RW radio warned - 'hate radio' classified as a war crime in Rwanda

[bobbieinok]

WASHINGTON, May 21, 2004 -- For several weeks now, right wing radio talk show hosts, like Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh and Michael Savage -- who dominate the airwaves and much of the political debate across the American heartland -- have been hammering home the idea that our enemies are far more inhumane than anyone on the U.S. side.
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For observers familiar with the rhetoric that dominated Balkan and Rwandan airwaves during the hate and war crimes in those two regions, American radio's strident, accusatory language sounds a troubling echo.
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In his May 11 and May 12 radio show, Michael Savage called Arabs "non-humans." The Clear Channel syndicated radio host later asserted that Americans should "drop a nuclear weapon" on a random Arab capital, and that "these people" in the Middle East "need to be forcibly converted to Christianity" in order to "turn them into human beings."

Without skipping a beat, Savage on May 14 downplayed Iraqi prisoner abuses at the hands of American military personnel: "I think it's a very good policy, and the more I learn about it I think that it made good sense. . . . Use little women in particular. Little, ugly women. And let 'em take big strapping Iraqis and put 'em on leashes naked. . . Get police dogs to bark at naked Iraqis, until they crack . . . "

Rwandan Echoes

"These radio hosts should take note of something that happened six months ago in a courtroom in Tanazania," says British journalist Jake Lynch, co-director of the peace journalism think-tank Reporting the World. "For the first time, radio broadcasts were legally deemed to be war crimes."

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http://www.mediachannel.org/views/dissector/affalert202.shtml

[Norquist Nemesis]

1. "For the first time, radio broadcasts were legally deemed to be war crimes

That would be soooo sweet to see Limbaugh, Hannity, et al frogmarched into the Hague for trial. Can't you just imagine their wide, scared eyes and a big spot on their britches? :lol:

[proud patriot]

2. CheckMate

I hope they are held to account

[shraby]

3. Aren't hate websites removed

to protect people?

[Baltimoreboy]

7. Not in free societies

Sorry.

[Trajan]

4. These guys are enjoying this stuff openly now ...

Savage is merely channelling his own sadistic homosexual fantasies ... apparently .... To become approving of THESE acts, is to accept homosexual rape and felony assault ... A different kind of morality than one might expect from these grandiose creedalists ...

It's amazing how their policies resemble gay porn .... They are what they themselves proclaim they hate .... It should be shocking to middle america that their leaders are permitting, and in fact ENCOURAGING, sadistic acts of homosexual domination of the WORST kind: the kind where permission isnt granted, nor even requested ....

Savage and his fellow right winger nutcases hate themselves, because they ARE what they hate the most ... They are obsessed with their own latent feelings, and are lashing out ..... Ive known a few Wingers who declared their 'hatred' of gays, only to talk about gay sexuality endlessly .... It was their constant obsession ....

How Strange .....

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[Alerter_]

6. The Mass Psychology of Fascism

http://www.notbored.org/reich.html

[Cronus Protagonist]

8. Rape is neither heterosexual or homosexual

And I, for one, resent your tagging the rapists in Iraq who are all no doubt heterosexual, with the label "homosexual". There's nothing homo- or hetero-sexual about rape, it's about power and domination as any educated non-bigoted person would know.

I think you have some soul searching to do.

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[Baltimoreboy]

9. I beg to disagree

If a man rapes another man, that's homosexual rape. If he rapes a woman, it's not.

Sorry, rape is NOT just about power. That's why rape tends to occur when you have large groups of men around without many women. They view it as a sexual release.

And the reality is that straight men -- even those warped enough to rape -- don't rape other men except where NO other outlet is available, like prison.

I am not making any judgments on homosexuality or heterosexuality, but I do think your point was incorrect and it flies in the face of reality.

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[Baltimoreboy]

11. Actually, you are the one being insulting

To try and claim that rape has nothing to do with sex is to ignore oh, about tens of thousands of years of human activity. Even back to caveman days rape was a part of the sex act. It still is in many cases.

Murder, typically, is not a sex act. When it is, we include other crimes with it. When a man rapes and murders a woman, do you think that was ONLY about violence? I guess that's why young pretty women have more to fear...

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[Karenina]

14. Rape is about violent control

no matter what the gender combination or permutation.
Cronus' tip about professional help is a good one.

