How sad that we feel the need to cheer the death of a President.

[DarkPhenyx]

How unfortunate that we have decided to, yet again, be no better than thsoe we stand against. We couldn't even let it go one day w/o high fiving eachother and laughing about it all. How truely, horribly, sad.

I'm embarassed for us all.

[Snoggera]

1. Who the hell is cheering death?

I don't see anyone cheering death.

I do see people dicussing what a shitbag person he was, but that is different.

Death? A bad thing

Shitbag? Hard to dispute.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

5. I see people acting as fucked up as the freepers they hate

What's to hate when you are they in word thought and deed?

[Snoggera]

16. Comparison is not reasonable

The same in word?

Most, myself especially, discussed disgust at the man's actions.

Thought? Who can argue with the unknown?

Deed? Don't compare reactions discussing a president's deeds with the unintelligible rantings of uneducated, foolish freepers. That's too easy.

If you want to mourn the man's death, then go ahead, but understand, there is a difference between mourning death as a generic term and mourning an individual's death.

This individual was a fuck-up and a fuck-upper of others.

What's the same?
Why not look at the thought process and ask what is different?

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

21. Who the fuck said I was mourning his death?

If you are going to look at thought processes at least try not to ADD anything that isn't there...to be sure, I do NOT mourn his death..it is not a loss to me...I did not value the man.

What it boils down to for me is ...HATEFULNESS...and it's a condition that is POISONOUS..and I'm really pretty sick of tolerating it no matter the direction from which it is lobbed.

[Snoggera]

43. who the fuck deserved a reply like that?

[Cooley Hurd]

53. I am shocked and saddened by the complete lack of humanity...

...exhibited by some on this board tonight.

I hated Ronald Reagan when he was President - alot. I feel little sadness for him personally now that he has passed. However, to toast his demise, to fucking CHEER his passing is as sick as it was for the Repugs to cheer the passing of Wellstone. Or, as sick as it was to see Rev. Fred Phelps protesting and cheering at Matthew Sheppard's funeral.

I'm getting off DU for the night lest I explode and get myself banned - thank you, Teena, for interjecting sanity and good sense (as you always have).

As for all of you behaving badly - it must truly suck to be you... Take a look in the mirror:

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

2. I don't get embarassed for anyone but me

I only share with you the fact that as a culture, this is exactly what is causing our demise...trading off a moment when we could demonstrate our own humaneness for an opportunity to be automatically impulsively cruel.

This is what used to cause all the grief between you and I...you called it being PC...I called it carefully considering one's thoughts, actions and deeds.

[Gman]

3. I can say one very good thing about Reagan

at least he won his elections.

[AntiCoup2K4]

169. And he even admitted some of his mistakes.

Actually took the blame for the marines getting killed in Beiruit, and apologized for Iran Contra (sort of) by still denying any knowledge of it himself, but admitting "the facts say otherwise".

I'm hardly his biggest fan, but if it were possible, I'd take him over Junior any time. Or his daddy.

[salin]

4. Please use qualifiers before you refer to "all" as the collective we.

Many are trying to keep a modicum of decorum and respect for those who feel loss.

[Malva Zebrina]

6. I am so sorry that you are embarrassed by us all

It must be a terrible burden.

[DarkPhenyx]

12. Not by us.

For us. I am becasue too many of us don't have enough dignity or self respect to be properly embarassed of themselves. Since they are making all of us look bad.....

[Malva Zebrina]

17. To who?

Is there someone that you are concerned about that has an influence upon your being and your thoughts and actions?

[DarkPhenyx]

19. Never mind.

I have a feeling it wouldn't be worth the effort. Nothing personal.

[Malva Zebrina]

22. OK--but then, you certainly should be a little more sensitive to the

placing, by your own judgements, of others below you who seem to be on some self appointed pedastal of self righteousness.

If you cannot defend that position, then I would suggest you simply not express it, since it does harm to others and does indeed provoke a rebuttal.

[DarkPhenyx]

23. It is far too easy to defend.

Jsut like defending your position against the war is easy. Unfortunately, just like defending that position to a freeper, it would be a waste of breath. There is no sense when the other person really isn't listening.

[Malva Zebrina]

26. I am not a freeper--LOL

and I am rebutting your self righteous position and defending those who are a little more realistic about the death of a 93 year old man,a former Repbulican President, who has actually been absent and out of reality for the past ten years. That he has been does not allow him or his policies to be adored. He simply succumbed to a disease at the old age of eighty three. LOL

That he did, does not make one single thing about his policies worthy of being defended. They remain the same and as such, they and he deserve to be ridiculed.

[DarkPhenyx]

30. I didn't say you were.

That would be against the rules.

Please point out where I said his policies should now be defended simply because he is dead. Thank you. Fortunately you will fail trying, so I have no fear.

All I have said is that we should act better, and with more decorum, than our opponents. It's truly sad that we can't. Makes one wonder if there really is any difference between the two sides.

[Malva Zebrina]

34. well, as I originally stated that must be a very difficult burden for you

LOL

[Name removed]

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[Malva Zebrina]

38. actually, when you resort to ad hominem, I cease to pay attention

it is in indication that I have won the debate.

[DarkPhenyx]

39. You were debating?

Oh, I'm sorry. What was your point? It looked more like you were trying to be insulting. Please, go on. I'll try and catch your point this time.

