EVERY Du researcher MUST see this thread in LBN !!! NOW

[T Bone]

get here asap, look at what is turning up? I think Elsewhere's Daughter and NNHolH1 MAY be on something big. It may explain suppression of further photos from Iraq !!!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x553455#553840

hope that link works...

LOOK AT ALL THE PHOTOS DOWN THRU THE END ONF THE THREAD. They need more that have been posted previously !!!

[freetobegay]

1. I don't get it?

What am I missing?

[Minstrel Boy]

2. the wall, the runner, the floor, the chair...

they're identical.

[Kazak]

22. The floors are different...

and I don't see a baseboard at all in the picture with the executioners, but the walls are definitely the same shade.

[Minstrel Boy]

34. Berg is on a rug or some floor covering.

It's more evident in some of the more gruesome images.

[Unperson 309]

53. What better Way

To make cleanup easier than to put a tarp or rug down before beheading someone.

After all, if the floor is concrete, it'd be damned hard to get blood out so.....

Which explains the presence of the rug in the video. But not in the prison.

309

[Redleg]

3. That shit is freaking me out.

I can't deal with it.

[Minstrel Boy]

4. bringing the pics over:

Thanks to ElsewheresDaughter for catching the runner.

[Kazak]

26. Is that the baseboard you can see in the top picture?

...between the cell doorways?

[Minstrel Boy]

32. Yes, that's what I'm looking at. n/t

[Sterling]

28. The chair is EXACLY the same!!!

WTF!!!!!!!!!!

[rocktop15]

5. That's freaky

I just tried explaining to a freeper buddy on AIM and he thinks what I'm saying is "stupid" and just a coincidence.

[Rick Myers]

6. Jeebus H. Crispies!!!

The boys in those pix were surely doing something very somber and bizzare!!! Holy Effing shiite!!!!!!!

I'm sick...

[rumguy]

7. white chair, yellow walls

doesn't mean he was killed at the prison...

He could have killed at any abandoned govt. building - I have a feeling there a lot of white chairs and yellow walls in Iraq...

[oldhat]

9. The chair

The chair killed Berg!

[Tinoire]

19. Yeah yeah, rah rah boom die aye!

What is it about this board that attracted you?

What a strange post. Wes Clark suporters, with very few suspicious exceptions, usually bring something meaningful to the discussion.

[Must_B_Free]

23. tin

they are using this ridicule technique far too much - it's overtly obvious. Interesting thing is, you can tell by their activity when their "shift" is over. For example, yesterday, the ridiculers were gone, all together, but they are back on duty today.

[Alerter_]

60. Wes Clark should investigate School of the Americans to find who tortures

That would surely set up Wesley Clark as the obvious choice for VP - IF he can get to the bottom of this scandal in "military intelligence" who are using disgusting sexual torture and humiliating to "break" Arabs - using the techniques that were used against Central and South Americans in the 1980s under Bush Sr.

I would really respect Clark for that!

[Minstrel Boy]

10. Did you notice the dark brown runner on the bottom of the walls?

It's there in both the Berg stills and Abu Ghraib.

[rumguy]

14. I'm not seeing the runner in the berg vid

[Must_B_Free]

25. I'm not seeing the runner in the berg vid pic either

can anyone explain what was noticed??

[Beetwasher]

12. True

Personally im not concluding anything, but its still pretty fucking freaky. What the hell would Al Quaed be doing in ANY Govt building in Iraq though? Could they hold him hostage in a govt building for long and cut his head off there?

The terrorists certainly do have similar physiques, Berg was definitely in US custody and now it seems he might have been in a building w/ similar furniture and walls to the prison enmeshed in scandal for torture...

Its just fucked up, I dont even want to think about it myself.

[rumguy]

16. I admit there are unanswered questions

[Wonk]

13. You're correct, but it does make me go "Hmmmm, that's odd, imho...." nt

[Eloriel]

27. One of the things I heard since this became public was that

Abu Ghraib was refurbished, incl. new paint, by the military before we moved our operations in there.

[hedda_foil]

37. That's correct. Al Ghraib was completely revamped last summer

before they moved the prisoners in. All clean and remodeled by the US guvmint. This isn't standard Iraqi government issue (circa Saddam) but freshly painted and rehabbed to US standards.

