It's nearly time to cut Davis loose

[jos]

Let me say straightup that I oppose the recall and think it is little more than a right-wing coup attempt. However, it is becoming clearer and clearer that Davis is not going to win the vote. At best, I think he's heading for a 40-60 defeat. Therefore, by Labor Day, at the latest, the party and the unions should make it clear to Davis that they will not back him. That they will not waste precious resources on an effort doomed to fail. Rather, these resources should be directed towards electing Bustamante, a much more doable feat. Whether Davis resigns or not is not all that important. What is important is that resources not be wasted on what is, unforunately, a race that is unwinnable.

[PROGRESSIVE1]

1. I must agree with you, Jos! But...

I think that they should let him go next weekend, a week before Labor Day. I say this because Bustamante needs a running start, NOW!!!! He cannot wait. He must fight the Damn Repug Junta and Schwarze"NAZI". He needs to get his numbers ahead of Arnie and must maintain his lead for an a few weeks. This will show that he has a viable candidacy and will win!

[Droopy]

2. What makes you think he's headed for defeat?

Have you seen any polls that back up your 40-60 statement? What makes you think that the same people that voted for him the first time won't come back and do it again?

[jos]

5. Latest Field poll

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=181370

[Droopy]

8. 10-4

Did you hear that the DNC is backing Davis? I wonder how that will play into another Dem candidate getting a shot?

[kentuck]

3. He is being attacked because he stood up to the power companies...

and Enron, and Ken Lay. He stood up to the deregulators. He stood up to the Repub contributors. Now they say his approval ratings are only 22%. Why doesn't he just resign. Mostly because it is a bunch of bull. Just before the election, you can bet they will not be so confident in their poll numbers...it will be much closer. The present numbers are for propaganda and intimidation purposes only.

[PROGRESSIVE1]

6. Yes but the voters of Calif are asses!!!!

if they do NOT see this!!!! I hope the recall is defeated but chances are it will pass. Maybe we should not let the people have too much democracy??

[Mairead]

12. That doesn't sound like the history I remember

What I remember is that he bloviated, wrung his hands, and then put the people in debt to pay the extortion.

'Standing up' to them would have required something more forceful, such as declaring martial law and taking over the grid. Let's face it--that 'crisis' was an organised, criminal attack on a truly massive scale. That is exactly the sort of condition for which martial law is appropriate, if not the sort (uprising by fed-up citizens) for which it was designed.

[slackmaster]

69. He should have listened to Senator Diane Feinstein

DiFi advised Davis to let the market take care of the energy "crisis" on its own. She said if prices got too high people would respond by conserving power, which they did. Davis' ham-handed intervention resulted in long-term contracts at inflated prices, which we Californians are going to be paying for many years to come.

[GainesT1958]

4. They DO need to dump him--and NEXT WEEK if possible!

The sooner they cut Davis' "tumor" out, and rally behind Cruz Bustamente, the better. And they need to give Bustamente as much of a head start as possible--remember, the election is on October 7, NOT November 7--only FIVE WEEKS after Labor Day!

B-)

[Capn Sunshine]

34. LOOK. THIS COMES DOWN TO DOLLARS AND CENTS

Even if Bustamante wins, WE LOSE>

Unless we reject the recall
OUR BOND RATING IS LOWERED PERMANENTLY FOR PROVING WE ARE UNSTABLE.

Result: I just did the math. Minimum 2 billion per year EXTRA INTEREST

This amount equals 25% of the current deficit number.

[kentuck]

7. I can't believe you all are falling for this scam...

They want you to believe it is unwinnable because Gray Davis is an enemy of Big Power, Ken Lay, Bush, and Repubs. What will you say when his numbers are much better near the election?

And why should he simply surrender to the fascists? Why should he go down without a fight? I don't get it??

[mkregel]

10. Hey Hey Hey

You can support the Democratic candidate while voting against the recall...

Just vote "NO on Recall, YES on Bustamante"

BTW... I say RUN GRAY RUN! He may not be the best, but he's better than the alternatives

[Capn Sunshine]

35. That's The ticket

just make sure you vote NO.

[dfong63]

50. davis should resign to help bustamante

put yourself in Cruz's shoes. he can't campaign freely on how he'll fix the state's problems without it being seen as a slam against Davis. every other candidate has the freedom to articulate what's wrong in sacramento and how they'll fix it. except Cruz. Davis needs to resign in order to allow Cruz to wage a real campaign. the sooner the better. there's not one day to spare.