[Baltimoreboy]

16. Professional help?

Yes, you should seek some if you think one has to agree with everything everybody else says (how is that possible) or be somehow deranged.

Rape, like politics, war and a host of other things, is about many things. It is about violence, it is about sex and it is about control and gender relationships and a ton of other stuff.

[smirkymonkey]

28. Where are you getting this "information"?

Seems to me that you are pulling it out of your ass.

Back up with facts, links if you are going to make these idiotic claims.

[noiretextatique]

29. you should talk to some people who have been raped

and ask them if they experieced it as a "sex act." as others have mentioned, rape is an act of violence, power, control...except in porno films.

[Baltimoreboy]

30. Except in history also

Soldiers in armies don't rape just for control. They rape as a sexual outlet and have for thousands of years. They also used to capture women and use them as slaves. Sorry, that's not just about power.

[noiretextatique]

34. that is about power and control

you have a gun, the woman doesn't...sexual outlet?!? DUH...it's still FORCED
a slave... no power and control there...
VIOLENCE, POWER, AND CONTROL...get that thru your thick skull.

[Baltimoreboy]

36. Or you could

It if was just violence, power and control, sex would only be a minor part of it. That was not the case.

Again, it's all of the above, despite the party line beliefs you have on this subject.

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[sangh0]

39. Rape is now a war crime

Not a violent crime. Not a sex crime. A *WAR* crime.

But no, it's not about violence and control

[noiretextatique]

40. of course it is about both

rape is an act of violence...that's a no brainer when it's used as a tactic in WAR. and what is the use of violence anyway (including WAR), except a means to control...by force?

[Trajan]

13. Cronus ...

I am SO sorry if I offended you, but I assure you: I say this from a realist perspective ....

First: I an absolutely FOR gay rights, as I am in all other areas of fact .... Homosexuality does not offend me in the least, nor do I disapprove of ANYONE who wishes that lifestyle .... This issue isnt about homosexuality ... its about the utter hypocrisy of the right, and the nature of that hypocrisy ...

Anti-homosexual feelings, coupled with obsesssive focus on homosexuality acts, is something I HAVE seen before ... I have no problem with homosexuality, but with the declarations of disdain and disgust for homosexuality, coupled with an overt fascination with the acts of homosexuality (which, again; do not offend me ... ) ...

Furthermore: Rape is not a homosexual issue ... it is a human issue ... an issue of violence and assault .... but I distinguish the acts on abu ghraib as 'homosexual rape' for two reasons :1) penetration is caused by a male, to a male, without the express consent of the penetrated male ..... obviously a legal distinction ... and 2) the fact that the organs of government are committing such acts, whilst under the direct control of a regime that panders to anti homosexual feelings and policies on the basis of absolute morality ... BOTH of these aspects require that the rape be defined as 'male to male rape' ....

Hey : If Savage WERE gay, and wished to enjoy consensual sex with another male ... I would say have at it .... Freedom is a wonderful thing ... But THESE assoles go about trying to turn gays into devils with their vicious rhetoric, while at the same time sending out sexual hit squads committing acts of violence .. sexual violence ... and then to say 'it is acceptable' ..?? ..

Uh uh ..... nope ... they cannot get away with this: not the criminal acts themselves, nor with the hypocritical public assassination of homosexuals ....

I certainly didnt intend to denote homosexuality as rape or anything like that ....

I am EXTREMELY liberal with regards to this issue Cronus, please dont read this in the wrong way ....

Perhaps you could inform me of where I had spoken poorly ...

[PeaceForever]

15. I may be in the minority here, but this bothers me.

Words are just that, and I'm a strong believer in freedom of speech. The solution to hate speech is not to ban it or consider it a war crime, but to drown it out with truth.

[Tyler Durden]

17. It has gone far past that.

Now is the time for hate speech and hate crime to be considered what it truly is: MENTAL ILLNESS to be contained and treated.

The irrational hate or fear of spiders, dogs, cats, etcetera is considered phobic behavior: what is different about the irrational hate of ethnic groups, other religions, other races, or people from other areas of the world?

Answer: NOTHING.

I do not want these people DESTROYED, I want them TREATED, and if we cannot treat them, I want them isolated and contained so they may not spread their illness.

