John Ashcroft, Mr. Zero-Credibility, is lying to you right now...

[RBHam]

Are you going to take this fear mongering? This subtle conditioning for the next terrorist attack?

Consider this - all this so-called "information" has been compiled with the use of torture. Which means that NONE of it has any credibility. ZERO. NADA. ZILCH.

What they HAVE done is forced false confessions and coerced false testimony of innocent men.

Sadly, the American people are going to buy it.

You can bet the next terrorist attack is coming (or as I like to call it the BFEE's "coup de drace") - especially seeing how George W Bush is in such political trouble. But Junior can always count on his good buddy Osama bin Laden to ride to the rescue!

WHEN WILL YOU PEOPLE WAKE UP!

You are ONE terrorist attack away from Martial Law being declared and all your democratic traditions being ripped away.
You are ONE terrorist attack away from witnessing your country initiate the true beginnings of a World Wide Religious War.

Now that it is more apparent than ever that the 9-11 cover up has succeeded in its aim of fooling the American people into believing that the "official coincidence theory" is writ in stone, there's no hope left.

You are doomed. You had your chance, but not enough of you supported those of us who were raising the uncomfortable questions about 9-11.
BEFORE the mid term elections we were screaming that 9-11 was the key issue - that if Bush was allowed to use 9-11 for his own political benefit, then the Democrats were dust. Damn the issues of the economy, health care or campaign finance reform.

But you wouldn't listen then. You're not listening now.
And soon, there'll be a law against it.

[lil-petunia]

1. oh no

"When we decide it is in the best interest of the American People to learn of the precise nature of the threat, we will alert the population."

I swear that is what he said. Given his trck record, ohmygawd.

[notadmblnd]

2. I hope you posted this in Freeperville....

because here, you're just preaching to the choir.

[RBHam]

9. Not really - MOST DUers believe the Big Lie

Trust me, I've been posting here since 2002. There's always a healthy representation of Imperial American apologists. It doesn't matter how often the Bushies have been caught in lies, they just refuse to admit the following. The very same people who benefitted the most from 9-11 are exactly the same people who helped create the terrorist network that has helped the Far Right achieve their greatest Wet Dream. A perpetual war for perpetual profit.

[notadmblnd]

16. I agree there are as many Freepers posing as Dems

here as there are in the misadministration. But on the whole, I think most of us here, know the truth.

[Bluebear]

3. Justification for stopping RNC convention protests in NYC.

You know it. I know it.

[Warpy]

18. Nah, not this time

They're just trying to scare the wits out of the witless to take the heat of their blundering, bungling, and turning this country into the world's pariah. Notice that they kept yammering about memorizing those faces (odd how they always seem to travel in 7s), but didn't show the damn pictures. Can anyone say "composites?"

This stuff is pathetic. They've gotta do better by September

[nostamj]

4. this is part of the SET-UP

for brave bunnypants to THWART some big-time TERROR... the ONLY thing he has left that might save his stinking ass

the set-up

[aquart]

5. Could well be.

But they'll botch it.

[mmm]

8. Brute force and ignorance make for very ugly bed fellows

We will see it all unfold before us like watching a slow motion
train wreck. There will be inconsistencies and atrocities
and monstrosities for all to see. But Americans will not care about any of that. Same as now. I am afraid that all the pieces
are in place.

[Rebel_with_a_cause]

6. Watch out for Canadians, men traveling w/childen, Africans,

Africans w/US passports, anybody who's Muslim or appears to be one...

No wonder US tourism is down 30%. After this pronouncement of doom and gloom, Bush has guaranteed a loss of the Florida vote for sure.

[RBHam]

12. BushCo owns Florida

The state passed a bill ensuring that Black Box Voting machines will be installed state wide. No paper trail. One computer programmer can swing the vote.

But other states are peskily refusing these new modern Fascist vote negaters.

Hell, if Bush Co could get BBV's in enough of the states, they wouldn't have to stage another terror attack.

But then again, I think they get a kick out of it. Maybe Bush can make another "trifecta" joke.

[markdd]

7. Hmmm, Fear and Lothing in America

* Cheney '04?

[TreasonousBastard]

10. I heard his "credible threats" bullshit...

the same bullshit we've been hearing for three years. Fearmongering to show us they're doing something when it's all smoke and mirrors because they don't know what to do, except bully and frighten us into submission.

So, precisely what the fuck am I supposed to do about it? Just hide behind the couch and worry myself to death?

These guys are paid to deal with those threats, and three years later we're still being threatened?