[kentuck]

9. Fight them !

Don't surrender!

[CatWoman]

11. Agreed, Kentuck

I don't know what's wrong with some of these people!!!

Fair weather friends, indeed.

[Hanuman]

36. I don't support politicians because of the letter...

after their name. I support them if they are smart, sensible leaders. Davis ain't it, baby. Here are some figures from an article written by Larry Elder which explains why people of ALL stripes are against Davis. But of course Elder is just a libertarian wing nut, so don't pay any attention to this:

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=34081

With fair weathered friends like these....

[kentuck]

38. Is Arnold "smart, sensible..." ?

Just curious...the old axiom about the perfect being the enemy of the good?

[Hanuman]

40. All I know about Ahhhhnold is:

He makes kick-ass action films. Beyond that, I got nuthin.

But, I KNOW that Davis is a failure, at least from where I'm sitting. Many of the reasons cited by Elder in the above article illustrate. Not all, but many.

So, where you going with this, Kentuck?

[kentuck]

42. Do you actually believe that Davis is to blame...primarily?

Enron, deregulation, the Bush Administration, and the power boys that are looking for revenge on Gray Davis had nothing to do with it?? If so, I'm wasting my breath.

[Hanuman]

44. NO!

Davis did not devise the energy "crisis." But he was taken in by it. I saw the mistakes he was about to make in signing those blasted contracts weeks before he did, and I can't forgive him for being so stupid,

But, the energy scam did not create the deficit, as you know, he merely heaped the misery of higher energy rates onto the backs of the rate payers. The deficit was created through overspending. Again, the overspending was not actually conducted by the governor, but the legislature, but I have to take Davis to task for not vetoing fiscally irresponsible budgets.

[kentuck]

47. Do you think the $50 billion that Enron took out of ....

California economy had any impact on California's overall economy and, by extension, any impact on the nation's economy. The rest of us are not isolated from the 7th largest economy in the world, are we? Any opinions?

[Hanuman]

49. I'm sure it did...

I haven't seen the 50 Billion number, but I'll just take your word for it. And of course, there's nothing I'd like more than to have Ken Lay and all the responsible scumbags in prison. It does nothing but infuriate me that our crap administration seems to be shielding these f*cks from prosecution.

But this does not excuse Davis. Being an idiot is not an excuse. I can't support a gumby governor because of the little (D) behind his name. I don't care if this joker going down hurts the party- I'm not into party's, I'm into doing things right.

If nothing else, the recall might put the fear of the people into the hearts of politicians to get smarter and shape up. Enron is just one of many gripes I have against Davis.

[kentuck]

53. "I'm not into party's, I'm into doing things right." ??

How is recalling Davis and putting the Repubs in power "doing things right"?

[Hanuman]

60. I like the idea of the message

it sends to politicians that they are being watched and scrutinized. If they show incompetence, ineptitude or overt favoritism, we-the-people don't even have to wait for the next election to boot their asses out.

ANd I don't thyink this recall is an automatic hand-off to the republicans. If Davis can dredge up enough support- he stays. Bustamonte can win it, too. This is the people saying loud and clear to start doing things differently.

This is good for politicians on both sides of the aisle. Hell, maybe this shake up will send the shock waves needed to get ChimpCo's sorry-ass administration to prosecute Ken Lay.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

63. No this is a millionaire capitalizing on a measure that was designed to do

that....:eyes:

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

65. ENRON is one of your many gripes against Davis? He didn't create it.

you have stepped all over your tongue in this thread.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

62. How were those budgets irresponsible if the state had a surplus when he

signed them?

[Hanuman]

67. Here's a story for you:

Back in 1998 or 99, I had a friend over for dinner (I served him with fava beans and... sorry)

We got to talking about the incredible run up in the tech sector of the market. He was explaining how this was a "New Economy" that was going to be immune from the crashes and bubbles of the past. That this economy would last forever.

I pointed out that this run up was largely being fueld by start-up companies with marginal products, websites like MyPoints.com where you get points for clicking on things while you're surfing that are redeemable later for prizes. Remember that? Didn't think so.

