I mourn the death of Ronald Reagan.

[RapidCreek]

Frankly, I wish the the man could have suffered the collective misery he has caused so many for all eternity. The family, others on this board suggest I should pitty, sure as hell won't.

They won't miss the protections the union I was in afforded me and my family. They won't miss the hospitalization my father, uncles and I, as Veterans, were denied. They won't have to suffer having their phones tapped and movements shadowed by the FBI because Ronnie and his GE cronnies accused an uncle of being a communist for standing in the way of Nuclear Energy Production. They won't suffer the AIDS virus his marginalization of homosexuals gave traction too. They won't suffer the decimation of the investments my family made to keep them in cloths, food and housing when they retired. They wont have to work at Walmart at the age of 76 to afford their medications. They won't have to worry about taking time off from that job at Walmart and missing the paycheck they need to survive, if they go in to have hip replacement surgery.

I should pity his family? Whatever for? They live in the lap of luxury because he prostituted himself. His family enjoys the money and luxuries made off that prostitution, a prostitution wich caused the suffering of my own. That luxury won't end with his demize....quite the contrary I would imagine.

Death is to good for him.

RC

[galadrium]

1. I dont think anybody deserves what he went through

Have a little compassion.

[RapidCreek]

20. For what exactly?

It's hard to have compassion for someone or the family of someone who enjoys a fortune earned through the suffering of me and mine.

[ikojo]

24. John Lennon said it best.....Instant Karma

Reagan's experiences the last few years were just the universe's way of dispensing judgement. Yeah it sucks to have alzheimers but this guy had access to 24 hour duty nurses and other home health aides. I doubt many veterans have access to the same level of healthcare.

Instant Karma
John Lennon

Instant Karma's gonna get you
Gonna knock you right on the head
You better get yourself together
Pretty soon you're gonna be dead
What in the world you thinking of
Laughing in the face of love
What on earth you tryin' to do
It's up to you, yeah you

Instant Karma's gonna get you
Gonna look you right in the face
Better get yourself together darlin'
Join the human race
How in the world you gonna see
Laughin' at fools like me
Who in the hell d'you think you are
A super star
Well, right you are

Well we all shine on
Like the moon and the stars and the sun
Well we all shine on
Ev'ryone come on

Instant Karma's gonna get you
Gonna knock you off your feet
Better recognize your brothers
Ev'ryone you meet
Why in the world are we here
Surely not to live in pain and fear
Why on earth are you there
When you're ev'rywhere
Come and get your share

Well we all shine on
Like the moon and the stars and the sun
Yeah we all shine on
Come on and on and on on on
Yeah yeah, alright, uh huh, ah

Well we all shine on
Like the moon and the stars and the sun
Yeah we all shine on
On and on and on on and on

Well we all shine on
Like the moon and the stars and the sun
Well we all shine on
Like the moon and the stars and the sun
Well we all shine on
Like the moon and the stars and the sun
Yeah we all shine on
Like the moon and the stars and the sun

[Th1onein]

33. What he went through? WHAT did he go through?

Alzheimer's is harder on the family than it is on the patient. Let me tell you something: I saw my son die of cystic fibrosis, which means that I watched him, literally, suffocate to death. He was 21 years old, and he KNEW he was going to die. Reagan had Alzheimer's. By the time he died, he knew NOTHING. Alzheimer's takes your consciousness, literally. You know NOTHING. And Reagan lived a full and RICH life, unlike my child.

No, Reagan got MORE than he EVER deserved and then he died an easy death. I would wish that much for my most beloved family members and friends in this world.

I have no grief for Ronald Reagan. And I have utter disdain for his wife, who along with the other Repukes of the time knew that Ronnie was suffering from Alzheimer's during his FIRST term and wasn't a decent enough human being to let the people of America know about it and let him run for re-election. Piss on the Reagans and all of their ilk.

[DarkPhenyx]

2. waht a sad statement about us and liberals in general...

...that they are cheering the death of another human being. particularly after the disease he suffered from. It's unfortunate that at times like this most of us tend to be no better than those people we stand against.

[galadrium]

6. I agree

People here need to start acting like real liberals

[ScreamingMeemie]

8. I am a real liberal and part of being a real liberal...in my opinion...is

not gloating over suffering and death. Liberal to me means having one's own opinion, and I certainly do not share this opinion. And that makes me no less liberal.

[RapidCreek]

14. I didn't say I was cheering his death...quite the contrary.

RC

[EndElectoral]

3. He was not as bad as Nixon or Shrub.

[LeahMira]

21. Not as bad?

Actually, I'm not sure that Nixon did as much damage as Reagan did overall. Shrub is the worst so far, but there's reason to think that he wouldn't be able to go quite as far as he has if Reagan hadn't laid a lot of the groundwork.

