Contemplate your bellybuttons: Millions of Americans will vote for Bush*

[Q]

- He's a liar, thief and a crook. His shady business deals at Harken and as Gov. make Martha's petty indiscretions look like a bake sale at a church picnic. One of his first business ventures was financed by a relative of bin Laden...the man accused of masterminding 9-11. He's the only 'commander in chief' in recent memory with an arrest and DRUNK DRIVING record. He abused the power of his office by HIDING the presidential papers of icon Reagan and his poppy from public view. He snubbed his nose at the rule of law and refused to release public documents related to national energy policy. He outright LIED about his relationship to Enron's Ken Lay...a family 'friend' for decades who loaned Bush* his corporate jet to campaign and now seems exempt from prosecution.

- He sat on his ass in a classroom as his Saudi friends had unrestricted access to America's airspace and killed 3000 human being so that he could be a 'war president'. He obstructed justice by allowing his Saudi friends and business associates to escape investigation and scrutiny in the matter of 9-11. He lied this nation into an unprovoked, aggressive war against a country that couldn't defend itself and posed no threat to our security. He is commander of a military that has abused, humiliated, tortured, killed and turned a blind eye to the murder of thousands of men, women and children in the middle east.

- Yet...millions of Americans will vote for him in November. They know the truth but will still vote for him. Why? The answer is really rather simple: they don't want Democrats in power. Yes...we've all heard the stories about Fred's lifelong Republican aunt saying she has changed her mind about Bush* and won't vote for him. We've heard about the pundits who have changed their mind about Iraq and now think it's a 'bad idea'. But Bush* can depend on a solid voting bloc of fanatics, zealots and party-line voters to make it a 'close' race.

- The Bushies are also counting on the fact that ballots can be 'manipulated' or simply thrown away and the Electoral College 'convinced' to vote a certain way in a 'close' election. They also have THEIR Supreme Court to clean up any potential messes. They still have their THUGS on hold...ready to intimidate or rough up poll workers determined to 'count all the votes'.

- Prepare yourself for the ugliest campaign and election in American history: Democrats versus the 'divine right' Bush* cabal. Don't be beguiled into complacency by the corporate media's polls that Bush* is 'going down' because of his misadventures, incompetence and wrongdoing. We know he's immune and above the law. The Bushies have much more at stake now than they did in 2000. They WILL NOT allow a peaceful transfer of power to a Democratic president. Mark these words and be warned that we can expect an escalation of the dirty tricks and politics of the last decade. Once again it comes down to this: fight or flight. Fight for America or run away? Which will it be?

[xchrom]

1. for me there are two great rifts in post modern american life

one is corporatism and the second is the one you are talking about.
because it's cultural and it's rooted in hate, superstition, and religion.
timothy mcveigh, anti abortion snipers, lynne cheney and her attack on the ''liberal'' academics.
this is a many headed hydra -- and it contains the seeds of violence and a lot of it.

[robbedvoter]

2. The fanatic block you describe is no more than 29%

if we can mobilize the rest, we are OK. up to us.

[dusty64]

10. I think it may

be more like 37%.

[SpongeBob]

13. Mobilize to do what?

If we're talking about voting, the voters chose Gore in 2000, but the election was still stolen from us.

[Lorien]

48. Considering that less than half of all those who can vote do

vote, 29% is all they need.

[dbt]

3. Ah, but there are a good many who will simply NOT vote

on Election Day. They, of course, would NEVER vote for a Democrat or, God Forbid, Ralph Nader. But their boy bu$h has turned out to be the complete antithesis of evrything they believe in--even the "called by God" bit won't wash any longer.

Maybe you've noticed the fact that some of bu$h's most cheerfully mindless boosters from the last three years or so have simply STFU since sometime in March. You don't get the chain emails from them anymore; they're not out to convert you at lunch any longer. They are just quiet now.

bu$h's handlers need to be worrying about the people they're NOT hearing from.

:evilgrin:
dbt

[Q]

34. But...do you think they'll chance handing over power...

...to Dems by staying at home and not voting? They're probably voting ABK (anyone but Kerry) the same way we're voting ABB.