[Minstrel Boy]

39. Yes, the US repainted Abu Ghraib:

Reuters, August 2003:

"As US forces pursue Saddam Hussein and his supporters throughout Iraq, military police on Monday opened the doors of Baghdad Central Penitentiary, a renovated prison where those caught may soon end up. The jail, a repainted and renamed version of the old Abu Ghraib Prison...."

http://aljazeerah.info/News%20archives/2003%20News%20archives/August/5%20n/US%20carves%20new%20prison%20out%20of%20notorious%20Iraqi%20jail.htm

[rumguy]

42. did they use standard issue iraqi paint that was laying around

or did they ship in US paint?

[rumguy]

8. what is the black runner?

I'm not seeing that....

[oldhat]

11. The chair

The chair took the black runner from the pictures to cover up the fact that the chair did it.

[Dookus]

17. That's not a chair....

i read on a blog that it spoke two words of futon. It's clearly just PRETENDING to be a chair. Fuckin' blackops.

[bobbyboucher]

31. Nice job,

keep up the bad work.

[Minstrel Boy]

15. Along the bottom of the walls.

Look around the captors feet. The yellow wall changes colour. And look at the top Abu Ghraib pic. Same thing, along the bottom of the wall.

[Minstrel Boy]

30. I think the runner is clearer in this pic:

The yellow colour of the wall does not extend all the way to the floor. There is a darker band that comes up to the captors' ankles.

[Must_B_Free]

45. I personally don't see it

I think to the left of 2:44 above there is an appearance of the band, but it is shadow. On the left, where the rug is rolled upthere is clearly no baseboard.

[maggrwaggr]

18. It's silly. The floor is a different color

and you can bet that's the Iraqi equivalent of "institutional green" on the walls.

The chairs can be found anywhere. I'm sure Halliburton brought over a few gazillion of 'em.

C'mon, folks, calm down. It's not the same place.

[Beetwasher]

20. Theres a rug on the floor in the Berg pic

You can see it rolled up on the left.

[rumguy]

24. is it a rug or a tarp of some kind?

[Tinoire]

21. You know what though my friend- Leave NO clue unturned

;)

[RapidCreek]

51. you don't know what color the floor is because it has a

maroon mat or rug on it....which itself is pretty strange....when you consider the fact that it is roughly the same color as the blood that didn't spurt from bergs neck when it was being cut.

RC

[dsewell]

29. This thread makes me embarrassed to be a DU poster

Any of you folks remember the Washington-area sniper case of two years ago? Remember how it was reported that a white panel van had been sighted at the time of one or two shootings, and pretty soon people were remembering all sorts of white panel vans in the vicinity of subsquent shootings. And of course it turned out that the snipers were in an entirely different vehicle, and people thought a bit and realized that you see white panel vans all the time in any urban area.

Two separate incidents of abuse are not brought into proximity by the shared occurrence of a white plastic chair (in a model of which I had four myself, until they fell apart), a vaguely yellow wall, and a runner that may or may not be visible in both cases.

There are genuine questions to be asked about the circumstances of Berg's disappearance and death, but I don't think they're going to be solved by amateurs looking at low-res video caps and online reproductions of photos, and finding in them pretty much anything they want to see, like Linus and Charlie Brown staring at the clouds and seeing the apostle Paul on the one hand or a duckie and a horsie on the other.

[bobbyboucher]

33. Then leave.

sorry yo're embarrased. NOT.

[Wonk]

35. That's life. (Just making a silly joke about your avatar ;-) ) nt

[oblivious]

36. I dunno. Their investigative skills have impressed the hell out of me.

I'm sure this is the same process the CIA and FBI are going through in their analysis -- examining the video, looking for clues. Why you would object is beyond me.

[rooboy]

40. Yeah, you're absolutely right...

In fact, I have a white plastic chair and and orange wall at my house. Unfortunately though, I don't have anyone in custody who might coincidentally get beheaded at someone else's house which also has a white chair and orange walls.

How stupid of us to think the 2 might be connected... :eyes:

[Hell Hath No Fury]

44. Well ya better get used to it...

because DUers are often on the leading edge of what is REALLY going on in the Bush Universe.

And when a controversial thread is started that makes folks' heads spin, inevitably, someone drops by with a "Stop it, your embarrassing me/us!" post.

My advice to you?

Learn to deal with the foil or exit stage left.