[ikojo]

25. Without Reagan there would have been no Bush I

and thus no Bush II. Both are creations of the conservative movement that Reagan represented.

Reagan armed Hussein during the 1980s. Without that, would the US be in Iraq today?

[RapidCreek]

41. Is that right?

What's worse about Nixon or Shrub? He was a lier like Nixon and committed treason like shrub.

RC

[lgardengate]

4. Wow

So much for mercy on the family.

For what it's worth he did some good things.He inspired many Americans to believe in a good future for the country and he really did help end the cold war.

I'm glad he is now in heaven instead of suffering.
Flame me if you like.

[RapidCreek]

15. I wouldn't waste my time.

RC

[RetroLounge]

39. "I'm glad he is now in heaven ???"

Uhm, he's a bit South of there...

RL

[Sporadicus]

5. Perhaps He Will

I could almost hear the gates of hell groaning, opening wide to receive such an esteemed citizen. I firmly believe the afterlife holds torment for one who afflicted so many lives.

[ScreamingMeemie]

7. Can I just say...that's disgusting...really disgusting. As a family

member of one who suffered from Alzheimers I am really speechless over this sentiment. In my life, everything is not ruled over by politics. However much I disagreed with his policies.How sad for me if it were. No one...No one deserves to die in such a manner. For shame.

[Arugula Latte]

10. I'm sorry for your family member.

But don't you realize that Reagan's "pro-life" crappola has set back a cure for Alzheimers, not to mention M.S., Lou Gehrigs, diabetes, you name it?

[ScreamingMeemie]

12. ...and so his children should suffer...his family?

[RapidCreek]

18. Why not? My children and family suffer...while his enjoy

the fortunes their suffering made possible.

RC

[ScreamingMeemie]

19. Oh please, Maureen was not an apologist for her father, nor was his

son. This is basic bad behaviour. The very thing we supposedly loathe in Republicans. We all suffer.

[RapidCreek]

22. Tell me....if every Neo-Con prick on the face of the planet

got alzheimers...how would I suffer? How would the world suffer?

Maureen and his son...while fine people, enjoyed the wealth exacted through the suffering of my family. Frankly I fail to see how my sentiment would affect either of them. They didn't offer their condolences or warm feeling when my father died at a young age....a death which was brought about by the actions of their father.

RC

[ScreamingMeemie]

28. I'm not saying one needs to offer their condolences, I am saying

we should give it a rest. Wealthy people are of both stripes, Democratic and Republican as well...Would you cheer the death of Susan Sarandon because she has made money off of you? I will respect his family. I still don't respect his policies.

[RapidCreek]

30. Susan Sarandon has made no money off of my suffering

What about this concept is so difficult for you to comprehend?

It's not wealth I have a problem with....it's the method by which that wealth was achieved.

RC

[ScreamingMeemie]

31. I am not a receiver of my father's wealth. That's his. Maureen, and

Ronald too, distanced themselves from their family. They have earned my respect. They have profitted nothing from my suffering.

I comprehend you completely, and I still disagree. It's not worth toasting. It's a death...plain and simple, and sad for the family.

[RapidCreek]

34. What? Maureen and her brother grew up naked, hungry and

uneducated behind a dumster in an ally? How about you? No I don't think so...quite the contrary in fact. They enjoyed a leg up from the booty their fathers larceny afforded them....a leg up quite a few kids in this country haven't and won't enjoy as a result.

They have profitted from my suffering...and the suffering of many others. Granted, it was not of their own accord...but that makes the point no less accurate. The social position that proffiting has afforded them and the name to which it is attatched, gives them top billing on a stage from which to seek respect. A stage which was pulled out from under those their father cheated.

I never said Reagans death was worthy of a toast...niether was his life. I said I wished he would live forever and suffer for eternity the pain he has caused so many others. While his son and daughter are spending their time earning your respect upon the stage their fathers theivery affords them and my tax dollar is supplying the nurses and facilities to care for his rotten ass....my time and what money I have left is spent caring for an elderly woman who's predicament afforded them that stage and time they enjoy occupying it.

RC

[RapidCreek]

17. Let me ask you...

Was Hitler a politician? Stalin? Joe McCarthy? How about Idi Amin?


You might call a person who pounds nails in for a living a carpenter....If he hits his fellows in the head with his hammer to get work ...is he any less a carpenter? Or does this make him something else as well?

RC

[LeahMira]

23. Not "happy" but relieved...

Was Hitler a politician? Stalin? Joe McCarthy? How about Idi Amin?