I told him that this economy was bound to fail. The irrational exuberance, the extraordinary P/E ratios, the lack of profits and the debt- it was a house of cards.

Davis apparently didn't have the native intelligence to see this house coming down. While there might have been a projected or even a real surplus at one time, it was clearly obvious to anyone with half a brain, that the surplus was based on the revenues from the tech bubble.

During Davis' first four years in office, spending increased 36 percent – far higher than the 5 percent annual increase in the state's population and inflation.

Apparently, Davis was no smarter than my friend who thought that the tech economy was infinite- the difference is, I can love my friend even though he's not very financially smart because he doesn't control the future of the state of California.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

68. Here's a story for you

The claims that the budget increased by that much compared to the population does NOT take into account the dilapidated shape our trauma centers, schools, law enforcement and other services were in when Davis assumed office due to the years of Draconian rule by Deukmejian then Wilson. Wilson ad Duekmejian addressed serious infrastructure by ignoring them. Davis approved programs based on necessity.

He was IN FACT elected to SPEND ON EDUCATION, LAW ENFORCEMENT and HEALTHCARE.

The tech bubble was going to crash but that is also another poorly investigated area since there is evidence that PPO's were deliberately inflated by the east coast banking industry and we have YET to see a federal investigation into all of that rigermarole.

The bubble itself would have cut into revenues but NOT to the degree that the energy crisis (which was the initial cause of the downgrading of our bonds) did.

[Hanuman]

70. Whenever we talk about budgets

it always gets down to the argument that cops are going to get pulled off the street, trauma centers are going to close down and kids are going to starve to death.

It's not those things that kill the budget. It's EVERYTHING ELSE on top of all that. Our government is incredibly wasteful.

I'm not in favor of putting little old ladies out on the street, but our damn legislators make every dollar in the budget the "crisis" dollar, that if this one dollar is removed, kids will starve- so don't touch this dollar. It's a more-more-more mentality.

There's PLENTY of money coming from the pockets of Californians to pay for ALL the truly important programs, and (gasp) some of the programs can do it for less!

Oh my god I said it!

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

71. Yes. Publicly funded electricity did it for less.

As for the other expenditures, I have little tolerance for people who post in generalities rather than specifics. What would you cut? The burden is on you to prove your point.

[Hanuman]

72. I appreciate the debate...

but I doubt that any cuts I would propose would change your mind in any way.

I have no more time to devote to this discussion- believe it or not- I have a life outside the internet!

But I will just say this quite generally (cuz I know you hate that!) I would not have made big cuts during the late 1990's, but I would have not grown the budget nearly as much. As for today, I would balance the budget by cutting EVERYTHING by a little bit, by say 5%.

No one escapes the knife. No favorites. No pets.

Sorry I don't have more time to spar- you're good. You make me think. I appreciate your time and energy.

Bye!

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

73. Hopefully you will return

There were very very few programs that escaped cuts. The most salient being the California prison system. Although Davis receives donations handily from this labor group (which I DO have a problem with for it's ability to suck money) the fact is had he made those cuts, Repubs would have turned around and immediately accused him of being soft on crime. One of those double edged swords where no real meaningful debate will take place soon due to the HUGE dollars involved to private industry and fearmongring waged on the public. In fact, that's why the drug treatment initiative HAD to be on the ballot. Both parties have played the FEAR card with crime and punishment and BOTH parties pander to the law enforcement vote even bestowing greater rights on law enforcement in the labor code than other equally dangerous professions.

If a police officer has a heart attack, it is rebuttably presumed to be work related. If an inner city bus driver does (even though equal stress is involved with schedules, traffic and risks) it isn't.

[Boreas]

13. You're pissin' me off people...

See post #9 by kentuck. Read it or weep for yourselves.

[jos]

14. This is beginning to remind me of the Lewinsky affair

I was one of those who thought Clinton should have resigned before impeachment got underway. Not because I thought it was warranted, although relying on Dick Morris's advice and lying should probably be an impeachable offense, but because I knew that if Gore were the nominee in '00, he would suffer. Had Clinton resigned and Gore become President in, say, August '98, Gore would have won easily in '00, and we wouldn't be sitting in the shit, the way were are today.

So you can fight the good fight, and lose. Or face political reality and win. In short, you gotta know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em.

[NNN0LHI]

16. I was one of those who thought Clinton should have resigned...

Why does that not surprise me?