[drdigi420]

148. There's a big difference, we hate Reagan, and they are idiots

Simple, to the point, no whining necessary

[playahata1]

46. Embarassment is in the eye of the beholder.

You may see people's expressions as being embarrassing. I do not see such expressions as being embarrassing. I sure as heck am not embarrassed for me -- and I despise this man, and you cannot separate this man from his policies and his actions.

I do not care what the right wing or the center thinks. They neither speak for me, nor I for them. They do not support me financially or otherwise, so I am not biting the hand that feeds me. I refuse to be dishonest with myself and pretend that this man was a saint, and as such I should genuflect before him and his memory.

[DarkPhenyx]

60. You aren't embarassed?

Too bad. You should be.

[jpgray]

7. I've seen more people deploring this behavior than displaying it

Your sentiments would have fit nicely on DancingBear's thread, for example.

[minkyboodle]

33. bingo

funny there are no threads congratulating the majority of the posters who have not celebrated his death

[Malva Zebrina]

37. there are always these types of goody two shoes who actually have

nothing of interest of import to say, but who delight in putting down others and , conversly, putting themselves on a higher level.

It happens so often on DU that I have noticed over time, that these types never have a position to offer to us or any facts as to the focus of the thread, but only post to express how awful other poster are. It happens a lot and I suspect those who do that are very young people who do not have a grasp yet upon the nuances or the facts of what the focus of the thread is.

Goody two shoes can be annoying to others.

[MarkTwain]

44. You're absolutely right...

... and this place is littered with them today; more so than the hyper-moralizing, phony hand-wringing we normally see here at such times.

Odd, I must say, considering that the SOB is hopefully shaking hands with Satan right now for the harm, the pain, the evil, and yes the deaths which he caused.

Not to mention that he is the intellectual (if that's not too much of a stretch in and of itself) and political grandfather of the tens of thousands of wingnut, fundie bastards which infect us today and gave them the credence and credibility which has allowed them to previal.

[DarkPhenyx]

77. Pathetic.

Honestly worse than the Freepers. Remember people...we are supposed to be better than they are. Prehaps we should start acting like it.

For the record she is absolutely wrong. She dosen't even understand what the subject is yet.

[DarkPhenyx]

75. Ahhhhhhhhh, I'm a goody two shoes now am I?

Most interesting.

You don't even understand my objection do you?

[Hubert Flottz]

8. I'm sad that the American people were stupid enough to elect

and re-elect a pig like Reagan! Even sadder that the same people are still stupid enough to put their politics ahead of what is best for America! These GOPers are a calamity!

[Sticky]

9. I just got home from work

and saw the news. I burst into tears. Can we separate the man from the politics and allow his family to grieve?

My condolences to his wife and children - He was one thing to us and something entirely different to them.

[kiahzero]

15. Of course not

While we're at it, let's flog Kerry for giving a good condolence speech.

Pure! Pure! We must be pure!

:puke:

[salin]

20. agreed... and heck, I feel for Nancy Reagan

couldn't stand her as first lady. But she has held up with grace and dignity through her husband's illness. From what I have read she remained very active in his care rather than farming the tasks completely off to hired help. She has my respect for that. She also stood up to the obnoxious fawning towards bushjr to be publically critical of his pandering to the rel. right stand on stem cell research, and rejected calls for putting Reagan on the dime. These things have made her seem more human to me. So at this moment in time, I can spare a bit of human dignity to extend to her and her family (who will certainly be overrun by the press and by scads of top RNC folks who have probably all but ignored them for the past couple of years).

[LibertyorDeath]

45. You serious "burst into tears"

You do realize we're talking about this individual

http://liberalslikechrist.org/a-JesusNoRepublican/reagan.html

Ronald Reagan's Criminal Administration:

Ronald Reagan's Cabinet

"By the end of his term, 138 Reagan administration officials had been convicted, had been indicted, or had been the subject of official investigations for official misconduct and/or criminal violations. In terms of number of officials involved, the record of his administration was the worst ever."

So you "burst into tears" over this guys passing

should we change the name of this website maybe

to liberalcompassion.com & we can all hold hands & pass out flowers when despicable conservatives die.

[Sticky]

49. Yes, I'm serious.....

Even I was shocked by my reaction.

Feelings aren't right or wrong, they just are.

[crossroads]

126. Thanks for the site and the memories...

I had almost laid my old hurts to rest. I wish to share this legacy with some people who wouldn't accept it if I didn't have this ammo...
:kick:

[leftofthedial]

10. at least he was elected

or so the story goes.

[mitchum]

11. I would have cheered his death 25 years ago...

knowing that he would not assume the presidency.
He was a stupid and destructive man whose actions will live on long after the worms are full.
I am not cheering today, but death does not ennoble him.

[LeahMira]

13. Sorry that...

... he lost his faculties before he realized the harm he had done and had the chance to apologize publicly.

[billbuckhead]

14. Reagan wasn't a "President" Reagan was a tool for corporatism(facism)

The Iran-Contra thing was traitorous. American hostages being held longer so the RepuKKKes could win the election then compounded by our terrorism against Central America.

[DarkPhenyx]

18. He was a President.

However your post perfectly highlights what is going wrong with the Democratic party and teh Liberal cause. Thank you.

