Torturegate has Bush NAILED as a War Criminal, folks! Impeach! Impeach!

[ElementaryPenguin]

Start screaming it from the rooftops - it ought to at least seal the Evil War Chimp's doom as far as reselection!

:toast:

http://www.startribune.com/stories/1519/4812581.html

http://beautifulhorizons.typepad.com/weblog/2004/06/bush_to_the_us_.html

[Langis]

1. Don't you understand!! Reagan DIED screw war crimes

[ElementaryPenguin]

4. Yeah. I understand only too well.

Fortunately for me, I haven't had a TV on all week, so my eyes have been mercifully spared the Raygun canonizing pageantry spectacular! Sounds something like the Lincoln funeral, the Kennedy funeral, the Rose Parade, and the 4th of July! And he was 93, no longer knew his family, and most people I knew regarded him as dreadful president who could have/should have been impeached over IranContra (though he WAS elected - and DID somehow seem presidential - especially when compared to the Chimp).

:shrug:

[kentuck]

2. It loses some of its seriousness when you add "Gate" to the end....

I's worse than Watergate...don't minimize it.

[ElementaryPenguin]

5. Thousands times worse, I agree.

:dem:

[mzmolly]

3. Wow! Time to renew my subscription to the strib!!! YEAH!

:toast:

[Disturbed]

6. After Reagan Mania dies down...

the Congress must pursue the Torture System. It is mandatory now with the memo on the Net for anyone with Net access to read. Asscroft refused to allow Congress access to it even in private session but someone, I suspect CIA, placed it on the Net. It's out in the open now and no way to make it go away.

It is obvious is that the Pres. signed off on the systematic policy of Torture in all US sponsored prisons. No Military Commanders would have proceeded with the "abuse" and Torture of detainees without authorization from the CIC. What is needed now is the document that proves it 100%. From the legal standpoint conjecture is not prosecutable, proof must exist.

[ElementaryPenguin]

9. Great post. Once that doc is produced - Bush is TOTALLY fucked!

All some Kerry operative has to do is show the abuse images side by side with Bushler's signed directive. Game-set-and match! The Bush authorization MUST exist - and I won't be surprised to see it appear on the internet.

[calimary]

20. Perhaps that's why ashcroft is so reluctant to release the whole thing.

The document now on the internet is apparently NOT the whole thing. Wonder what they're leaving out, 'eh? If there's nothing to be ashamed of, then there shouldn't be anything to hide, right, ashcroft?

Something said here on DU awhile ago that certainly still fits. To a T:

"...I've paid for this, whether I wanted it to happen or not. Let me see what I got for my money. Because I want some people to pay for doing this in my name."- DUer gratuitous, 5/21/04

That stuff went on with our tax dollars paying for the whole thing, and now they would presume to withhold it from us? It belongs to us. WE PAID FOR IT. I realize none of us, and certainly not much of the rest of America, was okay with the idea or was consulted about it beforehand, even though our money was taken to bankroll it, among other things. Even so, it belongs to US because WE ALL PAID FOR IT. So they should damned well cough it up. Besides, we pay for THEM, too, and THEY WORK FOR US. EVEN ashcroft WORKS FOR US. HE IS OUR EMPLOYEE. Therefore, he should heed his employers' directives. OUT WITH IT ALL, you narrow-minded, sanctimonious, evil, scheming, sneaky-ass, black-hearted schmuck!

[Spazito]

21. I suspect that the attachments that were not part of the leaked...

memo but are referred to are draft Executive Orders for bush to sign. I can only hope they are leaked as well otherwise I suspect it will be a fight all the way to the USSC to get the documents.

[jmowreader]

19. Do you have a link to this memo?

I must read this.

[calimary]

27. There's another thread here with it:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1758151

[ElementaryPenguin]

7. Strib kicked serious butt with that article, didn't they?

Have seen a lot of great stuff there.

[gristy]

8. Reagan is dead.

All is forgiven.








Until Monday, at least! :evilgrin:

[ElementaryPenguin]

10. It goes without saying that this must start NEXT week!

The Gipper only bought them an extra week!

:evilgrin:

[Norquist Nemesis]

11. Wow! Check out the author's bio...

Her name wasn't familiar to me so I googled it. She's definitely well qualified to give the opinion...

http://www.law.virginia.edu/lawweb/faculty.nsf/FHPbI/4912

[ElementaryPenguin]

13. Good find!

Thanks.

