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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 11:21 AM
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Does anybody know what's supposed to happen on June 30th?
Edited on Fri May-21-04 11:28 AM by rucky
Iraq handover... as scheduled.

What's the (public) plan? What's the REAL plan? What will actually end up happening?

I guess Chalabi is no longer even a sham excuse for an interrum leader. there seems to be more talk about the UN from the Bush camp. Seems that (without "cutting and running" of course), Bush's plan is to - well - cut & run. Dump the problem on the UN then blame their lack of cooperation for any future failures.

The thing is, I think we will hear less & less news from Iraq. I'm thinkin' the administration is hoping it will be ignored like Afghanistan. If the media cooperates, they could get their wish: The illusion of a semi-graceful transfer of power - while still keeping our business interests intact.

I hope I'm wrong. We need to stay vocal. Kerry needs to stay vocal. We can't let this slide like Afghanistan. That's the lesson I learned from that debacle, at least.
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StephNW4Clark Donating Member (547 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 11:27 AM
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1. The administration doesn't even know what's going to happen
on June 30th.

All I know is that it will be a disaster.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 11:33 AM
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3. the one time I actually want to hear from a freeper
it's interesting that they're still talking about the transfer of power, but there's absolutely no Right Wing spin about anything more specific than how everything's going to be ok. they're not even pretending to have a plan, are they? They've been reduced to openly wishing this problem away. This is the most vulnerable we have ever seen this administration... we need to go for the jugular now. Come July 1st, the election is Kerry's to lose.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 11:28 AM
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2. The "training wheels" come off.
:eyes: According to Bush. Maybe we should put the training wheels back on the Bush administration. Maybe that's been their problem the whole time.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 11:34 AM
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4. No.
I presume there are some sort of "plans", ill-formed and
tentative, but since nobody is actually in control of much
of anything, nobody can know what will happen, and most
likely the "plans" will be changing right up to showtime.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 11:36 AM
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5. New puppets get to pretend they control Iraq.
I'm not concerned about them not knowing who the new puppets are. Why would it possibly matter.

They are nothing more than a fig leaf for the continued occupation and they will likely be picked off by the resistance.

This entire thing is completely doomed to a ghastly, bloody failure, regardless of what is tried.

And yes, Rumfilled DOES do quagmires. In fact, this one is the king of all quagmires.
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NeonLX Donating Member (472 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 11:37 AM
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6. All turns to sweetness and light.
The Murkan media will pull up stakes and leave. Iraq will become another distant memory to the Murkan people, 'cept for those unlucky enough to have family & friends getting killed there.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 11:40 AM
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7. Bush makes an announcement....
He has found a new face that will support his plan but is not yet on the IGC and will say that he is a statesman from the southern area of Iraq and he "hopes" the Iraqi Governing Council will support him...of course they will, they have been bought. By making this person look independent of American influence, we try to lend credibility to him in the eyes of the Iraqis. But Iraqis are smarter than Americans - it may not work there.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 11:48 AM
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11.  I think Bush's biggest problem is that the IGC has NOT been bought
he was counting on that for a smooth sham transition. it's not happening that way because they are obviously ignoring legitimate leaders, which seriously undermined their credibility. Even the IGC doesn't buy their own bullshit. Even Bremer's starting to get critical of our occupation. the shmuck.
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catmandu57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 11:40 AM
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8. No, but, on 1 July
I believe we'll be reading about wide spread insurgency, and more American deaths.
30 June is not going to change a damn thing, it's a day on the calendar, there is no plan, there isn't anyone to throw the keys to, and in 39 days we're going to see one of the biggest fuckups ever.
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Wind Dancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 11:42 AM
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9. Agreed freddie57!
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Stew225 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 11:44 AM
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10. On June 30th I suspect Chimpy will be......
at his Crawford ranch and/or at the Crawford Sylvan Learning Center
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 11:51 AM
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12. Maybe we'll have Fox doing a reality show-
"Who want's to be the next Iraqi puppet?" We can have a bunch of Iraqi wannabes do all sorts of tests and vote them out one by one. The last man (or woman) standing will crowned the new puppet.

That frees Bush up from responsibility and we get to choose the one we think would make a great mouthpiece for corporate oil.
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rhino47 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 11:52 AM
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13. Fox will air Iraq Idol.
They will tour all limits of iraq finding oh so talented cannon fodder and we all will get to vote on their song and dance.
<sarcasm off>

It really confounds me how we are all supposed to be so optimistic when they have no idea as to whom they are turning iraq over to.
I bet this makes iraq`s neighbors feel really secure.
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CO Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 12:08 PM
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14. I Know That June 30th is My Wife's Birthday
And I'm supposed to take her out to dinner.

:-)
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 12:11 PM
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15. Maybe you can give her the position of interrim leader as a gift
I hear it's available.

not that I'd wish it upon your wife... or any infidel for that matter.
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 12:15 PM
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16. Meet Iraq's new leader:
Phone call from Bremer

Hello?