[wasp in a wig]

83. Right..

Stating the truth is such a horrible thing.

Thank you for pointing this out.

[lastknowngood]

24. Why don't all you people who are so much better than the rest of

us establish a RayGun love fest chat room so you can all feel superior to those of us who are not prepared to pretend this asshole was anything but a curse to nation. Get holy and enjoy it but remember when you show compassion for this bastard it will never be returned. Listen to the traders on the Enron tapes and realize who and what you are up against. There is nothing human or humane about these reichwing bastards they are incarnate evil.

[DarkPhenyx]

27. Because we are also not calling for a Ronnie love fest.

It would jsut be ncie if we rememberd that we are supposed to be better than they are, and then act like it. If we can't, then we aren't.

[LiberalVoice]

25. Was Reagan not a horrible human being?

Because from what I see he was a disgusting excuse for the "leader" of our country.

We're people not supposed to cheer when they heard Hitler died. Now certainly hHitler was a menace on a much larger scale. But, a piece of crap is a piece of crap.

[tabasco]

28. How sad that Reagan wanted to feed children ketchup

In 1981, Reagan wanted to cut the funding for school lunches. His budget director drafted a plan in which ketchup and relish would be considered vegetables for our Nation's children. The wealthiest nation in the world but not enough money to feed our children a decent lunch. Of course, public outcry made the Reagan administration change the plan. Reagan was nothing but a stuffed shirt for a corporate cabal as Bush is today. The Enron boys showed us exactly how much these people care about America. They can all burn in hell for all I care.

[western mass]

29. How happy that we can recognize evil and call it what it is.

[DarkPhenyx]

31. How sad we have to be silly spoiled children when we do it. n/t

[western mass]

40. Dear me...I'll be sure to but a flower on Pol Pot's grave when

I visit next.

So childish to denounce the misery he brought to millions, and death to tens of thousands. Your moral compass puts me to shame, truly.

[DarkPhenyx]

42. It should.

Unfortunately you seem to be missing the point, either by accident or intentionally. Oh well.

[playahata1]

51. I resent being called a silly and spoiled child

just because I refuse to genuflect before "St. Ronnie."

Having been President of the United States does not automatically endow that person with any particular qualities of grace, kindness, and compassion. Reagan certainly never displayed any such qualities.

[DarkPhenyx]

62. NO...

...not "genuflecting" wouldn't make you a silly and spoiled child. However if you were to choose to chear and celebrate? That would make you a silly and spoiled child. It would be better to simply be silent and let this pass w/o any comment at all.

[Lars39]

32. Yes. So sad that we didn't have a better president than that.

Leaders that F@ck so many peoples' lives deserve the respect that they have earned.

[DarkPhenyx]

74. Lots of folks say the same thing about Clinton.

It'll be intersting to see how tolerant you are of the derision when another of our people dies.

[Lars39]

140. I'm not totally enamored of Clinton. I know they'll have a field day.

There's always a range of emotion when someone of international stature dies. To expect everyone to line up and have the same emotions and reactions isn't rational. Some posters have gone over the top, but that happens every day here anyway. :shrug:

[DarkPhenyx]

141. I'd never expect everyone to have the same emotional reaction.

The only thing I'd advocate is at least having enough self-respect, if not respect for the departed, to wait a couple of days before tearing into the corpse.

[Lars39]

143. I don't understand why all discussion/criticism should halt for a few days

It's not like we're going to the funeral home for visitation of a neighbor. :shrug:

[DarkPhenyx]

150. If for no other reason than...

...it would allow the extreme emotions to cool a bit, and we might get rational discourse instead of hate filled crap.

I would also say we should do so because it is the correct thing to do.

[Lars39]

156. Correct thing to do?

Nah. He's getting the respect he earned.

[DarkPhenyx]

158. It has nothing to do with respect.

It has everything to do with yourself being a decent human being.

[Lars39]

163. This thread is just a maneuver to divide Dems, using the means at hand.

[DarkPhenyx]

164. No, but thanks for playing.

Care to try for door number two?

[Zynx]

35. I don't cheer. I simply have reasons for not mourning.

He was an awful man for doing what he did to Central America and supporting Saddam Hussein.

[saracat]

41. I am embarrassed that you would

be embarrassed for those that honestly speak the truth to power and don't grieve Reagan.I am sorry for whatever pain this may cause his family.But this must be looked at as a release for Reagan. That being said, he was one of the least competent presidents in history and should not be lionized. You are perhaps thinking that some posters are bad mannered in either rejoicing at his death or pointing out his deficiencies. That is very old school. Ronnie Reagan was not a personal friend, nor was he a respected politician ,to many of us .We don't have an obligation to be "nice" on DU. And being a dead president doesn't automatically canonize you.

[DarkPhenyx]

61. it isn't that we aren't grieving that makes me sick with some here.

It's their gloating and celebrating. I'm not mourning his passing. But I have more class and decency than to celebrate it.

[mike1963]

47. So becoming dead turns an asshole into a saint? Is that how it works?

:eyes:

[Liberal Veteran]

48. No, it doesn't. But what does respectful silence cost you?

What is to be gained from celebrating the death of a political opponent other than becoming exactly the same kind of thing we claim to despise?