- It took GOPers a very long time to get the perfect storm in line: White House, Senate and Congress. They now have full control of our government. Even the most hesitant Republican won't want to give this up now that they're getting everything they've wanted and more.

[Skittles]

4. you nailed it, Q

:thumbsup:

[wyldwolf]

5. I think more will vote for Kerry

So, Q, are you going to "fight or flight. Fight for America or run away? Which will it be?"

[Q]

7. Let's see...shall we choose...

...the most corrupt president* in American history or DLC Kerry? The choice is obvious...but I'm not sure the DLCers know where they stand in the party. They think they're the 'saviors'...but many think they're doom to the future of the party AS the party of the people.

- Honestly? Many, many of us wouldn't vote for Kerry if it wasn't for Bush*. Is this the best the party has to offer? Hell, no. But it's the choice of the DLC party bosses who needs a corporate stooge put in place to replace corporate stooge Bush*.

- Americans may be powerless to stop the corporate takeover of America...but they're not so stupid to understand what's happening.

[wyldwolf]

20. We shall choose Kerry, one of the most liberal senators today and...

...a member of the DLC, the group that has won three straight presidential elections and whose policies many many Americans agree with.

Honestly? Many, many of us wouldn't vote for Kerry if it wasn't for Bush*.

But many many more would. Hey! Many, many of you didn't vote for Gore.

So, what Republican would you vote for over Kerry since you said you wouldn't if it weren't for Bush? Bush I? Reagan? Nixon?

This answer should be good.

So, Q, are you going to "fight or flight. Fight for America or run away? Which will it be?"

[Q]

29. I'm voting for Kerry...isn't that enough for you?

- So your DLC is still 'taking credit' for the last three 'wins'? The Democratic party suffered more losses under Clinton than any other Dem administration. (Yes...I voted for him). Clinton opened the door for Bush* in so many ways: the destruction of welfare programs, the fucking of the worker, international trade and the Handcuffing of the FCC that led to consolidation of the media, etc. Wow. You call this winning? It's a dream come true for the right.

- And you and the DLC take credit for Gore 'winning'...but didn't get off your asses to defend him when he needed 'you' the most. You threw him away like yesterday's newspaper when he rejected your corporate pandering advice. Even today the DLC won't admit that he 'won' or that he was the victim of election fraud. In fact...their rhetoric says that he lost and use that loss as a rationale for an even more conservative candidate.

- And listen up: You know damn well I would never vote Republican. So stop the bullshit. You're just pissed that Progressive and Liberals are on to the DLC and their Bush*/conservative pandering ways. We're fed up with it. Just thought you should know.

[wyldwolf]

31. No, it isn't enought. I think you should also stop working against him ..

... on DU.

Just my opinion.

Also, if you don't want people dissenting from your expert opinions, don't start these kind of threads unless you want to be disagreed with.

So your DLC is still 'taking credit' for the last three 'wins'?

Sure. I mean, you blame them for losses but don't give them credit for wins?

The Democratic party suffered more losses under Clinton than any other Dem administration.

And there were many other things in play that contributed to that, too. Would you like to get into that? Good! First, prove your insinuation: That Clinton and the DLC caused those losses.

Clinton opened the door for Bush* in so many ways: the destruction of welfare programs,

The welfare program was destroyed?

the fucking of the worker,

How so?

international trade

The Bush I baby NAFTA? The one Dean supported?

and the Handcuffing of the FCC that led to consolidation of the media, etc. Wow. You call this winning? It's a dream come true for the right.

Hindsight is always 20/20, but yeah, I call that winning.

[Q]

38. It's the DLC that isn't giving Gore a 'credit' for winning.

- Haven't you read their 'leadership' website? They always refer to 2000 as a LOSS for Gore and Democrats. Why? Because they can't admit that they did NOTHING about election fraud and civil rights abuses. They call 2000 a loss for their own political advantage...blaming Gore for turning 'populist' and rejecting their 'new' Democratic advice to join the right in pandering to corporations...aka a new version of trickle down.

- The truth is that Kerry is not the best candidate for the Democratic party. But it looks like he's the ONLY candidate and with money and pressure from the DLC he will be the nominee. What choice do we have BUT to vote for him?

