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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 10:15 PM
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Tell John Kerry to Pick Up the Phone and Take Ralph Nader's Phone Call!
If anyone saw Ralph Nader this morning on CNN blistering the skin of George Bush and Dick Cheney's illegal administration, then you saw Nader at his finest.

Ralph refused to be baited by Wolf Blitzer into criticizing John Kerry. Instead, Nader assaulted George Bush across the board from issues domestic to those abroad including the disaster in Iraq.

Nader went out of his way to make sure that CNN's audience knew he had pronounced George Bush as the unelected leader of the United States calling him the "selected" President.

The most unfortunate time came when Blitzer asked Nader if he'd talked to Kerry yet. Nader said that the two of them had planned to talk. Blitzer kept on the point extracting from Nader the embarrassing comment that he'd called Kerry, but that Kerry hadn't yet returned his call. And, believe it or not, Nader insinuated that it wasn't a big deal and that he was sure that he and Kerry would hook up soon.

So, Kerry people: Have JK pick up the damned telephone and talk to Ralph Nader for Pete's sake! Unity.
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mdguss Donating Member (631 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 10:20 PM
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1. Nader is more responsible for Bush running this year:
Than Jeb Bush, Katerine Harris and the rest of the crowd in Florida. Whatever he does this year doesn't help because it brings up 2000. Unfortunately, and unjustly the "Sore/Loserman" label stuck to that. Nader should do the right thing for the country and bow out. Also, Nader is a bit hypocrtical for running a supposidly progressive campaign while accepting the endorsement of the Reform Party--which nominated Pat Buchanan in 2000. Shows that Ralph has devolved from a great public citizen to a usual politician.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 10:22 PM
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2. Get Over It. It's 2004 and The Entire Planet is on the Abyss!
Snap out of it!
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 10:26 PM
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4. Even more reason for Nader to get out of the race
and support the only man who can actually defeat the Chimp.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 10:28 PM
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8. Nader running in itself is not really a problem
my problem with nader has mostly been when he tries to make it seem there is no difference between the 2 parties. i didn'tlike it when he delayed endorsing wellstone and gave the reason for not having endorsed him because wellstone didn't support him for president. supporting wellstone shouldnothave been an issue for nader at all.

but i know nader really does like kerry so he probably wont be so critical of him. for some reason nader didn't like gore .
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 10:38 PM
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13. Nader didn't like Gore because Gore not only understood...
...environmental issues he could also converse about them to the public in ways that Nader could only dream about doing. I personally believe that Gore thought Nader was no longer a true believer in protecting the environment, and had only grown interested over the years in lining his own pockets.

Gore also knew that Nader had thrown in with the NeoCons in 2000. In fact, Nader stated in 2000 that his primary purpose was to see that Gore was defeated.
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 10:45 PM
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17. I think it is the problem
He could say everything he feels it's so important to be saying now without running.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 10:32 PM
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11. No, YOU snap out of it....
...the 2000 election fiasco is EXACTLY why we've ALREADY fallen into the abyss! I want to remember EVERYTHING that has taken place over the last 3.5 years and I will tell everyone I talk with how we got here.

Those who fail to learn about the past, and CLEARLY remember it, are doomed to repeat it.

If you can't understand why people don't want to forget what happened in December 2000, then you can't possibly tell others why it is absolutely critical that we get rid of the NeoCons as soon as possible.

No, don't you DARE tell me or anyone else to forget the 2000 elections. It is the raw emotional fuel by which we will take back our country!
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nonconformist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 01:20 AM
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22. "Get over it"? Where have I heard that before? nt
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 01:30 AM
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24. Kerry said it
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FDRrocks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 01:35 AM
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25. Nader ran Democratically
Edited on Mon May-17-04 01:42 AM by FDRrocks
and people who wanted to vote for him did, as they should in any election.

Bush, Harris and thier ilk stole the election illegaly.

Rate your blame however you want. Blame Ralph, right? He only excercised his right, earning the votes you expect the Democrats to have by default. The other cadre raped our system.

Oh yea, and Al Gore won the 2000 election, despite Nader. Bush took office due to the extralegal efforts of the Right Wing.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 10:25 PM
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3. because kerry has others in his campaign keeping touch
that's why he said it wasn't a big deal. and kerry has acknowledged nader rather than ignoring him as al gore did.

i'm sure they will get together some time.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 10:26 PM
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5. Kerry has talked to Kucinich though
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 10:28 PM
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7. Acknowledging him is more than enough
And is anybody asking Nader whether he's called Bush? Why does anybody expect two opponents to chat on the phone?
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 10:26 PM
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6. If Nader insinuated it wasn't a big deal
my thoughts are that it must not be a big deal.

btw, imho, Raplh should do the right thing and exit the race - and, as long as he's able, do it in a way that would hurt bushco and help the Dems. Maybe that's what he's up to. One can only hope. But I sure don't like him playing around with the wellfare of my country - the world ftm.