[playahata1]

52. SILENCE = CONSENT

If I read you correctly, are you saying we should just shut up and give our consent to the dissemination of myths and out-and-out LIES about this man and what he has done to this society? If so, I REFUSE to remain silent, thank you.

[Liberal Veteran]

57. No it isn't and by chosing gloating over civility....

...you simply contribute to dragging the country further down the spiral.

Disagree with the man's policies all you like. Just show a little humanity and decorum.

[mike1963]

54. What is to be gained? I would suggest simply one less asshole

with power. Other than that piddling detail, not very much, really.
:eyes:

[DarkPhenyx]

73. He didn't have any power anymore though.

He hasn't had for years really.

[ScreamingMeemie]

56. I keep silent out of respect for a family.

The man died, and he was a human being. No matter how much I disagreed with his policy.

[Algorem]

50. well,he was a prick on wheels.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

55. Will you be equally embarassed when we bid Pinochet a fond farewell?

After all, he was a president. He had people murdered. He was beloved by a goodly portion of his public. He used many of the same methods as Reagan to suppress the poor.

I'm not jumping for joy that Reagan's dead. Nor am I saddened in the least.

"The opposite of love is indifference. So, is indifference the opposite of hate."

I'm indifferent to his death.

[DarkPhenyx]

59. Yes, I will.

It will be just as childish if we behave this way. More so since most likely none of us have any direct experience with Pinochet. Come to think of it, there are probably a few on here who have no direct experience with Reagan either.

[camero]

58. I'm ambivalent

I don't really cheer or mourn the deaths of people that I only see on TV. I don't really know them.

I would mourn people on DU because some I have had the privilege to speak to.

Reagan's death is just another one to me.

[Delano]

63. I've seen 90 threads lamenting the hatred for Reagan for every one...

...celebrating his death.

Keep in mind that this was a very affable man with one of the meanest presidencies ever (until Dumbya). He did irreparable damage to our government, organized labor, the economy, and on and on.

I have no personal animosity towards the man, but I sure wish we could lay the entire Reagan-Bush legacy in its grave where it belongs.

[DarkPhenyx]

71. So what?

Everything you say may be true. How does it excuse our acting like Freepers?

[Minstrel Boy]

76. "How does it excuse our acting like Freepers?"

You're acting like a freeper when you tell us we should act like you.

[DarkPhenyx]

82. How so?

I am so curious to hear your lack of logic on that one.

[ContinentalOp]

64. It IS sad.

"How sad that we feel the need to cheer the death of a President."

It is sad that we feel the need to cheer his death because we've never been given the release of seeing these criminals brought to justice and put behind bars where they belong.

[DarkPhenyx]

70. That is a completely different subject.

While I may agree with you it still dosen't excuse the poor judgement being exercised by those deciding to cheer this event.

[BeFree]

65. Hey Phenyx, here's how ya get even

Walk away. That's right, ya don't like us talking about the worst president ever? Quit DU. That'll show us.

Reagan is dead. The RR era is over. Time we take back America.

[DarkPhenyx]

67. Except you are making us look like idiots.

If you were jsut being stupid in private it would be ewasy to walk away. However you insist on acting like an ass in public, adn doing so in full view of the opposition. That you can't simply walk away from. The enemy outside of your group is bad enough. The ones inside are not to be simply ignored.

[charlie]

78. Enemies?

Inside? You're taking this way too personally.

[DarkPhenyx]

80. Nothing personal about it.

However what would you call someone indise youir own group who is doing things that damage the group, make it look idiotic, and give "waepons" to your opponents? They sure as hell aren't good allies.

[charlie]

85. On any other day

I'd call them DLCers :)

But not enemies. If you're gonna go to the mattresses over this, then I still say you're taking this too personally.

[DarkPhenyx]

90. I'm not the only one disgusted by this.

I'm simply more vocal about it. I also have no issue with telling peopel they are being stupid and childish. Dosen't make me very popular most of the time. Not something I'm worried about.

[Forkboy]

88. No,some do a fine job of making themselves look like idiots

[DarkPhenyx]

98. Yes.

And I do try and point it out to them when they do.

Are you in line to be told?

[Forkboy]

112. oh,tell me tell me

:freak:

[DarkPhenyx]

116. Provide me with a reference point.

We'll go from there.

[Forkboy]

66. bummer for you

I'm more embarrassed by the toadies that think he's worth a seconds respect.But I wont post my own thread to make my ego feel better like some :eyes:

[DarkPhenyx]

68. Too bad.

Particualrly since I didn't say respect him. I think I was more saying don't act like a complete jackass.

[Forkboy]

93. a complete jackass

would be one who argues that Gitmo is a good thing.

Remember?

[DarkPhenyx]

96. *shrug*

Whoever that was. It is, however, off the subject.

[Forkboy]

99. you and me had the debate Dark

You thought trials for the people there were not needed or they wouldn't be there.

It may be off topic,but hey,it seems certain people are taking certain positions today.Sometimes they form a pattern :shrug:

[DarkPhenyx]

100. Please provide direct quote...

...preferably with links to the topics.

<on edit>

I'll also accept an apology and a retraction of your statement.

[Forkboy]

114. None of which you'll get

because it happened on DU1.

too bad so sad.