[wyldwolf]

40. 2000 was a loss for Gore and we democrats

If it wasn't, Gore would be in the white house.

But we all know what really happenned...

and why didn't you answer my questions above?

[Ardee]

6. Eloquent harangue, Q as usual

a few points:

Your characterisation of Bush is accurate and eloquent.

Your estimate of the numbers of fanatics, zealots, and party-liners is subject to debate. I believe that there are very few of the first two, vocal though they may be, and the latter are matched by die hard democratic voters.

Despite the sense you make about illegalities and machinations at the polls it is the Democratic Party acting as an enabler that allows this mess. It is years and years of democratic swings to the right, three years of refusal to act as an opposition party, fear or avarice contributing to the silence in the face of the Bush horrors, contributing their votes to Bush's bills.

As the fortunes of the rightward leaning Democrats sagged and waned they cast about for scapegoats like Nader, they moved CLOSER to Bush rather than take the evidence of the mid term election ( which Nader had NOTHING whatsoever to do with) debacle and distinctly separate themselves from him and the GOP. They give the electorate NO freakin choices!

[Q]

9. You're right...

...I have no way of judging how many 'zealots' there are in the US willing to vote for Bush*. But Repubicans are just as likely to vote PARTY-LINE than Democrats when it comes to an important race.

- The problem is that we see Bush* as the antithesis of everything good about America. But the Right sees him as the alternative to the 'new deal' Democrats and a way to 'finally' create the theocracy they've wanted since the pilgrims landed. Republicans might say they're dissatified with Bush*...but many will partyline vote for him rather than see 'liberal' Kerry in their WH.

- The 'conservatives' in the Dem party are the enablers and right now they outnumber the liberals by a hundred to one. You've seen how the liberal/progressive representatives have resisted Bush* every step of the way. They've called him on his far right policies and his lies and deceptions about the need to attack Iraq. But the so-called 'new' Democrats won't join with them to denounce what the rest of the world knows as transparent malfeasance. They've enabled him to do things that never would have been possible in a working democracy.

- I still believe that Nov. has the potential of being a repeat of 2000. I think the 'new' Democrats will allow them to steal it again with the hopes of making a 'comeback' in 2008. At least this is the impression they leave with those wondering why they're not fighting Bush* or exposing his corruption.

[Ardee]

19. I am an eternal optimist

One must be if one intends to remain sane during a lifetime of activism......

I do not believe for one second that all those "liberal" (shudder at the way that word has been so maligned) democrats have disappeared or gone Green or Nader. I do ,however, fully agree that the neoconservative democratic leadership has completely silenced the progressive wing of that once proud and meaningful party.

If Kerry should lose in November I would guess that the time would be ripe for a rebellion within the ranks of party faithful, wresting back control of that party from the Clinton led DLC conservatives, at least I am hoping for that scenario.

I can indeed make a good argument that a Kerry victory would be the very worst thing for both the Democrats and the nation as things would basically remain the same as they are under Bush, with only minor and cosmetic changes....Oy is that going to go over well with the general population of DU.....:eyes:

[Q]

33. But Bush* would be gone: the main goal of voting in November...

- This is the first time many of us (yes, many) have been put in a position of supporting a Dem candidate we really don't have that much confidence in. But at this point it's a sure thing that America will suffer even greater harm if Bush* stays in office.

- It's strange how the DLC thinks they're so beloved within the Party. It's almost delusional in form and function. But do they ever ask themselves how other Dems think about them forming what 'appears' to be a separate party and calling themselves 'new' Democrats? I'd like to know what they feel is wrong with the Democratic party that they need to identify as 'outsiders'?

[Ardee]

47. I have tried

Really I have, to believe that replacing Bush with Kerry will make a dramatic difference in the way our political system operates. I can make a case that Kerry's judicial nominees will be more in line with mainstream thinking but ,that aside, I see the corporate powers-that-be still in charge of our foreign and domestic policies, I see a corrupt and failing system continuing.

I have weighed and reweighed the strategy of voting third party for the sole reason that the more of us who do so the more significantly our disenfranchisment from the system is noted.