Absolutely. I think it's only natural to feel more of a loss when a genuinely good person dies. I suppose I feel sort of sad at the waste of a life that might have been better lived, but I'm sort of relieved that he's gone. One less evil person in the world.

[RapidCreek]

27. The point of my post was...

Yes...they were politicians....and they also clearly something else as well.

Calling oneself a politician hardly makes irrelavent the mechanics of that politics.

Tiddly Winks is a game...putting one round in the chamber of a revolver, pulling the trigger, while you point it at a persons head who is tied to a chair and betting on whether or not they will die when the firing pin falls is a game as well.

I don't think you can excuse the later by saying...."Gee the guy doing it is just a Gamer! We all play different games"!

RC

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[Heyo]

11. Wow....

Leftist compassion at it's best.

Can't say it comes as a shock.

Heyo

[Piperay]

13. Alzheimers runs in my family

I had an aunt and an uncle who died from it and believe me anyone who has it suffers and the family suffers even more. I wouldn't wish it on anyone and suffering with it while you are alive is misery enough without suffering in eternity. :argh:

[Liberal Classic]

26. This is the third time today

I have heard "I wouldn't wish it on anyone." As someone who is reponsible for an elder with alzheimers, please allow me to support you 100%.

[chookie]

32. My mum suffered and died of it

It was horrific.

I don't think people who take glee in the death of this man understand what it sounds like, to those of us who have walked this hard road, when they talk about "instant karma," and how Reagan deserved this sort of end. It makes my blood run cold.

Alzheimer's, as death, is the great equalizer. If my mom didn't "deserve" Alzheimer's as some ruling of divine justice for her "crimes", then, by golly, neither did the Gipper. Alzheimer's is very egalitarian as to whom it strikes!

My feelings at this time are somber. My heart goes out to his family, and, yes, to the people who have long admired him.

[RapidCreek]

35. Your heart goes out to people who steal from you,

shit on you and gleefully profit from the misery of others.

Wow....Remind me to keep you at arms length when the brown shirts come a knockin. After all, deep down they're just like your mom...or am I not understanding your point?

RC

[Syrinx]

16. Nice to see liberal compassion alive and well

:puke:

[RapidCreek]

29. I have compassion for those who exibit it themselves

I have compassion for those who are not capable of having comassion....like sharks or slugs or ants.

I have no compassion for one who is fully capable of demostrating it but chooses not to....in fact chooses to exibit exactly the opposite in spite of knowing better.

RC

[agincourt]

36. I think he will know now,

everything everyone experienced from his deeds. That will be a lot to bear. What comes around goes around. To know the effect of all one does in a life like that, will be burden enough.

[Heyo]

37. Since I was pretty young then...

.. but I;m not tally uniformed, since I have studied alot since, when I started being interested in politics...

Whom are you referring to when you talk of all the people who you say Reagan caused much suffering for, and in what manner?

Just curious...

Cause, even though I sort of dislike politicians, I do agree with alot of stuff he did and I liked and respected him as a person, but I am open to the other side of the story.

Heyo

[agincourt]

38. Quite a few actually

In Guatemala he supported a regime that killed scores of people in the area who were suspected of being communist. Most were just people in the wrong place at the wrong time. He funneled lots of resources to death squads in El Salvador. Most was done under the table through the CIA. He supported extremist islamacists fighting the USSR in Afghanistan but wouldn't do much to help the more moderate ones like Masood. This was from a policy of having General Zia of Pakistan determine how the military aid would be divvied up.
On the domestic front he had Americans work harder and longer for less money and benefits. He thought the minimum wage was one of the worst things ever done. Poverty went up substantially under his watch, and that's what they wanted ,to make people fear for their jobs more. He tried to gut college aid for lower income students. When he tried to funnel more tax breaks for the rich , he also went after unpaid student loans.
He provided satellite intelligence info to Saddam Hussein. Some think he may have furnished him with gas as they wanted a lot of Iranians dead at that time. He got us involved in the Persian gulf with the flagging of Kuwaiti tankers. We haven't been out since.
He supported policies that were petty and mean-spirited while using the media Wurlitzer to put a happy face on it all. And that seems to be what the US is about more and more. Bad policies with a happy spin.
The ones who suffered the most from Reagen's policies would be in central America and the US. He at least didn't come up with a new war every year like shrub.

[RapidCreek]

40. there is no other side of the story

There is just the story. It is there for anyone to see...all you have to do is look....and if you haven't done it yet...you never will.

It is not my job to educate you. How ignorant you remain is entirely up to you. I could go on for pages and pages...but that has been done by others. Unlike yourself I lived through the atrocities he commited to gain the knowledge I have. You have a tool called Google. I suggest you use it.

You state that you agree with alot of the stuff he did.....Like what, for instance?

RC







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