[DarkPhenyx]

119. Yes, it is.

and horribly convienent too. Kinda like Saddam destroying all his NBC weapons just before we invaded so that the Admin dosen't have to produce evidence that they ever existed in the first place.

It also bears a striking resemblance to the reports of them being found which were later discredited but never retracted by major newspapers thus leaving the "story" alive and breathing.

Most curious indeed.

[Forkboy]

122. Most curious indeed

Didn't Marvin Martian say that?

[DarkPhenyx]

124. No.

Something else you would be wrong about.

[Forkboy]

129. Just one

but who's counting :hi:

[Rex]

69. I'm glad the man is gone, if that is cheering then so be it.

nt

[DarkPhenyx]

72. Why are you glad?

He was no longer of any consequence. It's like saying that you are glad the bum on the corner is finally gone. In fact, now that he is gone, it will make him just that much more of a sainted symbol to the RW. THat much harder to fight. What he lacked in the last few years of his life he will now have in death, and you can't fight a ghost.

[Rex]

81. But Reagan wasn't a 'bum on the corner' now was he?

He let lobbyist destroy Congress, tried to get rid of unions, allowed the market to become a free-for-all, terminated social programs for the poor and mentally handicap. This all in his first term. He allowed the U.S. Constitution to be defiled with the Iran-Contra affair, when Congress questioned him he lied and said he couldn't recall anything (I watched it on T.V. and knew the asshole was lying). He sold Iraq equipment to make WMDs knowing full well they were going to be used on Iran and the Kurds. I could go on if you wish...

He was no Stalin or Hitler, but he was an evil man that helped waste huge taxpayer dollars on building a worthless arsenal of nuclear weapons. So that is why I'm glad, good riddance to him and the evil he brought to the World.

[DarkPhenyx]

84. And you believe that Democrats...

...are flawless?

Reagan quit being the boogy man years ago. His death makes no real difference in the world. We look very foolish to be acting the way we are about his death. We look like our opponents. This isn't a good thing.

[Rex]

87. I don't believe the Democrats have done as much harm as Reagan

to America, if I'm wrong then please enlighten me on how. Quite frankly, who are you to judge if someone is looking foolish? I'm sorry if some of our behavior disturbs you but that is life, deal with it.

[DarkPhenyx]

94. so you have no problem...

...with people doing more harm than good for the cause. That's cool. Just need to remember not to let you guard my back ever is all.

As to whom am I to judge? I'm Phe. That's good enough. My guage would be that everyone that I am speaking against would have a cow if this was a Democratic icon being discussed in this manner. That would be called hypocrasy. Hypocrasy will almost always make you foolish.

[Rex]

101. Being self-righteous can make one look foolish.

Or so I've heard. If the Democrat is an evil bastard then good riddance to him to (paging Zell). I'm not sure about people who think everyone is with the "cause", I don't do ideologies.

[DarkPhenyx]

104. And when one is right...

...you tend to look very foolish to those who are wrong. Something I learned from being right, and proven right, as often as I am. The war protesters would be an excellent example of this.


I'd actually like to be wrong more often. However, that isn't the way it usually goes.

[Rex]

105. You sound arrogant to me, but I'm sure that's wrong.

nt

[DarkPhenyx]

107. Been called that before too.

However you are correct. I'm not arrogant. I am an asshole however. My Dad is too. He tells me it's genetic. Supposedly I'm descended from a long line of assholes.

[Rex]

110. Well at least you're honest.

That counts for something. FWIW, that you feel sorry that Reagan has passed and that some of us are 'happy' makes you a better person than I (IMHO).

[DarkPhenyx]

115. Thank you for the compliment

I don't feel sorry that he has died though. I simply find it unseemly to be gloating and happy about it. I don't think I'm a better person. I'm just me. :shrug: I was raised different is all.

[Forkboy]

117. "Supposedly I'm descended from a long line of assholes."

Hey,something we can agree on!

[DarkPhenyx]

123. Nothing intelligent to say?

too bad. You should have been able to come up with somthing better than that. Oh well.

Like maybe evidence for the false accusation you made?

[Forkboy]

131. I'm emulating you

[DarkPhenyx]

136. Then way wasn't your post...

...insiteful? It should have at leat been whitty or scathingly sarcastic. Try again. Maybe with practice, no?

[HEyHEY]

79. Here here

[smirkymonkey]

86. Oh, please!

Enough of this sanctimonius tripe already!

[Duncan Grant]

92. Thank you!

You took the words right out of my mouth! :yourock:

[DarkPhenyx]

103. Too bad.

It would have been so much better if you could have spoken for yourself.

[Duncan Grant]

109. Thank you for once again providing proof of your superiority.

We all kneel.

[DarkPhenyx]

111. You are welcome.

Now...you may go about your business.

[DarkPhenyx]

102. Why?

You'd rather gloat over someone death? Laugh at their pain? Sounds like someone losing touch with their humanity there.

[Walt Starr]

89. I'm embarrassed for us all

over the moralizers who feel the necessity to push everybody into hiding how they really feel about the evil old fuck.

[DarkPhenyx]

97. Yes...

...I'm not surprised. Most unfortunate too.

[Walt Starr]

106. Yep, the sanctimonious bullshit is the equivalent of the PC bullshit

Fuck anyone who wants to tell me how to think or feel about an evil fuck who affected me and my friends directly with his fucked up evil policies.

