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GCP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 07:12 AM
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"Religion: The Pop Prophets" - this is what we're up against, folks
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4988269/

Tim LaHaye and Jerry B. Jenkins of the "Left Behind " series.

They're an odd couple, for sure: LaHaye, the golden-ager in polyester, veteran culture warrior and cofounder of the Moral Majority; Jenkins, the bearded baby boomer in jeans, best known (until now) for channeling the autobiographies of such Christian athletes as Orel Hershiser. They're also, arguably, the most successful literary partnership of all time. And if you define success in worldly terms, you can drop the "arguably." Their Biblical techno-thrillers about the end of the world are currently outselling Stephen King, John Grisham and every other pop novelist in America. It's old-time religion with a sci-fi sensibility: the Tribulation timetable comes from LaHaye; the cell phones, Land Rovers—and characters struggling with belief and unbelief—come from Jenkins. And their contrasting sensibilities suggest the complexities of the entire evangelical movement, often seen as monolithic.

The first volume, "Left Behind" (1995), kicks off with the Rapture—the sudden snatching up of millions of the faithful into heaven—and subsequent volumes follow airline pilot Rayford Steele and journalist Buck Williams, left behind to tough it out down here on earth through the seven-year Tribulation and the rule of the Antichrist. The 12th and final installment (not counting a planned sequel and prequel), called "Glorious Appearing," has the return of Jesus, the battle of Armageddon and the Judgment. It sold almost 2 million copies even before its March publication; it's still tied for No. 2 on The New York Times's list—which doesn't count sales at Christian bookstores. In all, the "Left Behind" books have sold more than 62 million copies.

Who's buying? Jenkins recalls a puzzled Chris Matthews asking a "Hardball" guest the same question. "I'm sure I don't have the quote exact, but it was something like 'Certainly not the people in the cities and the suburbs.' And I'm thinking, 'What does that leave? Barefoot people in the hollers handling snakes?'" Jenkins takes issue with a previous NEWSWEEK piece that called "Left Behind" a "Red State" phenomenon, but statistics from the publisher, Tyndale, bear this out: 71 percent of the readers are from the South and Midwest, and just 6 percent from the Northeast. (Hence Tyndale's sponsorship of a NASCAR racer, with the unlucky logo left behind.) The "core buyer" is a 44-year-old born-again Christian woman, married with kids, living in the South. This isn't the "Sex and the City" crowd—which helps explain why it took so long for the media to notice that one in eight Americans was reading all these strange books about the end of the world.

These people and the morons who read their "books" are responsible for a lot of what's wrong with this country nowadays. The us-versus-them, and black-and-white view of what's happening in the world make the US look like a toddler out of control to the rest of the civilized nations.

It embarrasses the hell out of me that these books are best sellers here. I only hope they don't start appealing to the more intellectually challenged in other countries.
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Merlin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 07:25 AM
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1. Vast exaggeration of the size of the populace reading this crap
The fact is about 43 million of these books have been sold. But there have been, I think, 12 different books. The cult readers are repeat buyers.

That means there are 43,000,000 / 12 or 3 million readers, or about ONE PERCENT of the population reading this bullshit, NOT "one in eight" as this article says.
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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 07:28 AM
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3. 3 million is 3 million too many. These are the loony fanatics
who are expecting to find the clothing of those "raptured" left behind in a pile. I cannot believe they accept nudity even in rapture.
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Trinity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 08:38 AM
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17. I would not get too worried...
Edited on Sun May-16-04 08:43 AM by Trinity
I used to :eyes: it's just like that Edward guy (the one who talks to the dead) I consider myself a skeptic (subscribe to Skeptical Inquirer and Free Inquiry) and both magazines go nuts over this edward guy and slam the SciFi channel for showing him. Then after some thought :think: , "HE'S ON THE SCIFI CHANNEL DUDES!!!" SCIFI SCI FI FICTION and if people can't tell the difference between fact and fiction :shrug:




maybe it's just me :eyes:

Edit: just to state that my sister fits that southern born again woman with children but she's 50 something and she did read the first few then gave up on the rest and she never read them as "The Truth" ;-)



Peace? :hippie: :smoke: :freak:
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thinkingwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 08:31 AM
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16. thanks for pointing this out...AND...
there are no doubt instances of fanatics buying copies for everyone they know as a conversion tool!

Seriously, the per book purchase ratio is much much below one in eight.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 07:28 AM
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2. Flo Conway, Jim Siegleman wrote HOLY TERROR back in 1980
It will explain many things about the Fundie movement, esprcially the Televangalists. But I believe Tim and Bev are mentioned even back then.
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 08:06 AM
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9. Yes, Tim & Bev go back a ways...
He was one of the first Fundies to appear on my Northeasterner-exCatholic radar back in the late 70's, with some creatioist-pushing activism and cozying up with the Reagan wing of the Republicans.
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displacedtexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 07:29 AM
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4. The Church Of the God of Tammy Faye Baker...
That's who's reading this crap and spewing hatred.

