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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 04:08 PM
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The question is not, "Is Iraq Better Off?".......but
"Is America Better Off?" We have lost 800 soldiers in Iraq and thousands seriously wounded. We have lost credibility around the world. We have lost any moral highground we may have had with the latest prison-abuse photos. It may be years before we really know how much damage has been done to our nation.

So the question is not, 'Is Iraq better off now or is Iraq better off without Saddam'? It is not the relevant question when our nation is in such a moral crisis as the one the Bush Administration has created for us in Iraq. Is America better off? No, I don't think so.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 04:26 PM
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1. For those who care about your question, Kentuck.....here's an answer...
:-(

APRIL 29, 2004
Fables of the reconstruction
BY JASON VEST


Despite repeated assurances over the past year from CPA chief L. Paul Bremer that Iraq's electricity situation has vastly improved, the memo says otherwise, reporting that there is "no consistency" in power flows. "Street lights function irregularly and traffic lights not at all.... Electricity in Baghdad fluctuating between three hours, on and off, in rotation, and four hours on and off."

"I continue to get very upset about the electricity issue," Gardiner said last week after reviewing the memo. "I said in my briefing that the electrical system was going to be damaged, and damaged for a long time, and that we had to find a way to keep key people at their posts and give them what they need so there wouldn't be unnatural surges that cause systems to burn out. Frankly, if we had just given the Iraqis some baling wire and a little bit of space to keep things running, it would have been better. But instead we've let big U.S. companies go in with plans for major overhauls."

Indeed, as journalists Pratap Chatterjee and Herbert Docena noted in a report from Iraq in Southern Exposure, published by the Durham, N.C.-based Institute for Southern Studies, the steam turbines at Iraq's Najibiya power plant have been dormant since last fall. As Yaruub Jasim, the plant's manager, explained, "Normally we have power 23 hours a day. We should have done maintenance on these turbines in October, but we had no spare parts and money." And why not? According to Jasim, the necessary replacement parts were supposed to come from Bechtel, but they hadn't arrived yet -- in part because Bechtel's priority was a months-long independent examination of power plants with an eye towards total reconstruction. And while parts could have been cheaply and quickly obtained from Russian, German, or French contractors -- the contractors who built most of Iraq's power stations -- "unfortunately," Jasim told Chatterjee and Docena, "Mr. Bush prevented the French, Russian, and German companies from Iraq." (In an interview last year with the San Francisco Chronicle, Bechtel's Iraq operations chief held that "to just walk in and start fixing Iraq" was "an unrealistic expectation.")

The CPA memo also validates key points of the exceptionally perceptive February 2003 U.S. Army War College report, "Reconstructing Iraq: Insights, Challenges, and Missions for Military Forces in a Post-Conflict Scenario." Critical of the U.S. government's insufficient post-war planning, the War College report asserted that "the possibility of the United States winning the war and losing the peace is real and serious." It also cautioned that insufficient attention had been given to the political complexities likely to crop up in post-Saddam Iraq, a scene in which religious and ethnic blocs supported by militias would further complicate a transition to functional democracy in a nation bereft of any pluralistic history.

According to a Washington, D.C.-based senior military official whose responsibilities include Iraq, CPA now estimates there are at least 30 separate militias active in Iraq, and "essentially, doesn't know what to do with regard to them -- which is frightening, because CPA's authority essentially ends on June 30, and any Iraqi incentive to get rid of the militias is likely to go away after that date, as sending U.S. troops around Iraq against Iraqis isn't likely to endear the new Iraqi government to its citizens."

And then there is the problem of Iran. According to the memo, "Iranian money is pouring in" to occupied Iraq -- particularly the area under British control -- and it asserts it is "a mistake" to stick to a policy of "not rock the boat" with the Iranians, as "the Iranian actors with which the State Department likes to do business . . . lack the power to deliver on promises" to exercise restraint in Iraq. According to senior U.S. intelligence and military officials queried on this point, the Iranian influence in Iraq is both real and formidable, and the U.S. is, as one put it, at best "catching up" in the battle for influence. But the officials also added that pushing the point with Iran too hard -- either through diplomatic channels or on the ground in Iraq -- would likely be more troubled than the current course of action, possibly resulting in armed conflict with Iran or a proxy war in Iraq that the U.S. isn't ready to fight.
http://www.illinoistimes.com/gbase/Gyrosite/Content?oid=oid%3A3078
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 06:48 PM
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3. Does anyone know what happened to the self-appointed
Mayer of Baghdad? He had started to get the electrical system in Baghdad up and working. People were doing his bidding. The military arrested him and he hasn't been heard from since.
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gula Donating Member (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 04:51 PM
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2. It is exactly this type of attitude that makes America so disliked
if not hated around the world. All that counts is American dead, American injured, American etc. etc. etc. "Amerika über Alles" Heil *, I think not.

"We have lost any moral highground we may have had". Don't worry, you can't lose what you've never had.
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