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cal04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-04 08:02 PM
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Democrats call in Clinton to rescue Kerry's campaign
Candidate's advisers invite former president to bolster senator's lacklustre White House bid. Julian Coman reports from Washington
Top advisers to the Democratic presidential candidate, John Kerry, have asked Bill Clinton to play a starring role in the final months of the Massachusetts senator's campaign.

Although polls indicate that President Bush is suffering from the fall-out of the Abu Ghraib prison scandal and the on-going insurgency in Iraq, Mr Kerry has been criticised for failing to impose himself on the presidential race. His dry manner is also worrying Democrat supporters.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/05/30/wkerry30.xml
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-04 08:03 PM
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1. shitty ass right wing paper
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happyending Donating Member (294 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-04 08:04 PM
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2. Kerry's campaign
is going just fine, thank you.
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pearl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-04 08:08 PM
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Yes he is
And, I'm glad to see Bill is on the case too. BC is a brillant
political strategist. And, it also has a ring of additional unity
amoung our party. I say every bit helps. :bounce:
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DaveSZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-04 08:08 PM
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4. Bleh
Fucking Torygraph
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Vitruvius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-04 08:11 PM
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5. And calling in Clinton to help is a smart move by Kerry.
I wish Gore had done the same in 2000.
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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-04 08:05 PM
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3. What? rescue? Help may be, but why use the word RESCUE? jerks.n/t
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RobertSeattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-04 08:16 PM
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6. Yeah whatever. Republicans should ask Clinton to rescue Bush's campaign
It's Bush's campaign that is failing, not Clintons.

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dae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-04 08:16 PM
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7. At this stage, I don't think it's Kerry's a$$ that needs bailing out.
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lanparty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 03:04 PM
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31. I don't

Bush is sinking like a stone.

I do NOT thinking that Clinton should be stumping for Kerry so much as he would be railing against Bush and how he's fucked up this nation. If they deploy him STRATEGICALLY in Urban areas Mid-South and Florida, he could swing some states that went for Bush in 2000.

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jjmalonejr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-04 08:22 PM
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8. Democrats call in Clinton to REINFORCE Kerry's campaign
Kerry knows a thing or two about fighting a battle.
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Pepperbelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-04 08:22 PM
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9. more repetition of the s.o.s. Kerry not capitalizing ... yawn ...
:eyes:
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liarliartieonfire Donating Member (448 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-04 08:28 PM
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10. Apparantly you've never taken a moment to listen to Sen. Kerry.
Edited on Sat May-29-04 08:33 PM by liarliartieonfire
letter back to the editor:

"I realize you GOPubes are in a desperate state of pretense, in not wanting to admit that the man you're all claiming to be the god-n-leader of America, nazi freak bush, is one giant down-the-toilet-fascist wanna be..he's not even doing THAT right.

What did you expect, electing a ner do well like fry-brain george. He has done NOTHING remarkable for the Nation nor the World.
George is a murderer. He is a killer of human beings. He is not a Christian, he's not anything but a souless, gutless, chickenshit from the drug 'n booze side of the eternally fucked up, mis-breds of the world.
Have you traced his past? His family lineage? His association with past and present scavengers of the human race?
Until you do so, I would request that before you try to appeal to wiser minds you do your research, especially when it comes to telling us that John Kerry is in need of propping up by Bill Clinton.

Senator Kerry is enormously popular..more so World Wide than your boy george. He is bright, experienced and ARTICULATE.

Trust us when we say..President Bill Clinton is an a welcome and added bonus to the Kerry Campaign, not a necessity.

Bush has no one, other than the liars, thieves and murderers that surround and shelter his sorry lying ass from the rest of the world.'
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Betty The Younger Donating Member (63 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-04 09:13 PM
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11. Touché! nt
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-04 09:21 PM
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12. I dont suppose its worth telling you ...
The Daily Telegraph is a Hollinger paper, of which Richard Perle is DIRECTLY associated ....

Hmmmmm: .. Bush sinks in the polls: Kerry rises: and he is a failure ? ...

Hardly: .... BUT:

BUT: ....

EVERY Democrat, Bill Clinton, or Jim Q. Democrat SHOULD do what they can to help Kerry ... as we should as well ..
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leftistagitator Donating Member (701 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-04 10:16 PM
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13. How do you rescue a campaign that already has an 8 point lead?
Especially considering he leads in all the battleground states, has built a massive warchest, and hasn't even picked a vp yet. I know the right is trying to bolster their confidence, but this is just sad.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-04 10:18 PM
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14. Telegraph is a right wing rag. Pay it no mind.
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-04 10:40 PM
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15. They have only themselves to blame
Mr. Excitement was THEIR pick (with the help of the DLC), not the people's pick. They can live with it. Bah.
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kiahzero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-04 10:48 PM
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18. How many extra votes does the DLC get in each primary, exactly?
I'm curious, because if "Mr. Excitement" was the pick of the DLC, rather than of the people, obviously the DLC must get some sort of extra say in the primaries.

So, where (besides the superdelegates, which don't matter, because Kerry has enough normal delegates to get the nomination) does the DLC get this extra power over the people?

Enlighten me.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-04 10:54 PM
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20. i'm not dlc and i voted for Kerry
there seems to be a sense among some that certain peoples votes or votes for certian candidates are worth more than those for another candidate.

at least kerry knows all votes are worth the same and that's why he reaches out to those who would not normally agree with him on the issues.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 11:33 AM
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23. HAHAHAH...You actually BELIEVE this rightwing spin
from a rightwing rag?