:hi:

[KoKo]

25. She's Barbara Ehrenreich's Sister! Here's a snip of an article they wrote

together for "The Progressive" after 9/11:


A Twisted Sense of Duty and Love
by Barbara Ehrenreich and Rosa Ehrenreich Brooks
The Progressive magazine, November 2001

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Sept_11_2001/Twisted_Duty.html

The other day, a l friend told us that what shook her up the most after September 11 was the knowledge that many of the terrorists had lived peaceably among Americans for several years before their attacks, sending their children to our public schools, shopping at the supermarket, ordering pizza, waving a friendly good morning to their neighbors. "What chills me," she said, "is the thought that they hate us so much that not even all those daily interactions with Americans could humanize us for them." That's become the prevailing explanation of the terrorist attacks on September 11: We are up against an almost incomprehensible form of "hate" or "evil."
But although "hate" and "evil" are powerfully evocative words, they don't really tell us much. Indeed, we often haul them out precisely as a way to avoid grappling with more nuanced and troubling explanations for the horrific. On September 11, nineteen men knowingly went to their deaths in order to kill Americans, stymieing experts in terrorist profiling. These men were not desperate or bereft of hope: They had families, foreign language skills, opportunities. They were not unsophisticated, ignorant, or backward, "brainwashed" by simplistic promises of sloe-eyed virgins in the paradise to come; they were highly educated, cosmopolitan, people who lived easily among foreigners, both in the U.S. and in Germany. Was cruelty all they knew? No: Those who met them say they seemed like ordinary people, studying, laughing, picking their children up at school.

[Disturbed]

12. DUers part of Reagan Mania

Instead of focusing on what is important many DUers have been part of the sickening focus on a dead person. Shite!!! I hope this crap is over next week and people can get back to sanity.

The HUGE news this week is the Torture Memo and how that leads right to the Pres. It is mandatory that Congress keep after this. It was almost fading until the memo appeared. The Govt. and Congress would have love for this issue to fade into the background because it can lead to criminal indictements of the Pres. and perhaps a Constitutional Crisis. I don't think they can shove this down the memory hole. Maybe another document will surface that will prove that the Pres. approved of Detainee Torture.

[ElementaryPenguin]

14. I'm betting that "other" document is going to surface real soon

and then Bush will be fighting for his political life - and perhaps someday - for his freedom.

[earthside]

15. Dynamite Story

Here is the dynamite story I am headlining on my web site: www.Earthside.com:


John Walker Lindh case tainted by torture and corruption at the highest levels of the Bush government.
Prison Interrogators' Gloves Came Off Before Abu Ghraib
After American Taliban recruit John Walker Lindh was captured in Afghanistan, the office of Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld instructed military intelligence officers to "take the gloves off" in interrogating him. The instructions from Rumsfeld's legal counsel in late 2001, contained in previously undisclosed government documents, are the earliest known evidence that the Bush administration was willing to test the limits of how far it could go legally to extract information from suspected terrorists.
Los Angeles Times - June 9, 2004
http://www.latimes.com/la-fg-prison9jun09,1,1948499.story

Just imagine if the infamous "Johnny Taliban" ends up getting released because of a tortured, coerced confession! And this proves that from the HIGHEST levels of the Bush regime, the approval for torture started right from the beginning of the 9/11 retribution.

Yes, if there ever is an end to the televison coverge of the never-ending-funeral ... Bush is going down. And, don't forget, there are the Valarie Plame indictments still to come ... :)

[Spazito]

16. Excellent article!

Thanks for the link!

[Just Me]

17. Good. It's time for the professional voices to come out of their closets.

A conspiracy to commit war crimes (among the other crimes against our constitution and laws of this land), in addition to the crime of conspiring to cover them all up MUST take front and center.

If we allow the abuses of power of which this administration is guilty to go without consequences,...we are screwed, the constitution is screw, the nation is screwed and the experiment of democracy is over.

It still boggles my freakin' mind that we have allowed it to get to this point. I just shudder at the reality of it all. I really do.

[seemslikeadream]

18. FOR THE RECORD

[Disturbed]

22. Contempt

Asscroft was unhinged. If no member of this Commitee files Contempt charges on him, especially Biden, it will be a disgrace on them! That the memo turned up on the Net is almost laughable when witnessing Asscroft denying access to it, even in a private session. Not holdening my breat but am thinking that more memos will surface. I suspect members of the CIA are leaking these for payback of BushCo outing two CIA agents and scapegoating the CIA for the bogus intell pre-invasion of Iraq. It was the OSP that put together the bogus crap for the bootlicker Powell to present. Tenet sat behind Powell to lend cred to this crap, so he was a BushCo lackey, as well. The rank and file of the CIA must still be seething.

[northofdenali]

23. The Star-Trib is now on my "daily media" list.

What a terrific article. I particularly appreciated the final paragraph.

[ItsMyParty]

24. Obviously with a republican Congress that will never happen

It is up to the Democrats to push it into the people's minds. Unfortunately, just like this war, there are about half the people who are not upset about this, nor care, and think it's just fine and there should be more of it. That just isn't the background to launch impreachment. If the Dems now push for such a thing, it could backfire. Kerry is gaining ground because he is positive (I truly thought that would never work, but it is). We need to keep exposing this but stay away from going nutso on "let's impeach" because it is a 100% losing proposition since this repuke Congress never will. There are bigger fish to fry.

[hellbound-liberal]

26. Here's a link to the document from the Center for Constitutional Rights

http://www.ccr-ny.org/v2/reports/report.asp?ObjID=0Shrzgi8q7&Content=385

It does seem like a very damning document!