Women in the Military! "Hell NO...I won't GO! I won't and I will leave!

[KoKo]

I have great respect for fellow DU females who went in and served and had great experiences from this. But, "HELL NO" I won't GO! If they put a DRAFT in I will declare "PACIFIST"...and I will get the hell outta here.

But, I can do this because I have some $$$'s. What about those who can't.

My postion puts me at "odds" with the "Feminist Movement" who said I should be included with those who WANT TO GO! Those who CAN'T WAIT to get out there with the guys and shoot those guns...or maybe some just want to "serve" and think that they can get away with doing "paper work/clerical" but don't realize they have to go through that "GUN TRAINING" at LeJune or Paris Island or wherever the Hell they send the Female Recruits."

I wonder...do they also include "RAPE THERAPY?" "How to DEAL IN WARTIME" when your "Only Companions are Males and You are all "hyped and
SEX is the only relief?

YOU come home with the "baby in your belly" and your Jock compatriot is over there in Iraq/Afghanistan/Korea/Somalia/Kosovo/Korea or wherever else it is:

What if you "get yourself in trouble." Lyndie England who with her fellow guy "got off" on "Sado-Masochistic Sex" and you were "doing it night and day with "prisoners" or your fellow soldiers.

You come home "pregnant" but you don't know by whom...but you just love that little "baby in your belly" and you don't care the fuck WHERE that baby came from...maybe it was one of the Iraqi's you abused 's baby or maybe it was one of your "soldier buddies" babby.

In today's world...do you care where the "BABY" came from? Or, is it just that GOD GAVE YOU THAT BABY?

:shrug:

[Preening Fop]

1. Have You Been Into The Sauce, Today?

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[Scairp]

28. Uh huh

I nominate this post as the most incoherent of the day. :crazy:

[graham67]

2. I got the Hell no, I won't go part....

after that you lost me :wtf:

[graham67]

3. Oh, and FWIW

If you have the means to get out, then do it when the time comes. I'm worried sick about how I'll protect my son from a draft in a couple years.

[Kiliki]

4. You should not be drafted because...

forced conscription is the equivelant of slavery, and is morally and ethically wrong.

You being a woman should be a moot issue. I don't think your life is any more valid than a mans life- all life is sacrad, gender be damned.

[KoKo]

5. Hello! It's about "Sex," and "Women and Men" and Babies! the "unintended

products" of WAR.

I can't believe my post didn't get that....

[Kiliki]

6. No offense but that sounds like right-wing-speak

usually they are the ones freaking out because someone has sex or got pregnant. Is that really the reason you are opposed to women being drafted? Hello back atcha- the draft is WRONG because it forces service.

Many women serve honorably and don't have gang-bangs or illegitimate children fer fucks sake.

[KoKo]

7. Let's put it this way: "War, Sex,Pregnancy, Babies... Whose the father

going back to "War, Sex, Stress, Babies..who is the father?"

Do we really "care" anymore? Seems to me that a Female Inlisted or Officers pay in the Military Today...could pay for many babies and much food at the PX and health care from the VA.

My curiosity is do they allow "Midwives" at the VA hospitals for Female Soldiers who have been "knocked up" Do they ask you to fill out the standard HIPPA Questionaire? Do they ask for the "genetic background of the father along with the mother?

What about the "regulations" we average Am's have to go through today to qualifiy for health insurance.

Are military getting "special treatment" if they come back with "Unknown Baby in Belly?" What about those who lost limbs and are disabled the rest of their lives.

What are the "consequences of our actions?" WHAT?

[Kiliki]

9. Well as a woman veteran I can tell you

women get pregnant. Sometimes unmarried women get pregnant (just like in general society, go figure).

Pregnant women who want to remain in service are usually put into temp light duty assignments. They receive quality prenatal care (they see the same physicians, practitioners, and midwives that dependant wives see with all the usual testing protocals)

I'm not understanding your point at all.

[KoKo]

27. What if you were in Lyndie England's postion? What if you had sex with

prisoners because you were ordered to, or were caught up in somekind of nightmare scenario where "letting off steam" you had some parners, got pregnant and didn't know who the father was. What would you do?

Your health care is paid for but what about the rest of it? :shrug:

[Kiliki]

31. Where the hell are you getting this?

So far everything I've read has said she abused prisoners, not that she had SEX with them. What if I were her? I wouldn't have sex with multiple partners! I'd use birth control! Thats a no-brainer.

Hey, if you are the kind of person who deals with high stress situations by having copious amounts of indiscriminite sex with multiple partners, then take a trip to the clinic and get birth control.

You know your arguments on this are just like those people who argue gays shouldn't be allowed to serve because they just won't be able to help themselves, they'll convert all those nice hetero men and before you know it everyone will resort to sodomy... next thing you know the entire military will be HIV+... and they'll be wussies on top of it all.

Its a lame argument. Personal responsibility doesn't just extend to our borders, it carries over to foreign soil too.

[Cheswick2.0]

8. it's not about wanting to get out there and shoot with the boys

No one wants to go and risk their life. It is a matter of fairness and equality. If men get drafted so should women.

[KoKo]

10. Cheswick! I'm totally female..not gay...I wouldn't go ! They would have

to shoot me! Are you saying you would MAKE me go? As some sort of "sacrifice" to "Female Equality?"

Doesn't "Feminism" mean the "Right to Choose?" If it's "Babies or War, or whatever the hell else we Females care about?" :shrug:

[Cheswick2.0]

15. I think you should get off the computer, drink some OJ and have a nap

you are getting all upset over something that hasn't happened.