Don

[PurityOfEssence]

75. as a lifelong successful poker player

who plays with some pretty savvy sharks, I can tell you of many times I've won with laughable hands and many times I've lost with Boats, high flushes and the like. Davis can win this, and anyone who doesn't think so has never heard of the likes of Garry South or Willy Brown.

There is absolutely no reason why Davis should resign; there is every reason why he should fight vigorously, and use proxies to fight with scathing ugliness. The right needs to be reminded at every turn that they are sick, wrong and not supported. They need to meet such vehement opposition and obstruction that they think twice about pulling crap like this.

Enron should be pinned on the Republicans and Bush, Cheney and Lay should be brought into this in person and for real. The Republicans have raped California, and since THEY SAY that its guardian didn't protect her enough, they are demanding that they, the rapists, be given custody.

Drag Bush and Cheney into this and blame them for the whole thing. They're not liked out here by the swing voters who'll carry this thing, so all the usual snivelling cowardice about how their reputations make them dangerous to even insult simply has no foundation out here.

The voter issues, like forcing the vote through earlier to obfuscate the ballot, having less precincts open (which will absolutely disenfranchise the Democrats) and doing it before the primary should all be brought up as Coup d'Etat rush to resolution. It should be made into Class Warfare pure and simple: "rich people can just drive a little farther to a different polling place; poor people may simply not be able to get there."

Beyond all that, there is NO REASON FOR DAVIS TO DROP OUT.

[dolstein]

15. This is EXACTLY what the Republicans want

You see, once the Democrats abandon Davis, they're off the hook. The Republicans will point to Democratic defections and say -- "see -- this isn't a partisan witch hunt -- even DEMOCRATS don't want Davis." And pretty soon, people will forget that a small number of right-wing Republicans bankrolled a recall petition drive that overturned the results of an election that was less than a year old. And the bar for what is acceptable in our democracy will be lowered so subtly that nobody even notices.

[NNN0LHI]

17. You are right

If California wants another actor for a governor that is fine with me. They deserve what they get.

Don

[poskonig]

19. I agree 100%.

We need to defend Davis and Bustamante to the bitter end. We must shine light on Enron Arnold's fat cat agenda, in addition to pointing out things like Buffet's property tax increase to encourage conservative attacks on the front-runner.

The blackouts out east give Davis a huuueeeege opportunity to remind the public what his opponents stand for. I hope we don't drop the ball.

[shance]

18. If you were against this recall Jos, you wouldnt be posting these threads

So stop doing it if you really are a Democrat. I live in California and am sick of individuals like you trying to make things even worse.

If you want to be divisive, go somewhere else to do it, or heck go join the Republican party, they'd love to hear what you are saying.

[jos]

20. Oh, please!

Stick your head in the sand if you want. But don't start crying when Governor Arnold welcomes Shrub to Sacramento.

I feel the recall is as wrong as you do. But I think people also have to be realistic. And it's not like Davis is Paul Wellstone.

[shance]

22. Alrighty then lets start recalling EVERY governor who isnt like Wellstone

Either you have not considered the consequences of this recall or you simply don't care.

In the end, its not even a Republican or Democratic issue, its a DEMOCRACY issue.

You may want to bring YOUR head out of the sand.

[kentuck]

23. How does Davis resigning keep Arnold from becoming Governor ??

In fact, that would be the surest way to get him in as Governor. If Davis refuses to resign, the Democrats at least have a chance to win with the "Yes" or "No" recall vote. Why give that up? Why surrender? It is the up or down vote on the recall that the Democrats have the best chance of winning and the Repubs know that and that is why they are pushing the clever piece of propaganda that Davis "should resign". I am surprised so many Democrats are falling for that...

[jos]

26. He doesn't have to resign

as I pointed out above. But neither should he be entitled to the support of the party and the unions when there is another candidate with a good chance to win.

[kentuck]

27. That strategy makes absolutely no sense ??

I fail to see anything positive that could possible come from such a decision.

[jiacinto]

21. I think they should do both

Keep Davis but vote for Bustamente.

[jos]

25. I would too

But there's only so much money to go around, and a short amount of time. The money must be focused on the more winnable contest.

[jiacinto]

30. Of course

The campaign should be:

Vote No on Part I, Vote Bustamente on Part II

[kentuck]

32. And this is such a complicated ballot...with 135 candidates...

It is to the Democrats advantage to keep it as simple as possible...