I have also noted that so very many folks fail to exercize their responsibilities to our system of governance by voting and I think that it may very well take four more years of Bush to awaken them...perhaps even eight years of Jeb after that....

All I do know is that Kerry is as beholden to the monied interests that rule our nation and, through its military and economic might, the world as are most of them. Electing Kerry in the fall will simply serve to put even more people back to sleep to the detriment of many, many.

[neebob]

8. My own mother will vote for Bush!

And no amount of sanity will stop her.

[Q]

11. It's not about 'sanity'...it's about...

...'faith' and a belief system ground into the Right...just as it has been programmed into the Left.

- It's strange that so many Democrats still believe that no one in their 'right mind' would vote for Bush*. They're waiting for him to implode or fall...thinking that NO ONE this corrupt and greedy will be 'allowed' two terms. But with few exceptions...he has the corporate world on his side: the money and the media that can manufacture consent and turn this loser into a winner.

[Brewman_Jax]

12. Unfortunately, you're right

I know a lot of people who're angry at Bush*, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they will not vote for him. My RW friend doesn't like Bush*, but he likes Kerry even less. I think that he'd vote republican out of habit 'cause he's a stereotypical RW zombie.

Makes you wonder about these people. :shrug:

[Q]

14. Seems to me some Dems are underestimating...

...the ability of Bush* to pull in the Rwing vote. Contrary to LWing opinion and in spite of the facts...many on the Right believe that Bush* is doing a 'great' job. How do they come to this conclusion? They close their eyes and ears and vote the party line...facts and truth be damned.

- Add to the party-line voters the millions of votes that will come from the 'gun huggers', religious zealots and others who will be convinced by the corporate media that the choice will between 'straight-shooting' Bush* and 'tax and spend liberal' Kerry.

- Democrats haven't clearly marked a line in the sand. The DLCs influence on the Kerry campaign just might bring the same results they got for Gore when they advised him not to fight the far right...just run a low key campaign and hope for the best.

[Brewman_Jax]

15. Kerry needs something to create interest

Kerry has no theme and not a lot of coverage, which probably is not a bad idea right now. Let the medium (from Malloy) pile on Bush* and Co. over the Iraq prison scandals. I can only hope that Kerry is using the time constructively.

Also, that's a good point about not misunderestimating the RW zombies and single-issue neo-cons. Most are lost causes and aren't gonna change until/unless they're directly affected. Some are waking from their stupor, and Kerry needs to be ready for them.

[obnoxiousdrunk]

16. I think Kerry does

have a theme but no one in the media is interested in it. I haven't heard one journalist ask questions on policy. It is always the BS like medals and ribbons, Botox, Teresa's tax records ......

[JCMach1]

17. Never 'misunderestimate' the stupidity of the American People

:(

[taquinas101]

41. Hey, Wasn't Hitler/Milosovich Popularly Elected?

While they eventually became dictators, weren't hey popularly elected to begin with? If the Germans and the Serbs can elect a genocidal butcher, then I have no doubt that we Americans can outdo our European breatheren and elect Bush for four more years of the same.

[heebyjeebus]

60. Yeah but you should know better

Well you see the difference Milosevic and Hitler have with Bush is that they were elected under times of great social and economic upheaval. The people of these nations mostly voted for these two jerks because they offered them their lives and jobs back. America, on the other hand, voted for Bush (well, technically they didnt) because the people there are raised on a culture of greed and, Republicanism is that defined. Hmm..I'm getting nervous.

[devinsgram]

18. Q, you do love to play

the devil's advocate.

[wyldwolf]

23. ya think?

Despite all that rhetoric he freely admits he'd never vote for the democrat if it weren't for Bush - leading me to wonder who he would vote for over Kerry. Nader? The libertarian? How about Pat Buchanan if he were in the race? Perot? Alan Keyes? Ralph "the joke" Nader?

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[wyldwolf]

28. Here's the quote - from you:

I said you wouldn't vote for THE democrat if it weren't for Bush - not "A" democrat. Big difference.

Here is your quote:

Honestly? Many, many of us wouldn't vote for Kerry if it wasn't for Bush*.

So, when you say "us" you don't include yourself? Of course you do. And isn't the democrat Kerry? Why, yes he is!

