Did Donna Brazille just say the Democrats told Gore to stop recount?

[madfloridian]

I hope some people on here heard her. I have tried to say that, but I always get criticized.

She is on Majority Report.

[PaDUer]

1. Rendell...n/t

[otohara]

3. Yep Rendell - Chairman of Party no less

Gore ``should act now and concede,'' Ed Rendell, the chairman of the Democratic Party said less than an hour after the court issued its 5-4 late night ruling five tumultuous weeks after the nation voted.

[rabid_nerd]

4. AFTER Wexell (FL) said the SAME THING

albeit teary-eyed

[madfloridian]

8. And Penelas took a vacation during the recount to further the message.

It was all so sad. I just get mad all over again.

And meanwhile people were banging pots and pans outside Gore's home. They even got into the house when they were home and walked through the kids' bedrooms.

Doro Bush took part in this. And they told Gore to stop the recount. I don't think some in the party wanted him to win. I really believe that.

[Southsideirish]

62. Whole thing an unbelievable nightmare & Al is still being castigated

by idiots who don't know their ass from a hole in the ground. History books will record what happened to Al Gore and 100 years from now people will read about the infamous election of 2000 and be horrified that we, the people, just stood by and did nothing.

[bluestateguy]

6. Rendell has never liked Gore

In 2000 he privately bitched too his associates about the Gore campaign knowing full well that his comments would find their way into reporters' notebooks.

On election night 2000 the minute Bush was declared the "winner" of Florida he was already on TV pouncing on the Gore campaign.

I'm glad he's governor of Pennslyvania, but he is not known for his party loyalty.

[Mandate My Ass]

74. He's an asshole

and if he doesn't like you, he won't keep it a secret and he's been known to pull some antics in public to make sure the press knows his true feelings about certain people. It's quite childish, really. I'm glad we got rid of Ridge and have Ed, but he's got issues. I was very disappointed in his treatment of Gore in 2000.

[Alerter_]

9. Ed Rendell supports the War against Iraq doesn't he?

Maybe that's why he pressured Gore to concede, so Bush would win and we'd have the war.

[PaDUer]

59. Rendell came to one of the reservistss

funerals, and also came to Wilkes Barre, PA on Memorial Day to give his speech..also, the mother of the dead reservist worked for Rendell when he was mayor of Phila.

[Alerter_]

76. okay, so is he for the war?

We know there were plenty of Democrats pushing for war against Iraq - Lieberman perhaps the most famous - but Rendell did as well, didn't he?

[genius]

67. That's why I think Rendell is a low-life. He gave us Bush.

[w13rd0]

2. Yes, she did...

...and she's correct. Gore was opposed, pressured to LET BUSH STEAL THE WHITE HOUSE, by the COCKROACH wing of the Democratic party.

[Alerter_]

13. the cockroaches that wanted war in the Middle East?

Did any Democrats sign PNAC? Albright pushed for war in Iraq didn't she?

[w13rd0]

17. no comment

I'm a uniter ;)

[Justitia]

22. Will Marshall is a PNAC signatory

I have read posts here in DU saying he is helping Kerry write his foreign policy positions and that scares the bejeezus out of me, if it is true.

I am still trying to get confirmation on this.

Will Marshall is a bonafide cockroach.

http://rightweb.irc-online.org/charts/pnac-chart.htm

[LandOLincoln]

34. According to the WaPo, Marshall is not one of the "Pooh-Bahs:"

"Since Kerry wrapped up the presidential nomination in March, however, many of the Democratic Party all-stars have signed on and are injecting new energy. Now in the midst of an 11-day blitz on foreign policy, Kerry is also being advised by former secretary of state Madeleine K. Albright, former U.N. ambassadors Richard C. Holbrooke and Bill Richardson, former defense secretary William J. Perry, former Joint Chiefs of Staff chairman Gen. John M. Shalikashvili, former NATO commander Gen. Wesley K. Clark, and Sen. Joseph R. Biden (Del.), ranking Democrat on the Foreign Relations Committee.

(snip)

"Kerry's staff jokingly calls the inner circle the Pooh-bahs, from the 1885 Gilbert and Sullivan opera 'The Mikado.' The word originally meant 'Lord-High-Everything-Else' and has come to signify a person of great influence or high position.