He killed thousands in his life time. The only thing I'm sorry about is the evil fuck had no brain to feel a long suffering death.

[DarkPhenyx]

108. nice.

how sad that you have lost all your humanity and become that which you hated.

BTW. I have never told you how to think or feel. Not once in any of my posts.

[Walt Starr]

113. You;re trying to play a guilt trip

and even my own mother never got away with that shit. I sure as hell won't let you.

Reagan was an evil fuck more evil than Saddam Hussein or Charles Manson. The only thing I'm sorry about is that he lost his fucking memory and couldn't feel horrible pain for at least two decades before dying in utter agony.

[Waverley_Hills_Hiker]

118. More evil than Charles Manson?

Hmmm.....

....but yes, I dont have any real problem with people expressing how much they despised Reagan.

The thing to remember was that it was Reagan that was the vehicle for the far right to break into mainstream politics in the USA. Moreso than any other GOP president (with maybe the exception of this Bush), he was a tool of the right wing.

So I really dont see why people on this board should be too pious or "sad" that hes dead.

[Walt Starr]

121. Yes, FAR MORE EVIL than Charles Manson

Reagan talked a fuck of a lot more people into murdering a fuck of a lot more people than Manson ever did.

[DarkPhenyx]

125. Not pious or sad.

Just asking that we act better than those we are supposed to be better than. A little decorum and class really wouldn't be out of place.

[Waverley_Hills_Hiker]

127. How sad, How sad.

How very very sad.

>sniff, slobber, sniff<

OK..im finished mourning.

[DarkPhenyx]

138. Who's mourning?

Definately not me. Just trying to be a better person than the oposition is all.

[Walt Starr]

128. FUCK TAKING THE HIGH ROAD!!!!!

Taking the fucking high road put Bush in the White House and gave the Senate to the Repukes!

I WILL NEVER TAKE THE HIGH ROAD AGAIN! FUCK THE BASTARDS!!! I WILL USE EVERY UNDER HANDED TRICK I CAN!!! I WILL SPIT IN THEIR EYES AND KICK THEM IN THE BALLS!

AND I WILL GLEEFULLY PISS ON THE GRAVE OF THE EVIL FUCK WHO REPRESENTS ALL OF THE EVIL THEY SPEW!!!

THE EVIL FUCK DECLARED WAR ON ME! THE ONLY THING I AM SORRY ABOUT IS HE DID NOT SPEND A CENTURY IN AGONIZING PAIN BEFORE HE DIED!!!

[Name removed]

137. Deleted message

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[chefgirl]

160. Sad to hear you say this...

"I WILL NEVER TAKE THE HIGH ROAD AGAIN! FUCK THE BASTARDS!!! I WILL USE EVERY UNDER HANDED TRICK I CAN!!! I WILL SPIT IN THEIR EYES AND KICK THEM IN THE BALLS!



...because if that's true, then you've already lost. :shrug:

And, to stay on topic in this thread, I would just like to know why so many people here can't seem to separate hatred for Reagans political policies from respect for the fact that he was a fellow human being.
He was a terrible President and now he's dead. What good does it do to lower yourself to being happy about it??
It's just plain ignorant and backward to dance on someone's grave.

Just my $.02

-chef-

[DarkPhenyx]

120. No guilt trip.

Just pointing out a simple fact. Only you can make yourself guilty. That would be why your mother failed.

Nice hyperbole BTW. Very catchy.

[Walt Starr]

130. I'm not guilty

but you ARE attempting to play a guilt trip, and doing it very poorly too, I might add!

[U4ikLefty]

134. Good job Walt

[DarkPhenyx]

135. Everyone is gilty of something.

Just now you are guilty of playing the "I am not!" game. That the one children play were they say "Am not! Are too! Am not! Are too!". Whatebver you wish to believe about yourself is fine. We all need our illusions.

[OneTwentyoNine]

139. Same guilt trip when we found out that Rush is a druggie...

Same two or three people on DU bashing other DU'ers because they couldn't weep and feel pity for Rush Limbaugh and his horrible addiction.

David

[DarkPhenyx]

142. Yes, I had the same opinion about Rush.

Only proves that I have integrity and strength of conviction.

However you are completely wrong on one point. I could have given a rats ass if you had pity or could weep for Rush. I did have an issue woith people being hypocritical in their condemnation of him for it.

[Walt Starr]

182. No, it shows your weakness

which those you feign compassion for will sit in your eyes and kick you in the balls.

[Walt Starr]

183. No, it shows your weakness

which those you feign compassion for will spit in your eyes and kick you in the balls.

[DarkPhenyx]

186. And so they do.

I will still be a better and stonger person despite anything they do to me. I will still have integrity. Something they lost a long time ago.

[primavera]

154. Had sad that you have lost your humanity

In the time that it's taken you to write all of these posts, probably at least 100 people around the planet have died, probably almost all of whom were more virtuous and deserving of your sorrow than Reagan, yet where are your tears for them?

People die every minute, a tragic but inescapable fact of life, and they and their families all deserve compassion, including Ronnie. But to make the death of he who was so much less than most in life, into something so much greater than the deaths of others who were so much more, seems hypocritical.

