Post THE most ludicrous tinfoil hat Berg story you've heard here.

[Cuban_Liberal]

I know it'll be hard to choose, considering the VAST numbers of absolute :tinfoilhat: jewels here at DU, but give it your best shot anyway...

[DrWeird]

1. He was killed by al Qaeda.

that's as goofy a conspiracy theory as Saddam's WMDs.

[Cuban_Liberal]

2. God knows Al Qaeda never killed any Americans.

:wtf:

[DrWeird]

God knows Al Qaeda was never in Iraq.

That didn't stop a bunch of conspiracy theorists who believed it from supporting a war that killed more innocent human lives then Al Qaeda could ever hope for.

[ima_sinnic]

4. ha ha, there ya go

what is yer problem Cuban Liberal?
You think we should take "the administration's" version at face value? which version, by the way? they denied Berg was even in U.S. custody and THAT has been quickly and thoroughly disproven.

[Dookus]

9. I don't want to speak for Cuban_liberal

but....

in MY opinion, these insane rantings of various conspiracies detract from the REAL questions.

I, too, have many questions about what happened to Berg prior to being taken hostage. I also believe the video may've been spliced, or shot using multiple cameras.

However, when we all go crazy about whether or not an arab can have a bit of a spare tire, or whether sneakers are available, then we just look like paranoid, racist nutcases.

[Cuban_Liberal]

14. Yep, we just confirm everything the Freepers say about us.

This sort of ridiculous 'argument' over inane details makes us look like the nutcases they think and say we are!

[DrWeird]

17. Why do you care so much about what the freepers say?

More importantly, why do you deride people for saying things you worry freepers might make fun of?

[Cuban_Liberal]

25. Because I don't like Freepers being right!

And it's idiotic crapola like this that gives them ammunition to prove that they are.

[Walt Starr]

30. The most idiotic crapola of all

is automatically accepting an explanation offered by a gang of thugs who have done nothing but lie since they stole the presidency rather than considering all of the possibilities.

[Cuban_Liberal]

34. I didn't 'automatically' accept it.

I watched the god damned thing, and all these 'anomolies' are absolute hogwash! Yellow paint! Sneakers! Plastic chairs! Gold (or is it brass) rings!

:wtf:

[Walt Starr]

43. You seem to be the one defending the "Al Queda did it" tinfoil hat

conspiracy theory.

[Cuban_Liberal]

48. It happens to fit the facts.

No of this other lunacy does,

"Some times a cigar is just a cigar." ---Sigmund Freud

[Walt Starr]

53. Okay, so does, "Chalabi employees did it at the behest of the CIA"

given the facts in hand, that is as plausible, perhaps even moreso, than the Al Queda conspiracy theory.

[Cuban_Liberal]

59. Again, oh bullshit!

Zarqawi has taken credit on tape for it. Has Chalabi?

:wtf:

[Walt Starr]

68. So prove it was Zarqawi

:wtf:

You believe every fucking thing you hear coming out of the mouth of somebody chopping somebody's head off?

Now who's the conspiracy theorist?

:eyes:

[Cuban_Liberal]

72. Prove it wasn't!

Deabte 101.

[Walt Starr]

78. In logical discourse, the claimant with the initial positive assertion

is under the burden of proof.

All I have done is offer alternate, equally plausible theories, to the officially accepted theory. I've made no claims it was Chalabi's men, I merely offered the possibility and demonstrated it is as plausible as the Al Queda conspiracy theory.

You claimed they were AQ. You are the one under the burden of proof. If you cannot prove it, then I am correct and it could be AQ or it could be the CIA. Equal plausibility because we lack evidence.

[Cuban_Liberal]

80. I'm not claiming they were Al Qaeda.

I said they claimed they were Al Qaeda. Crucial difference.

[Walt Starr]

84. Ahhh, so the Al Queda theory is just plausible

So is the Chalabi thugs theory I offered.

[Cuban_Liberal]

87. Nice twisting of what I said.

If you don't wish to use t6he words I used, then use your own, but don't try and put them in my mouth before rebutting them.

[charlie]

73. Wellll

CNN's translator has already said that the only part of the speech our gummint claims to reference Al Qaeda is wrong -- it's addressing the apathetic, the uncommitted. She also said the speaker doesn't use the accent/dialect of a Jordanian.

Why would Chalabi claim credit for the execution if he wants to inflame our fear of the Al Qaeda bogeyman? That makes no sense.

[ParanoidPat]

85. If Zarqawi was willing to take full credit, why wear a hood?

Talk about :wtf: :shrug:

And then there's this!