Vote "NO" on recall and vote "Yes" for Bustamente..makes sense to me.

[musiclawyer]

24. What I've been saying for months...

He's going down. Even democrats don't want Davis. You all from California just don't get it. He's cold, he's weak, and he screwed all public employees who are not "safety." Ok, so he didn't set he fires. But he fiddled while the state burned. ....Clinton should have resigned to save the office for Gore. Davis should resign to save the offioce for Cruz. Otherwise, you watch, that big PERS retirement fund is poof, gone. Most of you outside Calfornia don't realize what a threat a republican governor is to the PERS fund. Sometimes it makes no sense to take the case to trial based on principles. Sometimes, "you gotta settle.".... This is not the time to take chances. Go Gray go ...away.

[kentuck]

28. Thank you for your support....

The people from CA just "don't get it"....right!

(edit spelling)

[shance]

39. Its obvious who really doesnt get it Kentuck***

Amazing these people think when we are being bullied and intimidated we should roll over on our back and plead for mercy.

Either these people are Republicans trying to divide here at DU, or they really are pretty clueless.

To give into to intimidation only INVITES MORE intimidation.

This is the time to fight back - actually its been the time for over three years.

The whole reason why we are in this mess is because we havent fought back. So now its going to be ten times tougher to get them to back off. But if we dont do it now, pretty soon its going to be too late.

[Capn Sunshine]

29. YOU DON'T IMAGINE WHAT THIS IS ABOUT-IT'S NOT DAVIS

We have been scrEAming this from the rooftops.THE MEDIA IS COMPLICIT IN THIS. Media coverage of todays poll proves my point!
Look at the poll! it also says

that likely dem voters will still vote "no" on the recall

Funny, nomention of that in the headline...not until the link to the poll.

They are , perhaps rightly so, pissed at Davis for not handling this whole thing differently.

WE MUST VOTE NO ON THE RECALL TO PREVENT THE POWER GRAB.WE MUST VOTE NO ON THE RECALL TO AVOID HIGHER BOND RATES AND THE BILLIONS EXTRA IT WILL COST US! AND NOW, WE MUST VOTE NO ON THE RECALL TO KEEP SCHWARTZENEGGER FROM GETTING IN AND RAISING OUR PROPERTY TAXES!!!!

[Hanuman]

41. You actually think taxes will be lower with Davis?

He just tripled the car tax, my good friend. I dunno about you, but for our two cars that comes out to about a $500 increase this year alone.

Now there is an extraordinarily low probablility that I will be voting for Arnold, that said, I find it utterly ridiculous to assume that Davis will do anything but raise taxes. Sorry to say this, but the ONLY people stopping the big tax hikes so far have been the repubes in the legislature. If it wasn't for them "holding out" for a better budget, the budget that just passed would have contained more taxes still, including a higher sales tax- and I guarantee you, Davis would have signed it.

The only reason a "compromise" budget got passed at all was because Davis and the legislature knew they were under close public scrutiny. At least the recall has had that effect, so far.

Let's not forget Jackie Goldberg's plot to stall the budget and inflate the "crisis" to sway public sentiment toward the passage of a new law allowing taxes to be raised by a 55% vote rather than the 66% now needed.

I doubt Ahhnoollld would support that snazzy idea.

[kentuck]

43. Arnold's new economic advisor, Warren Buffet has suggested raising...

property taxes? There is no way to resolve your deficit problem without some hellacious growth or an increase in revenues. To think otherwise is to think Republican.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

46. Davis also CUT THOSE TAXES from what they were under WILSON which

was when fiscal mismangagement ruined our state the last time.

Nice SHORT memory ya got there ;-)

[Hanuman]

55. What's your point?

Did I ever opine that we needed a more "Wilson-Like" governor?

I just don't want a STUPID governor. Is that asking too much?

Sheesh- I can't believe how willing people are to settle for crap quality just to save face.

Democrats screw up / Republicans screw up. That's life.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

59. If you voiced support for Arnold as you did above that is a tacit

endorsement of Wilson's policies. The only thing I hate worse than stupid governors is intellectually dishonest posters that claim Davis raised vehicle registration taxes when all he did was RESTORE the cuts he had made after Republicans blocked a minimal sales tax and held up the budget for any increases in taxes.