So, now that we have devoted the better part of a day to discussing the death of Ronnie, shall we pause for at least a single moment of silence for the innocent child that almost surely somewhere in the world today perished at the hands of the violent, ends-justify-the-means policies cherished by Reagan and his ideological kin?

[rocktop15]

91. Amen.

ssia

[Lone_Wolf_Moderate]

95. You are correct.

It is sad, indeed.

[Neecy]

132. it isn't the death of "a" president...

It's the death of THIS president.

When I was nine years old, my Democratic parents took the family to Washington DC to see Ike's funeral procession. They wanted to honor the memory of someone they admired, regardless of political party. I'm glad I went. It's still a vivid memory.

There's a difference between honoring the memory of a good and decent man and feigning sympathy over someone who did so much harm to so many people and who turned the keys to the GOP over to the Christian right - an act so destructive that we're only now seeing the effects of it in our newly-minted Crusades.

Actually, the only sympathy I feel now is for our country, and all that he did to harm it.

[DarkPhenyx]

145. It is the death of a President.

It doesn't matter which President. The reactions tht I am speaking against, the public displays of hatred before the body is even cold, are indicitive of some of the worst things our society has become. Things I would much rather be able to point at in out opposition w/o having to acknowledge that we have the same rampant sickness amongst ourselves.

[drdigi420]

147. o waaaaaaaa

get over it, Reagan was scum, now he's worm food

GOOD RIDDANCE!!!!

[DarkPhenyx]

151. Get over it?

Damn...interesting perspective. I wonder how applicable that would be to so many of the opinions and issues we debate here on DU. I'll have to consider that.

[neuvocat]

133. How sad for you to feel embarassed

and somehow denigrate those who have a right to be angry at a man who ruined their lives.

Death does not excuse such wicked crimes as these.

[DarkPhenyx]

144. I'm not denegrating them for being angry at Reagan.

I am doing so because they are acting exactly like those people they claim to oppose.

[drdigi420]

146. I'm embarrassed of DUers that are NOT cheering his death.

The whole fucking world should be cheering his death.

A LOT of people are dead because of that man. I am dedicating my whole summer to be one long "Rid of Reagan' party.

Fuck anyone who tries to diminish my glee for some sappy bullshit reason.

Fuck Reagan and EVERYONE who supported him.

And FUCK the media for pretending he was anything but an evil puppet.

It's intellectually dishonest to pretend to not be happy that a major symbol of racism, classism, and hate is finally dead.

I'll make a deal with you, you bring back all the ppl that are dead because of him, and I'll stop celebrating his passing.

[DarkPhenyx]

152. Also congratulations to you.

You've become the monster you are fighting against. You will also get your certificate in the mail in 4 - 5 business days.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

149. Yes. How sad. Boo-hoo. Tragic. Golly, gee. Horrible. Weep.

Phew, now I feel SOOO much better about not giving a rip that one of the worst presidents ever to infest the WH is gone to his reward.

Gosh, maybe I should go back and shed a few tears for Andrew Johnson and Nixon.

[DarkPhenyx]

153. And will you have the same reaction...

...when Carter and Clinton die? Remember, if you ask some people, they aren't fit to wipe Reagan's ass. You can't bitch and complain about the treatment they get when the time comes. If you do it will be a very hypocritical position you are taking.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

155. I'll have the same reaction when Pinochet or Thatcher dies.

Nor, will I care what the fascists say or do when Carter or Clinton die.

Reagan was one of the worst presidents this country has ever had. He was responsible for the deaths of thousands of people much better than he.

I'm not rejoicing at his death, but I'm sure as hell not crying over it, or paying him "respect" just because he happened to dupe the American people into electing him by appealing to their worst instincts.

Nor am I embarrassed, appalled, outraged, or worried by the refusal of many here who refuse to fall for the adulation now foisted on us by the media.

He was a bad man who did many bad things. His death doesn't change that.

[DarkPhenyx]

159. I've never said you should "pay him respcet"

or cry over his death. THe only think I have said is that we should behave like civilized decent human beings and not tear into his corpse and piss on his grave, particularly before he's even in it. That would be the sum total of what I have been saying.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

161. Sins of omission.

I tore into Reagan while he was alive and in power. His death doesn't transform my contempt for the man and his record.

I'm not gloating over his death. I am appalled at the adulation shown by the media of a very evil man who was responsible for the deaths of thousands.

That many are mourning him, and others are rejoicing, is a matter of indifference to me.

I'm a helluva lot more concerned about the guys now in power and what they're doing than whether a bad ex-prez died.

I'd much rather they just buried the SOB and got on with what's going on now.

[DarkPhenyx]

162. Agreed.

But in so far as our behaving this way makes us look as bad as they say we are, further polarizes the opposition this close to an election, and does damage to our real causes, the stupidity of publishing this rabid hate fest is definately a concern.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

165. It's called free speech.

That leftwing activists are blowing off steam will be most noticed by the rabid reactionaries who are going to vote for the boob-in-chief no matter what. I doubt that anything said here will influence anyone to vote differntly. If you want to worry about damage to "our" cause (not necessarily mine - I'm still trying to convince myself that voting for Kerry will serve any purpose - I live in a "safe" state so can afford to vote my conscious), you should worry about the media adulation that will convince the dunderheaded middle that Reagan was a hero and that Dumbya is also a republican hence also a hero.