"The Pooh-bahs are increasingly visible in taking on the Vulcans, the more serious name given George W. Bush's foreign policy team during the 2000 campaign. The term 'Vulcans' came from a statue in Condoleezza Rice's home town of Birmingham, which captured the strength and determination they sought to portray. The Vulcans included Rice, Paul D. Wolfowitz, Richard N. Perle, Richard L. Armitage, Robert D. Blackwill, Stephen J. Hadley and others -- most best known later for crafting Iraq policy.

"Although some Kerry staff aides cringe at their nickname, Holbrooke jested upon hearing that he is called a Pooh-bah, 'It's the highest rank I've ever held, and I hope by the end of the campaign to be promoted to pasha.'"


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A1438-2004May29.html

[Alerter_]

43. yeah, pro-Iraq war Holbrooke and Albright

At least they were for war against Iraq when Clinton was President, and pro-war in Serbia.

[madfloridian]

47. Here is the statement about Will Marshall writing Kerry's speech

More about the PPI of which they are members also. Having trouble telling
the difference between the two parties? Wonder why?
http://www.portlandphoenix.com/features/other_stories/multi2/documents/02833709.asp
"First, there’s Harlan Ullman, author of the " Shock and Awe " concept
employed by the Pentagon at the start of the war against Iraq, who shares
Kerry’s background as Naval veteran of the Vietnam War. And there’s Will
Marshall of the Progressive Policy Institute (the think tank linked to the
centrist-leaning Democratic Leadership Council), whom Kerry tapped to draft
his January 21 Georgetown speech. He’s also been in touch with Michael O’
Hanlon, a senior fellow in foreign-policy studies at the Brookings
Institution. O’Hanlon spoke out in favor of continued " containment " of
Saddam Hussein in February 2001, but came out in support of Bush’s Iraq
policy after the president addressed the United Nations on September 12,
2002. Testifying before the House Armed Services Committee on October 2,
2002, O’Hanlon predicted between 1000 and 5000 American casualties in a war
with Iraq."

[Justitia]

50. O'Hanlon too???? Another PNACer!!!! Ugh, I give up. -eom

[madfloridian]

5. I never heard her sound this activist.

Maybe she is mad about the way Gore's speech is being received by the Democrats. I have gotten irritated with her on TV sometimes. She sounds different tonight.

[otohara]

10. Never - Must Be Cuz She's In Friendly Territory

and not on CNN where she has to act like a moderate or they won't ask her back

[madfloridian]

12. She is really impressing me.

:hi:

[Nlighten1]

7. Democrats told Gore to stop the vote count?

Oh dear, what will the Nader haters say?

[JVS]

18. 90,000 Nader voters made it so that the Democrats couldn't want to count..

votes :eyes:

[noiretextatique]

27. oh please...now nader voters are responsible

for the votes not being counted? pathetic...

[JVS]

29. It was a joke

but I'm sure someone has accused Nader voters of it before

[noiretextatique]

33. sorry...the nader/green complaints are often so ridiculous

clearly i have lost my sense of humor about it all, JVS :hi:

[Media_Lies_Daily]

57. Yes, it was VERY pathetic. All of the deluded Greens thought they were...

...doing the right thing back then to sabotage the 2000 election in favor of Junior. Just ask Nader, their fearless, GOP-funded leader, what he believed his mission was during the 2000 campaign..."to help defeat Al Gore". Then ask Nader who he would have voted for in 2000..."George Bush". Ask him about the money his campaign took from GOP-backers to run anti-Dem ads in the Northwest.

How do the Greens feel now? Do they feel all warm and fuzzy inside knowing that they helped create this mess? Do they feel REALLY good about what they helped create?

But, I'm sure they'll deny the hard truth in this post, just as they have since December 2000. No doubt I'll get slammed for having the nerve to call it like it is instead of going along with any one of a dozen excuses dreamed up by the Greens as to what they DIDN'T have an impact on that election.

[noiretextatique]

65. maybe you should ask republicans and democrats

who actually voted for bush how they feel. i see you are another member of "democrats against democracy" :puke: the same group that caved to bush, inc.