Thus, YOU wouldn't vote for the democrat if it weren't for Bush.

So, again, if Kerry's Republican opponnant were someone else, - say Buchanon, Delay, Gingrich, who WOULD you vote for?

[Q]

30. You're twisting my words...

...into some sort of wildass scenario. What it obviously means is that I would VOTE FOR ANOTHER DEMOCRAT. I will vote for the nominee (probably Kerry) because of Bush*. If not for Bush* I would vote for a more progressive candidate come November.

- Stop trying to make ME sound like the enemy...when it's the DLC that has forsaken its base and joined with the other side on many issues harmful to America.

[wyldwolf]

32. no I'm not. There is only one democrat running against Bush

YOU and your anti-Kerry posts ARE the enemy.

The base of the party has always been moderate so I have no idea what "base" you're referring to.

And, just to be clear, if the republican were someone other than Bush, you'd vote for someone other than THE democrat?

[Q]

35. How can a post be 'anti-Kerry' when I'm voting for him?

- That's one of the biggest problems with the 'small tent' DLCers. Any criticism MUST be coming from the 'ENEMY', anti-Democrat or anti-Kerry forces. How is this any better than the Neocons that demand that everyone step in line or be considered the 'enemy'?

- Sorry...but we're not going to bow and scrape to the DLC. In fact...Liberals and Progressives will fight to the end to make sure they fade into history as soon as November comes and goes. The DLC has weakened us and betrayed us. I'm a Democrat...not a 'new' Democrat. Do you even know the difference?

- The 'base of the party': the workers, minorities and the poor and the disenfranchised. The very people the DLC has abandoned because they can't help fill their campaign treasure chests. Perhaps this is why the DLCers didn't put up a fight for Gore and against election fraud in 2000? They don't care if the votes are counted as long as they have the 'ruling class' on their side.

[wyldwolf]

39. Duh!

You're feelings on the DLC are well known and you call Kerry the DLC candidate.

You called Kerry a "corporate stooge," and said if it were not for Bush (so I guess it could be any other republican) you wouldn't vote for Kerry.

That is an anti-Kerry sentiment.

Sorry...but we're not going to bow and scrape to the DLC. In fact...Liberals and Progressives will fight to the end to make sure they fade into history as soon as November comes and goes. The DLC has weakened us and betrayed us. I'm a Democrat...not a 'new' Democrat. Do you even know the difference?

Blah blah blah... let's see... a DLC presidential candidate was voted on by democratic voters is currently leading the white house race against Bush. National polls show democrats poised to retake the senate... but you and your "proooogreeeessssiiives" are going to fight to the end to make sure they (DLC) fade into history as soon as November comes and goes.... :eyes: bwahahahahaha!

The DLC has weakened us and betrayed us.

How so? Nevermind, you never provide proof when I ask, so why should I bother expecting you to provide evidence.

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[tom_paine]

51. I like wyldwolf but I'm afraid I agree with you, Ardee

The funny thing is, I am a Left-Center Moderate who SHOULD be very much in tune with the DLC.

But I'm not. The DLC counsels weakness and "turning the other cheek". They also use Bushevik Textbook Rhetorical Attacks on Liberals, which though I'm not one (it is a very noble appellation, in case anyone thinks I am running from that name, I find VERY disturbing.

For the reasons mentioned above, and in contrast to my general Moderation and equal distrust of both sides, I agree with you (except the personal sideswipes you took at wyldwolf, IMHO, I do NOT endorse that and as I said I generally like & respect him or her).

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[Ardee]

68. Ill try again

Apparently the neocons have a special place in the hearts of the mods here as they can get away with any amount of snide or snotty postings but when one attempts to counter them one gets bounced summarily.

If you are disturbed by the conduct of the DLC, if you fear that their strategies will lead the dems once more into the dumper as they did in '00 and '02, then you should be disturbed by one of their fiercest allies and supporters on this site. If you simply do a search on that posters history you will immediately note that he uses Limbaugh like tactics against any and all critics of his beloved neocon DLC.

