Bill Kristol on "The Daily Show" says Kerry shouldn't be elected because

[Eric J in MN]

Bill Kristol on "The Daily Show" says Kerry shouldn't be elected because:

Kerry would get the US out of Iraq within 4 years.

[nadinbrzezinski]

1. Hey we need Mister Krystol to put on a uniform

pick up his rifle and go walk patrol

[Jacobin]

2. We can only hope

[Rick Myers]

3. Kristol was QUITE a sissy!!!

Man, even HE seems to be exasperated with BushCo!!!

I smell blood...

:grr:

[Eric J in MN]

6. Kristol's argument was

Kristol's argument was:

Bush has badly carried out the war with insufficient troops and allowing rioting, but electing Kerry would send an anti-war message (even though Kerry wants to send more troops) so we must not elect Kerry.

Bush is going to magically start managing the war well once he starts his second term.

[cheezus]

35. They had a calm discussion based around the facts

and Jon Stewart destroyed him. He didn't even look like he wanted to put up a fight.

[Shoedogg]

4. His most telling comment...

...after basically conceding every point to Stewart:

"I need to get my game face on when I get back to Washington - in New York, I can afford to be honest."

[Bryan]

5. You are shitting me

I've gotta see that rerun. Kerry could use that in his ads...

[Eric J in MN]

8. the quote was something like

the quote was something like

Kerry is not going to spend four years of his term running Bush's war.


Which doesn't really lend itself for use in a tv ad.

[Cleita]

7. Such a weird interview and Jon more aggressive than he

usually is in questioning guests. Yes, things are achangin'.

[Eric J in MN]

9. Jon Stewart has said more than once recently that

Jon Stewart has said more than once recently that it isn't a choice between trying-to-promote-democracy-through-war or doing nothing.

The US can try to promote democracy in peaceful ways.

[Tellurian]

12. Yes, diplomacy is much cheaper...but can you convince the Iraqis it's ok

to commandeer their oil?

[immune2irony]

10. I wish we would have left Germany and Japan immediately

upon conquering and occupying them. It set a poor precedence of colonialism and imperialism that has dogged us from Korea to Iraq. What is our business defending these countries? So their ruling class can grow fat and rich? I'm disgusted.

[Cleita]

17. Germany and Japan have a ruling class?

Explain that for me?

[Lydia Leftcoast]

23. Actually, Japan does

but they're largely harmless except for indulging in massive financial corruption.

They're at least thinking about the future and making appropriate plans, which is more than I can say about our bozos.

[kodi]

18. sure, the soviets would not have occupied either of them.

good call buckaroo. we wasted a ton of money on the marshall plan. didn't get much back either, just a stable europe for the first time in centuries. and in japan, why those bastards, they went and built a stable democracy the world's second largest economy.

its just terrible what they did with our support, dont you think?

[immune2irony]

21. So how is Iraq different?

n/t

[kodi]

22. hahahaha! why don't you tell me what is different about iraq

shall we start with the difference between japan and germany declaring war on the US with the resultant deaths of hundreds of thousands of americans at the hands of those two nations. nah, too easy for you.

or that each of those nations were in ruins due to the war, nah too easy for you.

or that each nation had borders with the soviet union with its armies perched on these borders ready to invade if given the chance. nah, too easy for you.

ops, forgot that the soviets did invade japan in 1945 and held some of its northern islands, and held them for decades.

or that both germany and japan were industrial nations whose peaceful development were necessary for rebuilding the world economy, nah, too easy for you.

but clearly you dont seem to differentiate between a joint defensive military presence of the victorious allies and the new governments of japan and germany from a colonial police force.

now, you tell me of the similarities between the allied presence in japan and germany after ww2 with the current coalition forces in iraq based upon the world economic, political, and military strategies listed above.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

26. In Japan:

the emperor had told the people to submit to the American occupiers and cooperate with them, so they dutifully did so. The occupiers were mostly left-wing idealists of the New Deal generation, and they quickly instituted social and economic reforms that won the favor of the populace. They did not allow looting, they did not torture prisoners, they did not exploit the resources of the country, and they moved quickly to put an indigenous government in place. In the entire seven-year occupation, there were no incidents of G.I.'s being murdered by Japanese resistance.