[DarkPhenyx]

167. Even free speech has a price.

Free speech still doesn't change that they are being just as vicious and evil as the people they are ranting against. That being the case it is safe to say they are no better than those they are ranting against.

As far as what the media is doing I ahve very little influance with the media. Not too likely to change their policies. Besides, the media are not on my side in this. These people are supposed to be. It's always the stupidity and hypocrasy from my own people that pisses me off the most. We're supposed to know better.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

168. "Just as vicious and evil.." Oh, Puleeze.

I doubt that anyone here has been responsible for the deaths of thousands.

As for hypocrisy, hell, we're all hypocrites in one way or another. Most of us are for "Justice and Peace" yet we still pay taxes to support our bloated military. We're all for ending poverty but are damned sure not going to give up our comforts to do so.

Not to mention any number here that will vote for "the lesser of two evils" on the basis of Kerry's military won't kill as many as Bush's military.

Hypocrisy is just another word for "compromise". Your principles won't let you forgive the anger directed at Reagan, mine won't let me vote for Kerry after his IWR vote.

[DarkPhenyx]

174. I wouldn't bet money on that.

Unless you are interested in losing.

OK, I agree. All of us are hyp;ocrits at one time or another. It's calle dbeing human. Hwever, are we not still allowed to point out and fight against hypocrasy whenever we see it? Particualrly among are own peopel who are supposed to know better?

Remember. Integrity is what you have left over when you stick by your principles, even when it is inconvienent or not necessarily in your best interest. I like having integrity. Helps me sleep at night.

[RobinA]

171. Nice Try

Fighting this nonsense, but it seems people insist upon being blind 'til the end. "But I hated him" they stomp and screech. Black and white thinkers, just like our fearless leader.

[DarkPhenyx]

175. Thanks you.

I do what I can. :) Appreciate the support.

[Forkboy]

176. Black and white thinkers

are the ones who can't see the difference between people on DU and our fearless leader.

[buddhamama]

178. hyperbole has become the theme of the day

the poster has morphed before our eyes-
leaderfreeper-like greyless thinker.

[flaminbats]

157. The death of any human being is sad to us at DU...

but it is natural that different people will react to this in different ways. You can't seriously expect a nation of sinners to act like a choir of angels, especially when a politican dies.

[TankLV]

166. You can stuff your embarrassment - I will say it loud and proud that I am

truely glad the world is ride of this vile man.

We have every right to be angry and mad and UNFORGIVING for this scum of humanity.

Save your energies for battling this evil thing known as the GOP.

It would be better placed and better for humanity.

I'm tired of turning the other cheek when the other side has brass knuckles.

THIS IS A WAR! AND IT IS A WAS I INTEND TO WIN!

I will give no safe quarter to those who ruined our country.

THE WORLD IS WORSE OFF FOR THAT PIECE OF HUMAN EXCREMENT HAVING BEEN BORN.

[Pithlet]

170. The guy hurt a lot of people and was very bad for the world.

I won't join in on the revelry, though. But that kind of reaction isn't all that sad or shocking.

[buddhamama]

172. don't be embarrassed for me

i'm not celebrating nor mourning his passing.

I am doing what every citizen should be doing on this Day,
remembering the President and his yrs in office- The Bad to Worse to Horrific.

[bicentennial_baby]

173. I'm with ya there Cheryl

"remembering the President and his yrs in office- The Bad to Worse to Horrific."

Yep. x(

[deacon]

177. How can you be embarrassed for us all? who are you? How arrogant...

...you must be picking up some pontificating lessons from watching too many bush speeches.

Assuming all at DU are cheering the death of an ex-president is factually false.

This is a troll thread.

Adios.

[westsidexview]

179. venom unleashed

reagan was a political master. his political being weaned the left from power. it is only human that those who suffered the most politically should rejoice in his demise. the facts are that the country has moved to the right, due in large part to the coming of and the wake of ronald reagan. let it out. he personally can do no more harm.

[robbedvoter]

180. Half of your posts embarrass me, so we are even. Don't say "We" anymore,

OK? There's nothing you and I share in common. Nothing.

[Walt Starr]

185. BRAVO!!

IMO, showing ANY compassion to the right is a sign of weakness they will punce on.

It's all there in the history. The instant Gore/Lieberman showed a hint of compassion, BAM, they stole the fucking election. In 2002 the instant the Democrats in Congress showed a hint of compassion, BAM, they get their asses handed to them in the election.

[ibegurpard]

187. Amen!

:thumbsup:

[ElsewheresDaughter]

181. burrrrrrrpr.......excuse me

[noiretextatique]

184. phony sentiment and reverance to a TITLE

is no better than spitting on someone's grave...or rather, typing a post on an internet discussion board about spitting on someone's grave.

[mvd]

188. My take

While I'm not celebrating Reagan's death, I still think the ones who are can be good people. We are human beings, and unfortunately, good people are capable of hate.

[arwalden]

189. Surely If Someone Simply Doesn't Care, And Doesn't Feign Grief...

that's not as horrible an offense as expressing outright glee and proclamations of dancing on (or pissing on) one's grave. Is it?

Someone please tell me how I should feel.

-- Allen

[Forkboy]

190. With your hands silly

:P