Now, if you want to read some stuff from one who sounds exactly like an old time democrat, who writes and speaks to the issues in a way that no democrat on the national stage is doing consistently then you might click on:

votenader.org

[wyldwolf]

53. personal attacks?

awww...

Perhaps a bit of proof of your charges?

[Q]

24. Actually...I hate to play it...

...it's a diry job...but someone has to do it.

- What will it take to get the Democratic party angry enough to march on DC? Another terrorist attack? Martial law? Oops. Once martial law happens no one will be able to march or protest anything.

- I get the feeling that Dems are underestimating (once again) what the far righters will do in order to get and keep power.

[tom_paine]

58. I'm afraid I agree with you, Q

Would that it were not so.

[Mountainman]

21. Either we are going to win and put conservatism on the shelf

or we are in for the biggest screwing that this country has ever had.

If we keep a conservative government, I do believe we will have to declare marshal law. There will be nothing but fear, war, loss of rights and standard of living for us all. We will try to fight back but will be gunned down in the streets or thrown in prison. The cabal does not care about law as seen by their breaking of treaties and disregard for the Geneva Convention.

[Q]

26. You can't put neoconservatism on the shelf simply by winning...

...a presidential election. You saw how it worked during the Clinton administration. If they can't be in control...they block the Democratic agenda or force them into concession after concession.

- Neocons are at every level of government...including a majority of the SC. They're like cockroaches...getting close to controlling a majority of states and taking over federal benches. It will take literally decades to reverse this trend.

- We also need to retake congress...and make sure those who replace the neocons work for US instead of the fatcats who own international corporations and avoid paying taxes.

- America is already at a state of NATIONAL EMERGENCY. If Bush* thinks he's going to lose in November...it wouldn't take much more than a hint of terrorism for the Bushies to escalate to martial law.

[leftofthedial]

22. hard to believe

also hard to believe that thousands of "progressives" will fail to vote for the only viable alternative to the bushgang.

also hard to believe the tens of millions who won't vote at all.

[Q]

25. I don't know anyone that 'won't vote' this time around...

...because they understand the danger. But will voting be enough? It should go without saying that the system is rigged. What will Dems do if there's another 'close race'...but this time there's no 'recount' because of touch screens and no paper trail?

- Democrats don't seem prepared for a battle of dirty politics. Hell...we still believe in democracy and 'fair play'. The other side smirks at these ideals and hope that we continue to play by the rules as they stick the knife in our ribs and twist.

[leftofthedial]

45. sadly true

talk about hating us for our freedom

[Andy_Stephenson]

36. I wish to heck

I could twist your arm into writing me a stup speech Q.

You are always spot on.

[Q]

42. You have the writing skills...

...now you need the passion. Passion is what the right had when they impeached a president for lying about sex. It's what they had when they took control of congress in 94. It's what they had when they steamrolled the 2000 election and forced their right wing agenda down our throats.

- You have the passion...but these are difficult times. The party seems split in two: warmongerings versus anti-war activists. Those who think we should end 'welfare as we know it' and the social darwinists versus those who believe in social justice. Those who believe in public education for everyone versus elitist charter schools for those who can afford it. Those who believe in 'choice' versus those who would let the state decide.

- Many of us grow weary of watching OUR Democratic party bring a knife to a gunfight. It becomes even more difficult to 'believe' when we find out they left the 'gun' home on purpose.

[bigbillhaywood]

37. This race will be close no matter what, and that alone should be enough

to scare the shit out of us no matter who wins. The fact such a fascist could be elected at all, or even make a strong showing bodes poorly for America. I've said it before and I'll say it again-- if you think Kerry getting elected will fix things, you're nuts (it's a temporary defensive measure, nothing more, the fascists will continue to make headway if we do not stop them-- through more than the ballot box). We must stop them in our communities, our workplaces, the churces, in the culture. We must develop our own agenda, tirelessly organize for that agenda, and ruthlessly attack and rout the right-wingers. We must have vision, we must be willing to sacrifice short-term wins for long-term organizational goals. This is a "long war" and the fascists are winning. They have the vision, energy, organization and ruthlessness we lack. We need to fight back. No neutrals, no appeasing the center, no prisoners.

[sofa king]

43. I'm going to fight, but unlike the Republicans...

...I'm going to have a goddamned exit strategy, too.