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/05/11/iraq/main616842.shtml

U.S. officials say the FBI questioned Berg in 2002 after a computer password Berg used in college turned up in the possession of Zaccarias Moussaoui, the al Qaeda operative arrested shortly before 9/11 for his suspicious activity at a flight school in Minnesota.

The bureau had already dismissed the connection between Berg and Moussaoui as nothing more than a college student who had been careless about protecting his password.

But in the wake of Berg's gruesome murder, it becomes a stranger than fiction coincidence -- an American who inadvertently gave away his computer password to one notorious al Qaeda operative is later murdered by another notorious al Qaeda operative.

[Cuban_Liberal]

88. Because maybe he's changed his appearance?

Ever hear of plastic surgery?

[Walt Starr]

92. Hmmm, so now you've offered a theory of your own!

Do you consider yourself a "lunatic"?

[Cuban_Liberal]

95. Nice try, Walt.

It was a hypothetical answer to the hypothetical question posited.

[Walt Starr]

96. And the hypothetical question is, "Who were those masked men?"

And many DUers are attempting to present possibilities, but then others deride them as "lunatics" after offering possibilities themselves about "plastic surgery".

:eyes:

[Cuban_Liberal]

98. No.

The hypothetical question was why AZ, perhaps the 2nd most-hunted man of the planet, would wear a mask.

[Walt Starr]

99. Too granular

The REAL question is, "who were those masked men who killed Berg?"

You've been on the Al Queda kick throughout the thread, but then deny it.

Tell me again, who's the lunatic?

[Cuban_Liberal]

101. That's not the question that was asked.

Argue with yourself, if you like, but that was not the question the poster asked. The question the poster asked was why AZ would wear a hood, and that is the question I answered.

End of discussion.

[Walt Starr]

103. In this sub thread

but not in your original post that started this thread. You start from the assumption that Zarqawi and Al Queda are responsible.

And you immediately derided all who deviated from the official conspiracy theory offered up by our government.

Again, who's the "lunatic"?

[Cuban_Liberal]

107. Show me where it says that, Walt

I'd be interested in you showing me where I said what you say I said, because I damned sure didn't write anything like that...

Cuban_Liberal (1000+ posts) Thu May-13-04 07:54 PM
Original message
Post THE most ludicrous tinfoil hat Berg story you've heard here.

Edited on Thu May-13-04 07:54 PM by Cuban_Liberal
I know it'll be hard to choose, considering the VAST numbers of absolute :tinfoilhat: jewels here at DU, but give it your best shot anyway...


Again, Walt, where did I say what you're saying I said?

[Walt Starr]

109. Well god knows Al Queda never killed any Americans

:wtf:

As if that has any bering on this.

Deriding somebody for demonstrating that the Al Queda conspiracy theory is as much speculation as any other theory you care to name.

[Cuban_Liberal]

112. Sarcasm's lost on some people.

:wtf:

[Walt Starr]

115. Sarcasm cannot be effectively expressed via the written word

hence the /sarcasm tags when most people use sarcasm.

:eyes:

[DrWeird]

33. So you're saying you agree with the freepers.

Then feel free to post on their message board.

[Cuban_Liberal]

36. Don't put words in my mouth!

I'll continue to post here, thank you.

[DrWeird]

42. Well then if you're going to stay...

show a little respect for other people's opinions, and if you can't keep your mouth shut use the "hide thread" button.

[Cuban_Liberal]

49. No 'if i'm going to stay' about it.

And I will continue to ridicule lunacy when I choose to do so, as I do now. I am under no obligation to make lunatics comfortable in their lunacy. If YOU don't like it, why don't YOU use the 'hide' button?

[Walt Starr]

55. If conspiracy theories are "lunacy"

then those proposing the Al Queda did it conspiracy theory are as lunatical as any other theorist.

[Cuban_Liberal]

58. Oh, bullshit!

Al Qaeda, via Zarqawi, is claiming credit. No one else is.

[Walt Starr]

69. Masked men chopping off a head

claiming to be Zarqawi in a Persian Arabic accent rather than a Jordanian Arabic accent with no mention of Al Queda whatsoever on the tape (mistranslation on original "story" presented).

Again, Claiming AQ did this is a theory about the conspiracy.

[Name removed]

60. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Cuban_Liberal]

64. Tough.

I'm under no obligation to make lunatics comfortable in their lunacy.

Deal with it.

