Watch Grover Norquist implode on C-Span!

[displacedtexan]

Re Reagan replacing Hamilton on currency.

Caller says Hamilton might be part African American. Removing him would slight all minorities.

Norquist's eyes started darting about! It was great!

[hlthe2b]

1. Were there mainly positive or negative calls?

Sorry I missed Norquist's implosion...

[nuxvomica]

2. I just caught the end

I wish I could have seen Norquist's reaction to that. If anyone has the chance to call in to Mr Norquist in the future, please ask him this: "If Reagan's legacy was so great, won't his place in history be assured anyway? Or does Mr. Norquist fear the judgment of history and is therefore trying to preempt it?"

[Octafish]

3. When will Grover Norquist go to jail? The guy FUNDED TERRORISTS!

Google Grover Norquist and Terror Funding and look what you get (throw in Frank Gafney for extra "laughs"):

Wahhabis in the Old Dominion
What the federal raids in Northern Virginia uncovered.

by Stephen Schwartz
04/08/2002, Volume 007, Issue 29 - Weekly Standard

FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT has kicked over quite an anthill in Northern Virginia. A U.S. Treasury task force, Operation Green Quest, has been investigating the funding of Islamic terror. Raids on March 20 struck an extraordinary array of financial, charitable, and ostensibly religious entities identified with Muslim and Arab concerns in this country, most of them headquartered in Northern Virginia.

Reaction to the raids suggests the Feds inflicted serious injury on the Wahhabi lobby, the Saudi-backed extremist network that largely controls Islam in America. Officials of the targeted groups as well as their non-Muslim apologists--notably GOP operative Grover Norquist, the chief enabler of Islamic extremists seeking access to the White House--have condemned the raids as civil rights violations.

The convoluted system of interlocking directorates, global banking transactions, and ideological activities exposed in Northern Virginia will take time to sort out. Operation Green Quest has drawn attention to a previously overlooked aspect of support for extremism in this country: The principal threat comes not from the thousands of working-class Arab immigrants in places like New Jersey and Michigan who contribute modest sums to the so-called Islamic charities, but from the Arab elite.

The Saudis stand behind all of it. The kingdom pledged $400 million last year for the support of "martyrs' families," according to the Saudi Embassy website. At $5,300 per "martyr," that works out to about 75,000 martyrs, suggesting the Saudi princes anticipate a lot more suicide bombings than Israel has yet suffered. The Saudis offered a fraudulent "peace" plan this year intended to divert attention from their involvement in the horrors of September 11.

CONTINUED...

http://www.angelfire.com/al4/terror/article16.htm

[LTR]

4. A little FYI for Norquist

There is a law, signed by a previous president, that forbids any monuments or statues honoring individual within D.C. until 25 years following the individual's death.

Guess who signed it? Yup, Ronald Reagan.

[Lindsey]

5. I must say I've been shocked at the right wingers that have

been on cspan as of late. It's distressing.

[DinahMoeHum]

7. Reagan signed it into law !!!! LMAO !!!!!

Norquist is such a pathetic putz.

:evilgrin:

[zaj]

14. Do you have a link on this?

It would be quite useful.

[LTR]

15. Heard it on CNN last night

Just did a Google search:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=reagan+monuments+twenty-five+years+washington&btnG=Google+Search

And this:

Ronald Reagan was a popular United States Republican during the 1980's. Recently, there has been discussion in Washington, D.C. about honoring him with his own marble monument.

There are already many monuments representing some of America's finest presidents in Washington, D.C. George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, Thomas Jefferson, and Franklin Delano Roosevelt are among those with large monuments standing in their honor. The U.S. House of Representatives has been discussing the possibility of building a Reagan monument to add to the collection. This, however, will not be easily accomplished. No one disagrees that the National Mall in Washington, D.C. is a great place to honor a president. The question is whether now is the appropriate time to do so.

Several years ago, Congress imposed a required "cooling off" period before any new marble monuments can be built. John Parsons, a member of the National Capitol Memorial Commission clarified this "cooling off" period by stating, "Twenty five years should pass before we determine who or what event should be commemorated."

Republicans are lobbying for a monument despite the required cooling off period. Congressman Jim Gibbons, a Republican from Nevada, stated, "Ronald Reagan was one of the greatest diplomats that we have seen in this country in a long time - a very liked individual both nationally and abroad."

(more)


and...

http://www.savethemall.org/media/will.html

Sam Donaldson: Does Washington, meaning really that great Washington Mall, need a new monument? George Will?
George Will: Sam, the Mall, extending from the Capitol to the Lincoln Memorial, is one of the most elegant public spaces in the world. But there is some worry that it is becoming cluttered with monuments in part because there is a new entitlement mentality - that everyone is entitled to have etheir acheivements or ideology ratified by a monumnent on the Mall.

The World War Two Memorial, for example. There is a proposal to build this thing. Frankly, it would be an enormous monument and it might come to dominate the center of the mall.

Furthermore, there is also a move afoot to have a monument up to Ronald Reagan. This, in spite of the fact that Ronald Reagan signed a law that said you should not indeed have monuments put up until within twenty-five years after someone has died; in spite of the fact that the National Airport is named after Ronald Reagan as is the second largest federal building.