[KoKo]

19. Cheswick it HAS HAPPENED! It's out there! But, I always love your posts

so, I figure you need the nap and drink and not me. :D ribbing you.

I am a NIGHT person... About 3:00 p.m. is when I go...all night...til very late...

[Bunny]

11. Well, I'm going to move along now.

This post is a real train wreck.

What in this world are you talking about?:shrug:

[KoKo]

12. An "un-named Baby in the Belly?" And it's yours? How would YOU React?

I want to know as a female/feminist and a member of humankind?

How WOULD YOU react? :shrug:

[Kiliki]

13. React? With the morning after pill I suppose. n/t

[Kiliki]

14. Im assuming by unnamed you mean the father isnt named...

I say this because my kids were not named untill well into my pregnancies and well... my reaction then was "yahhhhhooooo, my husband and I are having a baby!"

[KoKo]

16. Did you have "multiple partners," though? If you were in Iraq and under

stress in the "military environment" you might not know who the father was?

[Kiliki]

18. Okay lets regroup...

This is what I am interpetting to be saying-

Women who go to war have multiple partners and often end up pregnant without knowing who the father is. Women should not be drafted because they might get pregnant and not know their babies fathers name. You should not be drafted because it could happen to you. The babies are the ones who suffer. Is that about it?

My response is many women serve and do not have multiple partners. Many women serve and do not get pregnant. Many of the women who DO get pregnant while serving know who their babies fathers are, many of them are married to or seriously invested in those relationships.

There are many ways to avoid this situation. You could not have sex. You could not have sex with multiple parters. You could use birth control.

Further, I again point out women get pregnant out of wedlock, sometimes without knowing the father, every day in civilian life. I'd also go one more step and suggest drafted women would be no more likely to be promiscuous than women who serve voluntarily.

And finally, once again, we should oppose the draft because it is WRONG, not because Lynndie England got pregnant.

[KoKo]

20. But...what if the Draft is "Correct?" And, I and others Don't want to go!

How do we handle this? And, if we are forced to go...some, and end up with babies..what kind of care do we get?

If we refuse to go...what happens to us? Are we "whimps" because we have to leave the US?

Why do I feel Females should be treated differently than Men? Should I learn to overcome what I feel is my "female squeamishness? Just so I can go to war and be like "the guys?" I don't want to be "like the guys." But it doesn't mean I can't be of service in another profession...:shrug:

[bloom]

32. I think I know what you're getting at

I could be wrong. :)


It seems to me that it IS different for women, as it is/was different for the Abu Graiab(sp?) women. Yes, men can be raped, just as women can be raped - but men are not getting pregnant as a result - so it is not the same.

And yes, for the England lady, too. Sure the men participated in all the sex crap, just like she did, but after nine-months, who is it with the physical consequences? The woman. The men go on with their life - however they choose.

As far as the draft goes, I'm with you. If I were young enough, I would do whatever it took to find a way out. For the women who go, it seems like a supply of Morning-after pills would be required for unexpected sex, rape, etc.

It's pretty disgusting to contemplate.

[Crunchy Frog]

17. The key is to get knocked up

before they manage to draft you. If they start the draft again and decide to include women, I predict a massive new baby boom, mostly involving young unmarried women.

That's one benefit to being a woman. We have an "out" for military service that men don't have.

[KoKo]

21. I don't know... it seems after "baby is born" they Army or Marines or

whatever come after you making you seek daycare or whatever. They call you to serve anyway...and whatever happens to your children they don't give a sh**t about. :shrug: That's part of what got me upset enough to post about this...

[Crunchy Frog]

33. My guess is that in a draft,

they would not come after women with infants and very young children, especially if they are single. It's different with women who are already enlisted in the military, then they don't give a damn especially when the military is stretched so thin. If they reinstated the draft, they wouldn't be stretched thin the way they are, and could afford to not take some classes of people.

That's just my guess.

[supernova]

22. KoKo01, how old are you?

are you really of draft age? If not, your point is moot anyway.

And yes, it is about equality. Who says young men think it's fair, or that they want to go, or they don't wish they could stay home and grow up with their buddies and girlfriends.

[KoKo]

24. Hell NO! No one should go ...unless they Volunteer! Or there's a REAL

catastrophe and not Bush's Engless Trumped Up Wars. BTW...:-)'s Yes, I miss the cut off..But I'm Emphathizing because I have STRONG VIEWS....:grr:

[9215]

23. When they call you up go down and tell

them, with eyes agleaming, you are itching to get over there and kill some of those goddless AAARAAABS! Give em' a crazy ass look. Make sure to not take a bath for a couple of weeks before you go in scruffy and dirty as hell.

Just some thoughts. }(

[KoKo]

25. WHAT?? I'm talking about the implications of Females in War.. but I take

your point. Maybe developing a spot in the "right place" like Limbaugh?

Yuck...I'd leave here or chop off my toes or something...

[graham67]

29. Get a friend....

to shoot you in the foot. No draft for you, case closed.

[HuskerDem]

26. They'll put you in charge of a prison

if you do that. :-(

[graham67]

30. No, no....

Tell them, eyes agleaming, that you can't wait to get over there and fuck all those hot Arab men. Bathing optional.

[Crunchy Frog]

34. No, that wouldn't work.

They would just pin a medal on you, say "you're our girl", and send you on down the line. Just like in Alice's Restaurant.:)