In Germany by the time the war ended, the country was so obviously on its last legs (they were drafting 12-year-olds, and all major cities lay in ruins) that Hitler no longer had any credibility, so people were too exhausted to resist and were mainly concerned with survival. The Americans helped out by distributing food and other supplies, which was a striking constrast to how the Germans had treated the countries they occupied. Again, there was no looting allowed, no torture of prisoners, no stealing of the resources of the country (the Soviets did steal resources in their zone), and cooperation with existing indigenous resistance figures such as Willy Brandt and Konrad Adenauer to form a new government. No G.I.'s were killed by German resistance. The Western zones of Germany were completely free within four years.

Now, nearly fifty years later, we have Iraq. Compare and contrast, especially on the point that Iraq hadn't invaded anyone in 2003 and had not even tried to invade anyone since 1991.

[Cleita]

29. Maybe this was because WWII was considered a justified war.

I remember kids in high school, busting to be old enough to sign up. It was a very patriotic time and it cut accross the whole population, not just a right wing bunch of flag wavers. If the PNAC (our American Nazis) keep up this march to world domination, we may see the same type of patriotism from other countries directed toward us.

[hughee99]

34. I'm sorry

I agree with much that you say, but in Germany, our soldiers were still fighting hardcore Nazi's until 1947, though they were not nearly as organized as those in Iraq. And there were some fatalities, though less then what we're seeing now.

[Bridget Burke]

27. Nope.

It may be past time to leave, but our presence was required in both those countries at the time. WWII & the current situation had quite a few differences.

You're a real class warrior, aren't you? Obviously a far-leftist, as all must be who who post here. (Or maybe not.)

[union_maid]

11. He also said that Kerry has been very responsible

What it seemed to come down to is that he agrees with Bush's worldview, which he should because the PNAC gave Bush is worldview, I guess. And other than that he really didn't have a good thing to say about him. This is really very good. He knows that the administration is full of incompetents, starting with Bush. This is excellent stuff.

[GoldenOldie]

15. You don't turn your back on a viper

Krystal is and has been the mouthpiece of the Neocon's and has been involved with the PNAC. If Krystal said anything good about Kerry he has a motive for doing so and it ain't good.

[Reverend_Smitty]

13. Jon Stewart is the best political talk show host on tv

He can talk to people that he completely disagrees with like Kristol keep it a civil conversation and still win every political debate.

Good interview tonight, Kristol was really grasping for complimentary things to say about shrub!

[Hippo_Tron]

20. That's because Jon Stewart's attitude is...

Humor first, politics second.

[Bandit]

30. That is why The Daily Show will win us way more converts than Air America

Air America with it's Rush wanna-bes and harsh rhetoric will please the faithful but won't win converts. Humor is our very best weapon. Humor and Satire. The Daily Show Rocks "Big Time"

[bushwakker]

14. I'll pay your airfare over to Iraq tuff guy Bill

and you can take Krauthammer and Safire with you.

[napi21]

16. The best question to Kristol was:

You mean Bush drove us into a ditch, but he's the guy I trust to drive us back out?

Kristol slipped and said "Bush drove us into a ditch.....er...ah...no, not a ditch, just off track.........

I would think it is difficult to get Kristol to slip like that! Good going Jon!!!!

[Bozita]

19. Jon handed Kristol his hat. Then Jon pissed in it

He had Kristol skating backwards the whole time.

Damn, that was good!

[leftofthedial]

24. "I feel like when I'm in New York . . ."

". . . I can afford to be honest."

Too bad Kristol said this right at the end of the show as Jon was wrapping up. What a damning statement.

We now know from his own mouth that every word Kristol writes or utters in his "real" job is a lie.

[spanone]

25. I couldn't care less what Bill Kristol has to say. Traitor to democracy

[friendofbenn]

28. democrat

he isnt a registered dem is he?

[catzies]

31. Who, Jon Stewart or Bill Kristol? I'm guessing you mean Jon

b/c Kristol is a Repug through-and-through.

[Doomsayer13]

33. Kristol is a Republican

one of the architects of the Republican Revolution of '94. Stewart is on the left, but I'm unsure of his party affiliation. I assume he's a Democrat.

[Doomsayer13]

32. the guy might as well be campaigning for us

what a great idea, out of Iraq in 4 years, he should be out there rallying our troops. With enemies like this, who needs enemies?