Atrios points me to a Right Wing idiot

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Peter Bronson of the The Cincinnati Enquirer.... He said this in his piece: • Iran-Contra was no Watergate or Lewinsky. Turns out the "scandal" was that a few of the president's men ignored Democrat appeasers in the Senate to prevent another Cuba in Central America. The TV showdown with Ollie North made the Democrats look like modern Joe McCarthys, waving around a secret list of known anti-communists.

So I emailed him this:

Do you know how many Reagan administration officials were convicted -- not just indicted, but convicted -- for conduct while they were in office? Thirty. Do you know how many Clinton Administration officials were? One. The Chief of Staff of the Secretary of Agriculture, in a case that involved football tickets. One person. After eight years and seven independent counsels, dozens of congressional committees, scores of right-wing lawsuits, tens of thousands of investigative journalist pieces -- one person. And that, the Chief of Staff of the Secretary of Agriculture.

Do you even care? Iran/Contra was not Lewinsky? Are you serious...Not one indictment came from er...Lewinsky..not one! 14 indictments and convictions came from Iran/Contra.

Sir, you're an idiot!

and he emailed me back with this:
----- Original Message -----
From: Bronson, Peter
To: mflanders
Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 1:08 PM
Subject: RE: 30 convicted under Reagan

Thanks for the note. But maybe you forgot that Clinton was impeached. Even an idiot like me can remember that.

Best wishes,

Peter Bronson

and I emailed him with this:
But was he convicted? Nope... So how's it feel to know that under the wonderful Ronald Reagan there were so many crooks? 30.... let me say it again ..30!

Anyway... if you want to read his foolish piece it here:
http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2004/06/08/loc_bronson08.html

His email address is on the bottom....

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1. Well, I guess Iran-Contra was no Lewinsky...

..because the whole Lewisnky nonsense was between Bill/Monica/Hillary...Iran-Contra was deals with terrorists, and American lives put in danger...so yeah...Iran-Contra is no Lewisnky

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2. True, but at least the Democrats were classy enough...

...not to mercilessly attack the president from the time of inauguration. The GOP was intent on overthrowing the fucking government!!!

Monica Lewinsky was not a terrorist nor was she an enemy of the US. Can the same be said about Hussein, Khomeini, etc.?

Ask Mr. Asshat if he ever heard of Richard Sciafe, or read "The Hunting of the President".

Glad you reminded him of all the Reagan cronies that were convicted. Remind him of the ones pardoned by him and his successor (GHWB).

If any McCarthyism existed, it occured before and during the Clinton era.

Reagan just got away with it, because the Dems were much more responsible in the way they conducted government business.

This fool just lives by the saying "It's not illegal 'till you get caught."

I'd love to hear his take on Watergate. After all, Nixon was never impeached, right?

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3. He responded to my e-mail as well.

But he was nicer to me.

I debunked a few of his points, told him that comparing the "Liberal Elite" to "chimpanzees with machines guns" was pure idiocy. I also told him that although I never voted for RR, I liked him well enough that that he (Bronson) didn't need to resort to fiction in order to say nice things about RR.

Bronson replied with the old "guess we'll agree to disagree" thing.

But he replied about 5 minutes after I sent it. Guess he doesn't really work much.

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4. At least he recognizes himself for an idiot. Excellent reality points.

Intelligently written as well!

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5. My letter

Maybe Limbaugh or O'Reilly will read this one on the air! lol.


I really don't like speaking ill of the dead, but your piece is a classic example of the brainwashing of America that began under Nixon, went into warp speed under Reagan and fully blossomed into Abu Ghreib, possibly the most sordid and illegal scandal in our nation's history. It can't go unanswered.

I always find it hysterical when people give Reagan credit for the 90's economy. You betcha', Reagan's policies just leaped over the 1987 stock market crash, 7.5% unemployment, decreasing investment rates, decreasing wages; and landed smack in the middle of the 90's. Suuurre. How do you people tell this one with a straight face?

And Reagan's military strategy brought down the Soviet Union, another knee-slapper. The USSR's own economy brought down the USSR. An economy that was in deep trouble before 1980, before Reagan ever took office. Perestroika was simply a natural response to the communist system. In fact, SALT and the grain embargo did more to create the environment in the USSR for change than anything Reagan did. His SDI plan got in the way of ending communism, it didn't help. Just like Bush's obsession with the missile defense fantasy (the damn thing STILL doesn't work) took his eye off the real threat of terrorists, like all Democrats were saying in 2001. The threat to the U.S. wasn't from missiles, it was from terrorists setting off a WMD in a U.S. city. But no... Republicans just wouldn't listen.

Which brings us to Iran/Contra and the real legacy of Ronald Reagan. Terrorism. Thank you SO MUCH Mr. Reagan. Illegal proxy wars all over the globe that put tons of weapons into the hands of all sorts of thugs and gangs. You look at any troubled spot on the globe today, and you'll find a past proxy war perpetuated by Ronald Reagan. Way to go! That's some kind of visionary we've got there. And these same criminals that were convicted under Reagan are back in charge of our government today. And we wonder why we've got U.S. sanctioned torture at Abu Ghreib.

Ronald Reagan may have made people feel good about themselves. But he did it based on delusions and lies, the same way George Bush does it today. You get to keep more of your money, a dollar in your right hand from an income tax cut, but don't look when we take away three from a FICA increase. The economy is improving, but don't look at the military deficit spending that's creating the only jobs; that, by the way, pay less because he busted the unions. We're defeating communism around the globe, but don't look at the terrorists who popped up in their place. We're restoring honor and integrity to the White House, but don't look at the drug running and arms dealing and money laundering and banking fraud and the 30 criminals who've been convicted under his watch.

Maybe he was just in over his head, like George Bush. Maybe he just trusted the wrong people, Poppy Bush's people. I don't know. But Ronald Reagan will go down in history, long term history, as the beginning of the end of America. Unless you Republicans take off your blinders and see this tiny group of people as the liars and thieves they are, and wrest control of your party away from them.