As far as settling for crap quality..didn't you say you liked Arnold's films?

[rocktivity]

54. You honestly think taxes will be lower with Arnold?

Indeed, do you honestly think Arnold gives a rat's rear end about the voters? His mission is to hand California to the GOP. He won't triple your car tax because he knows that will make you hate him as much as you do Davis. Instead, he'll just close a fire department, cut a school program, reduce a benefit, shut down the Enron investigation, allow his mentors to loot what's left of the state treasury, rig the voting machines for Bush in 2004, and laugh all the way to the bank!

NO TO THE RECALL, YES TO BUSTAMANTE!


rocknation

[Hanuman]

57. Bustamonte is OK with me, too.

It's Davis I can't stomach anymore.

[ButterflyBlood]

31. I would vote no on the recall and still fight it but

frankly I have to agree it's a lost cause. Stick a fork in Davis, he's finished.

[PopSixSquish]

33. ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY, NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry for yelling, but as a former resident of the Golden State (15yrs)all I can say is OH HELL NO!!!!!!!!

This is coup - it doesn't matter if the state constitution allows it or not. Some twit of a Republican congressman got his panties in a bunch because Davis had the unmitagetd gall to actually run and be re-elected. I know exactly what Davis is and isn't and I voted for him twice. And I'll be dammed if I let anyone tell me that I was wrong for doing so!!!!!

This bunch we've got in power now play for keeps. Florida, Tennesse, Georgia (my new state), we are slowly becoming the Soviet Union complete with our own politburo. We decide who gets to lead us in this country. Not a bunch of shadowmen who will give you a "cerebral hemorrage to the back of the head" if you get out of line.

Give 'em hell Governor. Go down fighting if you have to. THIS WILL NOT STAND!

[A-Schwarzenegger]

37. Gray Davis is a fighter

who will fight to the end. He may be pasty colored,
he may be thin as a slimjim and mild as milktoast,
but he is a fighter to the end
unlike some other Democrats.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

48. Ahh the friendly opposition weighs in

:D

[A-Schwarzenegger]

56. I thought I might as well because there is about as many Republicnas

in this thread as Democrats, neh?

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

61. Seems to be..why hassle you when we let so many others post under the

radar. :eyes:

[A-Schwarzenegger]

64. Well they let me post here because I'm blatently

stuupid. But I do not see why they let the other Repubes in this thread ... Oh. Never mind.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

66. Well the other Repubs are a bit more crafty in their analysis thereby

posting under the radar. They just lie and deliberately distort the fact pattern on both the energy crisis, the "irresponsible budgets" that were signed while the state HAD A SURPLUS and the recall itself...but nevermind the fact pattern...lies sell.

[FredScuttle]

45. It doesn't matter if he resigns....

it's a moot issue at this point...the recall would still proceed.

And, pardon my French, but why the fuck should he resign? He was re-elected 10 months ago!! If his own party won't back him against this shameful coup attempt, what does that say to the next Democratic hopeful for Governor? Be popular or we'll stab you in the back?

[TruthIsAll]

51. NO! Fighting the Repuke CA Rape (Enron, Bush, Wilson,etc). is a winner!

We must stand behind the Governor-100%. Let the truth ne told about how the Repukes caused the crisis then and are prolonging the agony now by this attempted coup.

[VOX]

52. Davis was elected by the people in a legitimate election!

It is our duty as Democrats to stand up for him. It is the Republicans who are behind the recall, who financed it, who "sold" it to the public.

Granted, Davis not progressive enough to suit me, but what's happened in California is NOT his fault. Don't like him? Then vote him out in the next *regular* election.

Everyone here wants to beat the Republicans. Okay, here's your chance! Vote NO on the recall with all the passion you have for Dean, Kucinich, Kerry, et al.

[slackmaster]

58. Your suggestion is not possible to implement

Don't like him? Then vote him out in the next *regular* election.

Davis is ineligible to run in the next regular election due to term limits.

[PATRICK]

74. If he can't game the GOP blackout

of the northeast what will work better? I'd like to see if he can make traction out of the failures of the Repukes who let such an energy situation be even possible after California's debacle.

Asking him to resign for no other reason than he is under attack is not a good thing and we have no more right to do so than the GOP thugs.