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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-03 02:24 PM
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Damn! Read this Thielmann article from 'Arms Control Today'
Very dense, but very very revealing. Thielmann is a serious, serious dude.

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Rumsfeld Reprise? The Missile Report That Foretold the Iraq Intelligence Controversy

Greg Thielmann

http://www.armscontrol.org/act/2003_07-08/thielmann_julaug03.asp

In recent weeks, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld has come under fire for his part in the Bush administration’s misuse of U.S. intelligence to justify the U.S. invasion of Iraq. But Rumsfeld’s tendency to hype selective portions of intelligence that support his policy goals was already familiar to intelligence professionals. They remember his chairmanship of a 1998 congressionally chartered commission charged with evaluating the nature and magnitude of the ballistic missile threat to the United States. As with Iraq, Rumsfeld’s work on ballistic missiles often ignored the carefully considered views of such professionals in favor of highly unlikely worst-case scenarios that posited an imminent threat to the United States and prompted a military, rather than diplomatic, response. Just as is likely to be the case with Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction (WMD), time has proven Rumsfeld’s predictions dead wrong.

The “Report of the Commission to Assess the Ballistic Missile Threat to the United States,” chaired by Rumsfeld and released in July 1998, was one of the most influential congressionally mandated reports in recent memory. The presentation of the Rumsfeld Commission report and the unexpected attempt by North Korea to launch a satellite one month later combined to create a political tidal wave that ultimately engulfed one of the most successful arms control treaties in history, the Anti-Ballistic Missile (ABM) Treaty. The report also led to massive increases in spending on defenses against ICBMs rather than on domestic spending, other defense priorities, or more urgent defenses against short- and medium-range missiles. Because the Rumsfeld report had such a significant impact on U.S. foreign and defense policy, it is worth checking the report’s predictions against current realities.

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Such a unanimous conclusion about the future by nine prominent experts (Rumsfeld, Dr. Barry M. Blechman, General Lee Butler, Dr. Richard L. Garwin, Dr. William R. Graham, Dr. William Schneider Jr., General Larry Welch, Dr. Paul Wolfowitz, and The Honorable R. James Woolsey) was hard to challenge at the time, particularly after North Korea appeared to underscore their findings with the flight of a three-stage Taepo Dong-1 space launch vehicle on August 31, 1998.

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The end result of both the Rumsfeld Commission report and subsequent intelligence estimates was to distract their consumers from the most serious security threats to the nation, leading to misallocation of resources, America’s estrangement from its allies, and a weakening of the nation’s deterrent. With five years’ hindsight, it is apparent that the impact of the Rumsfeld report were policies that actually worsened the security problems facing the nation. Now, in the aftermath of a war propelled by dubious threat assessments from the Rumsfeld/Wolfowitz Pentagon, it is difficult to avoid being overcome by a powerful sense of déjà vu.

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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 11:42 PM
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1. Did you see Julian Borger's article in the Guardian today?
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Nottingham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 11:56 PM
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2. Hey Guys fascinating piece! Got a question?
I just posted a Latest Breaking News story

http://feeds.bignewsnetwork.com/?sid=6e9d5502599dc6a2

It talks about Cheney but it implies Rummsfeld too. This article kinda shows that the CIA and Pentagon are fighting back you can say

I posted it and Dr.B told us it was false and the sources have been
discredited or false. e said it was in the Capitol Blue news article

I kinda was bumming cause I thought the paper trail was leading somewhere but then I thought well why would Big News Network post it for today's news if it was false! and then someone posted an exact article all most from Alternet on June 30th
alternet is pretty good with ther stories. That Big News posted it is Big News.

I personally think the story is true and Cheney put the pressure on Capitol Blue.


So can ya all give me your insight I appreciate it

if ya want you can email me

I'm just interested in the truth:bounce:
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-03 12:00 AM
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3. Your story is by Ray McGovern
Will interviewed him for Truthout a couple of weeks ago. He's a credible source.

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Nottingham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-03 12:22 AM
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4. OMG!!! Give you a High Five! Burt Worm! Whew!
I'm being challenged over at the Latest Breaking News that the article from Big News is not credible. Unless I'm misinterpreting my fello Duers.

Thank you Thank you!! :bounce:
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-03 12:22 AM
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5. people are getting confused
The article you cite: Cheney Investigated Forged Niger Uranuium Document has nothing to do with the Capitol Hill Blue story that has been retracted.

People are getting this fraudulent guy Wilkinson mixed up with the very real Wilson.
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lkinsale Donating Member (662 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-03 12:25 AM
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6. Paranoia
Hmmm...Wilson, Wilkinson...I'm not prone to conspiracy theories, but it does make you wonder. So easy to confuse them in the minds of the public.
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Must_B_Free Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-03 12:30 AM
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8. I tried explaining it to my wife
but it was too confusing...

Wasn't the vollyball head in that Tom Hanks movie named Wilkinson? Castaway?
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Nottingham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-03 12:26 AM
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7. Well Grasswire is this a accident or is this deliberate
It takes away from the real news!

:bounce:

I think people are touchy because Cheney's name is all over that article.

But thanks guys! My suggestion is somebody needs to clear this shit up!

Unfortunately I'm not to bright so somebody brighter needs to do it!

I can't spell Uranium right!! LOL!!!

Ya get my drift at the trouble I was getting for putting out a credible source!

Will! Honey I feel for ya!!

:bounce:
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Nottingham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-03 12:35 AM
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9. Thanks a mill Grasswire! 1000 apologies I was confused!
Sorry Sorry Sorry!

backs out of thread sorry!

I was confused but in my defense you can see the confusion!

:bounce:

Isn't this what Bush wants Chaos:bounce:
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-03 12:38 AM
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10. Jesus, Will! If I had all that shit in my brain, I'd stay drunk forever!
BTW: I still owe you a beer at that joint near the theatre district. You know! We talked about it in late 2001! Half block from the Tremont. On the corner.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-03 09:44 AM
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13. Damn straight you do
:)
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Nottingham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-03 12:48 AM
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11. What if we got Thielman,McGovern, and Wilson together!
:bounce: that would be kewl! :bounce:

I hope Congress thinks about that idea
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-03 08:41 AM
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12. Damn I left here too early last night
They are trying very hard too confuse us all, aren't they?

and yes Nottingham I've been in dreamland for the last 2 years when oh when can I wake up!
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-03 10:32 AM
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14. One last kick n/t
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CWebster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-03 10:38 AM
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15. pathological liar
He should be imprisoned as a threat to national security.
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