[Walt Starr]

71. Again, the biggest lunatics are those believing the official story

Fucking A, so if a hooded man came up to you and claimed to be Elvis, I guess you'd buy that crock of shit too.

[Cuban_Liberal]

75. Not neccessarily.

But I'd be damned sure I could prove it WASN'T, before I started spouting off loudly and publicly about it.

[Walt Starr]

79. Logical fallacy, you;re requiring proof of a negative

try again.

[Cuban_Liberal]

83. Wrong!

They claiming that--not me. THEY claim it--- capisce? :eyes:

[Walt Starr]

91. Good bye. Cuban_Liberal

It's obvious you understand little about offering posssibilities about situations when there is little evidence

Investigation requires making valid assumptions to formulate theories. Those theories must be tested and re-tested as additional evidence is brought forward.

This was how the BBV story evolved right here on DU, and if I had a nicckel for every time Bev Harris was called a lunatic, my mortgage would be paid off.

[Cuban_Liberal]

93. I understand proof quite well, Walt.

I deal with it every day, and the first thing I learned about evidence and proof is that when one hears hoofbeats, one should automatically think 'Zebras!' the very first thing.

[Walt Starr]

105. If that were so

you would understand easily that in the avbsence of evidence all we have is speculation, and we lack evidence to support the theory that Zarqawi and Al Queda are responsible, although there is much evidence to support the notion it was somebody other than Zarqawi, certainly, since the Arabic accents are NOT Jordanian.

[Cuban_Liberal]

108. What I understand all to well, Walt, is that...

the so-called 'evidence' that it is NOT AZ is even scarcer than the evidence that it IS.

[Walt Starr]

111. The evidence is the spoken words of the man claiming to be AZ

:eyes:

[Cuban_Liberal]

113. Yep.

And the nutbags have produced ZERO evidence to prove otherwise--ZERO.

[Walt Starr]

116. Oh really?

Could've fooled me:

http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0405/12/lol.02.html

[Cuban_Liberal]

118. A translator's 'opinion'.

Wow, you've convinced me. :eyes:

[Walt Starr]

119. Certainly at least as convincing as the translator's opinion

who claims it was zarqawi/

:eyes:

[Cuban_Liberal]

What the fuck ever.

I'm gonna go find a stump to talk to...

Good night.

[Sterling]

123. So who will comfort you?

"I am under no
obligation to make lunatics comfortable in their lunacy"

I hope you have someone in your life that will comfort your lunacy since you refuse to heal yourself of your illness.

[Cuban_Liberal]

124. I'm not ill.

Thanks for playing.

[Andy_Stephenson]

19. "inane details"?

The truth is in the details...

Edit: If we had listined to the detractor's calling us conspiracy nuts...np pne would have heard about BBV either.

[BeFree]

26. So, how do ya know

They were arabian?

Really, you don't KNOW anything, admit it. Yeah, maybe ya saw a tape, fine. Now you are ready to convict on the basis of that tape?? What idiocy!! What profound idiocy!!

And you even have the gall to say we are the racists!! Profound!!

[Walt Starr]

39. For the sake of argument, let's assume they were Iraqi

What's to say they weren't in the employ of Chalabi? No evidence they were or weren't.

Furthermore, think back to the Saddam Stature toppling photo op. Remember the "hundreds" of "joyous Iraqis" celebrating? Ten pan back and it's mayber two dozen, plus you can identify the bodyguards of Chalabi easily in the close up shots.

The fact is, we have no fucking clue who they were. I certainly will not take the CIA's or the gang of thugs occupying the White House word for who the fuck they were. After all, the CIa said Saddam had nuclear weapons and we know how much the gang of thugs in the White House have lied.

[BeFree]

66. Good points, Walt

All these people who are willing to let one little video of an act become all the evidence they need to convict, is idiotic. Plain and simple - idiotic. After all we have seen and heard, some folks still have not a clue. Geeez.

DU rocks. DU rocks. DU rocks. Where else in the Whole Wide World can a person get the Main course with all the side orders of this that and the other? DU and DU'ers flat out Rock the world!

[Walt Starr]

7. Spot ON! DrWeird

That's the biggest conspiracy theory in the Berg murder, ABSOFUCKINGLUTELY!

[hang a left]

11. Some even go so far as to suggest it was in retaliation for the

torture, rape and murders that took place at Abu Graihb. Oh yeah, get this, some of them even believe these pieces of shit tried to do a prisoner exchange but the CPA refused. LMAO, freakin foilers. A DUer opined today that it might be a good idea for these raging lunatics to have there own board. Might be a good idea. What do you think?