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[AP]

11. I want to know who told him not to fight hard in early November.

Or if that was his own idea.

[BevHarris]

25. Yeppers.

He had it in the palm of his hands the day after the election. He knew. He knew almost immediately about the wholesale disenfranchisement of African Americans. That morning, he should have done the right thing and hollered bloody murder that thousands of African-Americans had been systematically robbed of their vote. That would have stopped things cold, at least for a short while.

Instead he never uttered a peep about robbed black voters until it was nearly over. He knew.

If Gore were the candidate today, I'd vote for him in a hot second, but I've never forgotten that he failed to stand up for the very people who had been robbed of their votes over and over for 130 years.

Bev

[AP]

40. - He told Jesse Jackson to go home.

- He did the opposite of what he was advised by the two smarterst recount lawyers in the country (whose advice he paid to hear) -- they said ask for a state-wide recount immediated. He asked for a recount in only four counties. They told him exactly where he'd find the missing votes. They weren't in the four counties, which allowed the NYT to say month later that he wouldn't have won anyway. But there were enough votes statewide. (The NYT burried the line where the FL SCt justice said they would definitely have ordered a statewide recount if Scalie hadn't told them there wasn't enough time).

- Clinton tried to get messages to Gore to fight...to get people on the streets. Gore pretended he never heard them.

- Greg Palast says that Gore was warned by Wall St: challenge the recount and you'll never sit on a corporate board (which was how Gore's father made most of his money).

[JI7]

42. wasn't it his decision in the end anyways

and i do remember that part about clinton. i always thought it was a bad idea to stay away from clinton also.

[madfloridian]

44. I believe he was pressured not to do that, Bev.

Look at how he is being treated now by the party because he has finally gone against them in many ways.

I remember hearing of this purge only well afterwards. I also know that at first I did not believe it. I could not believe it. It was too much to take in.

No one would have believed him, no one now even believes the party told him to stop the recount. Even though Donna B. said it on air tonight, some still don't believe it.

I believe he might have known about the purged list, but without the party behind him....who would have believed him? We were all in such horrible shock here....the local media was crazy. They would have called him crazy then instead of just after his speech.

I am very proud of his journey away from where he was then, but he has paid dearly.

[AP]

48. Telling him to stop AFTER the 5-4 S.Ct decision isn't exactly going out

on a limb.

The game was over by then.

The mistakes Gore started making on the Wed morning after the election and which continued over the next 6 week sealed Democrats' fate.

I might have told him after the 5-4 vote to give up. But I certainly would have told him to behave very differently over the preceeding 6 weeks.

[madfloridian]

51. It is not just Gore making mistakes. I hate it when people say that.

It most definitely was not.

[Alerter_]

52. I think AP is right about the timing, I have no idea who made the decision

I thought Gore lost when he conceded the night of the elections. I do think if we had all fought a little harder, starting immediately, we could have prevented this disaster. I think soome f the Dem establishment wanted the wars and didn't mind Bush winning.

[Southsideirish]

63. Without the party behind him what could he do alone? It was

obvious from the "get go" that Lieberman was throwing in the towel. I was shocked when I saw how easily he caved. Of course Gore's putting him on the ticket was his biggest mistake.

[AP]

73. He was the party. It was his job to lead. Clinton was raring to go and

deferred to Gore, who wasn't.

Nobody was going out there and fight for a guy who not only didn't seem interested in turning it into a brawl, but who was telling Jakson to go home, and was ignoring the advice on experts on how best to fight a recount battle (skip the first phase (contest?) and go right to the second stage asking for the statewide recount).

[robbedvoter]

72. Robert Reich , for one. Said he should concede 2 days into it

And I remember more voices - but I cannot put names on all. As for the naderista, this thread was not about you. I knoe you are starved for attention, but this is a family affair, so, stick with Grover Norquist or start a new thread about you, you, you!

[madfloridian]

14. She is praising the speech.

Gave her chills. Loved it.