Hello, Jibran?

Yes?

This is Paul Bremer. Do you know who I am?

Sir? The United States Presidential Envoy to Iraq? Is this you, sir?

Yes, Jibran, it's me.

Oh my, sir. Why have you called me? What can I do for you?

I'm glad you asked. You know that we're turning the government over to your people on June 30? Only problem is...we don't know who to turn it over to. Your name came up.

But sir, I am only 17. I am delivery boy for Pizza Hut in the Green Zone. Since last week. It is my first job. I think you have the wrong Jibran, sir. I am Jibran al Habib.

I understand that, Jibran. You come highly recommended by the Pizza Hut manager, Nizzar al Habib.

Uncle Nizzar?

That's right. He says you are very dependable. A smart boy. Look Jibran, we had a long list of possibilities. For one reason or another none of the others were available. Some had previous plans, or it was their bridge night, or a dentist's appointment...whatever. We even talked to your Uncle Nizzar, but of course he has the Pizza Hut to run.
It's come down to you.

But sir, I know nothing of government. How can I do this?

Not to worry, Jibran. We'll have plenty of...um...advisors to...uh...help you out. Don't worry about a thing. We think you're just the guy. What do you say?

Well sir, if you will help me, I will do my best, insh'allah.

That's all we ask. I'll be in touch.
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al bupp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 01:44 PM
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20. <snicker> <snicker>
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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 12:27 PM
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17. James Baker rides in on his white horse and saves Bush's ass.
And he hopes we will sit through the second movie on the bill.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 12:34 PM
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18. June 30th will bring a fake ceremony for a fake "ruler"....
with fake keys handed to him/her to go with the new fake interim
'government'. After all, everything about aWol* is fake why should this be any different. Unfortunately for him and the troops the average Iraqi is much more aware of the truth of the situation, than the average ameriKan. July 1 will bring LOTS MORE BLOODSHED! Sorry, my crystal ball is fading now.....
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al bupp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 01:36 PM
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19. A Day of Bread & Circus
Since June 30 happens to be my birthday, I may have a skewed perspective on the obvious, but largely unanswered question about what "the handover" set for that date really means. Nonetheless it strikes me as plain that the administration has simply drawn a line in the sand. If Rove's as smart as he's said to be, then he's planned for a well-televised occasion of pomp & circumstance where the admin can assert Iraq's reborn, and name the new team which will "stay the course". That's to say it'll be a non-event, of almost entirely symbolic value, if that.

Like most such lines though, I wouldn't expect it to last for very long. It depends on the bombs being kept from raining on their parade. It depends on the abuse/torture story going away. It depends on people behaving. Not very likely in other words. Lets review the variables.

Nobody knows who will actually get the symbolic ruling sceptor. Supposedly the ground-rules for the interrum gov have been established: a year to get an elected gov in place, as I understand it. The UN's Brahimi been tapped to name names, mostly to give the admin credibility (read plausible deniability) w/ what happens afterward. It's also perhaps a bait & switch on getting the UN to be left holding the bag on the enevitable fallout. During the interrum before elections, the real elbow jockeying among the various competing parties/interests begins.

There's no dearth of competitors among the current crop in the Iraqi counsel, and elsewhere in the political sphere. The oft mentioned Sunnis, Shiites, & Kurds top most lists. Each of these groups has internal factions, namely the various Shiite clerics, old and upstart alike; Baathists and non-Baathists, as well as their own muslim extremists among the Sunnis, and the two sometimes warring Kurdish parties, each w/ connections in a "greater Kurdistan". Each sub-group has pervasive tribal influences. That's not to mention bordering countries, notably the Iran w/ its extensive religious connections, or the US's and regional oil interests for that matter.

The fact that Chalabi's now having his home raided during the wee hours tells us that the power struggle among the "in crowd" is getting more intense. In such times we can predict that the players will switch horses, push the envelope, and/or do whatever they can to gain advantage during the time of flux. Maybe the admin hopes the hot Iraqi summer will keep a lid on things.

As many have pointed out around here, Fallujah demonstrated how effectively our leader is at being a "Uniter", though I doubt he had militant Iraqi factions in mind.

Surprise, surprise our country's invasion & occupation have overturned the status quo and caused a whole slew of unintended consequences. IMHO, the powers that be try to overlook these inconveneinces, and keep their eyes on the prize (as they see it) of long-term US military bases in the region which are outside of the even more inconvenient Saudi and Kuwaiti nations.

Apparently, they were too obsessed w/ their visions of geopolitcal manipulation that they forgot about the old Greek myths about what eventually happens to those w/ the hubris to imagine themselves gods. Assuming, of course that they ever paid attention to those stories in boarding school in the first place, which seems pretty damn dubious.





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