After all, who wouldn't worship a god who rewards "the faithful" with a $14,000 dog house?
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Texican Donating Member (164 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 07:30 AM
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5. I Know a Bunch of Them
I really do know a Republican precinct chairman that believes this stuff is real. He makes Bob look smart. The holy crusade in the middle east is supposed to bring about the end times. Since everyone is going to die anyway, who cares about slaughter, torture, and rape. The boys are just doing god's will. You will notice that not one fundie preacher is screaming about the torture. It is a minor point to them.
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TexasProgresive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 08:01 AM
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8. They are trying to lead God by the nose-
The end times will come at the bidding of God and not by the machinations of people. This is a typical case of idolatry.
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lil-petunia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 07:41 AM
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6. Pop Profits, or prophets?
They are worse than morons. they pose a grave danger. They vote (turn-outs of over 78% for people of their ilk have been estimated to turn out regularly) they vote with their dollars (A Planned Parenthood construction site is being boycotted by these creeps, even though construction jobs are hard to come by, they can't find anyone to build it) and they brainwash their young.

Remember that the vast majority of text books come from Texas "origin" - their brain dead school book approval commission purchases the largest amount of skul books a year, making their editorial demands very powerful indeed. These are the creeps that were pushing the teaching of creationism's latest revival opposite of evolution and genetics.
Those that don't like science or math being taught to their young'uns home school them. Which is even worse.

Ever spend any serious time in a meeting with these kind of people? Some are extremely successful in bizniz, but man, talk about religious fervor and screwed up beliefs, they are scary.

Much like cross word puzzles are brain candy for those who like to exercise their minds, these books are proof positive , a pleasant reinforcement that only their view of the world is correct, and the rest of us, (mainly everyone on this BB) will perish in hell.
See ya all there. I'll be the one drinking and raising up a storm.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 07:43 AM
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7. 44 YO "born again" Christian women should stick to romance novels
Can't you just see them reading this tripe, eating Cheetohs and sucking on their cigarettes, enthralled by Biblically-induced visions of death and destruction, knowing that they of course will escape via the glorious Rapture.

Jeez, what some people won't do to brighten up their dreary existence. And they never realize their contribution to the horrors in the world brought about by their brainwashed beliefs.

Sickening.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 08:13 AM
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10. Interesting thread.
Of course, many people are watching "reality" shows on tv. There is ample evidence that millions of Americans are looking for anything, no matter how pathetic, to take their mind off of the reality of their everyday lives.
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stopthegop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 08:16 AM
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11. careful...off message...
you neglected to slam people who don't beleive as you do, and state they are stupid....that's a rule in this thread...didn't you read the posts prior to yours?
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Nobody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 08:21 AM
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12. Regarding the Left Behind series....
Was this what George really meant when he said "No Child Left Behind"? Considering how much funding hits the school systems are taking nationwide, I wonder.

And by the way, they've made movies of at least the first two books in the series.
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oldlady Donating Member (513 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 08:21 AM
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13. ummmm...I know some who are voting Democrat this year
who read these books.
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GCP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 08:26 AM
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15. That's great news!
And welcome to DU, oldlady - from another old lady! :hi:
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SheilaT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 08:26 AM
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14. I read a lot myself, and always have a book or two
with me. Often at restaurants I read while waiting for food to arrive. And sometimes while I'm actually eating. Every so often a conversation with the server about what I'm reading and books to read starts. The "Left Behind" series seems to be a favorite with people who work in such places as Waffle House. I've found that those people don't seem to be very good at distinguishing between reality and the made-up world of a novel, which is exactly what LeHaye and Jenkins intend: a fictional world that is accepted as reality.

I recall spotting the first book in a bookstore in 1995, and at first glance being quite excited about the premise. Then I read the first several paragraphs and realized IMMEDIATELY that it was pushing a fundamentalist message, put it down and have never been tempted since. I should probably read them just to know what they are portraying, but even the first few paragraphs were so poorly written as to make me wonder how something like that actually got published. Besides, there are more books out there I want to read than I have time for.
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Mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 08:46 AM
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18. "a 44-year-old born-again Christian woman, married with kids, living in
the South."

Hey I hear this woman call in to C-SPAN every morning. Woman, "I support our president. I am so glad we have a good Christian man in the White House who gets down on his knees and prays to God every night." "George Bush talks to God."

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