[John_H]

15. That's total bullshit revisionist history. The flawed legal and political

strategy was conceived on the morning of the sixth by people looking at the county and precinct returns (including the anomalies in Palm Beach and Velusia) as the reports of fraud and coercion began to trickle in.

It was a risk-averse decision made by risk-averse people who had run a risk-averse campaign. People on the ground in FL were telling them to recount the whole state, that at the very least counting the whole state would expose all of Jeb's bullshit and put Chimp on the defensive.

The lawyers thought a statewide recount was too complicate legally and the political people apparently couldn't see the logic in saying, "OK, governor let's recount every ballot, using the same standards you signed into law in Texas." Chimp could have either made that agreement and lost or not made that agreement and have his "presidency" questioned by everyone from day one, either one of which was better than the situation that ensued.

The political people only wanted to count the vote in places they thought they'd win despite the fact that it cost them the PR battle from day one, made them look like what Chimpco was. The lawyers, being lawyers, tended to agree.

The DNC pulled the plug after the whole thing was fucked up so bad that losing was a near certainty. My guess was that they'd rather have the supreme court decision as a rallying cry than let the Gore team continue a process that was so fucked up that it was a sure loser.

So, as Donna knows damn well, the DNC was right and she was wrong.

[KAZ]

26. Complete an utter horse shit.

6 of 9 recounts went to Gore. Initial lawsuits were filed by Shrub, or do you forget. Dem suits filed in counties that were easy to win in a court of law. PERIOD! GORE OFFERED A WHOLE STATE RECOUNT! The DNC fucked the country up the ass, and we'll be paying for it for decades.

[LandOLincoln]

32. Absolutely Gore called for the recount of the whole state, and IIRC

he did so within a week of the "election," but of course Bush refused because he knew he'd lose, he knew Jebya could cook the books only so much, and that was that.

One of the things that appalls me now is not the number of Repubs who claim that Gore was too much of a wimp to call for a whole state recount--that's totally to be expected--but the number of DEMS who say the same thing.

I know he did, dammit, I heard him with my own two ears. I'm glad to know I'm not the only one.

What I also remember hearing and seeing--on C-Span of course--were the hearings the NAACP called, also within a week or two of the election. I'll never forget some of that testimony, especially the white woman cop who cried when she recounted some of the outrages she'd witnessed.

Those hearings, and the resulting findings, also vanished without a trace. I don't ever remember the mainstream media ever talking about them at all, then or now.

[John_H]

36. "he did so within a week of the "election,"" is the operative phrase

and "week" is the operative word.

[Alerter_]

38. I've never heard of that either

"I'll never forget some of that testimony, especially the white woman cop who cried when she recounted some of the outrages she'd witnessed."

Is there video of this available?

[LandOLincoln]

41. I would assume so. I haven't looked for it in the C-Span archives,

but it should be there.

on edit: I just Googled "NAACP Hearings 2000 election" and got 8250 results.

[John_H]

35. Gore called for a statewide recount after everyone on the planet

knew we were getting our asses kicked, after a lot of people started talking to reporters about a statewide recount, but, of course, before we all knew the three recounts Gore lost were the ones orginially devised by the Gore advisors.

By the time Gore asked for the recount, Chimp could say fuck you with impunity, and did. The "cherry picking," the sore loserman BS, had taken hold. It was too late.

You are right about one thing: "Dem suits filed in counties that were easy to win in a court of law." And the political strategy followed it.

I know some of us love to hate the DNC, but revising what happened to fit your ideology doesn't work.

[KAZ]

60. Wrong again.

Gore first offered the statewide recount 8 days after the election.

http://www.issues2000.org/Al_Gore_Principles_&_Values.htm
http://www.malaysia.net/lists/sangkancil/2000-11/msg00608.html

[Alerter_]

30. you're right about the strategy

the "selected" recount was a crap idea, we should have demanded a full hand recount of the entire state from day one. Oh wait, we did, and the Democrats turned us down.

I'm not an insider so I'm unsure of which factions were pulling for what.

[KAZ]

31. Gore went on on national TV and asked for a whole state recount.

Our side played fair. Our motto should be "never again".

[John_H]

37. Our side played safe. Our motto should be "never again" n/t

[LandOLincoln]

39. So Dubya was a Dem back then? Who knew....

What exactly do you mean, "the Democrats turned us down??"