We blasted Afghanistan to rubble, and deposed Saddam. Coupla hundred billion bucks, thousands in detention or killed, and we're still threatened?

Ashcroft has simply admitted that he and the rest of that crowd of asswipes is absolutely and completely incompetent to run this show.

[King_Crimson]

11. I really...really...really understand where you are coming from...

RBHam, having exploded myself just last week in this very forum. But I ask you...and any other member of this board...WHAT THE FUCK DO WE DO TO STOP THESE BASTARDS?? Do we start arming ourselves? Do we start forming our own militias? JUST WHAT...FOR CHRIST SAKES??? I know I'm NOT gonna sit around and have my rights stolen from me, or tolerate having Fascism take completely over my country! What do I mean by "COMPLETELY"? Well friends...I'd guess we are about 70-75% infected with it RIGHT NOW!! We need to formulate a safeguard to this virus which has infected our society...and be ready to unleash it if...and when...the time comes, and I fear the time is already very near!!

[RBHam]

15. Information is our only weapon. The pen is mightier...

Unfortunately, the Corporate Pravdda media are complicit with BushCo in the current climate of fear. They get paid real well if they swallow BushCo propaganda as the gospel truth.

My advice to Americans. Leave. Right now. Emigrate to any other western country that you can - BEFORE they close the borders.
Then, like the Free French during WW II you can work from the outside to free your countrymen from the bonds of Fascism.

[BeHereNow]

17. I hear you LOUD and CLEAR RB!

The writing is on the wall.
I have plans to travel to NZ in November-
I want out! NOW!
I only hope November is not too late.

BHN

[King_Crimson]

20. "Credible intelligence...from"Multiple Sources"...

says Asscrust! Why do people not see through that facade?
AND...I don't feel the need yet to run from these bastards! How many western countries are there anyway whose leaders don't walk in lock-step with this bunch of malcontents out of fear themselves? No...we should not run, but stand up to them and that takes being organized and prepared. There are PLENTY of ex-military of which I am one having served in the USAF from 1971-1977, who feel the way that I do! No...we should fight them in the streets and wherever necessary! Abandoning this once great country is not the answer! Bring 'em on! :mad::grr::mad::grr::mad::grr::mad:

[RBHam]

22. They've been training the domestic police as storm troopers...

Fort this very purpose. They have the weapons and technology, you don't stand a chance. Plus, the Right Wing Crazies on the radio will call out their Brownshirts to help the State "cleanse" the nation of all those "terrorist sympathizers on the left".

It may be better to realize that retreat is the better part of valor - and that it is a noble strategy : Living to fight another day.

[NoPasaran]

13. Neither threat nor thwarting shall there be

This is just the standard ratcheting up of the fear level we get for every holiday. They're laying it it pretty thick because today to cover up the fact that nobody but nobody bought into Busholini's bold new plan of the same old crap that he wheeled out Monday night.

[truthspeaker]

14. what a downer

[RainDog]

19. Why is it ridiculous to assume there are terrorists?

Why is it NOT ridiculous to assume that the people who have shown gross incompetence in handling the situation in Iraq were able to finesse a HUGE conspiracy?

I have no doubt that the Bush junta manipulates us with terror threats, and they are scared that an attack will occur during a holiday, so they always issue big warnings then (this time they are not using an orange alert...this is a non-orange orange alert.)

it's CYA for them. And they now are also including the idea that a vote for Kerry, in the case of an attack, is a vote for terrorists...which is bullshit, since Bush has fulfilled Osama's wishes and recruited more Al Q. by his actions than anyone in the last three years.

I wonder about complicity in many things, but I do not have absolute proof of the same. For this reason, it makes me just as uncomfortable for people to absolutely assume that the Bush junta is in league with Al Q as it does for a Republican to equate a vote for Kerry with sympathy for terrorist goals.

Can't you appreciate that such dogmatism undermines your arguments for some people? I've been here for a long time, and I'm familiar with Paul's wonderful work, and many other questions, so please don't tell me to wake up.

I've been telling people about the Bush lies since he stole the election (actually even before that...when he was governor.)

I have plenty of unanswered questions, but I how can you or anyone else claim to know the absolute truth about the current question of terrorism around the world?

Isn't it highly likely that, after training the mujahadeen, they turned on the hawks? That this policy is the problem, not that the Bush junta is now pulling all the terrorists' strings?

btw, I would love to emigrate from America...does someone have a job for me?

[RBHam]

21. Timing...

Everytime...EVERYtime, that Bush's poll numbers go down or is in some other political crisis, an Osama bin laden tape is sent out to remind the sheeple that the EVIL boogeyman is still out there, waiting to suck the blood of Christians and Jews alike!

