I believe that they enjoy it.

That's how far removed the general public has become from reality. It's like a car wreck where everyone slows down to see if they can get a glimpse of carnage. Maybe they are hoping that the brutality will fill the empty void that is their life.

That is the only explanation that I can think of for the lack of outrage.

[diamond14]

31. very true and very sad....the lack of potential draftees in any active

effort to put Kerry into the Presidency, to rally against bush*'s wars in the streets of American, and to get out and register to vote is simply appalling....

it truly appears that nobody of draft age seems to care enough to lift a finger...

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[lefty_mcduff]

22. You do realize...

That 75% of the so-called reconstruction projects are stalled due to security concerns and mismanagement of resources, manpower and money? So were did you get your RW talking point - Faux? Limbaugh?

Your concern for the 'appearance' and 'spin' of Bush's clusterfuck is truly heart warming - "never mind the dead kids, look at the nice schools we built".

Then again, I took the troll bait. I need a good slapping.

[Robin Hood]

23. Hog shit.

No school being re-built(after our shock and awe) is worth the life of even one of our citizens. And if Bush had left the inspectors do their job, we would not have lost a single one of these fine, brave, and mis used American soldiers. You ought to be ashamed of touting the Repub propaganda especially when it comes to continuing the slaughter of our people for Bush's war for re-election. oil, and no-bid reconstruction projects.

What do the soldiers get for their sacrifice? A big dick in the ass from halliburton is what they get.

[Skittles]

28. how many of those schools did we destroy in bombing raids?

also, how come republicans, who don't give a flying F*** about dilapidated schools in America, care SO MUCH about schools in Iraq??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

[Malva Zebrina]

2. Not me

I have not and will not accept one ounce of any of it at all.

I will not accept that a Kerry voted voted for it because he did not know any better and had bad intelligence. That is as much a spin as anything Bush puts out and is to me, just as despicable.

I cannot ever forget this massacre that was supported by our Senate who voted to let an insane man be insane and invade like a loose canon, innocent children, women old men and old women and pregnant women and all of those human beings who never did a thing, were nefver a threat to us at all. We bombed them to bits for a week.

I will not and I refuse to accept it now because--well because since we are there, we really do need to do something to help the Iraq people, which everyone must know is a euphemism for taking over the country and installing the United States corporations in every crucial business that would control the country--including it's oil

and this is what they all voted for, knowing that once there, once bombed it would be hard for Bush to control it in only a couple of years.

They all voted for it because they wanted it.

and the reasons given by the insane, over his head, Bush for invading and killing these thousands of innocents without a blink of an eye, or an expression of remorse for this slaughter, are being sucked down into the memory hole.

It has been virtually forgotten and the big deal now is that we got rid of Saddam because he was such a bad man. Rejoice~ We are great.

But it was really that he was a threat to us because he had WMD by the tons.

I will never forget this debacle. Never will accept anything else but that it was a greedy slaughter and a calculated slaughter based on trumped up lies coming from a man who is a proven coward who was interested in only pay back to his business donators.

It is simply mind boggling and amazing that the people who did that are still there and indeed they have the support of a good percentage of the American people.

Simply amazing that they continue to rake in a salary which we provide to them, as well as all the perps that go with it.

It is easy to understand now, where I never understood it before, how the German people simply laid back and let Hitler do what he will seemingly unaware.

[Jacobin]

5. Thank you thank you thank you

So glad to know I'm not alone in thinking that way

[G_j]

15. I'm with you on that

they should all be held accountable. I don't plan on letting them forget it.

[Q]

32. I have to agree with Marianne...

...every single 'representative' who voted for this 'war' knew what would happen. They knew Bush* was lying and STILL voted for it. Democrats (with few exceptions) WANTED THIS SO-CALLED WAR.

- Dems and GOPers alike make excuses AFTER THE FACT...but they ALL wanted this bloodshed and Bush* gave them what they wanted. One thing is clear: neither fking party cares that Americans and Iraqis are DYING IN A NEEDLESS, UNNECESSARY WAR.

[neverforget]

3. If it doesn't affect me, then I don't care is how most people probably

feel. Very disgusting, really.

[Tansy_Gold]

8. That is EXACTLY what my 18-year-old niece said to me

in January.

"It doesn't affect me. Why should I care?"

When I told her she might care more if her 19-year-old boyfriend was drafted and sent there, her reaction was little different.

"Yeah, maybe, but I'm not gonna worry about it now. I got better things to do."

[neverforget]

9. People need to wake up and realize how important this election

is. It matters who's president and most people don't realize that.

[Auntie Bush]

12. Does your 18 year old daughter realize that if there is a draft

that she will be drafted too?

[Jacobin]

4. When the draft comes back, that's when

It happened in Vietnam and it'll happen in IraqNam after years of slaughter and thousands of american deaths and tens of thousands of Iraqi deaths.

Fucked up, huh?

[frankly_fedup2]

7. Personally,

I'm tired of hearing that another innocent human being has been BEHEADED by these terrorist animals.

I have a feeling they are going to do at least one beheading a week.

Our administration is not doing a damn thing about it. I keep trying to get on the White House website; however, I can never get there. Hopefully, there are a lot of people telling him what I want to tell him.

Shit or get off the pot Bush!

[ElectroPrincess]

14. terrorist animals

Gosh, if the Bush Administration is to be believed this Al Zarkowi <sp?> ... supposed Terrorist chief is in every damn safe house we choose to bomb.

Yes, I want to alleviate terrorism. No doubt the actions are animistic. But these are humans doing this ... again, beheading is an acceptable execution method in Saudi Arabia. I don't think we are all willing to stereotype all of the Arabian ME as "animals."

We have to take measured responses on confirmed intelligence, not go bombing just for the sake of revenge. Most of all, we need to get the young Iraqi men back to work so they will not be tempted to join the nationalists.

