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phillybri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 08:38 AM
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Why I can respect McCain, but not Lieberman or Miller...
Edited on Fri May-14-04 08:39 AM by phillybri
The simplest explanation is that I KNOW McCain is a Republican and I accept that. A lot of his views don't jive with mine, but I can live with that. He speaks his mind, and if he pisses me off, so be it.

With Lieberman and Miller, they both seem to have ZERO interest in the Democratic party and what it stands for. How do you call these two Democrats???

Another poster drew a comparison between "conservative Democrats" and "appeasement Democrats".

Conservative Democrats (Bayh, Breaux, Landrieu, etc...) don't agree with us all the time, but they never actively whore for the other side. Neither does McCain. Also, we know they can be counted on for the good of the party.

Appeasement Democrats (Miller, Lieberman) lift their tails for the other side and never offer up our party as the sensible alternative. They're too busy bucking for positions in the Cabinet of a second Bush term...
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dedhed Donating Member (353 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 08:41 AM
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1. Here, here! Well said!! n/t
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 08:43 AM
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2. Agreed
I can respect a man who stands for something that he believes in.McCain is that type when he says he won't bash Kerry but Miller is dispicable and LIEberman well I danced in the street when he dropped out of the race.Got banned in a couple of streams for it too.
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 08:44 AM
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3. Lieberman
I wonder how much of his frustration is sour grapes. But it's clear that he's always had different views on Iraq than most Democrats. I'd like to look at his voting record on domestic/economic issues to see how that falls out.

As for Miller, he should just give it up and become a Republican.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 08:56 AM
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5. Other than Iraq
Other than the Mess-o-potamia, Lieberman is a fairly good Democrat.
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sundancekid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 09:02 AM
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6. though an older article, this will give some important clues
on his voting record as traced by the ACLU

http://www.motherjones.com/news/mustreads/2000/08/081200.html
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phillybri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 10:48 AM
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9. 25% and 33%...Pretty shabby...
IMHO
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sundancekid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 05:30 PM
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10. EXACTLY my conclusions after reading story
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 08:46 AM
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4. Zell Miller is clueless
He said something about how Americans can be indignant about an Iraqi with women's underwear on his head, but apathetic about an American with no head at all.

What a dork. He hasn't been paying attention. Can we please exile him to some country club so he doesn't bother anyone anymore?
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RedEagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 09:08 AM
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7. Ghosts in McCain's Closet?
Don't know about this site as to accuracy, but the story on McCain appears to have come from the media.

http://www.the-catbird-seat.net/Lawyers.htm
(Scroll down)

February 29, 2000

Pluck, leaks helped McCain to overcome S&L scandal

By Walter V. Robinson, Globe Staff

A decade ago, Senator John McCain's role in the most politically corrosive episode of the $150 billion savings and loan debacle threatened to end a political career that now holds some promise of concluding instead with a McCain presidency.

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He was a close friend and early congressional ally of Charles H. Keating Jr. - the figure at the core of scandal - and one of the leading beneficiaries of Keating's political and personal largesse. Yet, he benefited from decisions by the Senate Ethics Committee that minimized his culpability and the resulting sanction.

And there is evidence that McCain averted major damage to his public image with well-choreographed news leaks from his office that undermined three of the four other senators caught up in the controversy. In 1992, McCain denied under oath that he or his aides had anything to do with the leaks.


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But in an interview this month, Clark B. Hall, a former FBI agent and congressional investigator who led the GAO investigation, told the Globe he had no doubt, after doing scores of interviews and obtaining documentary evidence, that McCain was one of the principal leakers. But Hall said the Ethics Committee ''smoothed it over.''

''You don't betray other people to protect yourself, and that's what he was doing,'' Hall said. ''And he was breaking Senate rules to do it.'' The targets of the leaks were Democrats Dennis DeConcini of Arizona, Alan Cranston of California, and Donald Riegle of Michigan. (In the end, DeConcini and Riegle would be sharply criticized by the committee; Cranston drew a formal reprimand.) ...


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During the Ethics Committee investigation, one of the leaked stories that benefited McCain reported that DeConcini and Riegle, at Keating's behest, had lobbied the White House for Henkel's appointment. But in a little noticed finding in its final report, the committee reported that McCain had, too.

Alone among the five senators, McCain counted Keating as a personal friend; their families vacationed together from 1983 to 1986 - the four years McCain served in the House - flying to Keating's private retreat in the Bahamas aboard corporate aircraft paid for by Keating's company.

In 1986, McCain's wife, Cindy, and her father, James W. Hensley, also invested $359,100 in a Phoenix shopping mall developed by a subsidiary of Keating's American Continental Corp.

But the Senate Ethics Committee decided that the vacation subsidies were House matters - outside its jurisdiction. The committee did not consider the mall investment germane. Nor was it troubled by McCain's lobbying for Henkel.

With public hearings looming, the bipartisan panel - three members from each party - split over whether to follow the urging of its counsel, Robert M. Bennett, that the case against McCain and Glenn be dropped. The committee Democrats resisted, and McCain has long insisted they did so because he was the sole Republican among the five and they feared that a pared-down ''Keating Three'' would be recast as a Democratic scandal.

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''The meetings themselves were wrong and should not have occurred. The five senators involved put undue and inappropriate pressure on regulators,'' Wertheimer said. The meetings, Common Cause argued in 1990, were ''seemingly designed to put the maximum senatorial pressure on the board to accede to Keating's wishes.''

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But at both meetings, first with Gray and then with thrift regulators flown in from San Francisco, McCain looked on as DeConcini pushed the regulators to give Lincoln a dispensation on a board regulation that barred further risky investments - a ban that Lincoln had already exceeded by $600 million.

Two years later, Gray told a House committee that the meetings were an attempt to ''subvert'' the regulatory process.

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But Dowd, McCain's attorney, said McCain ''did nothing improper, and he didn't know that...DeConcini was going to misbehave.''...

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trogdor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 09:19 AM
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8. We need our conservative Dems.
Not the whores, just the conservative Dems. It's like that episode of Star Trek where Kirk got split in two by a malfuntioning transporter, and his "good" half was in charge of the ship. We need the "bad" half to function effectively.
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