The Bush Administration has proven a horrifying point: that Americans are just as apathetic, vengeful and ignorant as they have always been.

All that money we've blown on better nutrition, cleaner water, a healthier environment, better education--it didn't stack higher than elephant shit. In three and a half years we've watched the American people tolerate an election theft every bit as vile as the election of 1876; we've plunged headlong into a war every bit as corruptly orchestrated as the Mexican War of 1846-1848; we've re-fostered a jingoistic racism every bit as bad as that fostered against American Indians and the Japanese; we've allowed the press to fail us as dramatically as in 1898; we've surrendered our civil liberties as easily as we did in 1917.

And we let it all happen at once.

I'm sorry, America. I'm going to try as hard as I can to get you back, but if I fail, if we fail, we will be the new enemy. And I'm gonna GTFO before I find myself among the first against the wall. That's how important it is to me: I honestly fear that if we can't win this one, my country as I know and love it will cease to be.

[Q]

44. I can't leave my home...and America is my home...

...but I understand what you're saying and well said.

- I can't see any other option but for the Democrats to fight as if for the very survival of the party and democracy itself. By fight...I don't mean saying a bad word about Bush* once in a while and then run away when the battle gets bloody. This IS about survival...but many are satisfied with just showing up at the booth and voting for those the party chooses FOR them.

- Kerry has a lot of potential. But like Gore...he's holding in his passion on the advice of the DLCers who don't want to 'offend' those who may or MAY NOT vote for them.

[Selwynn]

46. Bush is "folksy"

There goes 50% of the American vote..... :eyes:

[tom_paine]

50. The Busheviks BETTER keep their thugs at home

I have vowed to be present at the next staged Brownshirt Phony "Spontaneous Riot".

I'm betting TENS OF THOUSANDS of Free Americans have taken that pledge.

Plane ticket to Miami? I'm there? Ohio? Kalamazoo, Michigan? I'm there.

You HEAR ME, BUSHEVIK FUCKS? Let me make it perfectly clear:

You have been SPOILED as NO NAZIS EVER WERE SPOILED by lack of opposition. But now, Free America is stepping off the bench on the field AND WE ARE MAD!

:grr: :grr: :grr:

Go ahead and try it, you (w)ussies! Try it one more time and SEE WHAT HAPPENS.

Up until now, you've gotten less resistance than the Nazis did.

THAT ENDS NOW!

Take this message to your Masters: Try that shit again in 2004. Try ANY Brownshirt intimidation or Phony Spontaneous Riots, and we'll see how you do against Free Americans & Veterans like me, tough Union Guys (who will kick your asses TWICE as HARD as I would) or some tough NAACP types (remember the end of Revenge of the Nerds, (w)ussies?, it's gonna something like that EXCEPT the "Nerds" are going to be pissed-off VETS instead of Poindexters)

Really. Seriuously. Truly.

Try it again. Go ahead. Try violence and Brownshirt Tactics against Democrats ONCE this time.

Free America will rise up and stop you, Totalitarian Bootlickers.

COUNT ON IT!

:grr: :grr: :grr:

[rucky]

52. O'queso lemme get this straight

about 50% of eligible voters will go to the polls. The others who don't I have no respect for.

Out of them, about 50% will vote for Bush - also no respect.

So if I'm at odds with 75% of the adult population in this country, does that make me a misanthrope?

having said that...it's pretty interesting that about 20% of the population will be deciding all this. I'm in. Fight.

[Q]

67. That less Americans vote each election is in direct proportion...

...to our loss of freedom and democracy itself. Those who show up at the polls know who they're going to vote for LONG before they 'pull the lever'. Contrary to what the bipartisan date rape DLCers say...there will be NO 'swing' voters in this election. Americans will either vote to continue what Bush* has wrought...or they'll choose a more sane direction.

- So then...out of those who DO bother to vote...a good portion of them will vote the party line. GOPers will vote for Bush* because he's all they have. Dems will vote for (Kerry) for the same reason. This has all the markings of a repeat of 2000...when an 'outside party' chose he who would be president*.

[RebelYell]

54. The way I look at it......

....You're either with 'em.....or your IQ is above 70.