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demodewd (513 posts) Thu May-13-04 11:25 PM
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Questions & Observations re: Berg beheading


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1. Both Drudge and Aljazeera report that "ööA body found on Monday by US military patrol along a roadside over the weekend was identified as Berg's."
ALJAZEERA
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/C6F93CE0-8FCB-425E-BD40-672B38C...


Note the confused reporting in this direct quote, "on Monday", "over the weekend", by US military patrol. Was it found on Monday or over the weekend--which one? Does this make sense to anyone? Or was someone scrambling a press release (in panic) of wording that was hastily contrived, and uncertain themselves about how the facts would compare to the report. VAGUE TIMING BEGS THE QUESTION, WHEN WAS THIS BODY REALLY FOUND?

Secondly, how was the body identified as "Berg's", if it was headless? Or was it? How do you quickly identify a body without a head?

Third, WHO were the U.S. forces that found it? Were they the same ones involved in his illegal detention?

2. HERE IS THE SMOKING GUN: If the body was found on Monday (May 10th), or previously "over the weekend" (prior), how could the execution and video be taped on May 11th, as is reported?

"The statement in the video was signed off with Zarqawi's name and dated 11 May" (Drudge and Aljazeerah).

An Arab magic trick indeed...to be able to execute a man on video tape ("May 11"), AFTER HIS BODY IS FOUND BY US FORCES, on "May 10th"!!!!! The video is not the only thing that appears fuzzy!!

3. The video was dated May 11th, typical Judeo-Masonic (CIA/MOSSAD) signature and M.O., like 9/11, and the recent 3/11 in Spain. Sorry, there is an M.O. to this "terrorism" that matches that of government psy-ops! Funny how they never mention the obvious pattern of dating isn't it? And the "terrorist" signed his name to the video, though they wore hoods and masks! (Why?)

4. Berg's father filed law suit against the illegal detention of their son....and, bingo, he was released the next day (but not very popular we can be certain)!
"His father, filed a lawsuit on 5 April stating Berg was being held illegally by the US military in Iraq. The next day Berg was released." Aljazeera and Drudge

5. The Guatanamo Bay type US issue prison suit is very suspicious! Either he was handed over to the alleged "terrorists" in it--meaning US forces complicity to rid them of an American "dissident"--or the executions are Government--i.e. CIA (well-fed, lily white hands, hooded...but leaving the name of the executioner?)!

6. According to the video clock notations in the film, the "execution" took place between 13:46 and 13:47....apparently around 1:46 to 1:47 pm. Why is the video time not in Arabic? Do Arabs use military time?
<http://www.drudgereport.com/iiraq3.htm >

7. "God is great".....typical propaganda to libel militant Muslim jihaders with the crime, while they have lily white hands, their victim in US issue prison clothes, and video time in US military English!

8. The TIMING of this event being reported to the American public, on May 11th evening (note how quickly this went to full-blown news coverage by 6:30pm EDT on the very day of the execution......fast......and conveniently. Even MORE remarkable is how this was reported to Congress (not sure when) during WORK HOURS IN SESSION, precisely as the Pentagon, Rumsfeld, etc., were being grilled, and Senators were investigation the horrific prisoner abuse, and who was behind it! TALK ABOUT WELL-COORDINATED AND EXPEDITED 1) EXECUTION 2) BODY FOUND, IDENTIFIED, 3)NOTIFICATION OF KIN, 4) REPORTED TO CONGRESS...5) RELEASE IN FULL DETAIL WITH VIDEO TO NETWORK NEWS..........ALL IN ONE AMAZING DAY!!!!!

Is that a credible timetable WITHOUT government involvement? The 9/11 "hijackers" were not even identified for a couple days....but this one is instantly solved, and we are expected to swallow it whole without choking!

8. The pattern of US government information, from Bush, the Pentagon, Jessica Lynch, justification for Iraq, the "911" story is a HISTORY OF PROVEN LIES AND FALSEHOODS FOR POLITICAL ENDS!!! So why should ANYONE believe this!!

This is the most inaccurate combination of facts of any realistic scenario of an execution and identification of who did it--contrived in panic and haste to deflect the outcoming of literal "war crimes" by US forces--that would not be sustained in any court of law, except that of the naive and brainwashed American mind, that has a Yankee flag wrapped around its eyes and ears!