[DrWeird]

21. It's rather obviously retaliation for Abu Ghraib.

They say as much in the video. So that's hardly a conspiracy theory.

The crazy thing to believe is that every time a muslim attacks an american, justified or no, that it must be the great boogey man "Al Qaeda."

[hang a left]

45. THey claim to be an off-shoot of Al Queda in the video as well?

So you get your boogey man and your reason not to release anymore damaging (for DOD) video or pictures. Pardon the pun, but you kill two birds with one stone.

[Tansy_Gold]

104. And clearly the ICRC is in cahoots with the booshies, too,

since they've also requested that in compliance with the Geneva Conventions regarding photos of prisoners, the pictures are not to be released.

The Geneva conventions apply to all, and sometimes we may not like it -- as, when we don't get to see everything we want to -- but if we're gonna live by the rules, we gotta live by all of 'em.

I'm sure I'll get flamed over this, too.

[Dookus]

46. I will agree with you on that

I've never argued that it was certainly Al Qaeda. But I've seen no evidence, nor do I even understand the argument, that it was done by "our side".

This hurts Bush much more than it helps him.

[number6]

44. He was killed by Zarqawi

goofy a conspiracy theory as any ...

[goodhue]

54. indeed

eom

[leftofthedial]

122. that IS the wildest story of them all

given the evidence at hand.

Those were not al Qaeda.

(for the record, terrorists are scum and should be captured and dealt with post haste.)

This video and its cover story are not what they purport to be and can't be taken at face value.

[Dookus]

3. It's so hard to choose...

I thought we'd reached the pinnacle of insanity with Haitian man-tits, but this is even better.

Pudgy Arabs! Sneakers! White plastic chairs! Jewelry! Yellow walls!

It's so hard to choose....

[XanaDUer]

10. Um, Haitian man-tits?

:shrug:

[Lars39]

5. Denial of the possibility seems to be the biggest one.

DUers are insatiably nosy for the truth. Some are out to sensationlize, but others are digging for the answers. :shrug:

[Az]

6. Ease up

Not everyone is going to deal with this stuff the same way you do. Its not as if no one else on the planet suspects the veracity of the video. Its even showing up on the news as being questionable.

I understand all the theories and grasping for answers bothers you. But not everyone gets to the same place at the same time or in the same way. You cannot force people to be just like you.

[Coventina]

8. Since you are flame baiting....

I'll flame away.

This mis-administration is capable of anything, ANYTHING!

There seems to be strange aspects to the story. I, for one, think that it needs to be investigated. How did he go from US custody to AQ custody? etc. etc. etc.

Why are YOU determined to believe the official story?
In case you haven't noticed, the name of this site is "Democratic Underground." The reason for this site is to question EVERYTHING!

[Walt Starr]

13. I'd buy it being a gang of five former Abu Ghraib prisoners

before I'd buy it being AQ.

[meow mix]

22. i know.. first it was just "too many threads" complaint

which has now gone to starting retaliation threads.
lol
its a very well-disguised campaign C_L

instead of playing games why dont you just come out and yell it.
"STOP TALKING ABOUT BERG, RIGHT NOW"
thatd be great =)

[Cuban_Liberal]

27. Why not!

Everyone else is posting one, so I figured those of us who find this laughable should have one, too.

[Q]

12. You're showing your ignorance...

...and disdain for your fellow DUers. I've never quite understood gadflies like you...who twitter from thread to thread to tell posters how disgusted you are with their 'theories' instead of simply ignoring those threads.

- Why is it so important for you to control what others think and say? No one is suggesting that you pay any sort of attention to these threads or believe any of the theories. Yet...you act as if it's your duty to police discussions that tend to incriminate the Bush* administration. How about just leaving people alone to their own thoughts, theories and discussions and mind your OWN business?

[Cuban_Liberal]

23. No, you show your lack of understanding of the elements of proof.

This insane 'believe any crazy thing anyone says, if it puts Bush in a bad light' is equally nuts! I've never understood the head cases who will believe ANYTHING that puts * in a bad light, no matter how little proof there is, or even whether there is any at all...

[Az]

29. Who says this puts Bush in a bad light

There is nothing to suggest yet that he had anything to do with it. There are far more involved than just Bush and Osama. Why are you obsessing on Bush?

[Cuban_Liberal]

38. Not trying to put Bush in a bad light?

The postings by the tinfoil hat crowd would suggest otherwise..