I saw an article yesterday where they admitted there would be another terrorist attack before the elections and America wouldn't respond like Spain did. Yeah, they said it was going to happen. Get out the plastic and duct tape! Unfortunately, I'm new to boards and haven't learned to post a link yet, but I have it saved.

I certainly hope more Americans are smart enough to see what's happening and boot them out.

[redqueen]

55. Someone posted that article yesterday I think

I share your hope about Americans realizing how awful Bu$hco is, and I'm encouraged by the dearth of Bu$h/Chickenhawk stickers I've seen so far in D/FW.

Welcome to DU!
:hi:

[RebelYell]

56. Good.....

....that kind of info needs to get out to as many people as possible.

If we ARE attacked, then Bush STILL should be kicked out because he didn't do his job TWICE.

I'm happy to be here and thanks for the welcome.

[opihimoimoi]

57. A Hearty Welcome Aboard Rebel Yell.

[Q]

64. Yes...welcome...

- The article you mentioned could be called a self-fulfilling prophecy. The Bushies have spread the propaganda to their faithful that the TERRORISTS CAUSED SPAIN to vote the Bush* cronies out of office. They can't accept the fact that the people of Spain were just as fed up with their leadership as we are with ours.

- So now Bush* is intimating that IF a terrorist attack happens on our soil BEFORE the election...Americans are WITH the terrorists if they don't vote for him. It just doesn't get any more FASCIST than this.

[heebyjeebus]

59. Trinity Broadcasting Network is here for you Heathen

A televangelist named Jeff something has an entire show devoted to pro bush, pro war preaching, trying to link modern political policy with the Bible, weaving lies and ridiculous statistics lambasting the Clinton Administration and generally being fascist as hell. So how come stuff like that is on obscure tv channels on sunday mornings across the US is acceptable, while factual, informative filmmaking like Fahrenheit 9/11 is being held back to the public. Land of the free...to shut up and eat what you're fed.

[Q]

65. We're witnessing the return of the 'divine right' of Kings...

...something the Founders fled to a new land to escape. Bush* the king and dictator can do no wrong and rules by decree. If he declares it's his duty to fight evil...we must all follow him or be cast of the 'enemy of the state'.

- Too many Dems seem to fear being called an enemy of the state by...enemies of the state.

[KamaAina]

61. Millions more will vote for Diana or Fantasia

in place of Jasmine Trias, the true American Idol, who now has her own phrase: "Jasmania!" (similar to "Joementum :-) ) splashed across the front page out here.

Fans of various defeated mainland contestants are crying foul because, with the time difference, Hawai'i voters have easier access to open phone lines. Who says Florida's the only warm state that knows how to rig an election? :-)

The point? Yes, there is one: Millions of people are actually more outraged about what happened to LaToya London than they are about what happened to Al Gore.

Contemplate your bellybuttons... Om..... Ommmmmmmmm.....

[KoKo]

63. Agree, We will have to fight for our lives with this election. Polls lull

us into complacency. Sort of like turning off the TV when the score for our team is in double digits. Turns out things can change very easily if one tunes out too soon. You can't get that switch...we won't be in the "cheering section" for this one, if our guess is wrong,though.

Caution and hard work. If only our "candidate" would give us something to rally round, that is. :-(

[Q]

66. And then we have Dems so afraid of Bush's* shadow...

...that they're willing to accept a Republican VP if it improves their chance of 'winning'. But what good does it do to win the universe if you lose your soul in the process?

- I've been a Dem for thirty years because I believe that the People deserve at least equal representation with the 'ruling class'. But since the 80s we've seen the rise of the 'new democrats' and the sinking of the 'party of the people'. Unions have been weakened to the point of uselessness. Worker's rights and wages are losing ground as the Corporation rakes in record profits and treat their employees like slaves.

- We've witnessed a complete reversal in environmental protections and regulations. Oil wells are being drilled on sacred Indian burial grounds. The amounts and types of chemicals spewing into our air and water have been classified as a state secret. Women's rights have been smashed...as has the wall that used to separate church and state.

- How much more will the New Dem party give away in exchange for a chance to 'win'?