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Video timestamp salvorhardin May-13-04 11:41 PM #1
Someone posted a lot about this earlier.... LynzM May-13-04 11:53 PM #3
Thanks! Must have missed it. salvorhardin May-14-04 12:11 AM #4
lingua franca misanthropist May-14-04 12:16 AM #5
And, AND NecessaryOnslaught May-13-04 11:51 PM #2


salvorhardin (150 posts) Thu May-13-04 11:41 PM
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1. Video timestamp


The question regarding the numbers used on the videotape doesn't pan out as roman numerals are the lingua franca of electronic displays as so many of them are used. I doubt there are any companies making character generator chips which output arabic numerals.

However, regarding the timestamp itself, I haven't seen anyone pick up on how it so wildly skips around. The early part of the tape bears timestamps indicating it took place between 1 AM and 2 AM then the execution is indeed timestamped about 15 minutes before 2 PM, but then when the executioner is holding up the severed head, the timestamp jumps back to between 1 AM and 2 AM.

I already deleted my copy of the video so I can't be more accurate.


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LynzM (957 posts) Thu May-13-04 11:53 PM
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3. Someone posted a lot about this earlier....


They analyzed it and felt that it was two cameras, with the videos spliced together. It was earlier tonight, if you want to look for it...


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salvorhardin (150 posts) Fri May-14-04 12:11 AM
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4. Thanks! Must have missed it.


Just like Fox Mulder's poster reads, "I want to believe" but this time I want to believe that Al Quaeda beheaded an innocent American live on-camera. However, the more I examine this issue the more the suspicion grows. I hope I am deluding myself.


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misanthropist (3 posts) Fri May-14-04 12:16 AM
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5. lingua franca


Um ... roman numarals are I II III IV.
1 2 3 4 are Arabic.



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NecessaryOnslaught (135 posts) Thu May-13-04 11:51 PM
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2. And, AND


what about the Berg-Moussaoui "encounter" In OK?


"Government sources told CNN that the encounter involved an acquaintance of Zacarias Moussaoui -- the only person publicly charged in the United States in connection with the September 11, 2001, terror attacks.

According to Berg, his son was taking a course a few years ago at a remote campus of the University of Oklahoma near an airport. He described how on one particular day, his son met "some terrorist people -- who no one knew were terrorists at the time."

At one point during the bus ride, Berg said, the man sitting next to his son asked if he could use Nick's laptop computer.

"It turned out this guy was a terrorist and that he, you know, used my son's e-mail, amongst many other people's e-mail who he did the same thing to," Berg said.

Government sources said Berg gave the man his password, which was later used by Moussaoui, the sources said.

The sources said the man who used Berg's e-mail knew Moussaoui, now awaiting trial on federal charges that could bring a death sentence. But the sources would not disclose details of how the men were connected."

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/Northeast/05/13/berg.encounter/index.html







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[PaDUer]

61. What's the time difference

in Iraq than here? How many hrs difference?

-edit-
It's daytime right now per this cam...
http://www.foxnews.com/video2/bagCam.html
Baghdad cam

[rumguy]

43. hippity hop

[eridani]

46. OK, let's be real

It IS circumstantial, and not proof of anything. But it is weird, weird, weird nonetheless.

[JetJaguar]

47. Some stills from the berg video

WARNING

Images contained at the base of this report are taken from a video which depicts the murder and beheading of Nick Berg, A U.S. CITIZEN

WARNING



http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article6172.htm

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article6174.htm



in the seccond link last pic you can see where the blanket
some describe as rug is pulled away from the wall.

I don't see a boarder here.

Dark gap appears to be floor. blankets laying flat.

[RapidCreek]

54. yep that's what it looks like

RC

[Guaranteed]

66. Yup...there is a blanket/rug...

Let's look at the flooring under that, compare it with the prison.

[Guaranteed]

67. Can we get a close-up of the prison floor, please? nt

[Mick Knox]

49. SORRRY... wrong.

OK, I didnt want to watch that stupid movie again; but I did.

There is no runner (moulding whatever) in the movie. IT IS NOT THERE. Watch the movie. It aint there. Period.

There are no cells.

It is not the same place as the prison photo.

There is no way they would use NG and reservists to do this IF they did do it, it would be all over the place, these guys will be court martialed and they will be talking.

They could be on Oprah or Chris Mathews tomorrow.

Lets get real.

[slaveplanet]

50. couple of points

1. In the Hall look at the cell doors, the moulding is clearly painted the same color as the cell doors as would happen in a refurb.

2. if it were a cell or holding room, there's a high possibility that no mouldings or anything else that could be pried loose to form a weapon would be present.

3. if you look at the still ,2nd page 4th foto down(severed head still 13:48:42) you can clearly see the black tarp is pulled back and a different light hue than anywhere else on the video , this exposes the true color of the CEMENT floor, and furter it has a strange pattern where the tarp is torn, looks almost as if the old flooring was recently pulled up or paint was spilled.

[Mick Knox]

55. responding to your points

1. I looked at the pics and the entire video again, which I could have lived my whole life and never seen again - there is no moulding. It is simply not there.

2. If it were a cell or holding room ....- come on - either it is the same place or not. It is not. It is a wide angle view - you would see the cells also.

3. It may be cement floor - may not be. It is most definately NOT the same place as the prison photo presented.

[slaveplanet]

58. reread my post

1.the moulding is in the HALL where the 8 people are

2. how hard is it to move a chair from the Hall to some unknown room?

[Mick Knox]

62. What does that have to do with anything

And how hard is it to buy the most common 2 dollar outdoor chair on earth? I dont know.

The point of this thread is that it is the same hallway as the prison photo.

It is not.

The moulding and the cell spacing is CLEAR.

It could be a room in the white house for all I know, but it aint that hallway.

[slaveplanet]

64. where

in the original post does it say this?
//The point of this thread is that it is the same hallway as the prison photo.//

I read the LBN thread first before I read this one and the gist I got was thatthe wall paint was similar , chair was similar , and the moulding issue was inconclusive. we've laid the moulding issue to rest, so this could not have taken place in the HALL, that doesn't mean it couldn't possibly have taken place in AG prison, that point is still up in the air.

[Mick Knox]

65. Right Here

and I was not aware the runner issue was laid to rest, since I have seen it repeated here and lbn so many times. Anyway - here:

-------------------------------------
ElsewheresDaughter
OMFG!!!! there it is at the end of the cell block the yellow wall and by dark runner along the wall ...about 3/4 feet wide ...and the white fucking plactic chair....... this is where Berg was decapited!

i'll be right back with photos of that back yellow wall in the cell block and you deside

PLEASE?
i need the 2 photos of berg with the 5 men standing behind him and the 1 of Berg sitting alone in a white plastic chair...PLEASE some help me out here?

in the 2nd photo notice an orange garment on the floor?

compare these while i track down the one of Berg with the 5 men standing behind him
-------------------------------------------------------

The entire point of this newest theory is that is was done in this hallway.

If you want to change it to anywhere else on the planet, including another room in the prison (which you cant prove anymore than I can disprove), fine - I personnally was addressing the intent of the original thread - it was done in the hallway. It was not.

[slaveplanet]

68. Ok I fully agree

with you on this-
//If you want to change it to anywhere else on the planet, including another room in the prison (which you cant prove anymore than I can disprove), fine - I personnally was addressing the intent of the original thread - it was done in the hallway. It was not.//

+ I did'nt take this //this is where Berg was decapited!//
to literally be the hallway, l thought ED meant the prison itself

but hallway deal could have been settled by just viewing the inside 90 degree corner of the room in the Berg video...I see no inside 90 in that hallway....now the paint and the floor???your guess is a good as mine

[Mick Knox]

71. Yeah i dunno - some thoughts

I'm not sure the chair is the same.. but its pretty close and may be exactly the same. In the video in the begining you cant really see where the arms of the chair meet the chair; but they dont look like they meet towards the rear of the legs (like in the photo). It is damn close and give me pause.

The walls are pretty close for sure.

I dont know how common that particular decor is in Iraq - but i can understand people grabbing ahold of that. That is one helluva coincidence - I was only speaking to the hallway.

I dont buy the soldier stuff at all. Those soldiers could be on maury povich tomorrow spilling their guts; even if the CIA did it, they wouldnt use MP's. No way. It's not the same soldiers.

I think i'm gonna hit the sack. I dont believe the theories myself. I've seen a few beheadings on the net by Terrorists and they all look just like this one. Like I said though, I am having to consider some things pretty damn big coincidences to justify that.

Cya my friend.

[slaveplanet]

73. see post 72 n/t

[oblivious]

52. I don't think the moulding's the issue.

They surely wouldn't do it out in the open like that anyway. It's the same yellow paint and chairs that make you wonder. But I don't see how you can say "It is not the same place." You just can't possibly know that.