[Q]

50. Bush* has no idea what's going on in his administration...

...much like that doofus Reagan. It's foolish to think that Bush* knows everything that happens in Iraq. Remember...he likes to play 'in charge' and leave the 'details' to others. I imagine the 'general order' in this case was to 'do whatever it takes to' extract information from the 'towelheads'.

- I find it strange when people DON'T ask questions about something like the beheading. Those discussing the discrepancies in the video aren't offering 'proof'...just exploring to advance the theories.

- You act like the current crop of 'investigative reporters' in the American media. They're too lazy or intimidated to ask unpopular questions or think outside of the official story.

- Why do conpiracy theories pop up every time something happens regarding the Bush* admin. or HIS war on some terror? If anyone to blame it's the Bushies themselves...who ride roughshod over the most secretive US government in our history.

[QC]

15. My personal favorite is the one about how the video could not have been

produced by Arabs, because it was encoded with the Windows Media 9 codec.

Of course, that codec is a free download at Microsoft and has been available for some time. I have it myself, and I don't even work for the CIA or Mossad.

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/9series/encoder/default.aspx

[Junkdrawer]

16. That Moussaoui had his password....

Oh wait, that's true...

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/05/11/iraq/main616842.shtml

Nevermind

[QC]

24. I wonder if that's a Bush attempt to smear Berg by associating

him with al Qaeda. That seems a much more likely explanation than these two guys having somehow known one another.

[Junkdrawer]

28. Say what????

So these two knowing each other is disturbing/unbelieveable to you? In what way?

[QC]

35. You don't find it odd that when the country is in an uproar

over this video, largely out of sympathy for Berg, a story suddenly emerges connecting him to the 9/11 conspiracy?

[Junkdrawer]

40. Why would they want to muddy the "evil doers killed an innocent..

kid" story?

[QC]

47. Well, Berg's parents are giving Bush hell and getting a lot of press.

What better way to control the damage than to say that they are in league with the terr'ists?

Not to mention how it reduces sympathy for Berg himself, by transforming him from that innocent kid to someone in league with bin Laden.

[Junkdrawer]

51. Excuse me, but WHOSE wearing the tinfoil now?

:evilgrin:

[QC]

74. Now you're trying to silence me!

Aren't all harebrained speculations supposed to be treated with reverence? Aren't all theories equally valid, whether there's any evidence for them or not?

See my point?

[Junkdrawer]

89. If you checked, you would have seen that my posts about this...

had been that al Qaeda did it to help Bush and to increase their street creds. But the more that comes out the stinkier it gets. And you must admit, it is getting stinky.

[notadmblnd]

114. because they know we're not buying it?

nt

[Jacobin]

18. "no plastic chairs in Iraq, no muslims wear rings, jeeze

the list is so long its hard to choose.

I'll say this. Let them romp around. There is some weird shit about it and they may stumble across something valid. Until then, I just have my big bullshit filter on.

[MikeG]

20. I heard his head was already off before they "beheaded" him.

Used a ventriloquist.

[Cuban_Liberal]

31. Must have used the same tech people who faked the moon landing.

:P

[number6]

32. George Bush is actually a President ....

most ludicrous story...tinfoil, Berg story, or anything else.
;)

Cuban_Liberal are you the plastic chair, gold ring post monitor ?

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[JanMichael]

41. That the "Official Story" is infallible?

That one always cracks me up:-)

[Cuban_Liberal]

52. "Some times a cigar is just a cigar"

Sigmund Freud.

[ibegurpard]

57. Apparently CBS News doesn't think so.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=1595230&mesg_id=1595230

[Cuban_Liberal]

62. And CBS *proves* what?

'Jack shit', is the answer.

[ibegurpard]

65. If CBS is running this story

then they have reason to believe that some of the "tin-foil" might be more than just that. What, you'll only believe it if you see it on FOX?

[Cuban_Liberal]

67. I've never watched Fox in my life.

And I don't like the snide implication, either. "Woulda/coulda/shoulda/might/maybe/etc." is hardly proof of anything.

[ibegurpard]

I don't particularly care what you like.

And if you want to start threads that poo-poo all the "conspiracy" theories when major news organizations are reporting on the questions then expect to be challenged.

[Cuban_Liberal]

77. Challenging is fine.

But your reference to 'Fox News' was clearly intended as a poorly-disguised attempt to call me a freeper without using the words. A half-witted 3rd grader could see that.

[Walt Starr]

76. Oh, and you've PROVEN it was Zarqawi and AQ?

C'mon, if you'll hold others to a standard you won't live up to yourelf, that's pretty fucking hypocritical.

