200 passengers got lost on 9/11 - at Cleveland Airport

[Woody Box]

http://inn.globalfreepress.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=323

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

1. See, the only problem with this story...

...is that flight 93 crashed in Pennsylvania. And I know people who lost family members on board, including the co-pilot. And there are phone records of what happened.

It sounds like United made a mistake and thought it was their lost plane, which seems fairly understandable, given the total chaos in US airspace that went on. Grounding every flight in US airspace isn't a simple matter, and there was a lot of confusion, even out here in SF. People thinking planes had landed when they hadn't, etc.

[Bunny]

2. Yeah, I didn't read the posted link, but there was a LOT of

confusion that day. Reports that 4-5 more planes were still missing, after the plane crashed in PA. My family lives less than an hour away from where 93 crashed, so naturally I was pretty frantic for a while. It was very hectic that morning, lots of misinformation.

[gandalf]

3. "phone records of what happened"? What do you mean?

how do you know that flight 93 crashed in PA? Because Bush said so? OK, if Bush has a high credibility for you, I can accept that.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

4. So what did crash in PA?

Personal effects were recovered from the crash. The plane had markings. Dental records were identified for remains.

Edit: regarding phone conversations...


From a reuters story


Several passengers managed to telephone people on the ground to report the hijacking. Accounts described
three hijackers claiming to have a bomb and a plan by passengers to overpower them. There were also
reports that one man heard an explosion.

If they are going to take the plane down, then we are going to have to do something,'' Deena Burnett of San
Ramon, California, quoted her husband as saying during a cellular phone conversation moments before
the crash.

http://www.september11news.com/Flight93.htm

[gandalf]

9. But...

these phone records don't prove exactly what happened, as you wrote. They could prove that the plane was hijacked, but not where and how it went down.

Were there really "dental records ... identified for remains"? I am only aware of DNA analyses, because of the bodies so little was left that dental records would not have helped.

The Identififaction was done by the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology (which normally identifies soldiers). However, it was not able to positively identify the terrorists. Why not? Would it not have been possible to recover DNA pieces from their flats, hotel rooms, cars, etc.?

edited for spelling.

[stickdog]

11. Deena Burnett also reported that her husband told her that one of

the hijackers had a gun.

http://www.kstp.com/article/view/119157/

6:27 a.m. (9:27 EDT) cell phone call:
Deena: Hello
Tom: Deena
Deena: Tom, are you O.K.?
Tom: No, I'm not. I'm on an airplane that has been hijacked.
Deena: hijacked?
Tom: Yes, They just knifed a guy.
Deena: A passenger?
Tom: Yes.
Deena: Where are you? Are you in the air?
Tom: Yes, yes, just listen. Our airplane has been hijacked. It's United Flight 93 from Newark to San Francisco. We are in the air. The hijackers have already knifed a guy, one of them has a gun, they are telling us there is a bomb on board, please call the authorities.

Funny that you don't mention that.

[gandalf]

8. That is not the "problem" of the article

because it discusses discrepancies regarding the Cleveland Hopkins Airport on 9/11. Did you read the article?

[stickdog]

10. Why wasn't Flight 93 ever intercepted?

And what about the three minute gap between the end of the cockpit voice recording (10:03 EDT) and the time the seismic measurements prove something hit (or exploded on) the ground (10:06 EDT)?

[frylock]

5. flight 93 was a shoot-down, as the secondary debris field would support

[Woody Box]

6. The article is NOT about flight 93

it ist about two emergency landings in cleveland never recognized by anybody.

It's just a possibility that one of these planes was flight 93. This is just one uncorroborated source.

But there were two planes in emergency in Cleveland. This is fact, confirmed by the many sources quoted in the text.

We've never heard of the 200 passengers of flight X anymore. What happened to them?

[gandalf]

7. Some quotes from the article

(source: cf original post)

Inmidst the chaos breaking out in the hours after the WTC and Pentagon attacks, between 10 a.m. and 11 a.m an airplane made an emergency landing at Cleveland Hopkins Airport . Rumours were going around that it was hijacked or had a bomb on board. The FBI evacuated the plane and searched it with bomb-sniffing dogs after the passengers had left. It turned out to be false alarm. The plane - Delta flight1989 - was not hijacked, and there was no bomb.

However, a closer examination reveals a bunch of conflicting statements concerning Delta 1989. Neither the moment of landing, nor the number of the passengers, nor the location of the grounded plane is clear. For every aspect of the incident there are two different versions. Not one or three or four versions, but two.

This article will prove that not one, but two planes made an emergency landing in Cleveland - in close succession. The proof is based on local newspaper and radio reports from September 11th and 12th (mainly from the Akron Beacon Journal and the Cleveland Plain Dealer), statements of eyewitnesses and internet postings in the morning of 9/11 (people were listening to the radio and immediately submitted the breaking news to the net). One of the flights was indeed Delta 1989. We don't know the identity of the other one, so we call it "Flight X"...

We start with a short summary of the events in Cleveland. At 10 a.m., the airport was evacuated. Without doubt, this had to do with the rumours that a hijacked plane was going to land. The passengers had to leave the airport but were not allowed to take their car. They had to walk or got a ride at the highway. Busses were not allowed to leave the airport. People around the airport were told to go home. It was a very tense situation. These facts are undisputed.

[AntiCoup2K4]

12. So,let me see if I'm interpreting this correctly...

There was a "mystery plane" with 200 passengers on it, which flew into Cleveland, these 200 people were taken to some NASA center and then disappeared?

Wasn't the approximate total of passengers between the 2 WTC planes & the Pentagon plane around 200 passengers?? Remember, this was a Tuesday morning in September, so an airplane packed to capacity would be highly unlikely.

I remember a tinfoil hat oriented conspiracy page that suggested all the planes landed at some north east air force base first and unloaded all the passengers, then proceeded to their firey fate. I thought that sounded beyond ludicrous at the time, but now it's starting to make more sense with an unlikely plane full of people vanishing.

So where are they. Still in Cleveland? Gitmo? Some top secret underground facility? And if we found the list of names, would they match the passenger lists of the people we thought crashed into buildings.

Yeah, it's deep deep tinfoil territory. But keep in mind that so much of the official story of these events come from proven liars like Ted Olson (whose wife may or may not have died in the event) or Stepford Freeper wife Lisa Beamer, who I believe was a willing pawn in spreading the complete fiction that Flight 93 was brought down "heroically" rather than blasted out of the sky, as eyewitnesses have said.

**Off to buy some Reynolds heavy duty :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: **