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Emillereid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 02:35 PM
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 Could N. Berg's execution be fake?, Pravda article about the Berg video


Given the incomprehensible jungle of information, the very first question, when viewing this video of an American civilian, N. Berg"s execution, should be whether it is even true?   
There appear to be a few problems with it, casting doubt on its authenticity.  If these questions aren"t answered, one should be wary of the entire matter and be advised not to give in to the patriotic blindness brought on by the emotional charge this video packs.   



Consider these inconsistencies with the video before making up your mind: 



1) CIA claims it has examined the video and concluded that the hooded figure is Zaqrawi, a high level al-Qaeda operative.  However, anyone who has seen the video will attest to the fact that there is no way to identify anyone from it, including the victim.  Second, according to an US military report in April "03, Zaqrawi was killed in the bombing of Falluja.  CIA does not elaborate whether Zaqrawi has magically sprung back to life or whether the April report was wrong. 



2) The US media claimed that Zaqrawi lost a leg in 2001.  Now, it says that he did not lose his leg after all.  This flip flop seems too coincidental as the purported figure in the video doesn"t appear handicapped.  The US does not elaborate on which intelligence is wrong. 
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This article aims at proving or alleging nothing.  The point is to provoke doubt and hopefully stave off a few readers from becoming an easy emotional target and a news puppet.   



Pater Havlasa



Editor, eBigBang.com

http://english.pravda.ru/mailbox/22/101/397/12790_Berg.html

I don't have an opinion -- but just like the editor of Pravda, I am keeping an open mind. This death was just a little too convenient for the Buhsits.
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lovedems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 02:40 PM
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1. There isn't a doubt in my mind the video is real. He is dead and was
buried.

The circumstances surrounding the death, the inconsistencies coming from the administration, etc. That's another story.

This is to convenient and begs to be looked into by an honest source.
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JPZenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 02:41 PM
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2. Bullshit
1. The body was recovered and flown back to the U.S. for a funeral. I think the local funeral home can tell how he died.

2. The news reports were that the person was identified by voice prints. That seems perfectly logical to me - particularly because the U.S. was able to listen in on Al Queda conversations on satellite telephones during the 1990s.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 02:44 PM
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3. Yes and our government would never lie to us, would they?
I don't doubt Berg was killed, nor do I doubt he was beheaded as I saw what I saw on the video..the rest of the circumstances and WHO ACTUALLY did it are in question.
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pagerbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 02:46 PM
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5. Undertakers are not coroners
Yes, he's dead. Yes, he's been beheaded. There are theories, however, that he was already dead when he was beheaded.
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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 03:01 PM
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6. Not Really
1. Funeral homes don't determine cause of death, medical examiners do.
The funeral home could tell that he was decapitated, and that's it.

2. Do you really beleive that they could get an accurate voice print
when someone is wearing a hood that covers their mouth?

3. And it was the same CIA who said Zaqawri died in Fallujah.

4. The "liberal media" kept insisting that his leg was amputated
at an Iraqi hospital to make a Iraqi/al Qaeda connection. And
now a year later they were wrong, that's bullshit!!!

Now for you

1. Why has it been reported by those that have watched the video, that
now seems to be hard to find, that there was no blood spurting when he
was killed? Which can be expected when the carotid artery is cut.

2. And why didn't he struggle when they started cutting him with the knife? You would think that he would have resisted, but nothing.

3. The e-mail to his parents saying that he was in US military custody, which the military now denies. The military saying he was in the custody of Iraqi police, who deny they ever had him.

These are very interesting questions that still remain to be answered.
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MsUnderstood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 02:44 PM
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4. video is real, intelligence is flawed
The video is real--maybe we should be questioning the intelligence involved. The same intelligence that told us:

NOthing before 9/11
Iraq was involved in 9/11
Iraq has WMD
Iraq is making plans for WMD
etc.

Why should we trust the intelligence when the government doesn't trust it and uses it to publish false information.
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Emillereid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 04:43 PM
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7. No one doubting that there is a video of 'something' --
but what the video seemed to depict or shows is open to real questions. Pravda poses 8 serious questions about what we think we see or what this administration says we see on the video. Check out the link. I would like some serious responses refuting or answering the questions posed. The medical questions are legitimate as are the questions about Zagrawi's connection. I mean this guy is taking on mythic status by now -- he seems omnipresent; has presumably risen from the dead; grown a new limb. Is he really the bad guy behind so much mayhem that the CIA says he is ... or, the perfect fall guy?
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