OMG...How pathetic. This shit is spewed to keep the left divided and scared. Thanks for playing the wingnut game with them. They really have your best interest in mind.

Sheesh.

Buy someone for what they know and then sell them for what they THINK they know.
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jjmalonejr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 01:31 PM
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27. Nice theory...
...except for all the actual VOTES that actual PEOPLE cast for Kerry.

How is he not the people's pick again?
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 02:17 PM
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29. They will have to live
w/the snooze camapign that it is.

How does one get the votes from the swing voters/Independents?

They give them a reason to vote.

So far all the reason I have seen is - Kerry is not whistle ass.

I find myself in a most particular spot this election year.

* I am living in a swing state.

* I am now an Independent.

What to do, what to do...
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kiahzero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-04 10:43 PM
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16. Rescue it from what, exactly?
What threat is facing the Kerry campaign that it needs to be rescued from?
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Brian_Expat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 12:09 PM
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26. Rescue Democrats from the challenges that come. . .
. . . with cleaning up the GOP mess after winning a tremendous victory in November, of course! :)
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-04 10:46 PM
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-04 10:51 PM
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19.  Noise Machine at work again.
This is part of the Hollinger/Black group last I heard. About equal to Murdoch in truth-telling.
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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-04 11:06 PM
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21. Well, the Failed Kerry Presidency stories are embargoed until late Nov.
Gotta make do with the Failed Kerry Campaign stories for now, get some papers sold. Baby needs new shoes.

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welshTerrier2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-04 11:23 PM
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22. The Sound of One Hand Clapping
there is a famous zen coan that asks the question "what is the sound of one hand clapping" ...

in the campaign, bush is the sound of one hand clapping ... he can do nothing but acknowledge his devastating failures ... i like to answer the zen coan by picturing bush repeatedly smacking the palm of his hand against his forehead ...

his economic policies have left the poor much poorer and have left millions without jobs ... is the economy "recovering"?? not for most people ... perhaps for corporate profiteers ... on the economy, the real story is the loss of jobs ... and record budget deficits ...

and foreign policy? what can bush proudly point to? his record is one of destroying alliances with allies across the globe ... the U.S. is now "bush's bullies" ... his Iraq policy has cost tens of thousands of lives and hundreds of billions of dollars ...

it seems to me that Kerry's rope-a-dope campaign strategy has been highly effective ... when your opponent is driving over a cliff, what point is there in trying to prove that you can drive faster ...

DU policy states that you should not post right wing arguments unless you express your opinion about them ... Kerry's campaign has been anything but "lacklustre" ... if i were a republican, i would be trying to paint Kerry as dull and out of touch ... the truth is he is neither ...

Kerry's campaign thus far has been almost perfectly executed ... Kerry has waged a highly disciplined and very "presidential" campaign ... he has articulated a very clear difference between his foreign policy views and bush's ... of course, if you listen to right wing media, you would think the opposite is true ... it isn't ...

if you want to make critical comments about Kerry's "campaign style", back it up with some facts ...the truth is he's been making steady gains not just in the swing states but also in states where he previously hadn't been given much chance of being competitive ... and one last point, it is also a favorite right wing trick to focus on style over substance ... Kerry has been articulating a clear vision for how he thinks the country can recover from the damage of the bush years ...

look at the broad sweeping conclusion based on an unattributed source the author used in the article you selected:

Mr Kerry has been criticised for failing to impose himself on the presidential race. His dry manner is also worrying Democrat supporters.

"I've never heard him tell a joke," said one campaign worker at a Kerry fund-raising party last week.

"I've never seen him look as if he was genuinely enjoying himself. He just needs to come across as more human.


notice the author says Kerry's "dry manner" is worrying Democrat supporters ... supporters, plural ... the author then supports his assessment of how Democrats (plural) feel about Kerry by quoting one unnamed campaign worker ... what is worrying "Democrat supporters" is the nightmare we would face if bush wins the election ... what is worrying "Democrat supporters" is whether bush's budget deficits will destroy this country for generations to come ... what is worrying "Democrat supporters" is whether we will face a holy war against Islam because of the horrible things bush has done around the globe ... what is worrying "Democrat supporters" is bush's gutting of social programs for the poor, environmental regulations, giveaways to the oil industry and pharmaceutical corporations and the restrictions on civil liberties ... and that's just the short list ...

no, my friend, Kerry's "dry manner" is not an issue with "Democrat supporters" ... we have real fish to fry around here ...
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 11:35 AM
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24. Clue phone: "Democrat supporters"
Dead give-away.
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Brian_Expat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 12:01 PM
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25. The Telegraph is a Murdoch rag
Edited on Sun May-30-04 12:02 PM by Brian_Expat
It's the British equivalent of the Washington Times.

Pay it no more heed than you would a Washington Times article.

Want a further hint as to their nuttiness? Take a look at the links to the upper right of the article -- the Kerry campaign and "The Democrat Party." :eyes:
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Monkey see Monkey Do Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 02:20 PM
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30. Not Murdoch -- Hollinger (ex Conrad Black)
but equally vile & reich wing nevertheless.
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babzilla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 02:07 PM
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28. but, but...
last week the story was that Clinton's memoir was going to overshadow and distract from the Kerry campaign.

How do you solve a problem like a competent democratic ex-president? Tune in next week.
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