THIS DOES NOT EXCUSE THEIR BEHAVIOR OR ABSOLVE THEM FROM RELATED WAR CRIME ISSUES: in my way of thinking, it re-inforces the urgency in haveing them treated, cured, or contained. Active and practicing pedophiles or other sociopaths are treated this way. Where is the difference; in fact, these persons are much more dangerous in that their illness affects MASSES versus individuals.

Rush doesn't need OXYCONTIN, he needs HALDOL or THORAZINE.

[Baltimoreboy]

18. Isn't that what the Soviet Union did?

They defined insanity as anything that disagreed with the state. You are defining it as anything that disagrees with you.

BTW, nice sign-in name.

[bobthedrummer]

19. It is what some political dissidents have had happen to them in America

too.

Some of the authors of the diagnostic criteria of the DSM IV were political operatives.

The mental health profession (like all professions) has long had political operatives within it. There also is the issue of non-consensual human research to address in the near future as the great "national security" classification system abuses are countered by the truth, as unbelievable as it may sound at first hearing.

NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW.

[Tyler Durden]

20. Thanks. But not what I meant.

If they want to disagree, fine. But what they are doing is tantamount to saying that people of color like living in squalid cities because they are subhuman.

These RW Hate Speech purveyors are nothing more than Hitler in 2004. You can take one of Hannity's or Savage's screeds against liberals, sub in JEWS for Democrats/Liberals, and VOILA! You could play it as a soundtrack for "Triumph of the Will" and NO ONE would even notice the difference.

And also, if insanity was anything that disagreed with the state, you and I would already be locked up.

[Baltimoreboy]

21. Hate is not insane

And I could cut and paste some of the things I read on ANY discussion board and replace the nouns with blacks, gays, etc. and come up with scary things.

Yes, hate is scary and depressing, but it is not against the law.

[Tyler Durden]

24. HATE is not their disease, it's a symptom.

Paranoia, Affect Disorder, Bipolarism....

I don't care WHAT you name it, if a Psychoneurotic with a disorder that causes unreasoning phobia of the members of another Sexual Orientation, Race, Religion, Nation, Planet...

THEN IT IS DANGEROUS TO THE PUBLIC AND SHOULD BE MEDICATED OR CONFINED.

As my wife says, "WE GOTTA GET OUTA HERE, and it concerns me that you are hanging your ass out there for all to read."

[PeaceForever]

27. You would have made a good Soviet commissar

Label certain opinions "dangerous to the public." Then make sure people who express such opinions are "medicated or confined."

[Tyler Durden]

32. Nasty, nasty.

Socialist Block Representative maybe, but the Bushes are the new "Commissariat."

This already happens: ever heard of "Enciting to Riot"?

I only submit that Hate is the result of a delusion manifesting itself in antisocial action. WHEN is it wrong to do something about this? These people call out the old SUBHUMAN label to all who oppose them; how long do you want to defend their rights to ACT on this hate?

[PeaceForever]

35. Acting on hate is wrong of course

I didn't mean to imply otherwise.

[PeaceForever]

22. Why the need to isolate and contain them?

"I want them isolated and contained so they may not spread their illness. "

I think this is our main point of disagreement. I believe that most people are fundamentally good, so in a climate of free speech, it is impossible for hate to grow beyond anything other than a tiny fringe. The only reason to isolate and contain hate speech is if you're afraid people will be swayed by it. When hate speech is countered with truth, then there's nothing to fear.

I 100% agree about hate crimes, which is a different issue entirely.

[nayt]

23. wow

where are we going to set up these re-education camps?

[Tyler Durden]

25. Nope

Just free meds, and they watch you take them.

If you really believe Rush and Hannity and O'Reilly are harmless, I suggest you look up the SHOAH project and listen to some holocaust survivors. A lot of them thought THEIR Nazis were harmless cranks, like a lot of people TODAY seem to think.

Does anyone remember who the "president" is? Or the "veep?"

KNOCK, KNOCK, KNOCK! ANYONE HOME?

[PeaceForever]

26. What if they decide not to take their meds?

Will you now start forcibly injecting people who express the wrong thoughts?

Also, you'd need a constitutional amendment to repeal the 1st Amendment.

EDITED TO ADD: I'm always amused at the irony when anti-fascists themselves use fascist tactics.

[Tyler Durden]

31. Sticks and Stones will break my bones....

I suppose Mass Delusion is not a mental illness?

Fine. Their right to piss trumps your right to not have them piss in your canteen.

Not me chum.

[Karenina]

33. Enciting to....

:SIGH: