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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 10:06 AM
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FORCED to renounce Allah, forced to thank Jesus for his life.....
i think i'm about to pass out from the horror of this.

the man covered in shit was put through this. just one man, in one prison. what the fuck is going on in the other 24 prisons in iraq and the prisons in afghanistan? i assume the same thing, the humiliation, rape, and subjugation of the people of Islam.

if jesus was here, he'd punch bush right in his nazi face. yet, the devoted bushlovers, bornagains and assholes in general still claim to be followers of the prince of peace.

remember how after 9-11 bush cautioned us not to hate muslims? he said we respect Islam, and that we respected their religion, and only a few bad apples made all islam look bad. fuck.

the next time someone tells you bush is a godly christian man, spit in their nazi faces.

fuck...............fuck.....................fuck
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thebigidea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 10:08 AM
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1. its just a few bad apples. I'm outraged by your outrage.
you're playing politics. they're just blowing off steam. may god continue to bless america.

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prodigal_green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 10:11 AM
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3. go upsilon sigma alpha!
woo hoo! frats rock!
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hexola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 10:10 AM
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2. "They ordered me to thank Jesus that I'm alive"
Not a good day to complain about Xtian bashing on DU...



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freetobegay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 10:15 AM
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5. It's always a good day to complain about assholes like that.
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 10:45 AM
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13. yes, better to become black and white thinkers too..... that'll teach em!
Let's all hate and generalize about people we don't agree with. That will make the situation in Iraq so much better.
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Solomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 10:13 AM
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4. "Feels Good"
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zbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 10:15 AM
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6. First thought I had when I saw that picture today...
What would Jesus do?
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Alerter_ Donating Member (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 10:33 AM
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10. Who would Jesus Sodomize?
I'd like to start hearing answers from pro-torture pro-war "Christians".

"Whatever you do to the least of these, you do to me."
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 11:49 AM
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27. Might make for a good bumper sticker.
Ok, I'm kidding ...

I am actually progressive Christian and I HATE these RW fundie sickos poisoning my religion. DAMN THEM!
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 10:16 AM
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7. Somewhere, a man (?) called Boykin is masturbating wildly (nt)
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truthspeaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 10:18 AM
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8. Look at what he does, not what he says.
If Bush says this is not a war against Islam, it's probably a pretty safe bet that it really is a war against Islam.

Crusading asshole.
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Alerter_ Donating Member (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 10:30 AM
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9. Bush = Anti-Christ
simple as that
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 10:40 AM
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12. the old republicans thought
that george bush the lesser was the "one world anti christ" and didn`t want him as vice president under reagan..but that all changed because of a family friend. these old guys were wrong, it is bush`s son who is the true -anti christ-he actually believes he was ordained by god to carry on his mission to rid the world of non-believers.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 10:35 AM
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11. Welcome to the Spanish Inquisition, when Jews and Moors
Edited on Fri May-21-04 10:36 AM by Cleita
were forced to become baptized Christians or be killed. Thanks so much for taking us back to the Middle Ages in every way Mr. President Moran.
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truthspeaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 10:52 AM
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19. you and your revisionist history!
Everyone knows the Jews and Muslims converted willingly because they saw the Truth™ of Jesus's Word! Allegations of torture and murder are just anti-Christian bias.
</sarcasm>
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 01:15 PM
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36. LOL. Speaking of revisionist history.
In Catholic school, in my Church History class, we were told that the Inquisition was conducted by a corrupt group of lay people, who had bought clerical offices, and used the Church as their authority to commit these atrocities. The true blue Catholic clergy had nothing to do with it. What was that about a few bad apples?
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BonjourUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 10:47 AM
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14. In the 21st century, US are able to do both a colonial war and a crusade
Edited on Fri May-21-04 10:48 AM by BonjourUSA
Don't you think the American society is sick of its religious snafu ?
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 10:51 AM
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18. I started listening to one of the religious radio stations in my
county. I am shocked at the drivel that is being spewed in the name of Jesus Christ and the Bible. These people are certifiably insane. I will do a post on it one of these days when I get enough information together. I knew these people were deluded, but I didn't know how badly their belief system has become a cult.
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ArkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 10:58 AM
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22. wha????
.
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BonjourUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 12:25 PM
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28. snafu : in a state of complete confusion
It's an American word, I think. ;)
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 12:27 PM
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29. A bit of vulgar etymology.
Situation
Normal
All
Fucked
Up

..then, there's:

Fucked
Up
Beyond
All
Recognition

Corrections welcomed. Believe these are military terms.

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BonjourUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 12:33 PM
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31. I didn't find another word for describing the situation
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Gold Metal Flake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 01:35 PM
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40. SNAFU is FUBAR as policy.
Your definitions of the acronyms are correct.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 03:20 PM
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47. It's a floor cleaner! - It's a dessert topping!
No, it's BOTH a floor cleaner AND a dessert topping
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keithyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 10:48 AM
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15. So, you can fool Jesus into believing your lying ass?
Anyone forced to pray to Jesus is not praying to Jesus and this proves these people are in no way 'Christians.'
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gottaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 10:49 AM
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16. Do you believe in anything?
Crusader ....Do you believe in anything?

Muslim........ I believe in Allah.