Now Bob Dole, a war hero for the World War Two Memorial, as is Tom Hanks. powerful people behind this. Ronald Reagan is in the grips of Alzheimer's, so the great sentimental move here. But I have a suggestion: If you really want to see the monument, those who won the second World War and those who won the Cold War, stand in the middle of the Mall and look around. You'll see all the institutions of our free government that they preserved. And that, I should think, should be enough.

Straight from George Will's mouth.

[checks-n-balances]

6. Norquist & Rove are as bad as any Nazi or Soviet propagandists, as evil

as anyone in this administration if not more so. It's not just because they do their demonic deeds behind the scenes aren't well known to the public; the "liberal media" has allowed them to do their untold damage below the radar by rarely mentioning them.

Were it not for such a lame press and these insidious neocon enablers, * would not have gotten by with such obscenities as continued tax cuts for the wealthiest and our invasion of Iraq. What they have all "done to the least of these," including innocent countless Iraqi citizens. I have no idea, but if there is any justice in this universe, perhaps a special place of eternal torment awaits them in their next life.

(end of diatribe)

[elperromagico]

8. At least they're not screaming as loudly to put Reagan on the dime now.

Mrs. Reagan came out against that idea and it seemed to die off. I wonder if she'll do the same with this.

The Reagan dime business, though, revealed a lot about the thinking of neo-conservatives. They are either ignorant of history or unconcerned about it. FDR's on the dime not just because he looks good on the dime; he's there because of the March of Dimes, a charity he was instrumental in founding.

The March of Dimes sought a vaccine to prevent polio, and it just so happened that President Roosevelt had polio. It is symbolic of his heartfelt desire to ensure that no person would have to endure the horrible disability he endured. And it worked.

The FDR dime represents something far deeper. Here was a man who was stricken relatively late in life by a disease which could have destroyed his political career. Did he let it stop him? No. In fact, he went on to become the only President elected more than twice (each time by wide margins), and one of the greatest Presidents in American history. FDR is a symbol of what a person can achieve despite great hardship.

Did the neo-cons care about any of that? Of course not. They just wanted to blithely toss FDR off the dime, symbolism be damned.

They don't care about history. They only care about themselves.

[KharmaTrain]

9. It Went Further Than That

Norquist, the POS, dared to say that both JFK and FDR were rushed onto currency within a year of their deaths...and the same should be done for Raygun. WTF is that? He conviently failed to note that those other men died while in office and at the height of power and influence...not some faded old has-been B-Actor.

I say we should start working now on the memorials for Carter and Clinton. They had Raygun's in the works while the old bastard was still rotting away. Sheesh.

[elperromagico]

10. You have to realize that FDR and JFK's ideas and principles

are anathema to neo-cons.

If they so desperately want Reagan on a coin, make a new denomination for him... a 75 cent piece for him or something. Maybe a $40 bill, as he was the 40th President. Leave FDR, JFK, and Hamilton alone.

I believe FDR belongs on the dime and I think even Reagan, were he able to today, would agree with me on that.

[KharmaTrain]

12. Nancy Sure Does...

And your reasons for FDR being on the dime are spot on. The March Of Dimes is what Raygun attempting to model some of his phony minority initiatives on.

Honestly...what lasting impact has Raygun had on our lives? Did he oversee something like the establishment of a social safety net so no one would go hungry or cold at night? Assist in ridding the world of diseases so more people could live? Donate assets or resources to the third world and give those people the tools to better their lives which enriches us all?

Yep, my friend, those involve principles far beyond the reach of a Repugnican and in a completely different universe from a neo-con.

I submit that Raygun be put on the $1 coin. Let's see if that gets that clunker into circulation.

[AG78]

11. Hey

how about we just take all President's off money?

But a woman called while Grover was on. She said how she didn't like how that Iran/Contra thing was ALLLLLLLWAYS brought up when the topic of Reagan comes up. Hmmm, wonder why.

But then, good ol' Grover, says that Iran/Contra was actually a good thing.

Afterall, we sold anti-tank missles to Iran because of their little war with Iraq. We didn't want Iraq getting out of hand. Even though we supported Hussein during that same time, then went on to fight two...not one, two...wars against him a few years later.

Then, the profits from those arms sold, went to the freedom fighters in Central America. That was a good thing, because they were against Soviet "Communism". If a couple hundred thousand Central Americans have to die, is that really a loss? Honestly. All they're good for is cheap labor. Plenty of them down there.

So once again, according to Grover, Reagan was proven correct in yet another one of his foreign policies.

I hate fascism. In any of it's forms. Whether it be German, Italian, Russian, American, it doesn't matter. What an odd reality we all live in.

[KharmaTrain]

13. Imagine His Logic About Crack Cocaine & Noriega

I forgot, and I hope someone here remembers, there was a movie out several years ago (an indie flick) about the North/Noriega/Crack Cocaine/Iran Contra connections. Wonder how Grover feels about that Raygun legacy? Or the involvement of this current cabal?

It's incredible how ignorant these people are and given the credibility of being "authorities". Their lack of understanding of history, culture and plain common sense is just astounding.