[Alerter_]

54. I'll explain

the "Democrats" refer to the Democratic party leaders that did not fight for Gore. "Us" refers to rank and file Democrats who wanted to fight.

[troublemaker]

16. Hey, let's not let Joementum Lieberman off the hook

When Mr. Loyalty undercut Gore's position on the recounts it was all over. (To me that was so horrible that his recent Republican conversion didn't seem at all out of character.)

[Alerter_]

19. pro-war Dems threw the election to get PNAC

it's becoming more obvious every day. Not just the DLC, but some old-time Democrats in the DNC as well.

[John_H]

21. this is funny.

[Alerter_]

24. I'm a comedian

ha ha!

[John_H]

20. This is true.

[Cronus Protagonist]

23. I must have missed his Republican conversion

I could have sworn he's been a Republican mole ever since Sharon came to power.

Click here for "HERO KERRY ZERO BUSH", "VETERAN KERRY AWOL BUSH" and other fair and balanced yet stunning, insulting, shocking, funny buttons, magnets and stickers

[mzmolly]

28. What show is she on?!

:)

[madfloridian]

45. She was on the Majority Report.

They often replay on week-ends. Check out the blog at www.airamericaradio.com

[doubles]

46. Phucque Donna Brazil, I can't stand that so called strategist!

[madfloridian]

49. She sounded quite different tonight.

I have had my issues with her as well. She was quite powerful tonight.

[President Jesus]

53. Amen. Her strategy led a strong candidate into a tie with a retard -nt

[keithyboy]

55. Actually, her strategy won the election for Gore; he wasn't smart enough

to collect it. In the end he listened to establishment Dems.

[in_cog_ni_to]

56. I think Gore would have won in a LANDSLIDE

had he asked Clinton to campaign for him. He fucked up in that respect. Clinton was STILL polling high numbers when he left the WH...Gore should have used him. He would have won so big there would have been NO QUESTION who won that election. It would not have come down to a recount in the chimp's brothers state. He should have used Clinton and chose not to. Big mistake. IMCPO

[Media_Lies_Daily]

58. It was a COUP, keithyboy. Gore was more than smart enough to...

...realize there was NOTHING he could have done to change that rigged result. The NeoCons had control of Congress, the Executive Branch, the Judiciary, the military by way of the Pentagon civilian brass, and the mainstream press.

Anyone who believes that the Coup of December 2000 could have been reversed by Gore continuing to struggle against it is just not facing facts.

[noiretextatique]

66. unfortunately...you can't prove your assertion

since the democrats (with the exception of the CBC) didn't even attempt to challenge the coup. nothing would have ever happened with civil rights, for example, in this country if people simply chose to do nothing when faced with seemingly insurmountable odds.

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[Southsideirish]

61. I could tell something was wrong -the party just wasn't behind him.

[donsu]

64. Donna loves Rove - thinks he's peachy wonderful

I wouldn't give Donna Brazil the time of day

[madfloridian]

70. That is not what she said.

Please be honest about it.

[robbedvoter]

71. Maybe not last night. It;s Donna who needs to be honest:

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/02/21/politics/21BRAZ.html?ei=5062&en=3e195a743382c294&ex=104649 4800&partner=GOOGLE&pagewanted=print&position=top
February 21, 2003
Frustrated Democrat Makes Friends in G.O.P.
By KATHARINE Q. SEELYE
ASHINGTON -- Two years ago, Donna Brazile, then Al Gore's
campaign manager, was
engaged in daily combat with Karl Rove, then George W. Bush's
top campaign strategist.
Today, they chirpily exchange e-mail, chat on the phone and write
letters, indulging in their shared
zeal for the inner workings of politics.
"I like her a lot," said Mr. Rove, now ensconced in the West Wing as
President Bush's chief political

Let's remember, she badmouthed Gore as well when she thought the wind blew that way.

Edited to add working link
http://Blog.forclark.com/story/2004/2/6/18350/27652

[PaDUer]

75. Absolutely right...

Donna sings both ways...Don't pay attention to her..she's a traitor.