[Mick Knox]

57. It is not the same place

as that photo as is being passed along in this thread. That is clear. Is it some other room in the prison - I dont think you can say yes or no and neither can I, except I find the entire theories absurd as my own personnal opinon. I can say it is not the same place as that prison photo presented because it is so painfully obvious.

[oblivious]

59. Ok, I get your point ... not the same room.

Well, I find it absurd too -- almost too terrible to imagine -- but you have to admit the video and circumstances surrounding it are damn strange. I don't think it's responsible to just accept whatever explanation we're given without asking questions when things do not add up.

[Mick Knox]

63. I didnt find it strange

48 hours ago, when a video of terrorists yet again beheading someone came out as I've watched 3 or 4 others, russians, pearl, etc ALL the same - now clouded with endless barrages of theory after theory like chinese water torture - I will admit some things grab my attention. But it aint that hall way, thats for sure.

[Pachamama]

69. I think it's great everyone is looking for the truth...

...as Mulder would say "the truth is out there" (and I didn't mean that sarcastically, I'm serious, there are just way too many "coincidences" these days...I mean hello, what are the chances that Berg and Moussaoui had an encounter?) It just keeps getting stranger and stranger...

PS: Zwade - you need to watch some Elmo tommorrow morning...watching those movies too many times can do some weird stuff to you...I'll admit that I have been now looking at these images the last 24 hours and its messing with my balance...Looking in on my children while they sleep sets me straight again...and watching some Elmo in the morning :)

[FlemingsGhost]

72. Look at the infamous photo of the hooded prisoner...

attached to electrodes.

Same floor.

Same wall color.

** No floor moulding. **

I don't know how to post pictures, but I'm sure you can find the one I'm refering to...

[PaDUer]

56. check..

"The new photos and videotapes provide evidence of the rape and murder of prisoners, according to Senator Lindsey Graham, Republican of South Carolina, who was given a classified briefing on the matter."

''It is going to get worse before it gets better," Graham said. ''We're talking about rape and murder."

Entire article-
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2004/05/08/rumsf... /

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

70. The title of this thread.

>EVERY Du researcher MUST see this thread in LBN !!! NOW

Get over yourselves. Really. It's sad.

[FlemingsGhost]

74. What the fuck do you care?

Really?

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

75. Why?

I the fuck care because GD has become so goddamn unreadable that I think there's a viable case to be made for breaking off discussion of this issue into its own separate forum. Every junior jackass on DU has felt it necessary to start his or her very own thread to support whatever nonsense or gibberish that they've concocted about this guy's death.
I care because every time someone even remotely suggests that all of this duscussion be consolidated in some reasonable way is accused of being a fascist of a freeper-sympathizer or a sheeple or some goddamn other thing.
I care because I've donated my hard-earned money to this site so that we can all go about our business of kicking the shit out of Bush come november, and promoting a progressive agenda. If DU is going to become some kind of massive super-antenna for this nonsense, then I'll have to reconsider. I was quite happy to have the conspiracy theorism as entertaining background noise, but this has just totally gotten out of hand. It makes everyone here look bad. It gives the stupid gooddamn freepers all the ammunition they need to portray people on DU as a bunch of whacked-out benzedrine freaks.

[FlemingsGhost]

76. And yet... you post in the thread.

Why do you suppose that is? Are you incapable of ignoring the nonsense?

Aside from the fact that many of the "junior jackasses" also donated their hard-earned money to DU, most couldn't give a rip what folks at FreeRepublic think about them. The fact that you are overly concerned about it is your gig, and your's alone.

If it's too much to bear, I'm sure you can find the "off" button on your computer...

(edited for accuracy)

[ima_sinnic]

79. tsk tsk, embarrassed at DUers b/c they don't swallow the kool-aid

without asking questions.

"kicking the shit out of Bush" includes exposing his whole entire administration and agenda as a colossal, unbelievably sinister fraud and manipulation from one end to the other.

you don't like digging for the truth? please step out of the way for those who not only do but also feel it is their duty.

[nomatrix]

78. How about a sign pointing it out

"During his time in Iraq, he struggled with the Arabic language and worked at night on a tower in Abu Ghraib, a site of repeated attacks on U.S. convoys and the location of the notorious prison where U.S. soldiers abused Iraqi inmates."

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=540&ncid=721&e=7&u=/ap/20040512/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_berg