Crusader ....But I believe in torture and I will torture you.
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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 10:53 AM
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21. I believe in Louis Armstrong
i'm an atheist if that's what you mean.
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gottaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 11:05 AM
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23. oh, not you, I'm quoting one of the prisoners
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/world/iraq/abughraib/swornstatements042104.html

The person who was treated this way and worse, his name is Ameen Sa'eed Al-Sheikh. He was quoted in this morning's story from the Post too.
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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 11:06 AM
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24. that is bizarre
i read it, i guess i forgot that quote. thanks for clarifying.

i'm in a rotten mood, i assure you, it wan't meant as an attack.
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 10:50 AM
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17. Took me awhile to find this
Edited on Fri May-21-04 10:52 AM by prolesunited
Remember after Sept. 11 this is what Bush said: "This crusade, this war on terrorism, is going to take awhile."
http://www.csmonitor.com/2001/0919/p12s2-woeu.html

His use of the word "crusade," said Soheib Bensheikh, Grand Mufti of the mosque in Marseille, France, "was most unfortunate", "It recalled the barbarous and unjust military operations against the Muslim world," by Christian knights, who launched repeated attempts to capture Jerusalem over the course of several hundred years.

The entire world was aghast and he quickly backtracked, BUT who really believes he misspoke? He simply didn't gauge the reaction.

But his earlier comments, declaring a war between good and evil, shocked Europeans. "If this 'war' takes a form that affronts moderate Arab opinion, if it has the air of a clash of civilizations, there is a strong risk that it will contribute to Osama bin Laden's goal: a conflict between the Arab-Muslim world and the West," warned the Paris daily Le Monde on Tuesday in an editorial.

"Bush is walking a fine line," suggested Dominique Moisi, a political analyst with the French Institute for International Relations, the country's top foreign policy think tank. "The same black and white language he uses to rally Americans behind him is just the sort of language that risks splitting the international coalition he is trying to build.

"This confusion between politics and religion...risks encouraging a clash of civilizations in a religious sense, which is very dangerous," he added.


It is quite revealing to look back at those comments in light of all that has transpired since then.




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thebigidea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 10:53 AM
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20. ah, thanks for bringing that quote up...
will have to dig it up at CSPAN and use for something. What a telling line...
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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 11:44 AM
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25. Amen, brother
a-fucking-men

:grr:

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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 11:48 AM
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26. OMG.
I am literally sickened.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 12:31 PM
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30. Not prison....death camp
Edited on Fri May-21-04 12:32 PM by rucky
let's call them what they are.

We can't let this happen anymore. It's time to take to the streets.

please supply a link so I can send this around.
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kimchi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 12:39 PM
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32. Yeah, that really pissed me off too.
That is just the straw that...smeared shit on the Iraqis back.

Or something.

They hate us for our freedoms, remember? Our freedom to bomb, rape, sodomize, and torture at will. Yup, that's freedom alright.

No one has ever told me that bush is a godly man; and if they ever do; well, I've never been to jail before for assault and battery; but there's a first time for everything.

Kim
(who has always tried to be a pacifist; won't smack her child; and won't even kill bugs)
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 12:47 PM
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33. WWJT?


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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 12:50 PM
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34. do unto others.......pre-emptively.......n/t
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 12:53 PM
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35. yeah, looks like we will be seeing payback for decades to come
maybe even centuries.

thanks bush.
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democrank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 01:28 PM
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37. This abuse is just a normal extension
of Bush`s cock walk across the aircraft carrier and his God-sanctioned division between them and us. I could puke.
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dave29 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 01:31 PM
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38. Funny
you never hear of anyone forced to renounce, Allah, Jesus, or any other religious figure, while covered in feces, and forced to accept Einstein as their true savior.
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drdigi420 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 01:41 PM
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42. Einstein was real
BIG difference
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VOX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 01:34 PM
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39. Remember Ann Colter's quote, "We...should convert them to Christianity?"
http://www.nationalreview.com/coulter/coulter091301.shtml
"We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity."

Well, maybe **she** should be tried for war crimes, for spewing the brand of hate speech that endorses and encourages this kind of amimal brutality.
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 01:37 PM
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41. What Did Coulter Say About Covering Them In Shit? And Making Them Eat...
pork out of a dirty toilet? And what were her feelings about forcing them to stick their fingers up their anuses and then lick their fingers? Considering all that's come before, I can only imagine what ELSE they forced them to do with their own feces.

-- Allen
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VOX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 01:49 PM
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43. You can be certain that she endorses these atrocities...
The U.S. has unleashed a terrible hatred upon the world, and in no small way are the exponents of hate speech responsible -- Rush, Hannity, Coulter, etc.

Their daily grind says it's okay to be an asshole, it's okay to hate people, it's okay to feel superior to those less fortunate, it's okay to use force to achieve your ends, it's okay to consider certain people as less than human, and so on.

I'm not saying anything as nutty as they're directly responsible, but I am saying that all the hate-speech has contributed to a climate where this kind of unspeakably cruel behavior could in fact take place.
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Elbowroom Donating Member (257 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 02:02 PM
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44. FORCED to renounce Allah, forced to thank Jesus for his life.....
"FORCED to renounce Allah, forced to thank Jesus for his life....."




where are you getting this from?
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VOX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 02:45 PM
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45. Just read the news, you'll find it...(links)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A43783-2004May20.html
New Details of Prison Abuse Emerge
Abu Ghraib Detainees' Statements Describe Sexual Humiliation And Savage Beatings
By Scott Higham and Joe Stephens
Washington Post Staff Writers
Friday, May 21, 2004; Page A01
<snip>
Some said they were pressed to denounce Islam or were force-fed pork and liquor. Many provided graphic details of how they were sexually humiliated and assaulted, threatened with rape, and forced to masturbate in front of female soldiers.
<snip>

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5013551/
New details on scale of Iraq prison abuse
MSNBC News/washingtonpost.com Highlights
3:04 p.m. ET May 21, 2004
<snip>
He said one soldier continued to abuse him by striking his broken leg and ordered him to curse Islam. "Because they started to hit my broken leg, I cursed my religion," he said. "They ordered me to thank Jesus that I'm alive."
<snip>
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i_c_a_White_Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 02:56 PM
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46. that does remind me of freepers
"you say Jesus into the barrel of a gun!'
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