[Wright Patman]

19. * has been defecating

on the entire planet. Would that we could lock him away in a bathroom somewhere and contain his incontinence within the proper receptacle.

[Jacobin]

30. What do you think they could do to stop it?

BTW, in case you haven't noticed, we invaded THEIR country on a pretext to steal their oil, they are pissed off and are fighting to run us out. People get killed in wars, including our people.

We blow up people with rockets and bombs and that's cool, but they kill one of ours by removing his head and that awful?

Beam me up scotty.

:eyes:

[qanda]

11. I haven't cried in a long time over this war

Thanks for reminding me that this is war and it is sad. :cry:

[thebigmansentme]

13. umm

I cannot ever forget this massacre that was supported by our Senate who voted to let an insane man be insane and invade like a loose canon, innocent children, women old men and old women and pregnant women and all of those human beings who never did a thing, were nefver a threat to us at all.


i think the people in these pictures are american soldiers and they are the ones being slaughtered by your innocent old men and old women, that was the point of this thread i believe. of course there are some innocent people caught in all this, but so are our soldiers, they don't choose where they get sent to and most of them try to act honorably.

are you saying that people were better off when saddam was killing them? bush acted like an idiot, but if we also invaded rwanda and sudan to protect the innocent, you'd have our soldiers killing just as many people who are trying to kill them.

[ElectroPrincess]

18. Good point - one clarification

I think we have to say that newborns, babies and toddlers can be considered "innocent."

Soldiers and Contractors - of course not.

Civilians - Unfortunately not.

[Disturbed]

25. No outrage?

There are a lot of reasons that most of the American public is not outraged at American troops being killed and maimed and Iraqi and Afghanis being killed and maimed.

What are those many reasons?

[Zen]

26. Warning - reality photo within...

Killed While Surrendering

Perhaps it might be easier for some to see why they think nothing of cutting someones head off...

[wiggs]

27. War costs and Catch 22

Warning: rant. I appreciate the opportunity and apologize in advance.

With the high number of casualties, we have grown numb to hearing about death in Iraq. One or two American deaths over there barely rates a mention on the news or in newspapers anymore. News of Americans wiping out a wedding party or killing a dozen overmatched insurgents hardly registers in a durable way either. Because of the numbing, we forget to be outraged, we forget to accurately balance benefits with costs, we forget perspective.

Another poster quoted an article that essentially said that the frequent occurance of administration screwups and disasters causes us to not pay attention to yesterday's outrage in favor of today's. We are numbed by the sheer quantity of failures. It is one thing when we forget to be outraged by administration lying to Congress about Medicare costs or by relaxing of environmental regulations, but we cannot afford to forget about killing tens of thousands of people, ours and theirs together.

I hope, when we calculate the costs of this war in balance with the benefits, we don't just focus on the number of American military dead. It is tragic that 840 Americans are gone and it hits home when we pause to think about it because they are, as you say, our sons, daughters, cousins, friends, neighbors, etc..

In 1991, I remember feeling sad and outraged that Bush 41 proudly proclaimed that we took more than 100,000 Iraqi lives in our (justified) action back then. There was no sense of sadness or loss...it was like points in an arcade game. Sure we had victory for which we should be grateful, but mowing down hapless conscipts should not be celebrated with glee.

In this war, which does NOT have the same level of justification as in 1991, there are 11,000-30,000 dead Iragis (could be much higher) who are also sons, daughters, cousins and brothers of someone else. They died when we attacked their country. They died either in defense of their country or as innocents (probably at least 10,000 of these). Many many more are injured and/or maimed. Think of the number 840 and how much we are affected, then think of 30,000 and appreciate the impact on the Iraqis. We didn't know them and they didn't live in our neighborhoods but they had a lot in common with us. I bet very, very few were Al Queda. More than 50% of the total Iraqi population is under 18 years old...how many of the 30,000 were under 18?

War is brutal, sad, and tragic and there is plenty of suffering on both sides. This is why you don't go to war unless absolutely necessary and as a last, honorable resort.

Preparing soldiers for war involves dehumanizing the enemy. We see this in Abu Ghraib and in beheadings. Preparing the PUBLIC for war often involves a similar dehumanizing process that we must resist. We have to care about both sides. We are diminished otherwise.

Yossarian was given a choice of staying in the Catch-22 version of a nightmare war or leaving for home on the condition that he agree to "like" his commanders, forgetting anger and outrage. Rather than live as a dimished, dehumanized person with his head in the sand, he chose healthy outrage and sanity.

[diamond14]

29. we can STAND UP now and VOTE for Kerry....

register at least ten other people, and bring them to the voting place....

if everyone registered and took 10 people to the polling place, we could take back America.....

it's time now that everyone STANDS UP....Vietnam went on like this for 14 years...today, Afganistan is in it's third year, and Iraq is in it's second year...if everyone sits on their couches some more, it'll be about 14 years of the same before we leave in disgrace...Vietnam regurgitated...

[Q]

33. Your rhetoric rings hollow...

...and you obviously haven't read between the lines. Both the GOP and the Democratic party plan on STAYING IN IRAQ. In fact...in a game of oneupsmanship...the Dem party plans on increasing the military budget (for a 'stronger' military) and keeping troops in Iraq for a very long time. It doesn't matter that the Dems call them 'peacekeeping' troops...they'll still be sitting ducks in a war that didn't need to happen.

- When it comes to war and the military...the two parties differ only by small degrees.

[elf]

34. I can't vote yet (green card holder) BUT

I've got my housekeeper registered. She is in her 50th and never voted before.
Some good political education, some hints and she started to build up her mind.
I helped her getting the paperwork done, and now she will vote the first time and I know whom she will give her vote!!!!