Do what's best for the country, Ralph.
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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 10:29 PM
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9. maybe last minute?
drop out and endorse Kerry in say October? :shrug:
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 10:38 PM
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14. Can you imagine saying "thank you" by then, tho?
I mean, if it comes down to it and Nader's still in in October, then I'll be overjoyed if he were to step out at that time. But I would be beyond pi**ed that he allowed the people of this coutnry who demand bush leave to worry for so long about his effect. This isn't a game of chicken, and even if it was, chicken is a stupid, suicidal game.

The one thing I have started to suspect about Ralph is that he wants to force his way into at least the first debate. I truly believe that is a goal of is for this year. And I'm sure he'd want to see what the polls had to say about his support afterwards before he dropped out. A worthy goal, but not this year.

Get out now, Ralph.

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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 11:08 PM
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19. I'm sure you are correct about that and that really is too bad.
The debate should be Bush vs. Kerry, period. No doubt Bush will demand Nader's inclusion.....that takes the focus off him and muddies the contrast between Bush and Kerry. I'll bet the corporate media will declare Ralph the winner, too. It sickens me to think that blowhard will be given serious airtime to distract from the real choices in this election.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 11:03 PM
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18. And what does that accomplish?
Why would anyone run and then drop out? What's the point in that? What does that say about his whole campaign? Running to drop out....really, what is the point? And even if he does drop out in October, his name is on the ballot, he's made Kerry and the Democrats spend money, time, and focus on trying to keep the Left in camp, instead of concentrating on the undecideds/independents where the election would be decided.

Personally, I have no idea what Nader thinks he's accomplishing by inserting himself between the only viable candidates. Too bad we couldn't elect Nader as our Lecturer-in-Chief....he seems particularly well suited for that role.
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Lou_C Donating Member (944 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 10:30 PM
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10. I hate Ralph Nader
He use to stand for something but now all you can think about when you hear his name is the stolen election.

:puke:
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 10:37 PM
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12. I have to respectfully disagree with you..
Nader does not want our country to be better. It works for him and the others very well the way it is. He is not a solution. I know he says the things you want to hear, but to conservatives, so does BushCo.
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 10:40 PM
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15. You shouldn't believe anything that comes out of liar Nader's mouth.
:puke:
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 10:41 PM
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16. When Nader is no longer an opponent of Kerry, maybe
How stupid is this man? He's running AGAINST Kerry, and he expects Kerry to do what he wants? What Unity is that? Side with the guy trying to cost you the election?

Screw that. When Nader drops out of the race and apologizes for the atrocities he helped enable, then Kerry should pick up the phone. Until then, Nader is just trying to pretend he isn't the biggest American traitor since Benedict Arnold.
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John_H Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 11:18 PM
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20. LOL! Maybe Kerry could offer...
to declare declaring July 4th, Oh-Ralph-You-Are-So-Important-Day. Or rename Rhode Island, Nader Peninsula.

Seriously, you've stumbled upon a problem. Kerry should get Nader over with now. The Republicans are giving him too much money and the pro-bush media whores too much attention for him to just go away, which is what team kerry is apparently hoping will happen.

Kerry ought to get some ads in the can, tough ads that define nader as the slime he is, and make ralph an offer: let him pick some mid level people at Interior, EPA, and Labor, make him some minor czar of something, or we start treating him like any other opponent. The ads go up, the gloves come off, and any group that supports Nader is shut out air tight from any say in any Kerry Administration policy.





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Rowdyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 01:14 AM
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21. Nader wants Kerry to call so he can give Kerry campaign advice
How self-delusional is that? Nader, who doesn't have the guts to run in primaries, and has never accomplished anything electorally except electing George W Bush, now wants Kerry to call so he can offer his "advice".

If I were Kerry or one of his campaign officials, it would be a cold day in hell before I responded positively.

In all honesty, I don't trust Ralph Nader. I have read every word he's had to say and I truely believe he is NOT interested in getting rid of George Bush, it's just not a priority. If Bush stays in office, voters may well be forced to turn drastically left, which benefits Ralph to no end.

No, sorry, I don't want Kerry begging for Nader's tacit acceptance. I want Kerry to make it undeniably clear that supporting Nader is = to endorsing and enabling Bush/fascism.
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AgadorSparticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 01:23 AM
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23. the money whore has put his finger to test the direction the wind blows
and NOW, as the pendulum is swinging in favor of Kerry, decides to talk to Kerry? Imagine that...

Nader may have at ONE time held ideals. He is now just a cheap money whore opportunist. And what sickens me is that he exploits people's ideals for his gain :puke:
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