"In politics, nothing occurs by chance. if something happens, you can be sure it was planned that way."
-FDR

Thinking Unthinkable Thoughts
Theologian Charges White House
Complicity in 9/11 Attack
by Nick Welsh

There’s nothing the least bit wild-eyed or hysterical about David Ray Griffin. In person, he’s disarmingly calm, and speaks in the unflappably precise and deliberate style of a lifelong academic. Which is exactly what Griffin is. A respected philosopher of religion at the Claremont School of Theology since the 1970s and longtime Santa Barbara resident, Griffin is now raising questions that even President Bush’s harshest critics are afraid to think, let alone ask aloud.
In his latest book, The New Pearl Harbor — released just two weeks ago — Griffin all but accuses the Bush administration of taking a dive on September 11 and giving Al Qaeda terrorists an unobstructed shot at the World Trade Center. According to Griffin, a case can be made that the Bush administration arranged the attack, or allowed it to happen. He is aware that he may be dismissed as a conspiracy nut, but given the “transcendent importance” of the issue, Griffin is willing to assume that risk and has taken to repeating Michael Moore’s line on the subject: “Personally, I’m not into conspiracy theories except those that are true.” I met with Griffin over coffee to discuss his book and the September 11 investigation. The following is an edited account of their conversation.

http://independent.com/news/news906.htm

[RBHam]

23. More “Washington whispers” about possible pre-election terrorist attack

More “Washington whispers” about possible pre-election terrorist attack

By Joseph Kay
25 May 2004

Two more pieces published in the press in recent days point to a continuing discussion within the political elite in the US about the electoral consequences of a pre-election terrorist attack. Top officials and analysts speak as if an attack were probable if not certain, and indicate the major concern in Washington is how such an attack would affect the outcome of the elections.

In the “Washington Whispers” section of this week’s US News & World Report, columnist Paul Bedard reports: “White House officials say they’ve got a ‘working premise’ about terrorism and the presidential election: It’s going to happen.” Bedard quotes a top administration official as asserting, “We assume an attack will happen leading up to the election,” and that it will happen in Washington, D.C.

Bedard continues by noting, “Unclear is the political impact, though most Bushies think the nation would rally around the president.” He quotes another official who has been involved in recent terrorism response drills: “I can tell you one thing, we won’t be like Spain.” Earlier this year, Spain’s conservative government was ousted by voters after the deadly train bombings in Madrid on the eve of a national election.

The US government has been carrying out terrorism response drills involving the first tests of the revised “continuity of government” plans developed by the administration after the September 11 attacks.

In a piece published May 20 entitled “Beware of any stretch-run surprises,” Wall Street Journal columnist Albert Hunt writes that the November elections could hinge on “unanticipated events.” First on the list of such events is a terrorist attack. Hunt notes: “The Bush administration and outside terrorist experts repeatedly have cautioned that another attack on the homeland is likely. The White House, politically, has it both ways: taking credit for avoiding any assault since 9/11, while at the same time warning that another is likely.”

There is a more sinister subtext to Hunt’s column in the suggestion that the Bush administration would like to “have it both ways” in another manner: it would like to benefit politically by presenting itself as the strongest force against terrorism, while preparing to politically exploit any future terrorist attack. He quotes Charles Black—a Republican strategist and close confidante of President George W. Bush—as stating that “my instinct is there likely will be a rally around effect” in the event of another attack.

(snip)
The social divisions reflected in these developments find their expression in the United States as well. As in Spain, South Korea and India, popular hostility to the government has yet to find any truly independent political articulation, while the deepening crisis of US policy in Iraq has generated enormous divisions within the American ruling class.

How will the Bush administration and the section of the ruling class that it represents—the most criminal and ruthless section—respond? A terrorist attack—engineered or allowed by the government—can by no means be ruled out.

The quoted Washington official’s statement warning that the US “won’t be like Spain” can be interpreted in two ways. Either the Bush administration is determined to manipulate a terror attack to benefit the Republican Party in the elections, or it may use such an attack to call off the elections altogether.

more...
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2004/may2004/terr-m25.shtml

[cosmicdot]

24. Ashcroft doesn't seem to be able to talk without pretending to read

the text in front of him ...

BBC World News showed him talking,

he hardly looked up at all ... can't he look us in the eye ... tell us without consulting a 'prepared text'?

Guess they'll cancel our convention; and shut down the Internet ... for security reasons ...