[Cuban_Liberal]

90. How many times do you intend to distort what I said?

I said, then and at repeated times since, that they claim--- again, THEY CLAIM--- that they are Al Qaeda. Please cite the thread where I said otherwise.

[Walt Starr]

106. If you cannot PROVE is was Zarqawi and Al Queda

then the subject is most certainly open for speculation.

[Cuban_Liberal]

110. Coulda been aliens from Mars, then.

Since we're allwoed to speculate... :eyes:

[Walt Starr]

117. I could hardly consider that a valid speculation

but it certainly is nearly as plausible as the "Al Queda done it" conspiracy theories that abound.

It would help if you could first present evidence to demonstrate the aliens you are speculating about actually exist.

As far as the speculation I've offered on this thread goes, I can offer evidence to show you Chalabi exists, his thugs exist, and the thugs have posed for photo ops to help Bush in the past.

[Cuban_Liberal]

120. Just as valid as any of the other no-proof/pure speculation theories.

One more time--- and I'll type slowly here--- *I* did NOT say it WAS Al Qaeda. What *I* said was that the people in the tape claimed they were al Qaeda.

Is that clear enough, or should I type it another half dozen times? :eyes:

[JanMichael]

61. I thought Bill said that?

Either way, I'm not buying what you're selling;-)

[YNGW]

56. So many choices

But at this point, I'd have to go with the person who said the Mossad did it.

[Walt Starr]

81. I missed that one

but given our lack of evidence, it is plausible.

[number6]

63. another thread here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1596313

me bad :evilgrin:

[Wonk]

70. Paragon wins: "Bush decapitated Nick Berg with the help of the UFOs!" nt

[ibegurpard]

82. Oh, here's a good one!

The U.S. government denies ever having Berg in custody while Berg's family has proof from a diplomatic official that he was being held. Oh, wait a minute...that's true. :eyes:

[maddezmom]

100. imagine that...all the "tinfoilers" questioning the official line

and proven to be right in a few cases in the past couple days. My definition of a "tinfoiler", sometimes just are folks that don't buy the shit the media and gov't are shoveling.

[ima_sinnic]

86. when did Zarqawi grow his leg back?

--or at least get it together to walk around so unhampered on a fake leg?
why was Zarqawi's face covered if he wanted everybody to know it was he?
why was at least one person speaking Russian?
why did at least one person have distinct American mannerisms?
what accent was the Arabic spoken with?
why was the video first published on a fake "al Qaeda-linked" website? that actually has some connection with Chalabi?
why was Berg so limp and unresistant as his head was first being cut off?
why was a knife that is not used in the Middle East used here?
why was a type of sawing motion that is not used in the Middle East used here?
why was a scream dubbed in, which sounded female?
why did "the administration" say Berg was never in U.S. captivity??
why was Berg in a US-issue orange jumpsuit?
why would Middle Eastern extremists want to dilute and ruin the bad press the U.S. was already getting from Abu Ghraid photos?

your answers Cuban Liberal??

[judy]

102. And...When did Zarqawi come BACK TO LIFE ?

Check out this article:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-3821536,00.html

BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) - A Jordanian extremist suspected of bloody suicide attacks in Iraq was killed some time ago in U.S. bombings and a letter outlining plans for fomenting sectarian war is a forgery, a leaflet signed by a dozen alleged insurgent groups said. A senior U.S. official denied that claim.

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Now, there is controversy as to whether he is dead or not, but at this point can we safely say that Bush's word is no better than AQ's in terms of who might be telling the truth?

So, it is not really proven that it was Al Zarqawi, and not really proven either that it was not.

Another question: Why is there a difference of story about Berg being in custody of US? Anyone has an explanation for that?

[debsianben]

121. Sawing motion?!?

A type of sawing motion not used in the middle east? You're really stretching here. In a region inhabited by hundreds of millions of people, no one ever uses that sort of "sawing motion"? I'm not buying.

[kentuck]

94. He was killed by the terrorists and chopped up by the CIA

All the little details that people are mentioning, the chairs, the socks, etc are not meaningless.

But when the Americans received the body, he was dead. Knowing that they had lost a large propaganda war with the prison abuse story, and perhaps the war itself, they decided to use the corpse of Mr Berg to sway American public opinion back to their side. It was American ingenuity from the top down. So you think the CIA or Bush people are not capable of such a monstrous deed?

[NoPasaran]

97. Oswald acted alone

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[Moderator]

125. Locking

this is too full of PAs