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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 07:04 PM
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The greatest president of the 20th Century?
Reagan's saying "tear down this wall" caused Gorby to tear down the wall?

How long before the pundits tell the truth?
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 07:06 PM
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1. Yep, David STOCKMAN Just Said That to Chucky ZAHN
Incredible. And STOCKMAN was one of the first to break out from the RAYGUN administration, with disagreement. Whaaaaa?
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LostInAnomie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 07:08 PM
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2. Him saying "tear down this wall" had as much to do with the fall of...
... communism, as if I would have told Reagan to die of complications from his Alzheimer's a week ago.

He got there at the tail end of it and took credit for something that was inevitably going to happen.
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dand Donating Member (636 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 07:13 PM
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3. Greatest President?
In a pigs a**, we will be paying for this mans blunders forever. He was a bad actor and a lousy president.
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lancdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 07:14 PM
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4. He wasn't better than FDR or Truman or Teddy Roosevelt
Edited on Sat Jun-05-04 07:17 PM by lancdem
or perhaps even Eisenhower.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 07:15 PM
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5. truth!
agreed.
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 07:17 PM
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6. or JFK or Bill Clinton or LBJ
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TheFarseer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 07:17 PM
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7. It seems to me
Edited on Sat Jun-05-04 07:20 PM by TheFarseer
and I hope people don't jump all over me for this - but in the short term, after all the bad things that happened in the 70's, Reagan was the strong unifying leader that America needed. In the long term, alot of his policies are slowly killing our country (deficits, our tax structure, business has too much power, farm crisis). So I will say some good things about him, but he also did alot of damage that wasn't apparent at the time. Bush is a pale imitation of Raygun. He can't even manage to unite us against terrorists and the damage he's doing is apparent to all fair minded people.

And to address the original topic, Gorbachev deserves alot more credit for the Berlin Wall that Reagan does, if he deserves any at all.

And to address what everyone else seems to think the real topic is - pick a Roosevelt, you can't go wrong with either of them.
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 07:21 PM
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8. I guess I tend to agree with you
There is good and bad in us all.
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 07:30 PM
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10. Well, I know some saw him as a "unifying leader" but I never did
I think he made people feel good, based on lies. It was literally an act.
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notbush Donating Member (616 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 07:34 PM
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12. I'd leave LBJ
out of the picture completely, something about 50,000 dead in Vietnam.
JMO
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 07:42 PM
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14. You Mean Like Lemmings?
Lemmings got a strong unifying leader that brings them to throw themselves off cliffs every few years. Thanks, but no thanks, I don't need that kind of a leader.
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lastknowngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 07:28 PM
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9. The truth is that the Clenis killed RayRay just you wait that will
be on Rash Limpballs before you can say bullshi*
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 07:32 PM
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11. He comes in second worst after Hoover. nt
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 07:41 PM
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13. Laura Diaz (CBS, L.A.) "Possibly the greatest orator ever"
I come not to praise Caesar; I come to blather on like a slobbering ninny.

Sure, let's compare him to people before the advent of sound recording.
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louis c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 07:44 PM
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15. Reagan and PATCO
Edited on Sat Jun-05-04 07:46 PM by louis c
Reagan is the person who is most responsible for the decline of Organized Labor. Remember, it was Labor that stood against both Democrats and Republicans during the NAFTA and WTO debates . It was Labor who warned everyone in Congress that these new, global trade agreements would be the nexus for the long term decline in our economy. If Reagan didn't weaken Unions so much in the 80's, we may have prevailed. We only lost on some of these issues by a hand-full of votes in the House. He set out to destroy Unions, and the asshole in the White House is determined to finish us off.
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